Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
I don't think JosephLeo or the others were suggesting a bidding conspiracy. Just a bunch of people who felt the need to drive up an auction on a whim. Not exactly the type of bidders I want on my auctions.
Did all the free advertising slip your mind as well? Where is that going to come from?
It would be the exact same cart that started this mess. There's a decent chance of a news follow up at some point. You hit up some of the outlets that ran the original story. They may actually get some of the details right this time around.
But honestly, I think once all the fake bidders are weeded out, we'll find out the true value of that cart.
Did you believe I was unaware that it was the same exact cart? That fact should be obvious, which is exactly what potentially makes it such a good deal. Some of the advertising has already been done which may make this cart worth even more than a pristine NWC. However creating the same type of draw a second time around isn't nearly as likely. Nor is it likely that most of the serious bidders are now willing to purchase it even if they were before. Ebay sellers who've had non-paying bidders before should understand this phenomenon quite well.
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
I don't think JosephLeo or the others were suggesting a bidding conspiracy. Just a bunch of people who felt the need to drive up an auction on a whim. Not exactly the type of bidders I want on my auctions.
It's hard to tell considering many of these same people claimed conspiracy regarding a 5 screw stadium events on little more than a hunch. That's why proof is so important. To say that 'everyone who bid over a certain amount is a fraud' is a serious charge. It requires more than hunches. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And this holds true regardless of the charge of conspiracy or fraud.
It's hard to tell considering many of these same people claimed conspiracy regarding a 5 screw stadium events on little more than a hunch. That's why proof is so important. To say that 'everyone who bid over a certain amount is a fraud' is a serious charge. It requires more than hunches. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And this holds true regardless of the charge of conspiracy or fraud.
It's easy to find out. Muresan goes down the list of bidders and offers it to each of them at their highest bid. Those who back out are frauds. Might not catch all of them, but I bet it knocks down a good chunk.
This does suck. I feel for Muresan. The negative effects this can have of the collecting community are also unnerving. I'm not by any means a "hardcore" collector, but I AM a collector. I go to garage sales and other places looking for games that I can enjoy and add to my collection. It's rough going now... sales are swarming with resellers that have absolutely no interest in the genre just looking to cash in. They're rude, shameless and just a unpleasant to be around. I often see people flipping through games with their cellphone scanners right in front of the seller. I do NOT want more of these pests swarming over this hobby.
Did you believe I was unaware that it was the same exact cart? That fact should be obvious, which is exactly what potentially makes it such a good deal. Some of the advertising has already been done which may make this cart worth even more than a pristine NWC. However creating the same type of draw a second time around isn't nearly as likely.
Then you don't treat it as a "second time around," but a continuation of the first. Strike while the iron is hot. It's still in the news right now, and it's doubtful anyone outside of NA knows the whole story. Just sayin', if you think the cart is worth more than what they normally go for, now's the time to work a deal with Muresan.
Did all the free advertising slip your mind as well? Where is that going to come from?
It would be the exact same cart that started this mess. There's a decent chance of a news follow up at some point. You hit up some of the outlets that ran the original story. They may actually get some of the details right this time around.
But honestly, I think once all the fake bidders are weeded out, we'll find out the true value of that cart.
Did you believe I was unaware that it was the same exact cart? That fact should be obvious, which is exactly what potentially makes it such a good deal. Some of the advertising has already been done which may make this cart worth even more than a pristine NWC. However creating the same type of draw a second time around isn't nearly as likely. Nor is it likely that most of the serious bidders are now willing to purchase it even if they were before. Ebay sellers who've had non-paying bidders before should understand this phenomenon quite well.
Word. According to eBay policy, 2nd, 3rd placed bidders and so on are under no obligation to accept "second chance" offers. While I believe many would be willing to accept "2nd chance", many would likely refuse if they had reasonable doubt that they would not have won the item in question for a lower amount were it not for previous shill bidders. For example, suppose seven bidders bid up an item. Suppose the 3rd, 6th, and 7th bidders were serious, but the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th bidders were trolls. Imagine there is a large gap between the 6th bidder's max and the 3rd bidder's max, and another large gap between the 3rd bidder and the winning bid, due largely to bidding wars between the bidders 1 & 2 as well as 4 & 5. If you give the 3rd place bidder a 2nd chance offer, that second chance bar will be set by the 4th and 5th bidder's shill bids. In an alternate reality where shill bidding does not exist, the amount the 3rd bidder would need to pay should have been set drastically lower, closer to the price set by legit bidders 6 and 7. As a result, in auctions run rampant by fraudulent bids, the top serious buyer, will have much greater odds of getting a good deal by waiting for the seller to relist the item rather than settling for an inflated 2nd offer.
