Nick knew the comic would be running before I did, and asked me if I would see to it that his last name was not published. I asked Stan to oblige, and he did. So we published the comic, as all parties involved were aware of it, good or bad. I'm assuming Nick knew it wouldn't be the most flattering of comics coming from Stan, but never did he ask me to not publish it. Had Nick asked me to not publish it, I would've obliged.
For the record, I'm neither condoning nor condemning this comic. Also for the record, I have nothing against Nick, and he knows that. Guys, this comic is *always* controversial. Most of his comics bash NA in an underlying manner, and I still publish them.
^^^^^ My point is, Nick knew about it already and I'm sure he knew what he was in for with Stan's comic. I say that if it was an issue to him he would have told Dain or Stan "I do not want to be featured in your comic, etc." I'm sure this wouldn't have been published without Nick having knowlege of it. I can see how this might be distasteful, but alot of distasteful things are out there, TV, movies, etc. I say everyone can have their own opinions of it but its still has the right to be published under Dain, and Dangevin's consent.
I see your point but you are missing mine. This actually isn't about Nick. This is about a publication put out by a community that I'm part of, bashing one of its own members. Bringing other forms of media into the debate isn't relavent. I cannot control those and they do not represent me or my integrity in any way. Although I don't actively write for the e-zine, I still feel like it represents a website and a community that I'm very very active in. If we as a community are "ok" with one of our own publications bashing one of our own members then ultimately that is not a community I want to be assossiated with.
And yes, they have every right to print it. Just as I have every right to voice my disdain against it.
well, I'm not trying to argue definitions. My understanding of vocabulary and language has never been my strong suit. However you want to define it, belittling one of our own members by using their screen name and their real name in a NA publication just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe if you got his permission first or knew that he was ok with it (which is doubtful) I could see printing this. Speaking for myself, if you or anyone else would want to discuss MY faults or MY mistakes I've made in my past then lets discuss. But I wouldn't want you to broadcast them via e-mail to 1300 members years afterwards. Even in the name of art and satire.
And how is this not an open attack when its titled "This is about Nick"
Bryan, there's a big difference between talking about YOUR faults or YOUR mistakes you've made in the past, as they never affected the collecting community.
I see your point but you are missing mine. This actually isn't about Nick. This is about a publication put out by a community that I'm part of, bashing one of its own members. Bringing other forms of media into the debate isn't relavent. I cannot control those and they do not represent me or my integrity in any way. Although I don't actively write for the e-zine, I still feel like it represents a website and a community that I'm very very active in. If we as a community are "ok" with one of our own publications bashing one of our own members then ultimately that is not a community I want to be assossiated with.
And yes, they have every right to print it. Just as I have every right to voice my disdain against it.
I see your point as well, I cannot argue that it is right to bash other members, all i can say is its likely to happen wether, you or I like it or not. Like anything of satirical nature theres bound to be some disagreements on it. I totally respect your opinion on the issue tho.
Nick knew the comic would be running before I did....
Had Nick asked me to not publish it, I would've obliged.
That pretty much covers it right there, doesn't it?
Thats what I was going to say, too. When I read the comic, I was like "holy shit, this is kind of messed up.... I wonder what Nick thinks about this." Essentially, I'd think you can write (in the e-zine) anything you want about somebody, as long as that somebody is aware of it. Anybody can make fun of me if they want to... just let me know up front.
Stan is notorious for raising a ruckus, and by now most of us realize that nothing is off limits to him (including me, NA, etc). That's his style, love it or hate it, accept it or not. By saying that this comic represents the views of NA is simply absurd and narrow-minded. Do all of the controversial views from commentators represent the views of major networks on TV? Hardly. Grow thicker skin, guys.
Considering I didn't even read the comic until after the e-zine was released, and also considering our typical schedule involves me getting the e-zine at 11 pm the night of release, I wasn't even aware of the exact content of the comic. It's not an excuse, just a fact, and I really don't feel I should have to defend freedom of speech.
