This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
^^^^ this x 1000. I loved the crap out of season 1-4........i was so dissapointed in this season i was so underwhealmed and bored this season. The story is so spaced now with characters i dont give a crap about mostly including about 1/3 of this whole season was the most annoying character aria and that dumb mumbo jumbo about 2 faced god. I was thinking ok the last episode will make up for it and it was just a bunch of shock and awe crap again with no substance. My brother in law read all the books to date and said it is totally different now so they are not making this crap to follow the books they just made a crap season.
Also i wish there was no fantasy stuff i.e. , white walkers, ghost babies. wish it was all possible that this couldve happened 2000 years ago. Starting to remind me of return of the king where they fight and fight and then..... a ghost army kills all the orcs. Great
I am told vikings is awesome and ill try that
wish there was no fantasy stuff? so no dragons or any magic? Thats one of the biggest parts of the show. Its a fantasy show. Its not medieval history. geez
Why are you even watching it then? The show is no different from seasons 1-4 imo. If you arent a book reader the show literally feels no different. Feels like people say this crap anytime something becomes very popular
" I liked the first few seasons, but now I just feel its not any good" ......Everyone says this now. It becomes a cliche at some point.
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
^^^^ this x 1000. I loved the crap out of season 1-4........i was so dissapointed in this season i was so underwhealmed and bored this season. The story is so spaced now with characters i dont give a crap about mostly including about 1/3 of this whole season was the most annoying character aria and that dumb mumbo jumbo about 2 faced god. I was thinking ok the last episode will make up for it and it was just a bunch of shock and awe crap again with no substance. My brother in law read all the books to date and said it is totally different now so they are not making this crap to follow the books they just made a crap season.
Also i wish there was no fantasy stuff i.e. , white walkers, ghost babies. wish it was all possible that this couldve happened 2000 years ago. Starting to remind me of return of the king where they fight and fight and then..... a ghost army kills all the orcs. Great
I am told vikings is awesome and ill try that
wish there was no fantasy stuff? so no dragons or any magic? Thats one of the biggest parts of the show. Its a fantasy show. Its not medieval history. geez
Why are you even watching it then? The show is no different from seasons 1-4 imo. If you arent a book reader the show literally feels no different. Feels like people say this crap anytime something becomes very popular
" I liked the first few seasons, but now I just feel its not any good" ......Everyone says this now. It becomes a cliche at some point.
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
I think this season had a lot of story lines that were either ignored or dragged on way too much. Khaleesi's story didn't really go anywhere and even though the arena battle was cool, her riding on the dragon came off as super lame to me. Maybe it was just the cheap fx but I found it pretty cheesy. They focused a ton on Jon and Stannis throughout the season and then they had the most uneventful deaths in very short scenes in the last episode. Then most of the other stories were just cut short. The scene with Cersei was also over kill. I actually just skipped until the end of the walk. I still thought that the episode was good they just seemed to cram too much in, as a I said. They could have condensed the previous 8 and made the last two better. I would rather see 10 good episodes than 8 boring ones and 2 that are wrapped up too quick or too sloppy.
Hey, it's just a show though. I'm not even a big fantasy fan, but the show still remains entertaining even with my complaints about the latest season.
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
yeah, i like the dragons just not ghost stuff like white walkers and the baby ghost. Really the show until the white walker attack had almost no fantasy anyway and i thought it was such a unique story that isnt anythin like your typical midevil plot and wouldve ranked it as one of my fav all time shows.
People who see star trek know it is sci-fi
For myself and my buddies who watch it every week (who didnt read books) thought it was just a killer new show on a fake world. I didnt catch on about ghost stuff till the stannis ghost baby.
This is a total different viewing experience and expectation from what i gather if you read the books
I think this season had a lot of story lines that were either ignored or dragged on way too much. Khaleesi's story didn't really go anywhere and even though the arena battle was cool, her riding on the dragon came off as super lame to me. Maybe it was just the cheap fx but I found it pretty cheesy. They focused a ton on Jon and Stannis throughout the season and then they had the most uneventful deaths in very short scenes in the last episode. Then most of the other stories were just cut short. The scene with Cersei was also over kill. I actually just skipped until the end of the walk. I still thought that the episode was good they just seemed to cram too much in, as a I said. They could have condensed the previous 8 and made the last two better. I would rather see 10 good episodes than 8 boring ones and 2 that are wrapped up too quick or too sloppy.
Hey, it's just a show though. I'm not even a big fantasy fan, but the show still remains entertaining even with my complaints about the latest season.
