Making a repro from a ReproPak

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  • Well, we're the ones truely affect by this shit. How about you just leave period? Thanks.
  • Who cares if you're affected, it's not like Nintendo is like some special fantasy market where common piracy doesn't happen. What does appear special is the extraordinary steps some take here in persecuting others for having interests in things that tend to give a vocal minority a bad case of sandy vagina. It is NEVER acceptable to tell someone what they can or can't do with their own property, period. It's also dodgy to attack people over their beliefs they don't agree with you too, it's wrong. Agree to disagree, or put up a real spirited debate, but to turn to high grade douchebaggery and threats isn't right.



    And thanks Oddzball, he's go the point, the one I was making that unfortunately started this shitstorm (unintended trust me) but people here love to play morality games and split hairs over what is right and wrong when it comes to bootlegs (or as they're called here, reproductions.) Warez is warez, it's really that simple. It's sad that as Americans we're taking that behavior politicians and idiots do that makes other parts of the world wish us dead or think of us as selfish American assholes. We're fine shitting in anyone's backyard, just not our own. It's ok to make a pirate of Kid Dracula Famicom, Terranigma PAL-SNES, Mother 3-GBA, and various others because it didn't come out here. That isn't right, it's not a reproduction, it's stolen software being repackaged in a cute plastic and labelled wrapper yet we're fine doing this, advertising it, and helping to traffic it. Yet, if someone wants their very own affordable Bonk's Adventure-NES, Aero Fighters-SNES, Ninja FiveO-GBA then that somehow is evil, crossing the line, and creating bootlegs that 'harm the hobby.' Really? Seriously...really? What about the poor bastard who lives in the UK who just had his Terranigma devalued, the guy in Japan with a crippled Mother 3, and so on?



    I guess that's morally, ethically, and all that jazz ok because they're not American's and fuck them, that's their games we never got so well...too damn bad. Blows my mind this stuff is allowed with some being ok and not others. Either it's all ok and we endorse piracy openly, or we don't. It really should be a black and white issue, not shades of selfish gray.





    Oh to answer the PowerPak question -- No it's not 100%.  I had one, got rid of it.  It wasn't over that, but it caused me to entirely hold no value or motivation to play games on the NES because I could just straight ripoff whatever I want and use it freely so I'd never keep my attention on any game for long.  Secondarily I didn't like how you had to save games, it was just quirky.  And to a minor third note, it stuck out like a sore thumb on my rack of games.  I'd find more value in having 5 US-NES bootlegs that look spot on right as I'd put the time into enjoying them and using them while not having to blow a mortgage payment or two to get them.
  • You missed the point to my posts, we need to stop helping people, there are perfect and much better alternatives out there. If we put our foot down and just tell people NO to reproduction help, it won't get better. The information is out there and covered PLENTY. If they can't do it without what is out there, then that's their loss. If we keep helping people who come in here asking for it and spoon feeding them, we'll never see it get better.



    And also, I can most definitely tell them not to do illegal things with their property, lol.

  • Originally posted by: Tanooki





    Oh to answer the PowerPak question -- No it's not 100%.  I had one, got rid of it.  It wasn't over that, but it caused me to entirely hold no value or motivation to play games on the NES because I could just straight ripoff whatever I want and use it freely so I'd never keep my attention on any game for long.  Secondarily I didn't like how you had to save games, it was just quirky.  And to a minor third note, it stuck out like a sore thumb on my rack of games.  I'd find more value in having 5 US-NES bootlegs that look spot on right as I'd put the time into enjoying them and using them while not having to blow a mortgage payment or two to get them.



    This is one of the main reasons I dont like emulators or flash carts. It makes you not appreciate the sweet find when you have to search for a game and thenplay it. You can just go on the internet and rip off &00+ games.



    The only thing I would probably use a powerpack for is those test cart roms, since Im not about to pay $500 for one. Or actually id rather have a reproduction of one because then it would be it's "own" thing, and not a faceless file on a flash card.



  • Originally posted by: 3GenGames



    You missed the point to my posts, we need to stop helping people, there are perfect and much better alternatives out there. If we put our foot down and just tell people NO to reproduction help, it won't get better. The information is out there and covered PLENTY. If they can't do it without what is out there, then that's their loss. If we keep helping people who come in here asking for it and spoon feeding them, we'll never see it get better.