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
It's hard to tell considering many of these same people claimed conspiracy regarding a 5 screw stadium events on little more than a hunch. That's why proof is so important. To say that 'everyone who bid over a certain amount is a fraud' is a serious charge. It requires more than hunches. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And this holds true regardless of the charge of conspiracy or fraud.
It's easy to find out. Muresan goes down the list of bidders and offers it to each of them at their highest bid. Those who back out are frauds. Might not catch all of them, but I bet it knocks down a good chunk.
^^See my previous post. It's a good idea, but on eBay, the price paid is set by the max of the next highest bidder. With the number of shills in this auction, it is plausible that the highest serious bidder may have payed significantly less than his/her max if the shill BS bids underneath him/her could be somehow weeded out. Figuring out this shitstorm or what the genuine high bidder should ultimately pay is not an easy task. It would be easier and fairer at this point to relist and hope the trolls stay in their caves the second time around. Please bear in mind that all 6000+ followers will be alerted when/if the auction relists. Most of those people are simply lurkers, followed by the trolls, and lastly a small handful of serious buyers.
It's hard to tell considering many of these same people claimed conspiracy regarding a 5 screw stadium events on little more than a hunch. That's why proof is so important. To say that 'everyone who bid over a certain amount is a fraud' is a serious charge. It requires more than hunches. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And this holds true regardless of the charge of conspiracy or fraud.
It's easy to find out. Muresan goes down the list of bidders and offers it to each of them at their highest bid. Those who back out are frauds. Might not catch all of them, but I bet it knocks down a good chunk.
No that's what we call a hasty generalization. This is often centered in a confirmatory bias.
Someone may have had the full intent to pay $6,000 for this cart, but now would like to pursue other avenues. You know, like the ones that just popped up on ebay right after this auction ended.
Not to mention the fact that on ebay, getting bidders to pay for an auction that they believe they lost is quite rare in itself.
Did you believe I was unaware that it was the same exact cart? That fact should be obvious, which is exactly what potentially makes it such a good deal. Some of the advertising has already been done which may make this cart worth even more than a pristine NWC. However creating the same type of draw a second time around isn't nearly as likely.
Then you don't treat it as a "second time around," but a continuation of the first. Strike while the iron is hot. It's still in the news right now, and it's doubtful anyone outside of NA knows the whole story. Just sayin', if you think the cart is worth more than what they normally go for, now's the time to work a deal with Muresan.
Why would I treat it as something differently than it actually is? It's not as if an individual treating it as a continuation of the first is going have have any effect on the fundamentals whatsoever. That's not sound logic, let alone economics.
Someone may have had the full intent to pay $6,000 for this cart, but now would like to pursue other avenues. You know, like the ones that just popped up on ebay right after this auction ended.
Very good point. Now there are other fish in the sea. That 314 gray "PI" cart is looking very attractive right now.
Anyone else notice both of the new NWC listings have the description, "As you can see by the pictures, this is an authentic" ... The gaming community has been shit on. This hobby (which used to be fun!!) over the past few years has just made me even more bitter than I already am..
And we are the ones that shit on it
How do you figure?! You hyped up the game in the media? You put outrageous bids on ebay with no plans to follow through with payment? I'm assuming you're the type who finds good deals and offers more money than asking price. All I've ever done was go to yard sales and buy people's old games they didn't want.
lol no way, I HATE when people that do that...."they only wanted $5 for a box of rare NES games but I offered $50 so I could sleep at night" , then come on here and brag about it.
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
Did all the free advertising slip your mind as well? Where is that going to come from?
It would be the exact same cart that started this mess. There's a decent chance of a news follow up at some point. You hit up some of the outlets that ran the original story. They may actually get some of the details right this time around.
But honestly, I think once all the fake bidders are weeded out, we'll find out the true value of that cart.
Did you believe I was unaware that it was the same exact cart? That fact should be obvious, which is exactly what potentially makes it such a good deal. Some of the advertising has already been done which may make this cart worth even more than a pristine NWC. However creating the same type of draw a second time around isn't nearly as likely. Nor is it likely that most of the serious bidders are now willing to purchase it even if they were before. Ebay sellers who've had non-paying bidders before should understand this phenomenon quite well.