If you're that bent out of shape over a comic that came from none other than "controversial" Stan to leave NA, then I'd say leave. I'm not going to kiss your ass and tell you that NA is some fairy tale place that won't at time have some controversy.
I am sure people do not know who I am, except for peole I have dealt with on the site. I am six days from being a one year member on the site, so I feel like I can share my opinion. I can tell you a few things. I met Nick in person, and have made several deals with him on this site. I think he is a GREAT person, and he helped me to bolster my NES collection, while giving me an added push to collect NES games. I only know what Nick did in the past by reading it on the forums here. What he did in the past, is in the "past". I only know Nick as a cool guy who has helped me. I have also dealt with Bryan and respect him and his opinions too! I am a public school teacher, and I used to run the school newspaper. It was a difficult job because we would run some articles that would upset some faculty members or administrators. We ALWAYS asked the person permission if we could run an article about them or use their words in an article. If they said yes, and the principal said yes...then it was a go. Nick was asked up front about an article/comic and he said yes, but he said don't publish his last name---and that was honored. The editors decided to run the comic...that should be it right there. I am not saying that the comic was not hurtful or in bad taste, but it does fall under the category of "satire"...Political cartoons are also under the catregory of "satire"...therefore, it can push the limits more so then a news article---unless it is an editorial piece of course. I ened up quitting as advisor of the school paper because I was tired of all the nasty e-mails and comments about the newspaper that took me and my students so long to produce. I even got a death threat once, no joke! And we took all necessary precautions before each paper was produced. The bottom line is that you can never please everyone. My opinion is that the editors as long as they ask someone permission , have the creative right to publish an article. People who do not like it, do not have to read it. It is when satire crosses the line and becomes slanderous that I do not agree with. It is a funny and thin line---but, I commend the editors and administrative staff for their efforts and allowing an e-zine to be published!
My main problem is that moderators here are so quick to be immediately lock a thread if there is any form of name calling or personal attacks whatsoever, stating "deal with it via PMs", then the eZine editors publish an obvious personal attack and have it mass emailed to the 1300+ members of the site. I could go on and on about all the good that I've done for the NintendoAGE community, but it isn't about defending myself at this point. This is about Dain and the moderators of NA allowing such attacks to continue. I would be making the same exact post right now if this was happening to any member whatsoever, no matter what their past, even if I didn't like the member.
Nick knew the comic would be running before I did, and asked me if I would see to it that his last name was not published. I asked Stan to oblige, and he did. So we published the comic, as all parties involved were aware of it, good or bad. I'm assuming Nick knew it wouldn't be the most flattering of comics coming from Stan, but never did he ask me to not publish it. Had Nick asked me to not publish it, I would've obliged.
I emailed you a month ago and asked that you make sure that my REAL NAME or SCREEN NAME not be mentioned in the next comic and you said ok. It wasn't just my last name. So why is my name in it?
Stan is notorious for raising a ruckus, and by now most of us realize that nothing is off limits to him (including me, NA, etc). That's his style, love it or hate it, accept it or not. By saying that this comic represents the views of NA is simply absurd and narrow-minded. Do all of the controversial views from commentators represent the views of major networks on TV? Hardly. Grow thicker skin, guys.
Considering I didn't even read the comic until after the e-zine was released, and also considering our typical schedule involves me getting the e-zine at 11 pm the night of release, I wasn't even aware of the exact content of the comic. It's not an excuse, just a fact, and I really don't feel I should have to defend freedom of speech.
If you're that bent out of shape over a comic that came from none other than "controversial" Stan to leave NA, then I'd say leave. I'm not going to kiss your ass and tell you that NA is some fairy tale place that won't at time have some controversy.
Very dissapointing Dain. So I should leave NA? I think enough solid members have already left and been replaced by board spammers, but that is another story.
I for one am not dumb enough to blame you for what Stan wrote, however, given the occasional censorship of peoples thoughts around here you would think that same haste would have been used in the instance of this comic.