    And also, I can most definitely tell them not to do illegal things with their property, lol.



    Yeah its all out there. To answer the original OP, I'm pretty sure the ReproPack is a great way to make reproductions. The instructions are very clear, the chip pinout is easier to work with. You can buy their universal CIC.



    The only really UNCLEAR part of making reproductions is the chip programmer you use, and how that is done. There's a lot of options out there, and the fact that finding one that works on modern Windows 7-8 64 bit and USB is kind of a pain.


  • The programmer is the easiest part, they're made to program chips out of the box, the chips are either CMOS, NMOS, or Flash. If it's really hard find the differences, and what programmer to flash those, you're just out of luck. It's so unclear because nobody has spoon fed it to everyone. It's not spoon fed because it's so simple it's dumb.

  • Originally posted by: 3GenGames



    The programmer is the easiest part, they're made to program chips out of the box, the chips are either CMOS, NMOS, or Flash. If it's really hard find the differences, and what programmer to flash those, you're just out of luck. It's so unclear because nobody has spoon fed it to everyone. It's not spoon fed because it's so simple it's dumb.



    Maybe simple to you, but I've yet to find a good source on one that works well with windows 7 64 bit and USB.



    top853 USB universal programmer is what I've been looking at, then ordering a few repropacks and CICs from the store.



  • Originally posted by: 3GenGames



    And also, I can most definitely tell them not to do illegal things with their property, lol.



    Well then your' a hypocrite I guess.  You're fine telling people not to do illegal stuff making their own bootleg of a US game, but it's ok to refer them to a powerpak, emulator and roms, or other stuff.  Good that's been cleared up.



    If people ask for help it should be given or ignored, not persecuted.

  • Originally posted by: Tanooki




    Originally posted by: 3GenGames



    And also, I can most definitely tell them not to do illegal things with their property, lol.



    Well then your' a hypocrite I guess.  You're fine telling people not to do illegal stuff making their own bootleg of a US game, but it's ok to refer them to a powerpak, emulator and roms, or other stuff.  Good that's been cleared up.



    If people ask for help it should be given or ignored, not persecuted.

    I tried once here to ask about a good chip programmer that works with USB and windows 7 64bit and it was like pulling teeth. You have some REALLY nice folks(jjrepro for example) out on this forum willing to help, but it's like a lot of other repro makers intentionally try to derail the thread to keep their "secrets" or are trying to be elitetist about it, and belittle you or act like jerks whenever a simple question is asked.




  • I'm a jerk/elitist* because I won't help you because most people who do this are there to scam people and make "real" games that are fake? Pot meet kettle.



    And also, tanooki that's what I am saying, we need to limit what we post out into the searchable forum to try to stop this crap and control it. And also, emulators are not illegal, neither is reproducing homebrews, but it hurts us directly. Wait until we have people selling games like Battle Kid on their own reproduction with the right case and crap, AND the same PCB. Won't that be great? The ROM is out there and it uses the same boards you can get on retrousb, so how many already exist?

  • Originally posted by: RegularGuyGamer



    Yo dawg, a NES running NES roms, emulating NES hardware, emulating NES software on your NES!

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    Someone correct me if Im wrong but isn't the powerpak being 100% accurate make it the same as your SE bootleg running 100% accurate. Its not the actual, original software. Sounds like your splitting hairs up there^^ The difference is the powerpak doesn't have SE or F2 label and can't be passed of as a $500+ game.







    Inserted that for you.

  • Originally posted by: 3GenGames



    I'm a jerk/elitist* because I won't help you because most people who do this are there to scam people and make "real" games that are fake? Pot meet kettle.



    And also, tanooki that's what I am saying, we need to limit what we post out into the searchable forum to try to stop this crap and control it. And also, emulators are not illegal, neither is reproducing homebrews, but it hurts us directly. Wait until we have people selling games like Battle Kid on their own reproduction with the right case and crap, AND the same PCB. Won't that be great? The ROM is out there and it uses the same boards you can get on retrousb, so how many already exist?





    Sometimes you have to have faith that not everyone is out to rip people off.





    I plan on making NES reproductions (Of translations/MR GImmick etc) starting next year. And I plan on being as helpful as possible to anyone who asks, because I dont want to drive people away from this good community or hobby. I'm about the games, not so much about the collector aspect.



