conditions

So how do you guys determine condition of stuff? I want to start going through all my SMS games and marking condition of things and adding some notes but not sure how to go about it.



I assume giving a 10 to something means it would like right out of the box and sealed so if things look damn near new, do you jst give 9s? 



People that have done this have any pointers?

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  • The only times I systematically take note of condition are (a) when I'm selling or buying something (in which case I usually just use pictures), (b) when I have two copies of something and am trying to figure out which one to keep, or (c) when I'm leaving feedback (even positive feedback: if something's uncommonly clean, I want to acknowledge that & thank the seller).



    Otherwise, quantifying the difference between 8/10 and 9/10, or VG+ and EX-, gets too angels-dancing-on-the-head-of-a-pin for me. I'm mainly a gamer, so for me, collecting is a product of that and mostly not an end in itself. (But I can still appreciate a mint-condition game, of course!)



    ETA: Sorry, I just realized this post isn't especially helpful. :/ But I honestly would struggle to represent the condition of a multi-part object in quantitative terms.
  • I just always go w 9. 10/10 is too much bc there's someone who will find something wrong w it somewhere
  • Like here is an example.



    I have a copy of columns for the SMS and it is mint all around EXCEPT, the label art as a tiny tear in the middle of the top part of the spine, I mean like maybe 3mm in length. I have it an 8. I just trying to keep track of what I have so I know what I want to look for in terms of trying have my games be as good as possible. something like my example I wouldn't worry about but things I accept as like 4 or 5s, I'd look for better versions.



    Again, I was just trying to get ideas how other represent conditions.
  • Grading all your games is like those horrible mother's who force their young daughters to enter beauty contests. They often don't live up to expectation and it's an endless pursuit of unnecessary perfection. I have never seen a guide or regulatory template so not sure how you'd go about it. Surely someone's created a how to do this somewhere out there?
  • I don't think it is like that at all...

  • Originally posted by: bigbacon



    I don't think it is like that at all...

    I should quit being silly on here because a lot of people don't get my humor.
  • humor or not, I understand where you were going with it I'm just saying when I'm trying to do isn't a psychotic dance mom sort of thing.
  • The four levels of dballin's game condition rating



    looks pretty damn good

    a little beat up

    pretty beat up

    totally trashed



    I don't really care about condition though. I'm not trying to up my 8.5s to 9s. I consider my SMRPG to be totally trashed, but I think I got it for $25 CIB and I'm not really looking to replace it. ¯\(°_o)/¯
  • First, I will preface this by saying that I do not grade my games- it's really too subjective. I only grade things that I sell and that only in terms of Excellent, Very Good, Good, Acceptable, and Poor. That said, for Sega and SMS games, I would expect the following from a 10/10 game:

    • Case is undamaged in any way - no tears, marks, or waviness to the plastic. No external stickers. All internal structure (manual tabs, cart tabs, closure tabs) is intact and clean. Must have the hangtab naturally. For cardboard cases, no damage of any kind to the outer box. No dampness that caused the cardboard to soften. Of note, some of the cardboard cases didn't even come this way sealed.

    • Case art is undamaged (no rips, punctures, tears, or earmarking top and bottom where they sometimes stick out from the plastic). No stains, sun-fading, waviness, or stickers.

    • Cart is similarly undamaged. Must be free of glue plaque. Label must be stuck down firmly.

    • Manual must be clean, flat, and undamaged, with no writing or stickers anywhere. Corners and edges must be unmarked - no folded corners or rough edges. Staples must not be rusted. Manual must not be discolored (often happens with SMS manuals) or faded.
    Based on the above criteria, I do have some 10/10 games. Not many, but a few. I would say more than 3/4 of my games are 8 or 9/10 - something minor is wrong with them (missing hangtab, top or bottom edge of the case art is rough from hanging outside the plastic, manual has a creased corner or is bent from storage, or the cart has some marks of use).



    Of the rest, I would say most are 6 - 7/10 (multiple small issues, sun-faded or torn case art, glue plaque on the cart, manual has creases or significant folds. And I have a dozen or so that are 4 - 5/10, with stickers on the cart or manual, torn labels from stickers being removed, major sub-fading or tears in the case art, etc. I have those noted in my list so I can replace them when feasible.



    Regarding grading, for every bit of damage you find, knock off a point. Within reason of course. A big honking Blockbuster sticker on the cart would immediately drop the condition to something like a 5 even if everything else were perfect (and would probably be a good reason to replace the cart).
  • I like the dballin scale. I think we should use that as the official scale of game grading on Sega Age.
  • thanks maelwys, thats what i'm trying to do. Note the condition of what I have so in the future I can continue to look for better versions of what is bad. Having it saved in my list allows me to just look and not have to remember every one.



