Were/are there any game developers that don't really like Nintendo?

Luigi_Master

Thanks to Nintendo's contracting system during the NES era, I'm fairly certain some game developers didn't think too highly of Nintendo, despite developing games for their systems.  Were there any such developers that openly admitted to such a thing, and only developed for a paycheck?



Sorta close, but this is more oriented regarding censorship.  LucasGames didn't like their censorship policies when it came to the NES port of Maniac Mansion, to set an example.



I am honestly curious about this subject.  Thanks.

Krunch

The last two entries in this Cracked article will prove you right - if you read the link in the last entry, you get a peek at the reality of working as a game developer...thought it was interesting.



http://www.cracked.com/article_19745_the-5-ballsiest-easter-eggs-hidden-in-video-games_p2.html

Tanooki

I know despite trying to pacify the public outcry, Epic can't stand Nintendo. Each generation they always act positive and say they'll work on the next system because they know the specs or some other line of bs. But when the time comes to it, they never release a thing, and certain employees directly or indirectly via online not via Epic will talk crap. They've had issue with Nintendo's policies and practices and they let their "maturity" get the best of them.



It is a hardly deniable truth that many of the developers from their 8 and 16bit era days at some level can't stand them because of their old monopolistic stranglehold tactics with contracts. Others, more recently, being the immature eye candy kiddies of this era can't stand them for the Wii since it didn't go HD and it used 'waggle' as the mature media/gaming types like to dog them for. It's all spite talk so it's not too hard to follow back along the lines of personal employee or company wide distaste for Nintendo.

cradelit

lol @ the description of new tetris:

"Remember New Coke? Let's make a video game like that."

thesubcon3

Originally posted by: cradelit



lol @ the description of new tetris:

"Remember New Coke? Let's make a video game like that."

Yep I'm laughing at that one too!

Luigi_Master

Krunch: The helicopter one seemed to be a PC game, while the hidden code was more or less the programmers own will, and no real resentment towards Nintendo. However, one programmer in Pachi-Com was complaining about Nintendo dropping decimal support from the 6502, which apparently angered him greatly.

removed04092017

They did it because they had to. The decimal mode is even in the 2A03, they just disabled it to use the 6502 core. He has to get over it. It's not a huge deal anyway.

Luigi_Master

You mean "had". And they did it to cut costs and to make development easier, but would there be any cases where decimal was needed, as using workarounds would be too inefficient?

removed04092017

You're full of it. Die photos of the 2A03 have shown that BCD mode is there, just disabled by I believe holding the CC register bit the disabled value. There was NOTHING done to cut costs at all, it was done to use the 6502 because the BCD mode was the only part of the chip patented.

Krunch

Originally posted by: Luigi_Master



Krunch: The helicopter one seemed to be a PC game, while the hidden code was more or less the programmers own will, and no real resentment towards Nintendo. However, one programmer in Pachi-Com was complaining about Nintendo dropping decimal support from the 6502, which apparently angered him greatly.

Did you read the last link about the hidden code in The New Tetris though? I'd say the programmer's resentment was partially directed at Nintendo.



http://home.comcast.net/~zphreak/Tetris.txt

Luigi_Master

Well, at the rant he mentions that he hates "Nintendo and everything about them", and at the beginning he mentions some guy who was being a jerk so that he could keep his job at Nintendo.

mcat999

I Know that EA was against nintendo back in the NES days.

Luigi_Master

Really? Got any proof? I know they published a few games, and developed 2 I believe; The Immortal and Skate or Die 2 being the developed titles.

Tanooki

I don't think EA was exactly against or for them but they were like 90/10 or better split in favor of Sega over Nintendo when releasing games. Initially they were a computer software developer and copied a few items to the NES the same year they started pumping out in mass a lot of Genesis games. Perhaps it wasn't so much as a Nintendo hatred but wanting to work with better hardware with capabilities closer to what they could do on old PCs at the time on Genesis. Check this to see what I mean. Just run a ctrl+f find on NES (then SNES) and see how many 'Genesis' entries there are.



EA put out stuff like MULE, The Immortal, Skate or Die 2 on NES and then in 91 did Populous and John Madden Football to start with SNES.

8bitSpriteLimit

How come nobody has mentioned Tengen yet? They made games under Nintendo's license only long enough to find a way around the NES10, then they sued each other over it. Then they went back to, at least what I imagine as begrudgingly, making licensed games for Nintendo again.



I'd also mention Camerica but they never pretended to play by their rules to begin with.

mmxforever

Pretty sure this former BioWare guy that has been complaining how he hasn't seen any money for his WiiWare title yet is against them. Granted he couldnt manage to sell the minimum 5k in order to get your money but he is apparently a man that doesn't do things like business research.

RASK1904

Galoob and the Game Genie....

Luigi_Master

There's a difference between unlicensed work, system capability preferences, and outright resenting Nintendo. What I'm focusing is the latter.



By that, I mean developers who felt like they were being shafted by Nintendo one way or another. Tengen only developed games for the NES because it was profitable, and decided to copy the 10NES so that they avoided licensing fees.

Tanooki

That's why I said what I did in my first post. Mark Rein and a few others at Epic have said some pretty immature and childish stuff about Nintendo hardware and the company in the past that make them come off like little whiny thumb suckers to me. I have no idea why they would resent Nintendo, because when people started tiring of their lines of pure garbage and calling them on it they started to back pedal with some meely mouthed garbage pacification line while going back and flinging more bs around that. As it is I have no respect for that company and don't buy anything they put out because of the behavior as I can't support it.