NGD and I were just discussing locking this thread to avoid anymore "damage". I am totally against that. It seems to be the position of NA to pick and choose when it is acceptable to say something unacceptable. What gives?
well, I'm not trying to argue definitions. My understanding of vocabulary and language has never been my strong suit. However you want to define it, belittling one of our own members by using their screen name and their real name in a NA publication just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe if you got his permission first or knew that he was ok with it (which is doubtful) I could see printing this. Speaking for myself, if you or anyone else would want to discuss MY faults or MY mistakes I've made in my past then lets discuss. But I wouldn't want you to broadcast them via e-mail to 1300 members years afterwards. Even in the name of art and satire.
And how is this not an open attack when its titled "This is about Nick"
Bryan, there's a big difference between talking about YOUR faults or YOUR mistakes you've made in the past, as they never affected the collecting community.
Again, thats not the point. What he did, or who he is, is irrelevant here. If he is part of this community he shouldn't be subject to public bashing in the community's newsletter/paper nor should anyone else.
Would it be possible for you to restrict my real name or username from being mentioned in the next NintendoAGE Faegly comic?
Original PM by: Dain
Yeah, I'll talk to Stan. Sorry man, I don't really keep close enough tabs on the ezine apparently.
So basically Dain you agreed that you would ensure that my REAL NAME and SCREEN NAME not be published. This was not just my last name. I knew I couldn't stop the comic because Stan will do what he wants but you agreed to make sure that my name not be mentioned in any way.
NintendoAGE was 10 times stronger than it is now when it had 1/10 the members. It has lost a lot of valuable members since NintendoAGE started due to the "politics" that go on behind the scenes and I think it is about to lose a few more valuable members.
well, I'm not trying to argue definitions. My understanding of vocabulary and language has never been my strong suit. However you want to define it, belittling one of our own members by using their screen name and their real name in a NA publication just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe if you got his permission first or knew that he was ok with it (which is doubtful) I could see printing this. Speaking for myself, if you or anyone else would want to discuss MY faults or MY mistakes I've made in my past then lets discuss. But I wouldn't want you to broadcast them via e-mail to 1300 members years afterwards. Even in the name of art and satire.
And how is this not an open attack when its titled "This is about Nick"
Bryan, there's a big difference between talking about YOUR faults or YOUR mistakes you've made in the past, as they never affected the collecting community.
Again, thats not the point. What he did, or who he is, is irrelevant here. If he is part of this community he shouldn't be subject to public bashing in the community's newsletter/paper nor should anyone else.
I think this thing has spiraled so far out of control that you are forgetting what the original comic was. Nick wasn't bashed. The community was bashed. Nick was just used to illustrate this point.
Nick knew the comic would be running before I did....
Had Nick asked me to not publish it, I would've obliged.
That pretty much covers it right there, doesn't it?
Should I really have to ask "please don't crap on me to the whole community"?? I think somethings should be taken for granted.
I figure when you've cheated the community more than once you're pretty much going to be open to that kind of scorn. If you've crapped on the entire community, why shouldn't it get to return the favor? (and on a personal note, I have had zero dealings with Nick and for all I know he's turned into the kind of person Mother Theresa would be jealous of, but I know I'm a bit wary of him because his past is very public and it's shady as hell).
I can't imagine why you'd stay around a community after you got caught screwing them by resealing games and selling them as new anyway.
I'm a bit of an outsider, but IMHO, the comic is :
(a)- unfunny
(b)- in poor taste
(c)- terribly drawn
(d)- not up to the standards of the rest of the 'Zine
(e)- is so obscure in references, that unless you know the background of what the sam hill is going on (I still don't, after reading the comic and two threads related to the comic), it makes no sense, and probably works towards the alienation of newcomers
That said, it's not my 'Zine, and it's a free country.