Word. According to eBay policy, 2nd, 3rd placed bidders and so on are under no obligation to accept "second chance" offers. While I believe many would be willing to accept "2nd chance", many would likely refuse if they had reasonable doubt that they would not have won the item in question for a lower amount were it not for previous shill bidders. For example, suppose seven bidders bid up an item. Suppose the 3rd, 6th, and 7th bidders were serious, but the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th bidders were trolls. Imagine there is a large gap between the 6th bidder's max and the 3rd bidder's max, and another large gap between the 3rd bidder and the winning bid, due largely to bidding wars between the bidders 1 & 2 as well as 4 & 5. If you give the 3rd place bidder a 2nd chance offer, that second chance bar will be set by the 4th and 5th bidder's shill bids. In an alternate reality where shill bidding does not exist, the amount the 3rd bidder would need to pay should have been set drastically lower, closer to the price set by legit bidders 6 and 7. As a result, in auctions run rampant by fraudulent bids, the top serious buyer, will have much greater odds of getting a good deal by waiting for the seller to relist the item rather than settling for an inflated 2nd offer.
Right, there are a myriad of factors to consider here. Considering the fact that nobody knows who the non-winning shill bidders actually were, or even if there were any at all, it makes the 2nd chance offers scenario quite convoluted.
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
Wow, why are you so condescending? What's your point about out flat questionning my integrity, over-interpreting my views, picking me on about the use of short-cut words? We're all in the expectative about the situation. You're the one twisting around the context like you're the only one around understanding what's going on. You've outtalked guys that are interested in the specific subject at hand just like you were the no.1 ressource about it all of a sudden.
Nobody claims to know the absolute truth about this bidding, but we're all wise enough to sit on this and see how the situation unfolds. You're stirring up something that might not even worth it, you're the one coming up with a $25k+ expectations that might just be wrong.
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
After going through your posts again, the only thing that makes sense is that you are getting ready to sell a NWC cart soon...? If so congrats, you certainly added to th hype train. Maybe all of these people you referenced that have no idea regarding the actual value of the cart, but have been drawn to the auction from advertising will pay you more than you should get for your cart.....send me the crow via priority.
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
What part of what you wrote do you believe applies to what you responded to? And yes I'm aware of your likely inclination to say all of it. So if you'd like to critique what you quoted, then go ahead and do so. Anyone can throw around red herrings and ad hominems without proving a single thing.
If all points of contention were realistically settled on the declaration of "I'm right and you're wrong", then what's the use of proof?
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
Wow, why are you so condescending? What's your point about out flat questionning my integrity, over-interpreting my views, picking me on about the use of short-cut words? We're all in the expectative about the situation. You're the one twisting around the context like you're the only one around understanding what's going on. You've outtalked guys that are interested in the specific subject at hand just like you were the no.1 ressource about it all of a sudden.
Nobody claims to know the absolute truth about this bidding, but we're all wise enough to sit on this and see how the situation unfolds. You're stirring up something that might not even worth it, you're the one coming up with a $25k+ expectations that might just be wrong.
Lively conversation is typically replete with points and counterpoints. Is it not? That doesn't have anything to do with your integrity in my mind. I'm not questioning your integrity, but rather your logic and verbiage. Care to address my points regarding it rather than sidestep them?
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
What part of what you wrote do you believe applies to what you responded to? And yes I'm aware of your likely inclination to say all of it. So if you'd like to critique what you quoted, then go ahead and do so. Anyone can throw around red herrings and ad hominems without proving a single thing. ORLY?
If all points of contention were realistically settled on the declaration of "I'm right and you're wrong", then what's the use of proof?
Well, the from the post I directly quoted, see above in red. Nice try to use ad hominem to distract from my overall point though, the FACT is that you have used nothing but prejudice to justify these crazy prices on the auction throughout a large number of posts. Let's see this proof that you claim to need to back up your arguments? My proof on the value of this cart is based on many actual data points, not speculation.
And "inclination to say all of it"? Nice generalization....try again.
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
Wow, why are you so condescending? What's your point about out flat questionning my integrity, over-interpreting my views, picking me on about the use of short-cut words? We're all in the expectative about the situation. You're the one twisting around the context like you're the only one around understanding what's going on. You've outtalked guys that are interested in the specific subject at hand just like you were the no.1 ressource about it all of a sudden.
Nobody claims to know the absolute truth about this bidding, but we're all wise enough to sit on this and see how the situation unfolds. You're stirring up something that might not even worth it, you're the one coming up with a $25k+ expectations that might just be wrong.
Lively conversation is typically replete with points and counterpoints. Is it not? That doesn't have anything to do with your integrity in my mind. I'm not questioning your integrity, but rather your logic and verbiage. Care to address my points regarding it rather than sidestep them?
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
After going through your posts again, the only thing that makes sense is that you are getting ready to sell a NWC cart soon...? If so congrats, you certainly added to th hype train. Maybe all of these people you referenced that have no idea regarding the actual value of the cart, but have been drawn to the auction from advertising will pay you more than you should get for your cart.....send me the crow via priority.
