The thread is finally back to form!!! Very nice Lode Runner Frost!!! That is a very obscure title that almost never shows up! And the DK Jr is neat too!
The thread is finally back to form!!! Very nice Lode Runner Frost!!! That is a very obscure title that almost never shows up! And the DK Jr is neat too!
Licensed gauntlet is very rare too. I am sure, as in any case, there are members who might have copies that simply just haven't shared or care to share .
Last item, special title below, going to beat Dan to the punch on this one, Lode Runner!!! Only know of two sealed copies and no gold graded ones. Resending for regarding to indicate non-rev a on the label even though it appears that there never were rev-a copies of this title. Either way, still need the detailed report. Thanks to Dan for helping me land this one!
2 things in response:
1) I have a sealed mintastic licensed Gauntlet. Not everyone posts everything they have.
2) You are correct. From my master list there is a hang-tab box with 5-screw cart Lode Runner, and a non hang-tab NON rev a box with 3-screw cart Lode Runner. Just one of the many nes anomalies, where REV-A doesn't always have to be there to denote 3-screw cart.
Technically yes I guess you could say that but: The hang tab box should be the 5-screw cart. The non-hang tab box would go with the 3 screw cart. There just isn't a REV-A box that exists. If one ever came out, which I haven't seen one in all my years of searching it would also be a 3-screw cart obviously.
Licensed gauntlet is very rare too. I am sure, as in any case, there are members who might have copies that simply just haven't shared or care to share .
Last item, special title below, going to beat Dan to the punch on this one, Lode Runner!!! Only know of two sealed copies and no gold graded ones. Resending for regarding to indicate non-rev a on the label even though it appears that there never were rev-a copies of this title. Either way, still need the detailed report. Thanks to Dan for helping me land this one!
2 things in response:
1) I have a sealed mintastic licensed Gauntlet. Not everyone posts everything they have.
2) You are correct. From my master list there is a hang-tab box with 5-screw cart Lode Runner, and a non hang-tab NON rev a box with 3-screw cart Lode Runner. Just one of the many nes anomalies, where REV-A doesn't always have to be there to denote 3-screw cart.
Nah there is no hang tab gotcha IIRC. But I'll wait to hear what Erik has to say.
Or if what u meant to say was that non rev a gotcha is five screw and rev a 3 screw, yes, but that's exactly what you'd expect and not what Erik was saying, if you read closer, with respect to lode runner
well here is my last nice one for a while. Got one more wayward son from this collection I mentioned left to post in a couple weeks when it comes back to me.
Bronty, have you ever been able to figure out why that initial "FFF" release of Athletic World was sticker sealed? It doesn't seem to make any sense, as no other third party US games were ever sticker sealed (to my knowledge). By that time, even Nintendo had stopped using them, and the third parties had finally started sealing their games in shrinkwrap (after an initial phase of not having any kind of seal at all). Just a random anomaly, or do you think there was some logical reason for this?
Well remember its not a standard sticker seal. It's not the same sticker that went on black boxes.
Athletic world came in a big package with the mat, so it's more like a pack-in with a console (well in this case a pack in with an accessory). Hence no wrap.
Bronty, have you ever been able to figure out why that initial "FFF" release of Athletic World was sticker sealed? It doesn't seem to make any sense, as no other third party US games were ever sticker sealed (to my knowledge). By that time, even Nintendo had stopped using them, and the third parties had finally started sealing their games in shrinkwrap (after an initial phase of not having any kind of seal at all). Just a random anomaly, or do you think there was some logical reason for this?
What makes you say there was a period where there parties used no wrap? I've not seen any evidence of that at all? The first 3rd party games were the 10/86 bandais and they've all been found as first versions with wrap
Beautiful FFF!!!----And actually, I need to get a nice Street Cop as it's one of those low key titles that is usually beat up---great games lately Bronty
Bronty, have you ever been able to figure out why that initial "FFF" release of Athletic World was sticker sealed? It doesn't seem to make any sense, as no other third party US games were ever sticker sealed (to my knowledge). By that time, even Nintendo had stopped using them, and the third parties had finally started sealing their games in shrinkwrap (after an initial phase of not having any kind of seal at all). Just a random anomaly, or do you think there was some logical reason for this?
What makes you say there was a period where there parties used no wrap? I've not seen any evidence of that at all? The first 3rd party games were the 10/86 bandais and they've all been found as first versions with wrap
I was there when these games originally came out, and remember this distinctly. I didn't see any shrinkwrapped games until some time in '87. The earliest third party releases (up through Trojan, at least) were all initially sold without any kind of wrap or seal. I'm aware that first version boxes for those games can be found sealed, but the seal must have been applied to remaining copies slightly after the initial release. Keep in mind that those of us who lived in the test market areas got all of this stuff a bit earlier (the "national" launch of the NES was much more slow and erratic than most realize, and many of the officially used dates are simply wrong), so perhaps it was only so in those areas.