  • Originally posted by: EoTN




    Originally posted by: RegularGuyGamer



    Yo dawg, a NES running NES roms, emulating NES hardware, emulating NES software on your NES!

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    Someone correct me if Im wrong but isn't the powerpak being 100% accurate make it the same as your SE bootleg running 100% accurate. Its not the actual, original software. Sounds like your splitting hairs up there^^ The difference is the powerpak doesn't have SE or F2 label and can't be passed of as a $500+ game.







    Inserted that for you.

    LOL thank you! And let me be clear that I wasn't talking about HACKS, only REPRODUCTIONS. Not MegaMan in the Mushroom Kingdom, Little Samson bootleg in grey cart with a REPRODUCED label. That shit is weak and has no creativity to it at all.



  • Originally posted by: 3GenGames



    I'm a jerk/elitist* because I won't help you because most people who do this are there to scam people and make "real" games that are fake? Pot meet kettle.



    And also, tanooki that's what I am saying, we need to limit what we post out into the searchable forum to try to stop this crap and control it. And also, emulators are not illegal, neither is reproducing homebrews, but it hurts us directly. Wait until we have people selling games like Battle Kid on their own reproduction with the right case and crap, AND the same PCB. Won't that be great? The ROM is out there and it uses the same boards you can get on retrousb, so how many already exist?

    Oh you know you're a jerk.



    Anyway, I'm not much for limiting it.  Off site due to the rules but I've given people information on good papers and printers to use for making solid labels, but here it can be construed as helping someone make a like for like copy of a game label(which I'm good to do as I'm into restoration projects.)  Clearly emulators are not illegal (unless you use classified info from the creator to make it.)  Reproducing a true homebrew (Nomolos, Battle Kid, etc) is fantastic, fine and legal.  But if you're misuing the word reproducing for doing Mother 3, Super Mario Bros 2j, etc, that's not.  I'm certain there are people making their own battle kid carts, it would be super easy as would others since you have retrousb making shells and boards, and then infinitelives makes the boards too.  If people do it they do, if they don't they don't, but it's no better or worse than what people do here currently now jacking foreign games translated or not, making 'repros' of StarFox2, or whatever else.  It's all shady.

  • Originally posted by: Oddzball




    Originally posted by: 3GenGames



    I'm a jerk/elitist* because I won't help you because most people who do this are there to scam people and make "real" games that are fake? Pot meet kettle.



    And also, tanooki that's what I am saying, we need to limit what we post out into the searchable forum to try to stop this crap and control it. And also, emulators are not illegal, neither is reproducing homebrews, but it hurts us directly. Wait until we have people selling games like Battle Kid on their own reproduction with the right case and crap, AND the same PCB. Won't that be great? The ROM is out there and it uses the same boards you can get on retrousb, so how many already exist?





    Sometimes you have to have faith that not everyone is out to rip people off.





    I plan on making NES reproductions (Of translations/MR GImmick etc) starting next year. And I plan on being as helpful as possible to anyone who asks, because I dont want to drive people away from this good community or hobby. I'm about the games, not so much about the collector aspect.

     



    I work retail, I know how 10% of the people are there to fuck you over. I'm not gonna change what I have learned from a post on the internet. lol.



    And also, Tanooki, why in the world woul you say pirating Battle Kid is good? It's for sale on retrousb, what is wrong with you?
  • You read me wrong because I said reproducing. Making a game like that is fine, they own it lock stock and barrel, so it's not peddling something like Gradius II which is Konami's. Again why I have good reason in my thing on saying this shit should be called bootlegs, it's a confusion thing.
  • "Reproducing" implies there was an original production, so thats where the confusion comes from. A new homebrew would be just a production, not a reproduction. Of course when people can't even get repo vs repro correct there is no hope!
  • Hahaha no kidding. I find it sad when that typo pops up or worse when someone thinks that is what it is. What you've done for Battle Kid and Nomolos, clearly those are productions and admirable. The other stuff though they're not reproductions, they're bootlegs really as it's not reproducing and existing product as much as trashing an existing game or using not the same but similar replacement new parts to get the same effect.
  • Wow, my first post has got a lot of reactions on here.

    I didn't mean to do that.

    I really would like to make my own reproduction of several games.



    It is awesome to say: I own a copy of Little Samson and made it myself



    I can understand that is hard to believe.