Are you talking to me? If so, and if that's the only thing that makes sense to you, then perhaps you've stopped short of thinking of viable alternatives? I don't own a NWC. And no this isn't some conspiracy to sell one. What's with all the conspiracy-like theories around here anyway?
I do however like a lively conversation; especially regarding topics where popular opinion may not be based in rationality, but in dogma. This is doubly so when it involves markets and macroeconomics, which are among the least understood and most highly debated of all the disciplines that still remain.
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
After going through your posts again, the only thing that makes sense is that you are getting ready to sell a NWC cart soon...? If so congrats, you certainly added to th hype train. Maybe all of these people you referenced that have no idea regarding the actual value of the cart, but have been drawn to the auction from advertising will pay you more than you should get for your cart.....send me the crow via priority.
Are you talking to me? If so, and if that's the only thing that makes sense to you, then perhaps you've stopped short of thinking of viable alternatives? I don't own a NWC. And no this isn't some conspiracy to sell one. What's with all the conspiracy-like theories around here anyway?
I do however like a lively conversation; especially regarding topics where popular opinion may not be based in rationality, but in dogma. This is doubly so when it involves markets and macroeconomics, which are among the least understood and most highly debated of all the disciplines that still remain.
The point is that no other "viable alternative" makes sense, but once again, thanks for generalizing. I am really starting to question your intelligence....conspiracy theory? The only conspiracy theory is you trying to justify a beat up NWC selling for almost 100K. And Dogma in this argument....get real.
Your attempt at using macroeconomics and general economic theory to rationalize a sale like this is laughable. Adam Smith is rolling in his grave < see what I did there!?!
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
Wow, why are you so condescending? What's your point about out flat questionning my integrity, over-interpreting my views, picking me on about the use of short-cut words? We're all in the expectative about the situation. You're the one twisting around the context like you're the only one around understanding what's going on. You've outtalked guys that are interested in the specific subject at hand just like you were the no.1 ressource about it all of a sudden.
Nobody claims to know the absolute truth about this bidding, but we're all wise enough to sit on this and see how the situation unfolds. You're stirring up something that might not even worth it, you're the one coming up with a $25k+ expectations that might just be wrong.
Lively conversation is typically replete with points and counterpoints. Is it not? That doesn't have anything to do with your integrity in my mind. I'm not questioning your integrity, but rather your logic and verbiage. Care to address my points regarding it rather than sidestep them?
Tu ne vaux même pas la peine que je fasse l'effort de transcrire mes pensées en anglais.,
Justement, une discusiion s'instaure sur des points qui sont apportés par les autres, et non déduits par ta maladive habitude à extirper des conclusions générales à ce que les gens soutiennent dans leur discours.
Ma logique et mon arguentation? Est-ce que tu veux rire de moi? Qui est le pédant qui balance des théroies économiques sur une question aussi spécifique que la valeur d'un jeu vidéo? Désolé, mais le contexte économique qui entoure ce jeu, précisément, est connu des gens auxquels tu réponds. C'est plutôt la façon dont tu présentes tes hypothèses et tes conclusions qui sont risibles, parce qu'au fond, tu ne sais pas de quoi tu parles exactement. Ce n'est pas un problème général, mais un problème spécifique. Tous tes arguments nous indiquent que tu n'es pas conscient de la situation spécifique. Dans le fond, tes un débutant, c'est ça ton problème, peu importe les deux trois fondations conceptuelles sur lesquelles tu bases ton argument dépassé, t'es un débutant, et tu passes à côté du point.
Maintenant, fais nous plaisir, prend une chaise à ta hauteur, et essai de nous parler sur ton approprié.
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Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
I don't think JosephLeo or the others were suggesting a bidding conspiracy. Just a bunch of people who felt the need to drive up an auction on a whim. Not exactly the type of bidders I want on my auctions.
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Did all the free advertising slip your mind as well? Where is that going to come from?
It would be the exact same cart that started this mess. There's a decent chance of a news follow up at some point. You hit up some of the outlets that ran the original story. They may actually get some of the details right this time around.
But honestly, I think once all the fake bidders are weeded out, we'll find out the true value of that cart.
Did you believe I was unaware that it was the same exact cart? That fact should be obvious, which is exactly what potentially makes it such a good deal. Some of the advertising has already been done which may make this cart worth even more than a pristine NWC. However creating the same type of draw a second time around isn't nearly as likely. Nor is it likely that most of the serious bidders are now willing to purchase it even if they were before. Ebay sellers who've had non-paying bidders before should understand this phenomenon quite well.