I'm a bit of an outsider, but IMHO, the comic is :
(a)- unfunny (b)- in poor taste (c)- terribly drawn (d)- not up to the standards of the rest of the 'Zine (e)- is so obscure in references, that unless you know the background of what the sam hill is going on (I still don't, after reading the comic and two threads related to the comic), it makes no sense, and probably works towards the alienation of newcomers
That said, it's not my 'Zine, and it's a free country.
well said. I've never piped up about it before because it would have been in bad taste (oh, the irony!) but clearly personal attacks are unwarranted - I agree 100% with justabum's views on this.
The e-zine is an NA publication. It represents NA whether or not the editors realize it.
Since we're talking about the comic let me just say that I never read it. For the reasons thor stated I skip right over it. I frankly find it painful to read and this is from someone who loves comics and collected them since age 11.
Now yes its just a comic but I wouldn't have been thrilled if it was my name not nick's; I don't think there's a place for name calling in the zine.
More importantly, since we're being honest I just don't think its very good and IMO it drags the zine down.
well, there wasn't really any name calling in the comic, just subtle suggestion that only a few members would recognize. I do think you have to read it before you can argue against it but i do agree that since Nick didn't want his name in any part of it it shouldn't have been published.
Hahahaha hahahha. Wow, seriously guys. Some issues:
1. I was told not to use his LAST NAME. That's all that was said to me, so it was obviously a mistake on Dain's part. I'm not calling him an idiot, it may have been late and he just forgot. If I had been told not to use his first name or forum name (part of it anyway), I wouldn't have.
2. Nick is being used not to bash him personally, otherwise I probably would have found a picture of him. He's being used as a symbol. Dan caught it earlier on in the thread. The point is that, in spite of the fact that this type of collector (portrayed as an obese, pus-ridden, flab fatty with tiny hands) is often around in the scene, people still deal with them and our willing to pull themselves apart, yell and scream, cry and so forth but then still buy something in the end. That's the point of it. There is a third part in the works that reveals the symbolism I'm talking about and actually turns out nice for Nick. I'm not kidding. You'll understand when you see it and it's a nice little thing for him too, not kidding at all. You have to wait though.
3. I'm not sure about bashing NA, however. All of the jokes just bash things I think are stupid. Thus far it's been: how much people pay for SE (which is just a lame variant), screw variant collecting, how much people pay for Myriad (which is another lame variant), the VGA, collectors who care more about 'collecting' than history/programming/playing/etc., collectors who rip people off and this time collectors who get upset when they get ripped off but will buy something from someone as long as it is something they want. I don't bash NA ANYWHERE in there and I wouldn't. I know how close to get to biting the hand, and I've never made fun of NA. The closest I really came was the shirt design, but that's just in fun jest, it's hardly anything at all. But I never bashed NA.
4. It's a comic.
5. My art is awesome.
6. My humor is beyond non-sequitor awesomeness ahoy.
7. I will draw Thor's cat in the future.
The one question I did want answered is what you guys think of all the light purple background I added? I was going to keep those parts white but went with a bit of a background to see what you thought.
well, there wasn't really any name calling in the comic, just subtle suggestion that only a few members would recognize. I do think you have to read it before you can argue against it but i do agree that since Nick didn't want his name in any part of it it shouldn't have been published.
Gimmick, nobody should have to go out of their way to request that their name not be used in a defamatory manor and then published in the eZine for 1300+ people to see. That's common sense. This was a personal attack by Stan which was published by the eZine staff, which shows that the eZine staff condones this type of behavior. It really shows a lot about the way the NA community is heading. You weren't here when NintendoAGE started but this place is really going down the shitter as it grows. NintendoAGE was 10 times better when it had 1/10th the members. Everybody used to contribute and help each other out but that doesn't happen anymore. At this point I'm bitter because even after all I've been through and done to regain my reputation, something like this occurs. But even if this was any other member, it would still be in very bad taste and say a lot about the direction this community is heading.
Read my response. By the way, after we learn the secret of Nick in the final installament, you realize I saved all this and several of you have given me fodder for the future.