Digging around a bit, I see that I'm not the only one who remembers this. A 2011 post from Spoonman, who like myself seems to have grown up in the New York/New Jersey test market area and was also a very early adopter:
"I didn't start seeing shrink wrap sealed games until '86 (at least in NY)."
"The first 3rd party games such as Ghosts 'N Goblins and Commando (pictured) didn't even have so much as a sticker dot."
I think he meant '87 rather than '86, but he's remembering the same sequence of events that I am, in any case.
This is one of the very reasons that I find the Athletic World sticker seal so odd. Third parties never used those, and by summer '87 companies like Bandai had already switched over from no seal at all to shrinkwrap.
Well remember its not a standard sticker seal. It's not the same sticker that went on black boxes.
Athletic world came in a big package with the mat, so it's more like a pack-in with a console (well in this case a pack in with an accessory). Hence no wrap.
Yes, that's probably the best explanation. It still strikes me as an unusual choice on their part though, considering the prevailing trends.
Why is that unusual? I bought a brand new Bandai Pad on eBay that didn't even make mention of the game inside. When I got it home and opened up the Pad the game was neatly rolled up inside the pad and plastic bag. Since it was already in a plastic bag rolled up in the mat inside the pad box they just put a sticker on the top of the game probably so they could tell if someone returning it had opened the game and played it. Other than that there would be no reason to go to the expense of sealing up this game. Mine isn't graded but it's definitely in perfect 10/10 sealed condition and I've been offered a ton for it. I don't think there's any mystery here.
Why is that unusual? I bought a brand new Bandai Pad on eBay that didn't even make mention of the game inside. When I got it home and opened up the Pad the game was neatly rolled up inside the pad and plastic bag. Since it was already in a plastic bag rolled up in the mat inside the pad box they just put a sticker on the top of the game probably so they could tell if someone returning it had opened the game and played it. Other than that there would be no reason to go to the expense of sealing up this game. Mine isn't graded but it's definitely in perfect 10/10 sealed condition and I've been offered a ton for it. I don't think there's any mystery here.
It's unusual because exactly one third party company ever did this, for exactly one game. I believe that would define "unusual", but maybe that's just me. In any case, I already agreed with Bronty that the "pack in" factor was the most likely explanation, so that about covers it. I do fail to see why ordering a special seal sticker (which they had never used before) for this one game would have been cheaper for Bandai than just shrinking it like they were already doing with all their others by that point, but who knows. As far as the condition/value of your copy, I'm not sure how that's relevant. I'm in no way trying to question the quality/validity of anyone's games. Please understand, collecting commercialy released games is of no interest to me. It's only the historical/chronological aspects that have come to light through dedicated variant collecting of early titles that I'm fascinated with. Thus, my specific inquiries to people like Bronty and yourself.
That being said, do you have any opinion on the foil/cloth sticker seal issue I asked you about earlier?
By the way, if this is too OT for this thread (or you're just not interested in it), please let me know and I'll cease and desist.
I think this would have been an 80 years ago. It's really not in that horrible a shape despite the horrible grade. Not a beauty contest winner, but really not that bad.
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Josh,
Sorry, can't make Portland this year.
Perhaps next year
Not the best, but damn hard to find sealed! At least it's above 60
Nice! I have a soft spot for coleco
The thread is finally back to form!!! Very nice Lode Runner Frost!!! That is a very obscure title that almost never shows up! And the DK Jr is neat too!
I know, it sure took a while but it's back
Originally posted by: Frost271
Licensed gauntlet is very rare too. I am sure, as in any case, there are members who might have copies that simply just haven't shared or care to share .
Last item, special title below, going to beat Dan to the punch on this one, Lode Runner!!! Only know of two sealed copies and no gold graded ones. Resending for regarding to indicate non-rev a on the label even though it appears that there never were rev-a copies of this title. Either way, still need the detailed report. Thanks to Dan for helping me land this one!
2 things in response:
1) I have a sealed mintastic licensed Gauntlet. Not everyone posts everything they have.
2) You are correct. From my master list there is a hang-tab box with 5-screw cart Lode Runner, and a non hang-tab NON rev a box with 3-screw cart Lode Runner. Just one of the many nes anomalies, where REV-A doesn't always have to be there to denote 3-screw cart.
2) good tidbit. So non rev a on that title can be either 5 or 3 screw, correct?
Technically yes I guess you could say that but: The hang tab box should be the 5-screw cart. The non-hang tab box would go with the 3 screw cart. There just isn't a REV-A box that exists. If one ever came out, which I haven't seen one in all my years of searching it would also be a 3-screw cart obviously.
Originally posted by: Braveheart69
Originally posted by: Frost271
Licensed gauntlet is very rare too. I am sure, as in any case, there are members who might have copies that simply just haven't shared or care to share .
Last item, special title below, going to beat Dan to the punch on this one, Lode Runner!!! Only know of two sealed copies and no gold graded ones. Resending for regarding to indicate non-rev a on the label even though it appears that there never were rev-a copies of this title. Either way, still need the detailed report. Thanks to Dan for helping me land this one!
