Because emulators rely on the rom header, which is added when the cart is dumped.
Originally posted by: JD
Wouldn't it be a ton of work to make sure you had a copy of every single rom to check against?
Pirate Bay
Originally posted by: JD
Also, what if you happen to get a bad dump? I could see lots or problems with this.
Bad dump would be bad contact with the cart, so it wouldn't run just like a normal NES wouldn't run.
Originally posted by: 3GenGames
Are they going to store every mapper boot-up state too?
That is a standard part of any emulator.
Originally posted by: stardust4ever
In other words, emulate the console and cartridge port in real time and let whatever hardware is present in the game carts do their magic.
The IO speed on processors is too slow to handle the cart buses. There is not enough time to do emulation plus waiting for the cart, especially on a low power ARM like they are using.
Originally posted by: stardust4ever
It would be a real nightmare for Pichichi if gamers attempt to return Retron5s and/or 4-in-1 homebrew carts because they don't work together.
If they do a firmware update, I don't understand what is the big fuss about.
Because it will need to wait for them to have a firmware update for every new NES game before you can play it. That's different than the update being included with the game at the same time.
Is it possible the retron5 will probe the cart and use heuristics to determine the mapper for games that have unrecognized checksums? This would enable a lot of variants, repros, hacks, and homebrews which share mappers with existing games, to work.
I guess you just have a much smaller view of what homebrew means to the future of the system than I do, so your 100% is far different than my 100%. I find dropping the community where the newest developments are happening to be shameful, not admirable.
It will be a sad xmas when someone gets their new Retron and it won't play their xmas cart
I guess I do. I'm really not interested in or care much about most homebrew, and the other faux reproductions really are just bootlegs either with new parts or chop shopped old so I just don't factor that into compatibility. If by some miracle it really did somehow run every licensed or unlicensed title a system had during its life I would consider it 100% and be just blown away.
I'm going to assume since piko interactive(pichichi) is working with them on his after market games and they will work on it, that the gateway is clearly there to run anything submitted to them to work, or we just don't really understand what they're up to and stuff will work, and even the third option if it runs some form of android OS they've heavily hacked they tend to have a backdoor in there where people can just do their own tweaks/hacks to run other stuff kind of like how Ouya got opened up to unsigned emulators and other apps.
Pichichi I don't get the sabotage and second guessing arguing either. You're right, they can update it, and it still isn't out so anything can be done between now, release, and even after with patches. But also as I said, we don't know what the OS is really on this hiding under the hood, but if by chance it's heavily tweaked Android I think it would be easily open for people to tweak and patch it who are into after market modern releases.
IF I had Retron 5, it would be to clear up some cords and clutter around the entertainment center.
All the other systems wouldn't go into the trash though, maybe they go to the closet for a while if anything. If I get a game I really want to play that isn't compatible, I can always dig out the old grey box and play it. This isn't the system to replace all systems.
IF I had Retron 5, it would be to clear up some cords and clutter around the entertainment center.
All the other systems wouldn't go into the trash though, maybe they go to the closet for a while if anything. If I get a game I really want to play that isn't compatible, I can always dig out the old grey box and play it. This isn't the system to replace all systems.
I guess thats my mistake. I was hoping it would be. It's not exactly an easy task tearing apart my entertainment setup to unplug and re-plug stuff in, since a lot of it runs through the wall.
It isn't sabotage, unless you can point to something that you know is factually wrong. The question was compatibility, asked in the brewery. Much of the brewery will be incompatible unless they do fast updates frequently for a decade. If they gave honest answers instead of cryptic messages and PR lines then no speculation would be needed!
It isn't sabotage, unless you can point to something that you know is factually wrong. The question was compatibility, asked in the brewery. Much of the brewery will be incompatible unless they do fast updates frequently for a decade. If they gave honest answers instead of cryptic messages and PR lines then no speculation would be needed!
Well, i guess someone will have to take the plunge, buy one and test homebrews then right?
I still want to know, is ther ANY clone console that CAN play homebrews/hacks?
It isn't sabotage, unless you can point to something that you know is factually wrong. The question was compatibility, asked in the brewery. Much of the brewery will be incompatible unless they do fast updates frequently for a decade. If they gave honest answers instead of cryptic messages and PR lines then no speculation would be needed!
Well, i guess someone will have to take the plunge, buy one and test homebrews then right?
I still want to know, is ther ANY clone console that CAN play homebrews/hacks?