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
I don't think JosephLeo or the others were suggesting a bidding conspiracy. Just a bunch of people who felt the need to drive up an auction on a whim. Not exactly the type of bidders I want on my auctions.
It's hard to tell considering many of these same people claimed conspiracy regarding a 5 screw stadium events on little more than a hunch. That's why proof is so important. To say that 'everyone who bid over a certain amount is a fraud' is a serious charge. It requires more than hunches. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And this holds true regardless of the charge of conspiracy or fraud.
Originally posted by: Revel8
It's hard to tell considering many of these same people claimed conspiracy regarding a 5 screw stadium events on little more than a hunch. That's why proof is so important. To say that 'everyone who bid over a certain amount is a fraud' is a serious charge. It requires more than hunches. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And this holds true regardless of the charge of conspiracy or fraud.
It's easy to find out. Muresan goes down the list of bidders and offers it to each of them at their highest bid. Those who back out are frauds. Might not catch all of them, but I bet it knocks down a good chunk.
Originally posted by: Revel8
Did you believe I was unaware that it was the same exact cart? That fact should be obvious, which is exactly what potentially makes it such a good deal. Some of the advertising has already been done which may make this cart worth even more than a pristine NWC. However creating the same type of draw a second time around isn't nearly as likely.
Then you don't treat it as a "second time around," but a continuation of the first. Strike while the iron is hot. It's still in the news right now, and it's doubtful anyone outside of NA knows the whole story. Just sayin', if you think the cart is worth more than what they normally go for, now's the time to work a deal with Muresan.
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Did all the free advertising slip your mind as well? Where is that going to come from?
It would be the exact same cart that started this mess. There's a decent chance of a news follow up at some point. You hit up some of the outlets that ran the original story. They may actually get some of the details right this time around.
But honestly, I think once all the fake bidders are weeded out, we'll find out the true value of that cart.
Did you believe I was unaware that it was the same exact cart? That fact should be obvious, which is exactly what potentially makes it such a good deal. Some of the advertising has already been done which may make this cart worth even more than a pristine NWC. However creating the same type of draw a second time around isn't nearly as likely. Nor is it likely that most of the serious bidders are now willing to purchase it even if they were before. Ebay sellers who've had non-paying bidders before should understand this phenomenon quite well.
Word. According to eBay policy, 2nd, 3rd placed bidders and so on are under no obligation to accept "second chance" offers. While I believe many would be willing to accept "2nd chance", many would likely refuse if they had reasonable doubt that they would not have won the item in question for a lower amount were it not for previous shill bidders. For example, suppose seven bidders bid up an item. Suppose the 3rd, 6th, and 7th bidders were serious, but the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th bidders were trolls. Imagine there is a large gap between the 6th bidder's max and the 3rd bidder's max, and another large gap between the 3rd bidder and the winning bid, due largely to bidding wars between the bidders 1 & 2 as well as 4 & 5. If you give the 3rd place bidder a 2nd chance offer, that second chance bar will be set by the 4th and 5th bidder's shill bids. In an alternate reality where shill bidding does not exist, the amount the 3rd bidder would need to pay should have been set drastically lower, closer to the price set by legit bidders 6 and 7. As a result, in auctions run rampant by fraudulent bids, the top serious buyer, will have much greater odds of getting a good deal by waiting for the seller to relist the item rather than settling for an inflated 2nd offer.
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
It's hard to tell considering many of these same people claimed conspiracy regarding a 5 screw stadium events on little more than a hunch. That's why proof is so important. To say that 'everyone who bid over a certain amount is a fraud' is a serious charge. It requires more than hunches. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And this holds true regardless of the charge of conspiracy or fraud.
It's easy to find out. Muresan goes down the list of bidders and offers it to each of them at their highest bid. Those who back out are frauds. Might not catch all of them, but I bet it knocks down a good chunk.
^^See my previous post. It's a good idea, but on eBay, the price paid is set by the max of the next highest bidder. With the number of shills in this auction, it is plausible that the highest serious bidder may have payed significantly less than his/her max if the shill BS bids underneath him/her could be somehow weeded out. Figuring out this shitstorm or what the genuine high bidder should ultimately pay is not an easy task. It would be easier and fairer at this point to relist and hope the trolls stay in their caves the second time around. Please bear in mind that all 6000+ followers will be alerted when/if the auction relists. Most of those people are simply lurkers, followed by the trolls, and lastly a small handful of serious buyers.
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
It's hard to tell considering many of these same people claimed conspiracy regarding a 5 screw stadium events on little more than a hunch. That's why proof is so important. To say that 'everyone who bid over a certain amount is a fraud' is a serious charge. It requires more than hunches. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And this holds true regardless of the charge of conspiracy or fraud.