I'm a bit of an outsider, but IMHO, the comic is :
(a)- unfunny
(b)- in poor taste
(c)- terribly drawn
(d)- not up to the standards of the rest of the 'Zine
(e)- is so obscure in references, that unless you know the background of what the sam hill is going on (I still don't, after reading the comic and two threads related to the comic), it makes no sense, and probably works towards the alienation of newcomers
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Nick knew the comic would be running before I did, and asked me if I would see to it that his last name was not published. I asked Stan to oblige, and he did. So we published the comic, as all parties involved were aware of it, good or bad. I'm assuming Nick knew it wouldn't be the most flattering of comics coming from Stan, but never did he ask me to not publish it. Had Nick asked me to not publish it, I would've obliged.
For the record, I'm neither condoning nor condemning this comic. Also for the record, I have nothing against Nick, and he knows that. Guys, this comic is *always* controversial. Most of his comics bash NA in an underlying manner, and I still publish them.
^^^^^ My point is, Nick knew about it already and I'm sure he knew what he was in for with Stan's comic. I say that if it was an issue to him he would have told Dain or Stan "I do not want to be featured in your comic, etc." I'm sure this wouldn't have been published without Nick having knowlege of it. I can see how this might be distasteful, but alot of distasteful things are out there, TV, movies, etc. I say everyone can have their own opinions of it but its still has the right to be published under Dain, and Dangevin's consent.
I see your point but you are missing mine. This actually isn't about Nick. This is about a publication put out by a community that I'm part of, bashing one of its own members. Bringing other forms of media into the debate isn't relavent. I cannot control those and they do not represent me or my integrity in any way. Although I don't actively write for the e-zine, I still feel like it represents a website and a community that I'm very very active in. If we as a community are "ok" with one of our own publications bashing one of our own members then ultimately that is not a community I want to be assossiated with.
And yes, they have every right to print it. Just as I have every right to voice my disdain against it.
well, I'm not trying to argue definitions. My understanding of vocabulary and language has never been my strong suit. However you want to define it, belittling one of our own members by using their screen name and their real name in a NA publication just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe if you got his permission first or knew that he was ok with it (which is doubtful) I could see printing this. Speaking for myself, if you or anyone else would want to discuss MY faults or MY mistakes I've made in my past then lets discuss. But I wouldn't want you to broadcast them via e-mail to 1300 members years afterwards. Even in the name of art and satire.
And how is this not an open attack when its titled "This is about Nick"
Bryan, there's a big difference between talking about YOUR faults or YOUR mistakes you've made in the past, as they never affected the collecting community.
I see your point but you are missing mine. This actually isn't about Nick. This is about a publication put out by a community that I'm part of, bashing one of its own members. Bringing other forms of media into the debate isn't relavent. I cannot control those and they do not represent me or my integrity in any way. Although I don't actively write for the e-zine, I still feel like it represents a website and a community that I'm very very active in. If we as a community are "ok" with one of our own publications bashing one of our own members then ultimately that is not a community I want to be assossiated with.
And yes, they have every right to print it. Just as I have every right to voice my disdain against it.
Originally posted by: Dain
Nick knew the comic would be running before I did....
Had Nick asked me to not publish it, I would've obliged.
That pretty much covers it right there, doesn't it?
Originally posted by: Dain
Nick knew the comic would be running before I did....
Had Nick asked me to not publish it, I would've obliged.
That pretty much covers it right there, doesn't it?
Thats what I was going to say, too.
When I read the comic, I was like "holy shit, this is kind of messed up.... I wonder what Nick thinks about this."
Essentially, I'd think you can write (in the e-zine) anything you want about somebody, as long as that somebody is aware of it.
Anybody can make fun of me if they want to... just let me know up front.
Originally posted by: Dain
Nick knew the comic would be running before I did....
Had Nick asked me to not publish it, I would've obliged.
That pretty much covers it right there, doesn't it?
Should I really have to ask "please don't crap on me to the whole community"?? I think somethings should be taken for granted.
It is my opinion that this "comic" should have never been published.