I used a Retron 3 to test out my Repro's for about a year until I fried it (static shock from my hand to a bare board plugged in) Now I use a a Retron. The one that only play NES games and it plays all of the Repro's I make except for Dragoon X Omega (dragon warrior hack).
It isn't sabotage, unless you can point to something that you know is factually wrong. The question was compatibility, asked in the brewery. Much of the brewery will be incompatible unless they do fast updates frequently for a decade. If they gave honest answers instead of cryptic messages and PR lines then no speculation would be needed!
I haven't been active here for a while, but I logged in just to quote this for truth.
Wow so the retron 3 could play repros, but not the retron 5? seems like a step back in technology if its true. If I wanted to use an emulator like that, I would just use a computer I think..
It depends on what one would consider a step back or forward. I think they realized that system on a chip tech wasn't going anywhere and wasn't improving much, decided to give up and get an independently developed system made and threw their own OS on there to run stuff through emulation that reads real cartridges.
Perhaps it will or will not run aftermarket bootlegs and homebrew, but it will only be revealed since they're not super chatty after the fact. If I find that for legitimate releases of the period, for the existing game libraries from their era run as much as they claim I'll buy it, and with the few bootlegs I have I'll test them at that point if I get it as I am curious.
I'm sure it's pretty obvious (at least to me) that this isn't really targeted for anything other than your "average" gamer. Someone who really cares about homebrew, or pirate carts, and other rarities is going to have a genuine system to play on.
I'm just waiting for some of the big game retro game youtubers to try them out. Hopefully they test some unlicensed stuff like this and maybe the company will find a way to support this hardware, but I doubt that will happen.
I'm sure it's pretty obvious (at least to me) that this isn't really targeted for anything other than your "average" gamer. Someone who really cares about homebrew, or pirate carts, and other rarities is going to have a genuine system to play on.
I'm just waiting for some of the big game retro game youtubers to try them out. Hopefully they test some unlicensed stuff like this and maybe the company will find a way to support this hardware, but I doubt that will happen.
Actually, the thing is, I want to avoid to much wear and tear on the original NES/SNES because honestly, I want it to last as long as possible.
Ditto. My oldest console a 4-switch Atari is like over 30 years old and could probably last another 30 years at least. I see a similar lifespan on NES and SNES if well cared for. I'm 32 now and I'll likely be an old man by the time they die, LOL.
I wish I could say the same about modern consoles but it's simply not likely to happen.
Ditto. My oldest console a 4-switch Atari is like over 30 years old and could probably last another 30 years at least. I see a similar lifespan on NES and SNES if well cared for. I'm 32 now and I'll likely be an old man by the time they die, LOL.
I wish I could say the same about modern consoles but it's simply not likely to happen.
I'm more worried about CRTs still working than I am about the old gaming systems. There's more that can go wrong. Lag is a serious problem with old school gaming, at least if you are into trying to beat some of the really tough games. I just find it waaaay easier to even have a fighting chance at beating Ninja Gaiden etc. on a CRT with a real NES...modern emulation and modern TVs is so laggy...save states are a must..and that just feels lame to play that way imho.
Here's hoping bunnyboy's hdmi nes, combined with a low input lag gaming monitor will be 99.99999% of the way there!
Ditto. My oldest console a 4-switch Atari is like over 30 years old and could probably last another 30 years at least. I see a similar lifespan on NES and SNES if well cared for. I'm 32 now and I'll likely be an old man by the time they die, LOL.
I wish I could say the same about modern consoles but it's simply not likely to happen.
Absolutely. I'm actively playing on the same NES that I've had for over 25 years from back when I was a kid. Sure, I had to replace the pin connector, but it's still working like an absolute champ after all this time, and I use it quite a bit.
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Originally posted by: JD
Why not just run it like other emulators run?
Because emulators rely on the rom header, which is added when the cart is dumped.
Originally posted by: JD
Wouldn't it be a ton of work to make sure you had a copy of every single rom to check against?
Pirate Bay
Originally posted by: JD
Also, what if you happen to get a bad dump? I could see lots or problems with this.
Bad dump would be bad contact with the cart, so it wouldn't run just like a normal NES wouldn't run.
Originally posted by: 3GenGames
Are they going to store every mapper boot-up state too?
That is a standard part of any emulator.