It's easy to find out. Muresan goes down the list of bidders and offers it to each of them at their highest bid. Those who back out are frauds. Might not catch all of them, but I bet it knocks down a good chunk.
No that's what we call a hasty generalization. This is often centered in a confirmatory bias.
Someone may have had the full intent to pay $6,000 for this cart, but now would like to pursue other avenues. You know, like the ones that just popped up on ebay right after this auction ended.
Not to mention the fact that on ebay, getting bidders to pay for an auction that they believe they lost is quite rare in itself.
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Did you believe I was unaware that it was the same exact cart? That fact should be obvious, which is exactly what potentially makes it such a good deal. Some of the advertising has already been done which may make this cart worth even more than a pristine NWC. However creating the same type of draw a second time around isn't nearly as likely.
Then you don't treat it as a "second time around," but a continuation of the first. Strike while the iron is hot. It's still in the news right now, and it's doubtful anyone outside of NA knows the whole story. Just sayin', if you think the cart is worth more than what they normally go for, now's the time to work a deal with Muresan.
Why would I treat it as something differently than it actually is? It's not as if an individual treating it as a continuation of the first is going have have any effect on the fundamentals whatsoever. That's not sound logic, let alone economics.
Originally posted by: Revel8
Someone may have had the full intent to pay $6,000 for this cart, but now would like to pursue other avenues. You know, like the ones that just popped up on ebay right after this auction ended.
Very good point. Now there are other fish in the sea. That 314 gray "PI" cart is looking very attractive right now.
Originally posted by: Johnny5alive
Originally posted by: ZachAttack
Originally posted by: Johnny5alive
Anyone else notice both of the new NWC listings have the description, "As you can see by the pictures, this is an authentic" ... The gaming community has been shit on. This hobby (which used to be fun!!) over the past few years has just made me even more bitter than I already am..
And we are the ones that shit on it
How do you figure?! You hyped up the game in the media? You put outrageous bids on ebay with no plans to follow through with payment? I'm assuming you're the type who finds good deals and offers more money than asking price. All I've ever done was go to yard sales and buy people's old games they didn't want.
lol no way, I HATE when people that do that...."they only wanted $5 for a box of rare NES games but I offered $50 so I could sleep at night" , then come on here and brag about it.
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
Originally posted by: stardust4ever
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Did all the free advertising slip your mind as well? Where is that going to come from?
It would be the exact same cart that started this mess. There's a decent chance of a news follow up at some point. You hit up some of the outlets that ran the original story. They may actually get some of the details right this time around.
But honestly, I think once all the fake bidders are weeded out, we'll find out the true value of that cart.
Did you believe I was unaware that it was the same exact cart? That fact should be obvious, which is exactly what potentially makes it such a good deal. Some of the advertising has already been done which may make this cart worth even more than a pristine NWC. However creating the same type of draw a second time around isn't nearly as likely. Nor is it likely that most of the serious bidders are now willing to purchase it even if they were before. Ebay sellers who've had non-paying bidders before should understand this phenomenon quite well.
Word. According to eBay policy, 2nd, 3rd placed bidders and so on are under no obligation to accept "second chance" offers. While I believe many would be willing to accept "2nd chance", many would likely refuse if they had reasonable doubt that they would not have won the item in question for a lower amount were it not for previous shill bidders. For example, suppose seven bidders bid up an item. Suppose the 3rd, 6th, and 7th bidders were serious, but the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th bidders were trolls. Imagine there is a large gap between the 6th bidder's max and the 3rd bidder's max, and another large gap between the 3rd bidder and the winning bid, due largely to bidding wars between the bidders 1 & 2 as well as 4 & 5. If you give the 3rd place bidder a 2nd chance offer, that second chance bar will be set by the 4th and 5th bidder's shill bids. In an alternate reality where shill bidding does not exist, the amount the 3rd bidder would need to pay should have been set drastically lower, closer to the price set by legit bidders 6 and 7. As a result, in auctions run rampant by fraudulent bids, the top serious buyer, will have much greater odds of getting a good deal by waiting for the seller to relist the item rather than settling for an inflated 2nd offer.
Right, there are a myriad of factors to consider here. Considering the fact that nobody knows who the non-winning shill bidders actually were, or even if there were any at all, it makes the 2nd chance offers scenario quite convoluted.
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
Wow, why are you so condescending? What's your point about out flat questionning my integrity, over-interpreting my views, picking me on about the use of short-cut words? We're all in the expectative about the situation. You're the one twisting around the context like you're the only one around understanding what's going on. You've outtalked guys that are interested in the specific subject at hand just like you were the no.1 ressource about it all of a sudden.