Stan is notorious for raising a ruckus, and by now most of us realize that nothing is off limits to him (including me, NA, etc). That's his style, love it or hate it, accept it or not. By saying that this comic represents the views of NA is simply absurd and narrow-minded. Do all of the controversial views from commentators represent the views of major networks on TV? Hardly. Grow thicker skin, guys.
Considering I didn't even read the comic until after the e-zine was released, and also considering our typical schedule involves me getting the e-zine at 11 pm the night of release, I wasn't even aware of the exact content of the comic. It's not an excuse, just a fact, and I really don't feel I should have to defend freedom of speech.
If you're that bent out of shape over a comic that came from none other than "controversial" Stan to leave NA, then I'd say leave. I'm not going to kiss your ass and tell you that NA is some fairy tale place that won't at time have some controversy.
Hello NintendoAGERS,
I am sure people do not know who I am, except for peole I have dealt with on the site. I am six days from being a one year member on the site, so I feel like I can share my opinion. I can tell you a few things. I met Nick in person, and have made several deals with him on this site. I think he is a GREAT person, and he helped me to bolster my NES collection, while giving me an added push to collect NES games. I only know what Nick did in the past by reading it on the forums here. What he did in the past, is in the "past". I only know Nick as a cool guy who has helped me. I have also dealt with Bryan and respect him and his opinions too! I am a public school teacher, and I used to run the school newspaper. It was a difficult job because we would run some articles that would upset some faculty members or administrators. We ALWAYS asked the person permission if we could run an article about them or use their words in an article. If they said yes, and the principal said yes...then it was a go. Nick was asked up front about an article/comic and he said yes, but he said don't publish his last name---and that was honored. The editors decided to run the comic...that should be it right there. I am not saying that the comic was not hurtful or in bad taste, but it does fall under the category of "satire"...Political cartoons are also under the catregory of "satire"...therefore, it can push the limits more so then a news article---unless it is an editorial piece of course. I ened up quitting as advisor of the school paper because I was tired of all the nasty e-mails and comments about the newspaper that took me and my students so long to produce. I even got a death threat once, no joke! And we took all necessary precautions before each paper was produced. The bottom line is that you can never please everyone. My opinion is that the editors as long as they ask someone permission , have the creative right to publish an article. People who do not like it, do not have to read it. It is when satire crosses the line and becomes slanderous that I do not agree with. It is a funny and thin line---but, I commend the editors and administrative staff for their efforts and allowing an e-zine to be published!
Dan (wolfsaq)
Nick knew the comic would be running before I did, and asked me if I would see to it that his last name was not published. I asked Stan to oblige, and he did. So we published the comic, as all parties involved were aware of it, good or bad. I'm assuming Nick knew it wouldn't be the most flattering of comics coming from Stan, but never did he ask me to not publish it. Had Nick asked me to not publish it, I would've obliged.
I emailed you a month ago and asked that you make sure that my REAL NAME or SCREEN NAME not be mentioned in the next comic and you said ok. It wasn't just my last name. So why is my name in it?
I invite you to walk a day in my shoes.
Stan is notorious for raising a ruckus, and by now most of us realize that nothing is off limits to him (including me, NA, etc). That's his style, love it or hate it, accept it or not. By saying that this comic represents the views of NA is simply absurd and narrow-minded. Do all of the controversial views from commentators represent the views of major networks on TV? Hardly. Grow thicker skin, guys.
Considering I didn't even read the comic until after the e-zine was released, and also considering our typical schedule involves me getting the e-zine at 11 pm the night of release, I wasn't even aware of the exact content of the comic. It's not an excuse, just a fact, and I really don't feel I should have to defend freedom of speech.
If you're that bent out of shape over a comic that came from none other than "controversial" Stan to leave NA, then I'd say leave. I'm not going to kiss your ass and tell you that NA is some fairy tale place that won't at time have some controversy.
Very dissapointing Dain. So I should leave NA? I think enough solid members have already left and been replaced by board spammers, but that is another story.
