"You pay the paypal fees"
I think it should be against the NA rules to force buyers to pay the paypal fees if they aren't going to gift the payment. I want to say it's against PayPal's rules anyway, but I see countless "if you aren't going to gift me, you pay the fees".
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Originally posted by: dra600n
I think it should be against the NA rules to force buyers to pay the paypal fees if they aren't going to gift the payment. I want to say it's against PayPal's rules anyway, but I see countless "if you aren't going to gift me, you pay the fees".
It's up to the buyer and seller to come to terms they agree on. If the seller insists that the buyer gift it or else pay the fees, then the buyer can accept or deny.
Originally posted by: farmerdwight
Originally posted by: dra600n
I think it should be against the NA rules to force buyers to pay the paypal fees if they aren't going to gift the payment. I want to say it's against PayPal's rules anyway, but I see countless "if you aren't going to gift me, you pay the fees".
It's up to the buyer and seller to come to terms they agree on. If the seller insists that the buyer gift it or else pay the fees, then the buyer can accept or deny.
4.6 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.
Or it's just flat out against PayPal's ToS
Originally posted by: Zing
If that was the rule, what you would likely see happen is people not accepting non-gift payments, period.
Gift payments shouldn't even be allowed unless it's between best buddies or something, in which case paypal fees wouldn't be an issue. If a seller refused to accept a non-gift payment, fine. I doubt they'd be very successful.
Originally posted by: farmerdwight
Originally posted by: dra600n
I think it should be against the NA rules to force buyers to pay the paypal fees if they aren't going to gift the payment. I want to say it's against PayPal's rules anyway, but I see countless "if you aren't going to gift me, you pay the fees".
It's up to the buyer and seller to come to terms they agree on. If the seller insists that the buyer gift it or else pay the fees, then the buyer can accept or deny.
4.6 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.
Or it's just flat out against PayPal's ToS
Great. I wish I'd read this a week ago. I bought a repro for $30, and the seller wanted me to gift him the money, or pay an extra $2 "to cover fees." I didn't reel comfortable doing gift payment, so I just forked over an extra two bucks for an even $32. That said, I'm still happy with my purchase, though I'm currently waiting for him to return feedback.
Maybe NA needs to run a little red warning memo about that on the top of the page. Those usually get people's attention.
Originally posted by: stardust4ever
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: farmerdwight
Originally posted by: dra600n
I think it should be against the NA rules to force buyers to pay the paypal fees if they aren't going to gift the payment. I want to say it's against PayPal's rules anyway, but I see countless "if you aren't going to gift me, you pay the fees".
It's up to the buyer and seller to come to terms they agree on. If the seller insists that the buyer gift it or else pay the fees, then the buyer can accept or deny.
4.6 No Surcharges. You agree that you will not impose a surcharge or any other fee for accepting PayPal as a payment method. You may charge a handling fee in connection with the sale of goods or services, as long as the handling fee does not operate as a surcharge and is not higher than the handling fee you charge for non-PayPal transactions.
Or it's just flat out against PayPal's ToS
Great. I wish I'd read this a week ago. I bought a repro for $30, and the seller wanted me to gift him the money, or pay an extra $2 "to cover fees." I didn't reel comfortable doing gift payment, so I just forked over an extra two bucks for an even $32. That said, I'm still happy with my purchase, though I'm currently waiting for him to return feedback.
Maybe NA needs to run a little red warning memo about that on the top of the page. Those usually get people's attention.
Unless the calc I used is wrong, fees on $30 are only $1.20 lol.
Better that than the near 20% you get hit with on ebay.
Problem solved.
I often pay the fees myself as a buyer just to be nice, but I have not seen it required yet during my small number of transactions.
Originally posted by: JD
As I seller, just figure out what the paypal fees are ahead of time, and include it in the price.
Problem solved.
I often pay the fees myself as a buyer just to be nice, but I have not seen it required yet during my small number of transactions.
I think this sums up the entire problem, well said. The rest is just minutia.
Quit being a cheap fucker and either price accordingly or don't sell. I think if people are going to ask for the buyer to pay the paypal fees, the Dain should ask each seller to give NA 15% of their sales.
The buyer should have more power in this situation. As dra600n said, nowhere else charges buyers for fees. Next time I go into a game store I'll offer to throw in a bit extra to cover some of their business expenses too. Debit and credit costs more to the merchant than cash, but do places penalize you for using debit? 99% of the time, no, and when they do it's usually that you get a discount for paying in cash, not an extra charge for paying with debit.
Originally posted by: technicalfoul
This is a case of where buyers should just refuse to pay fees or gift, EVER. It should be a set price, and if they agree to a gift payment then the price can be dropped a few percent, not the other way around. There is no way that a gift payment should be the default.
The buyer should have more power in this situation. As dra600n said, nowhere else charges buyers for fees. Next time I go into a game store I'll offer to throw in a bit extra to cover some of their business expenses too. Debit and credit costs more to the merchant than cash, but do places penalize you for using debit? 99% of the time, no, and when they do it's usually that you get a discount for paying in cash, not an extra charge for paying with debit.
I do recall one gas station that tried adding on $0.50 to my purchase for using a debit card. When I asked what that was, he told me it was to cover the credit card fees. I told him to cancel my purchase and I'd go elsewhere. The only place I know to have done that, and they ended up getting closed down because someone had filed a complaint to Visa or Mastercard and it violated their agreement, and had to pay some hefty fines. Aside from that, I usually see a "$5 minimum purchase" as well as "cash price/credit card price" for gas (usually about an 8 cent difference).
But you're right. I don't go into Best Buy, figure that I'm going to spend $14.95 + tax on a DVD, then get charged with a $2.75 hidden fee because they want the buyer to pay the paypal fees.
"Send over $XX plus 4% for Paypal fees."
"Eh.. We never talked about that, and aren't the fees only 2.9%?"
"Yeah, but 4% is close enough."
No, fuck you.
and if they want to gift the funds thats fine
but i stay away from gifting and fees
im a seller and i should pay the fees for selling and knowing im safe
When buying, just use common sense. Only gift to people you trust, or if you gift to a stranger, be prepared to lose the money if something goes wrong. Just because someone has 100+ feedback doesn't mean they are completely trustworthy, as we've seen recently. Steer clear of sellers who want you to gift or pay x%, and report sellers who blatantly ask for gift payments to Paypal.
Originally posted by: ThatNintendoGuy
I used gift option recently and I was still charged with the fee on Paypal whats the deal with that.
If you pay with a credit card, you'll be charged a fee even if it is a gift payment.
Originally posted by: Red
Originally posted by: ThatNintendoGuy
I used gift option recently and I was still charged with the fee on Paypal whats the deal with that.
If you pay with a credit card, you'll be charged a fee even if it is a gift payment.
Anything that isn't a bank transfer or paypal balance (ie, credit card or billmelater)
Also, the people that say gift or 4% are a joke when paypal only charges 2.9% I just move on and don't even look at what they are selling if I see that.
i will occasionally add the fees on my own when i pay someone for an item, but i definitely dont deal with people who demand it.