Nobody claims to know the absolute truth about this bidding, but we're all wise enough to sit on this and see how the situation unfolds. You're stirring up something that might not even worth it, you're the one coming up with a $25k+ expectations that might just be wrong.
Originally posted by: doner24
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
After going through your posts again, the only thing that makes sense is that you are getting ready to sell a NWC cart soon...? If so congrats, you certainly added to th hype train. Maybe all of these people you referenced that have no idea regarding the actual value of the cart, but have been drawn to the auction from advertising will pay you more than you should get for your cart.....send me the crow via priority.
Originally posted by: doner24
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
What part of what you wrote do you believe applies to what you responded to? And yes I'm aware of your likely inclination to say all of it. So if you'd like to critique what you quoted, then go ahead and do so. Anyone can throw around red herrings and ad hominems without proving a single thing.
If all points of contention were realistically settled on the declaration of "I'm right and you're wrong", then what's the use of proof?
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
Wow, why are you so condescending? What's your point about out flat questionning my integrity, over-interpreting my views, picking me on about the use of short-cut words? We're all in the expectative about the situation. You're the one twisting around the context like you're the only one around understanding what's going on. You've outtalked guys that are interested in the specific subject at hand just like you were the no.1 ressource about it all of a sudden.
Nobody claims to know the absolute truth about this bidding, but we're all wise enough to sit on this and see how the situation unfolds. You're stirring up something that might not even worth it, you're the one coming up with a $25k+ expectations that might just be wrong.
Lively conversation is typically replete with points and counterpoints. Is it not? That doesn't have anything to do with your integrity in my mind. I'm not questioning your integrity, but rather your logic and verbiage. Care to address my points regarding it rather than sidestep them?
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: doner24
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
What part of what you wrote do you believe applies to what you responded to? And yes I'm aware of your likely inclination to say all of it. So if you'd like to critique what you quoted, then go ahead and do so. Anyone can throw around red herrings and ad hominems without proving a single thing. ORLY?
If all points of contention were realistically settled on the declaration of "I'm right and you're wrong", then what's the use of proof?
Well, the from the post I directly quoted, see above in red. Nice try to use ad hominem to distract from my overall point though, the FACT is that you have used nothing but prejudice to justify these crazy prices on the auction throughout a large number of posts. Let's see this proof that you claim to need to back up your arguments? My proof on the value of this cart is based on many actual data points, not speculation.
And "inclination to say all of it"? Nice generalization....try again.
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
Wow, why are you so condescending? What's your point about out flat questionning my integrity, over-interpreting my views, picking me on about the use of short-cut words? We're all in the expectative about the situation. You're the one twisting around the context like you're the only one around understanding what's going on. You've outtalked guys that are interested in the specific subject at hand just like you were the no.1 ressource about it all of a sudden.
Nobody claims to know the absolute truth about this bidding, but we're all wise enough to sit on this and see how the situation unfolds. You're stirring up something that might not even worth it, you're the one coming up with a $25k+ expectations that might just be wrong.
Lively conversation is typically replete with points and counterpoints. Is it not? That doesn't have anything to do with your integrity in my mind. I'm not questioning your integrity, but rather your logic and verbiage. Care to address my points regarding it rather than sidestep them?
Bark three times if that is you MalcolmXY?
Originally posted by: doner24
Originally posted by: doner24
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
After going through your posts again, the only thing that makes sense is that you are getting ready to sell a NWC cart soon...? If so congrats, you certainly added to th hype train. Maybe all of these people you referenced that have no idea regarding the actual value of the cart, but have been drawn to the auction from advertising will pay you more than you should get for your cart.....send me the crow via priority.
Are you talking to me? If so, and if that's the only thing that makes sense to you, then perhaps you've stopped short of thinking of viable alternatives? I don't own a NWC. And no this isn't some conspiracy to sell one. What's with all the conspiracy-like theories around here anyway?
I do however like a lively conversation; especially regarding topics where popular opinion may not be based in rationality, but in dogma. This is doubly so when it involves markets and macroeconomics, which are among the least understood and most highly debated of all the disciplines that still remain.
Originally posted by: Jig
All this ostentatious philosophical blather is boring to shift through. Who cares. Let people have their opinions. Quit trying to win the internet.
+1 Thread has taken a turn for the worse.
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: doner24
Originally posted by: doner24
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
First off, preconceived prejudices is redundant. Next, your opinion on the value of this cart is the only one based on prejudice, i.e. a preconceived opinion not based on reason or actual experience....unlike most of the others that have opined in this thread.