I for one am not dumb enough to blame you for what Stan wrote, however, given the occasional censorship of peoples thoughts around here you would think that same haste would have been used in the instance of this comic.
NGD and I were just discussing locking this thread to avoid anymore "damage". I am totally against that. It seems to be the position of NA to pick and choose when it is acceptable to say something unacceptable. What gives?
I imagine him up in his studio apartment laughing his ass off.
well, I'm not trying to argue definitions. My understanding of vocabulary and language has never been my strong suit. However you want to define it, belittling one of our own members by using their screen name and their real name in a NA publication just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe if you got his permission first or knew that he was ok with it (which is doubtful) I could see printing this. Speaking for myself, if you or anyone else would want to discuss MY faults or MY mistakes I've made in my past then lets discuss. But I wouldn't want you to broadcast them via e-mail to 1300 members years afterwards. Even in the name of art and satire.
And how is this not an open attack when its titled "This is about Nick"
Bryan, there's a big difference between talking about YOUR faults or YOUR mistakes you've made in the past, as they never affected the collecting community.
Again, thats not the point. What he did, or who he is, is irrelevant here. If he is part of this community he shouldn't be subject to public bashing in the community's newsletter/paper nor should anyone else.
Would it be possible for you to restrict my real name or username from being mentioned in the next NintendoAGE Faegly comic?
Yeah, I'll talk to Stan. Sorry man, I don't really keep close enough tabs on the ezine apparently.
So basically Dain you agreed that you would ensure that my REAL NAME and SCREEN NAME not be published. This was not just my last name. I knew I couldn't stop the comic because Stan will do what he wants but you agreed to make sure that my name not be mentioned in any way.
NintendoAGE was 10 times stronger than it is now when it had 1/10 the members. It has lost a lot of valuable members since NintendoAGE started due to the "politics" that go on behind the scenes and I think it is about to lose a few more valuable members.
well, I'm not trying to argue definitions. My understanding of vocabulary and language has never been my strong suit. However you want to define it, belittling one of our own members by using their screen name and their real name in a NA publication just doesn't sit well with me. Maybe if you got his permission first or knew that he was ok with it (which is doubtful) I could see printing this. Speaking for myself, if you or anyone else would want to discuss MY faults or MY mistakes I've made in my past then lets discuss. But I wouldn't want you to broadcast them via e-mail to 1300 members years afterwards. Even in the name of art and satire.
And how is this not an open attack when its titled "This is about Nick"
Bryan, there's a big difference between talking about YOUR faults or YOUR mistakes you've made in the past, as they never affected the collecting community.
Again, thats not the point. What he did, or who he is, is irrelevant here. If he is part of this community he shouldn't be subject to public bashing in the community's newsletter/paper nor should anyone else.
I think this thing has spiraled so far out of control that you are forgetting what the original comic was. Nick wasn't bashed. The community was bashed. Nick was just used to illustrate this point.
Originally posted by: Dain
Nick knew the comic would be running before I did....
Had Nick asked me to not publish it, I would've obliged.
That pretty much covers it right there, doesn't it?
Should I really have to ask "please don't crap on me to the whole community"?? I think somethings should be taken for granted.
I figure when you've cheated the community more than once you're pretty much going to be open to that kind of scorn. If you've crapped on the entire community, why shouldn't it get to return the favor? (and on a personal note, I have had zero dealings with Nick and for all I know he's turned into the kind of person Mother Theresa would be jealous of, but I know I'm a bit wary of him because his past is very public and it's shady as hell).
I can't imagine why you'd stay around a community after you got caught screwing them by resealing games and selling them as new anyway.
(a)- unfunny
(b)- in poor taste
(c)- terribly drawn
(d)- not up to the standards of the rest of the 'Zine
(e)- is so obscure in references, that unless you know the background of what the sam hill is going on (I still don't, after reading the comic and two threads related to the comic), it makes no sense, and probably works towards the alienation of newcomers
That said, it's not my 'Zine, and it's a free country.
Didn't realize Nick didn't want his name mentioned, completely diff story then.