Originally posted by: stardust4ever
In other words, emulate the console and cartridge port in real time and let whatever hardware is present in the game carts do their magic.
The IO speed on processors is too slow to handle the cart buses. There is not enough time to do emulation plus waiting for the cart, especially on a low power ARM like they are using.
Originally posted by: stardust4ever
It would be a real nightmare for Pichichi if gamers attempt to return Retron5s and/or 4-in-1 homebrew carts because they don't work together.
Hope he considered that before offering it!
In addition some have crap in the header and can be fixed (so they work with your powerpak)
Nontheless homebrews do work, in emulators, so why use the entire dump, instead if just the header with the retron?
Make it work like other emulators.
Sounds assanine to me.
Originally posted by: JD
Nontheless homebrews do work, in emulators, so why use the entire dump, instead if just the header with the retron?
Actual carts don't have headers...
Originally posted by: stardust4ever
It would be a real nightmare for Pichichi if gamers attempt to return Retron5s and/or 4-in-1 homebrew carts because they don't work together.
Hope he considered that before offering it!
They have the mapping documentation. Which will be working on the console.
Im not sure why some people here keep trying to sabotage the Retron 5.
Wii U had boot updates. PS4 and Xbox one will have firmware update launch day.
If they do a firmware update, I don't understand what is the big fuss about.
Originally posted by: JD
Nontheless homebrews do work, in emulators, so why use the entire dump, instead if just the header with the retron?
Actual carts don't have headers...
Ok JD is a dumbass. Totally missed that.
Still there has to be a better way.
Every single time I downloaded it, I got the same peace of shit bad dump.
Maybe it was a PAL version or something instead even though it was listed as (U)
Regardless I have very little faith this method will be reliable.
Bad roms have a way of perpeptuating themselves to every single pirate site known to man.
Originally posted by: pichichi010
If they do a firmware update, I don't understand what is the big fuss about.
Because it will need to wait for them to have a firmware update for every new NES game before you can play it. That's different than the update being included with the game at the same time.
Originally posted by: pichichi010
Originally posted by: stardust4ever
It would be a real nightmare for Pichichi if gamers attempt to return Retron5s and/or 4-in-1 homebrew carts because they don't work together.
Hope he considered that before offering it!
They have the mapping documentation. Which will be working on the console.
Im not sure why some people here keep trying to sabotage the Retron 5.
Wii U had boot updates. PS4 and Xbox one will have firmware update launch day.
If they do a firmware update, I don't understand what is the big fuss about.
How long do they plan to do firmware updates? When I release a game in five years, are they going to patch it?
Probably not.
No one is trying to sabotage the system. We're just stating that it isn't perfect for the types of gamers some of us are, who like to play new games.
Originally posted by: bunnyboy
I guess you just have a much smaller view of what homebrew means to the future of the system than I do, so your 100% is far different than my 100%. I find dropping the community where the newest developments are happening to be shameful, not admirable.
It will be a sad xmas when someone gets their new Retron and it won't play their xmas cart
I guess I do. I'm really not interested in or care much about most homebrew, and the other faux reproductions really are just bootlegs either with new parts or chop shopped old so I just don't factor that into compatibility. If by some miracle it really did somehow run every licensed or unlicensed title a system had during its life I would consider it 100% and be just blown away.
I'm going to assume since piko interactive(pichichi) is working with them on his after market games and they will work on it, that the gateway is clearly there to run anything submitted to them to work, or we just don't really understand what they're up to and stuff will work, and even the third option if it runs some form of android OS they've heavily hacked they tend to have a backdoor in there where people can just do their own tweaks/hacks to run other stuff kind of like how Ouya got opened up to unsigned emulators and other apps.
Pichichi I don't get the sabotage and second guessing arguing either. You're right, they can update it, and it still isn't out so anything can be done between now, release, and even after with patches. But also as I said, we don't know what the OS is really on this hiding under the hood, but if by chance it's heavily tweaked Android I think it would be easily open for people to tweak and patch it who are into after market modern releases.
IF I had Retron 5, it would be to clear up some cords and clutter around the entertainment center.
All the other systems wouldn't go into the trash though, maybe they go to the closet for a while if anything. If I get a game I really want to play that isn't compatible, I can always dig out the old grey box and play it. This isn't the system to replace all systems.
Originally posted by: 0xero0
I don't really see what all the fuss is about.
IF I had Retron 5, it would be to clear up some cords and clutter around the entertainment center.