    I will search the internet for the information I need.



    Thanks!
  • One more in the mix Check out this thread

    http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=115791

    A guy paid retail for some bootlegs.

  • Originally posted by: JHAOC



    Wow, my first post has got a lot of reactions on here.

    I didn't mean to do that.

    I really would like to make my own reproduction of several games.



    It is awesome to say: I own a copy of Little Samson and made it myself



    I can understand that is hard to believe.



    I will search the internet for the information I need.



    Thanks!

    Congratulations on saving yourself from greed hell on that one.  I wish I had the equipment and skills and I'd do it too as I like that game a lot.  At least you're taking the right perspective with it, ask elsewhere.



    Regularguygamer: So?  That's his fault for not doing proper research.  It's not our job to be the internet police.  As with anything where people make copies from cards, books, handbags, and so on, you need to know what you're doing or accept the consequences of your actions.
  • You can only do so much research looking at the outside of something, that's why this happens.
  • Oh well.



    That's really how I feel about it. Buyer beware. Buy from trusted sources and use places like ebay to screw any fraudsters and never use a paypal gift options, cash, or money orders. Buy in person if possible and inspect it before getting something of value. It's common sense and people should still be held liable for using that instead of nanny state coddling.
  • Honestly Tanooki, I would typically agree with where you're coming from but a repro for Little Samson is too much and unneeded. Thats a classic example of the perks of a flash cart. The game can be found by someone somewhere still for $5-10 or unseen in a lot. And even if you made LS repros, I could see it being safe as you seem to be a rather honest guy and are such a long time enthusiast. But some random guy pumping then out @ 1:1 is bullshit and I gota say it. Although i whole heartedly see where you're coming from and personally don't have a problem with 90% of the repro market.
  • Well if someone wanted just one game, or they completely dislike flash media that would be then a viable alternative other than pissing $500 or so on a solitary cartridge is all I'm saying. You're entirely right it could happen in some lot where it's unseen, but with more and more people out there trying to squeeze every last cent out of a 'find' we're getting up into the lotto numbers now, not the powerball yet but it's climbing. Honestly if I bought the parts from infinitelives or whatever, I could do it sure, but even if I wanted to do it I'm not sure I'd do more than one for myself. I'd find more benefit in having the equipment for tinkering so the investment would be sound. Yeah I'd make a Samson, game is awesome, but I'd also probably make a few of those famicom conversions like retrousb had as I still can't track down Kid Dracula. And you're right, I'm fairly honest and have been in it since the 80s which is why the prices nauseate me so, so no I wouldn't start mass printing them as an easy pay check as tempting as that might be. I have no issues with the repro market other than calling them that, they're bootlegs, and I have no shame in support of them, and own them for NES, SNES and GBA.
  • The biggest issue with making repros out of PowerPaks and other similar cartridges is their prohibitive costs. Not sure if it'd be possible to disable the menus if there is only one game on the flash card, but there's also that.

  • Originally posted by: Oddzball




    Originally posted by: Tanooki




    Originally posted by: 3GenGames



    And also, I can most definitely tell them not to do illegal things with their property, lol.



    Well then your' a hypocrite I guess.  You're fine telling people not to do illegal stuff making their own bootleg of a US game, but it's ok to refer them to a powerpak, emulator and roms, or other stuff.  Good that's been cleared up.



    If people ask for help it should be given or ignored, not persecuted.

    I tried once here to ask about a good chip programmer that works with USB and windows 7 64bit and it was like pulling teeth. You have some REALLY nice folks(jjrepro for example) out on this forum willing to help, but it's like a lot of other repro makers intentionally try to derail the thread to keep their "secrets" or are trying to be elitetist about it, and belittle you or act like jerks whenever a simple question is asked.



     

    I wish I could help point people towards a good programmer, but there is so much junk out there and its really hard to get the junk working on windows 7/usb/ 64 bit.




  • I would like to show you, I selled some stuff and bought something.

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    Please do not go on with arguing.

    every1 has an opinion and mine is that making a reproduction for home use with a big mark on it which sais reproduction is ok.

    If it is not allowed on here, I respect that.

    Every1 who makes reproductions for selling them as an original, should be getting a really big fine.



    I would feel terrible if I bought a reproduction for a retail original item.



    please look @ my FT items on the forum.



    these are all official items.



    Gr. JHAOC
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