Go ahead and throw some BS philosophical economic THEORY to try to prove your point....you're still wrong.
After going through your posts again, the only thing that makes sense is that you are getting ready to sell a NWC cart soon...? If so congrats, you certainly added to th hype train. Maybe all of these people you referenced that have no idea regarding the actual value of the cart, but have been drawn to the auction from advertising will pay you more than you should get for your cart.....send me the crow via priority.
Are you talking to me? If so, and if that's the only thing that makes sense to you, then perhaps you've stopped short of thinking of viable alternatives? I don't own a NWC. And no this isn't some conspiracy to sell one. What's with all the conspiracy-like theories around here anyway?
I do however like a lively conversation; especially regarding topics where popular opinion may not be based in rationality, but in dogma. This is doubly so when it involves markets and macroeconomics, which are among the least understood and most highly debated of all the disciplines that still remain.
The point is that no other "viable alternative" makes sense, but once again, thanks for generalizing. I am really starting to question your intelligence....conspiracy theory? The only conspiracy theory is you trying to justify a beat up NWC selling for almost 100K. And Dogma in this argument....get real.
Your attempt at using macroeconomics and general economic theory to rationalize a sale like this is laughable. Adam Smith is rolling in his grave < see what I did there!?!
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Revel8
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: Revel8
Though it would be nice to have actual proof of a large conspiracy perpetrated by dozens of different accounts and/or people. As with all conspiracy theories, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
No need for a conspiracy. Two words: mob mentality.
Agreed and exactly. Conspiracy isn't as likely as market fundamentals taking hold.
But does the fact that these bidders are all fakes need to be justified by a conspiracy? They could all be independant to each other and the auction would be the same. In fact, the excessive coverture of this auction is most probably what triggered this mass amount of joke bids. There are far more chances such advertising would bring fake bidders than new potential buyers. Let's not forget that the price a NWC sells for is commonly laughable to individuals that have no interest in old Nintendo games.
So now it's a "fact" that these bidders are all fakes? I'm sure you've got incontrovertible proof of this where others don't, correct?
Advertising typically brings people from all walks of life. Not just those people who conform to your preconceived prejudices. If what was posted regarding the numbers of views was accurate, then there were upwards of 200,000 views of this auction alone. In all likelihood, it largely brought those who were interested in video games and/or NES games.
Not to mention the fact that the price of artwork is commonly laughable to individuals who have no interest in art. Yet the worldwide debasement of currencies have driven the price of rare artwork through the roof as wealthy investors seek safe havens and investment potential. So it'd be nice to your incontrovertible proof that this isn't the case and that they're all frauds.
Wow, why are you so condescending? What's your point about out flat questionning my integrity, over-interpreting my views, picking me on about the use of short-cut words? We're all in the expectative about the situation. You're the one twisting around the context like you're the only one around understanding what's going on. You've outtalked guys that are interested in the specific subject at hand just like you were the no.1 ressource about it all of a sudden.
Nobody claims to know the absolute truth about this bidding, but we're all wise enough to sit on this and see how the situation unfolds. You're stirring up something that might not even worth it, you're the one coming up with a $25k+ expectations that might just be wrong.
Lively conversation is typically replete with points and counterpoints. Is it not? That doesn't have anything to do with your integrity in my mind. I'm not questioning your integrity, but rather your logic and verbiage. Care to address my points regarding it rather than sidestep them?
Tu ne vaux même pas la peine que je fasse l'effort de transcrire mes pensées en anglais.,
Justement, une discusiion s'instaure sur des points qui sont apportés par les autres, et non déduits par ta maladive habitude à extirper des conclusions générales à ce que les gens soutiennent dans leur discours.
Ma logique et mon arguentation? Est-ce que tu veux rire de moi? Qui est le pédant qui balance des théroies économiques sur une question aussi spécifique que la valeur d'un jeu vidéo? Désolé, mais le contexte économique qui entoure ce jeu, précisément, est connu des gens auxquels tu réponds. C'est plutôt la façon dont tu présentes tes hypothèses et tes conclusions qui sont risibles, parce qu'au fond, tu ne sais pas de quoi tu parles exactement. Ce n'est pas un problème général, mais un problème spécifique. Tous tes arguments nous indiquent que tu n'es pas conscient de la situation spécifique. Dans le fond, tes un débutant, c'est ça ton problème, peu importe les deux trois fondations conceptuelles sur lesquelles tu bases ton argument dépassé, t'es un débutant, et tu passes à côté du point.
Maintenant, fais nous plaisir, prend une chaise à ta hauteur, et essai de nous parler sur ton approprié.