    Honestly, if it was any other system, I wouldn't care in the least but for how easy most SMS games are to get CIB, I can take the time over the long run to get nice version, though not everything I have is good all around. Something like NES/SNES, I would never even try. If I could get the cart and it works, then I'm happy.
  • I'm glad you enjoy my scale. Don't get me wrong though, if I get a game in a lot that i already have, I totally keep the nicer one. I just don't go out of my way to upgrade if that makes any sense.
  • I'll only go out of the way once I have a whole set but I've been upgrading some as I go a long because either I get it in a lot, i get a very good deal, or it was something I was missing an item from. Like a manual. its very hard to just find the manual so I end up getting a another CIB copy and sort of combine the two or find one that is better and sell the CB version.
  • though I will admit to buying cheap copies of certain games just to get the cases...F-16 Mainly. Sega Card cases with tabs are hard to find and sadly I've exhausted all the cheap copies of F16 I can find...even ebay I'm look at lose to $10 bucks (including shipping)
  • i do something very similar to dballin, except i think i have a 5th grade. 



    condition is pretty big to me.  i would glady over pay 3 times for something to get a condition i like.  i've gone through a single game 4 times and will have to get at least a 5th to get a condition that satisfies me.  



    i can't imagine what people who do VGA go through.


  • Everyone has their on opinions but in my eyes 10 being the highest is like right out of the orginal factory plastic looking cherry. 9 being damn near close to that, minty fresh. 8 looks like it was bought but maybe played once or twice, looking green. 7 Still fresh but a bit on the secondhand side. 6 is looking like it was well played but has has missed a few oil changes. 5 looks like it been through the ringer with a 5 o'clock shadow. 4 someone didn't give two shits. 3 it's seen better days. 2 rode hard and put up wet. 1 one step away from the trashcan.
  • I seriously hate the term "minty". It just sounds dumb to me.



    For me, a 10 is "no noticeable flaws". If I need a microscope to see a scratch, it doesn't exist to me.



    5 is average. Anywhere from 5-9 is still good but has at least one flaw like label is slightly faded in one spot (what I would consider a 9), or a crease or some kind. An 8 could be slightly worn label. A spot missing would be like a 5 or 6 if it's big enough, or an 8 if it's very small. For manuals if there is rust damage on the staples that has affected the book, it usually drops it down to an 8 or so for me. My copy of Vampire: Master of Darkness has noticeable crushing on one side, and the manual has a huge diagonal bend. Cart itself had a sticker on it but I was able to remove it. I consider it a 5 (average) altogether.



    Maybe it's just Game Gear carts but it seems like they come off the assembly line with scratches already on them. Every single sealed GG game I opened had scratches on it like somebody tested the game before they sealed it up at the factory. Because of this I don't consider any small scratches near the bottom to work against the condition. Literally every game I own for the system has some kind of mark like this.



    1-4 means severely flawed. Several flaws that are just unacceptable. Writing that cannot be removed, rips, tears, warping, sogginess, sun damage or severe oxidization all fall into this realm. For example, my worst condition game is easily Shining Force the Sword of Hajya, It has the following signs: warping of the manual and box, severe rust damage on the staples for the manual, name written in permanent ink on the side of the box, top flap is curling, front of the box has rips, odd odour (luckily I was able to remove that with a very thorough treatment using some dryer sheets). I give this game a 2.



    0 is reserved for something that is outright damaged-- boxes with the UPC codes cut out (who keeps doing this?!), carts with the labels almost entirely or completely removed and whatnot.
  • 0-1 Nearly Destroyed, non-working, no labels, covered in marker ink

    2-3 50% chance non-working, very heavily scratched, possibly no labels, heavy marker ink

    4-5 Working, but heavily scratched, faded labels, some marker ink

    6-7 Light scratches, readable labels, light marker ink

    8-9 No Marks or scratches, labels are intact and no marker ink

    10 Mint condition like brand new.



    that is my personal rating system. All of my Cosoles and games are above a 6
  • This is approximately what I use for every item in my collection (every piece of media/manual/box/hardware). There are times when ratings bleed over depending on scope of damage, but this is pretty much my basic guideline. I actually plan to build an online damage assessment tool where someone can list what type of damage is found where on their item, then give them a rating. It's in the works. It was originally intended for my collection site, but that might never happen.



    Mint - Only used for brand new items (once it's open, it's no longer mint)

    Near Mint - Flawless but not new

    Very Excellent - One or two minor scuffs or marks barely discernable without close examination

    Exellent - Minor scuffing or a single minor tear or label peeling

    Very Good - Moderate scuffing or a few minor tears/label peeling/moisture damage

    Good - Major scuffing or a few moderate scratches/tears/peeling/moderate moisture damage

    Fair - Major scratchs/peeling/tears/moisture damage

    Poor - Severe scratchs/peeling/tears/moisture damage



    For me, anything EX and up is collection worthy, but anything VG and below must be replaced.

  • Originally posted by: bigbacon



    though I will admit to buying cheap copies of certain games just to get the cases...F-16 Mainly. Sega Card cases with tabs are hard to find and sadly I've exhausted all the cheap copies of F16 I can find...even ebay I'm look at lose to $10 bucks (including shipping)

    Say, do you have any F-16 manuals left over?  I could use one.




  • nope....i end up just trading cases and trading/selling them off.
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