All the other systems wouldn't go into the trash though, maybe they go to the closet for a while if anything. If I get a game I really want to play that isn't compatible, I can always dig out the old grey box and play it. This isn't the system to replace all systems.
I guess thats my mistake. I was hoping it would be. It's not exactly an easy task tearing apart my entertainment setup to unplug and re-plug stuff in, since a lot of it runs through the wall.
Originally posted by: bunnyboy
It isn't sabotage, unless you can point to something that you know is factually wrong. The question was compatibility, asked in the brewery. Much of the brewery will be incompatible unless they do fast updates frequently for a decade. If they gave honest answers instead of cryptic messages and PR lines then no speculation would be needed!
Well, i guess someone will have to take the plunge, buy one and test homebrews then right?
I still want to know, is ther ANY clone console that CAN play homebrews/hacks?
Originally posted by: Oddzball
Originally posted by: bunnyboy
It isn't sabotage, unless you can point to something that you know is factually wrong. The question was compatibility, asked in the brewery. Much of the brewery will be incompatible unless they do fast updates frequently for a decade. If they gave honest answers instead of cryptic messages and PR lines then no speculation would be needed!
Well, i guess someone will have to take the plunge, buy one and test homebrews then right?
I still want to know, is ther ANY clone console that CAN play homebrews/hacks?
I used a Retron 3 to test out my Repro's for about a year until I fried it (static shock from my hand to a bare board plugged in) Now I use a a Retron. The one that only play NES games and it plays all of the Repro's I make except for Dragoon X Omega (dragon warrior hack).
It isn't sabotage, unless you can point to something that you know is factually wrong. The question was compatibility, asked in the brewery. Much of the brewery will be incompatible unless they do fast updates frequently for a decade. If they gave honest answers instead of cryptic messages and PR lines then no speculation would be needed!
I haven't been active here for a while, but I logged in just to quote this for truth.
Perhaps it will or will not run aftermarket bootlegs and homebrew, but it will only be revealed since they're not super chatty after the fact. If I find that for legitimate releases of the period, for the existing game libraries from their era run as much as they claim I'll buy it, and with the few bootlegs I have I'll test them at that point if I get it as I am curious.
I wanna see the Super Retro Trio, Would it be like the Retro Duo
I'm just waiting for some of the big game retro game youtubers to try them out. Hopefully they test some unlicensed stuff like this and maybe the company will find a way to support this hardware, but I doubt that will happen.
Originally posted by: WhatULive4
I'm sure it's pretty obvious (at least to me) that this isn't really targeted for anything other than your "average" gamer. Someone who really cares about homebrew, or pirate carts, and other rarities is going to have a genuine system to play on.
I'm just waiting for some of the big game retro game youtubers to try them out. Hopefully they test some unlicensed stuff like this and maybe the company will find a way to support this hardware, but I doubt that will happen.
Actually, the thing is, I want to avoid to much wear and tear on the original NES/SNES because honestly, I want it to last as long as possible.
I wish I could say the same about modern consoles but it's simply not likely to happen.
Originally posted by: stardust4ever
Ditto. My oldest console a 4-switch Atari is like over 30 years old and could probably last another 30 years at least. I see a similar lifespan on NES and SNES if well cared for. I'm 32 now and I'll likely be an old man by the time they die, LOL.
I wish I could say the same about modern consoles but it's simply not likely to happen.
I'm more worried about CRTs still working than I am about the old gaming systems. There's more that can go wrong. Lag is a serious problem with old school gaming, at least if you are into trying to beat some of the really tough games. I just find it waaaay easier to even have a fighting chance at beating Ninja Gaiden etc. on a CRT with a real NES...modern emulation and modern TVs is so laggy...save states are a must..and that just feels lame to play that way imho.
Here's hoping bunnyboy's hdmi nes, combined with a low input lag gaming monitor will be 99.99999% of the way there!
Originally posted by: stardust4ever
Ditto. My oldest console a 4-switch Atari is like over 30 years old and could probably last another 30 years at least. I see a similar lifespan on NES and SNES if well cared for. I'm 32 now and I'll likely be an old man by the time they die, LOL.
I wish I could say the same about modern consoles but it's simply not likely to happen.
Absolutely. I'm actively playing on the same NES that I've had for over 25 years from back when I was a kid. Sure, I had to replace the pin connector, but it's still working like an absolute champ after all this time, and I use it quite a bit.