2 things in response:
1) I have a sealed mintastic licensed Gauntlet. Not everyone posts everything they have.
2) You are correct. From my master list there is a hang-tab box with 5-screw cart Lode Runner, and a non hang-tab NON rev a box with 3-screw cart Lode Runner. Just one of the many nes anomalies, where REV-A doesn't always have to be there to denote 3-screw cart.
Gotcha! is another on right?
Or if what u meant to say was that non rev a gotcha is five screw and rev a 3 screw, yes, but that's exactly what you'd expect and not what Erik was saying, if you read closer, with respect to lode runner
Athletic world came in a big package with the mat, so it's more like a pack-in with a console (well in this case a pack in with an accessory). Hence no wrap.
Bronty, have you ever been able to figure out why that initial "FFF" release of Athletic World was sticker sealed? It doesn't seem to make any sense, as no other third party US games were ever sticker sealed (to my knowledge). By that time, even Nintendo had stopped using them, and the third parties had finally started sealing their games in shrinkwrap (after an initial phase of not having any kind of seal at all). Just a random anomaly, or do you think there was some logical reason for this?
What makes you say there was a period where there parties used no wrap? I've not seen any evidence of that at all? The first 3rd party games were the 10/86 bandais and they've all been found as first versions with wrap
Originally posted by: Bronty
Originally posted by: Brain Breaker
Bronty, have you ever been able to figure out why that initial "FFF" release of Athletic World was sticker sealed? It doesn't seem to make any sense, as no other third party US games were ever sticker sealed (to my knowledge). By that time, even Nintendo had stopped using them, and the third parties had finally started sealing their games in shrinkwrap (after an initial phase of not having any kind of seal at all). Just a random anomaly, or do you think there was some logical reason for this?
What makes you say there was a period where there parties used no wrap? I've not seen any evidence of that at all? The first 3rd party games were the 10/86 bandais and they've all been found as first versions with wrap
I was there when these games originally came out, and remember this distinctly. I didn't see any shrinkwrapped games until some time in '87. The earliest third party releases (up through Trojan, at least) were all initially sold without any kind of wrap or seal. I'm aware that first version boxes for those games can be found sealed, but the seal must have been applied to remaining copies slightly after the initial release. Keep in mind that those of us who lived in the test market areas got all of this stuff a bit earlier (the "national" launch of the NES was much more slow and erratic than most realize, and many of the officially used dates are simply wrong), so perhaps it was only so in those areas.
Digging around a bit, I see that I'm not the only one who remembers this. A 2011 post from Spoonman, who like myself seems to have grown up in the New York/New Jersey test market area and was also a very early adopter:
"I didn't start seeing shrink wrap sealed games until '86 (at least in NY)."
"The first 3rd party games such as Ghosts 'N Goblins and Commando (pictured) didn't even have so much as a sticker dot."
http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=50716
I think he meant '87 rather than '86, but he's remembering the same sequence of events that I am, in any case.
This is one of the very reasons that I find the Athletic World sticker seal so odd. Third parties never used those, and by summer '87 companies like Bandai had already switched over from no seal at all to shrinkwrap.
Originally posted by: Bronty
Well remember its not a standard sticker seal. It's not the same sticker that went on black boxes.
Athletic world came in a big package with the mat, so it's more like a pack-in with a console (well in this case a pack in with an accessory). Hence no wrap.
Yes, that's probably the best explanation. It still strikes me as an unusual choice on their part though, considering the prevailing trends.
Originally posted by: Braveheart69
Why is that unusual? I bought a brand new Bandai Pad on eBay that didn't even make mention of the game inside. When I got it home and opened up the Pad the game was neatly rolled up inside the pad and plastic bag. Since it was already in a plastic bag rolled up in the mat inside the pad box they just put a sticker on the top of the game probably so they could tell if someone returning it had opened the game and played it. Other than that there would be no reason to go to the expense of sealing up this game. Mine isn't graded but it's definitely in perfect 10/10 sealed condition and I've been offered a ton for it. I don't think there's any mystery here.
It's unusual because exactly one third party company ever did this, for exactly one game. I believe that would define "unusual", but maybe that's just me. In any case, I already agreed with Bronty that the "pack in" factor was the most likely explanation, so that about covers it. I do fail to see why ordering a special seal sticker (which they had never used before) for this one game would have been cheaper for Bandai than just shrinking it like they were already doing with all their others by that point, but who knows. As far as the condition/value of your copy, I'm not sure how that's relevant. I'm in no way trying to question the quality/validity of anyone's games. Please understand, collecting commercialy released games is of no interest to me. It's only the historical/chronological aspects that have come to light through dedicated variant collecting of early titles that I'm fascinated with. Thus, my specific inquiries to people like Bronty and yourself.
That being said, do you have any opinion on the foil/cloth sticker seal issue I asked you about earlier?
By the way, if this is too OT for this thread (or you're just not interested in it), please let me know and I'll cease and desist.
I think this would have been an 80 years ago. It's really not in that horrible a shape despite the horrible grade. Not a beauty contest winner, but really not that bad.