I'm a bit of an outsider, but IMHO, the comic is :
(a)- unfunny
(b)- in poor taste
(c)- terribly drawn
(d)- not up to the standards of the rest of the 'Zine
(e)- is so obscure in references, that unless you know the background of what the sam hill is going on (I still don't, after reading the comic and two threads related to the comic), it makes no sense, and probably works towards the alienation of newcomers
That said, it's not my 'Zine, and it's a free country.
well said. I've never piped up about it before because it would have been in bad taste (oh, the irony!) but clearly personal attacks are unwarranted - I agree 100% with justabum's views on this.
The e-zine is an NA publication. It represents NA whether or not the editors realize it.
Now yes its just a comic but I wouldn't have been thrilled if it was my name not nick's; I don't think there's a place for name calling in the zine.
More importantly, since we're being honest I just don't think its very good and IMO it drags the zine down.
Hahahaha hahahha. Wow, seriously guys. Some issues:
1. I was told not to use his LAST NAME. That's all that was said to me, so it was obviously a mistake on Dain's part. I'm not calling him an idiot, it may have been late and he just forgot. If I had been told not to use his first name or forum name (part of it anyway), I wouldn't have.
2. Nick is being used not to bash him personally, otherwise I probably would have found a picture of him. He's being used as a symbol. Dan caught it earlier on in the thread. The point is that, in spite of the fact that this type of collector (portrayed as an obese, pus-ridden, flab fatty with tiny hands) is often around in the scene, people still deal with them and our willing to pull themselves apart, yell and scream, cry and so forth but then still buy something in the end. That's the point of it. There is a third part in the works that reveals the symbolism I'm talking about and actually turns out nice for Nick. I'm not kidding. You'll understand when you see it and it's a nice little thing for him too, not kidding at all. You have to wait though.
3. I'm not sure about bashing NA, however. All of the jokes just bash things I think are stupid. Thus far it's been: how much people pay for SE (which is just a lame variant), screw variant collecting, how much people pay for Myriad (which is another lame variant), the VGA, collectors who care more about 'collecting' than history/programming/playing/etc., collectors who rip people off and this time collectors who get upset when they get ripped off but will buy something from someone as long as it is something they want. I don't bash NA ANYWHERE in there and I wouldn't. I know how close to get to biting the hand, and I've never made fun of NA. The closest I really came was the shirt design, but that's just in fun jest, it's hardly anything at all. But I never bashed NA.
4. It's a comic.
5. My art is awesome.
6. My humor is beyond non-sequitor awesomeness ahoy.
7. I will draw Thor's cat in the future.
The one question I did want answered is what you guys think of all the light purple background I added? I was going to keep those parts white but went with a bit of a background to see what you thought.
well, there wasn't really any name calling in the comic, just subtle suggestion that only a few members would recognize. I do think you have to read it before you can argue against it but i do agree that since Nick didn't want his name in any part of it it shouldn't have been published.
Gimmick, nobody should have to go out of their way to request that their name not be used in a defamatory manor and then published in the eZine for 1300+ people to see. That's common sense. This was a personal attack by Stan which was published by the eZine staff, which shows that the eZine staff condones this type of behavior. It really shows a lot about the way the NA community is heading. You weren't here when NintendoAGE started but this place is really going down the shitter as it grows. NintendoAGE was 10 times better when it had 1/10th the members. Everybody used to contribute and help each other out but that doesn't happen anymore. At this point I'm bitter because even after all I've been through and done to regain my reputation, something like this occurs. But even if this was any other member, it would still be in very bad taste and say a lot about the direction this community is heading.
I'm a bit of an outsider, but IMHO, the comic is :
(a)- unfunny
(b)- in poor taste
(c)- terribly drawn
(d)- not up to the standards of the rest of the 'Zine
(e)- is so obscure in references, that unless you know the background of what the sam hill is going on (I still don't, after reading the comic and two threads related to the comic), it makes no sense, and probably works towards the alienation of newcomers
I agree with everything said here!