Well we dont even truly know what the fate of stannis and jon will be with all the speculation. Alot happened, but next season itll continue on with the story. I am fine with everything because its still a good story
I do get really tired of people complaining about "convenience" of things happening like brienne missing the candle. ITS A DAMN SHOW. Those kind of things happen. Its not supposed to be realistic. Its supposed to be interesting. Who even knows the candle was meant for brienne to see anyway? She was there to rescue sansa when she saw an opportunity. Lighting the candle wasnt an opportunity, and how would she even know about the candle in the first place?
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
yeah, i like the dragons just not ghost stuff like white walkers and the baby ghost. Really the show until the white walker attack had almost no fantasy anyway and i thought it was such a unique story that isnt anythin like your typical midevil plot and wouldve ranked it as one of my fav all time shows.
People who see star trek know it is sci-fi
For myself and my buddies who watch it every week (who didnt read books) thought it was just a killer new show on a fake world. I didnt catch on about ghost stuff till the stannis ghost baby.
This is a total different viewing experience and expectation from what i gather if you read the books
white walkers is the whole major point of the show. Winter is coming and the legend of the white walkers. They reference it the whole show by saying how the battle for the iron throne isnt the real battle. They are the true threat. They are actually one of the coolest things in the show to me and that battle was freaking awesome.
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
People who see star trek know it is sci-fi
Im sorry but if you didnt know GOT was a fantasy story then I dont know what to tell you. You obviously had no idea from the start what you were about to watch. One of the key elements in the whole show is dragons. That should tell you something.
well in 5 seasons I think I can count 3 appearances and maybe a total of 5 minutes of airtime for the white walkers( 4.5 of those mintues were in that battle this season)? so weather they are hinting about them all show I never catch my self wondering "what are those dang white walkers up to" and they have added no value to me personally. I think the human stories in this show are just fantastic and I really personally wish they didn't have them in the show at all.
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
People who see star trek know it is sci-fi
Im sorry but if you didnt know GOT was a fantasy story then I dont know what to tell you. You obviously had no idea from the start what you were about to watch. One of the key elements in the whole show is dragons. That should tell you something.
you dont have to tell me anything. I watched it and enjoyed it until the fantasy stuff ramped up and im just stating my opinion that i dont like the direction its going. Thats great that you enjoy the fantasy stuff and read the books. Im glad you are enjoying the show
well in 5 seasons I think I can count 3 appearances and maybe a total of 5 minutes of airtime for the white walkers( 4.5 of those mintues were in that battle this season)? so weather they are hinting about them all show I never catch my self wondering "what are those dang white walkers up to" and they have added no value to me personally. I think the human stories in this show are just fantastic and I really personally wish they didn't have them in the show at all.
They were getting sacrificed crastor babies to hold back. No more crastor babies, they went on the march. They have been part of the story and the mystique the whole show. They had a story to tell and develop why they are coming.
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
People who see star trek know it is sci-fi
Im sorry but if you didnt know GOT was a fantasy story then I dont know what to tell you. You obviously had no idea from the start what you were about to watch. One of the key elements in the whole show is dragons. That should tell you something.
you dont have to tell me anything. I watched it and enjoyed it until the fantasy stuff ramped up and im just stating my opinion that i dont like the direction its going. Thats great that you enjoy the fantasy stuff and read the books. Im glad you are enjoying the show
I dont read the books. All I know is the books have a few different character paths. Most of the stuff that happens is close to the books from what I heard. Show changed a few things, but fantasy they did not. Its always been a fantasy series.
Taking away fantasy stuff from GOT would make it generic meh show. They built the fantasy stuff slowly because it creates mystique. You cant just throw that at someone at the start of a show.
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
in your opinion that is. In my opinion and the 3 guys I watch it with every week the fantasy stuff is lame and the fact if you don't like someone you can just bone a witch and she poops out a kid to kill your enemy? Why didn't they do that to the king or circe? Maybe the books tell more but to me the story is absolutely fantastic without the fantasy stuff and im guessing lots of other people feel the same way which is why you are hearing this a lot and you feel it is now cliche
in your opinion that is. In my opinion and the 3 guys I watch it with every week the fantasy stuff is lame and the fact if you don't like someone you can just bone a witch and she poops out a kid to kill your enemy? Why didn't they do that to the king or circe? Maybe the books tell more but to me the story is absolutely fantastic without the fantasy stuff and im guessing lots of other people feel the same way which is why you are hearing this a lot and you feel it is now cliche
Have to sacrifice a person of kings blood.
You said your friends read the books. They should like the fantasy stuff then if they took time to read the fantasy books.
and no Im not hearing this alot with GOT...I mean for shows in general. Every single show.
no my brother in law read the books not the friends I watch the show with keep up now
I dont know what to tell you man. There have been fantasy elements througout the show. Its not near as interesting without the mystique. Would be pretty boring now without it. Its ok in the beginning because there are more houses that are built up and slowly have been crushed throughout. Without Fantasy what do you have now. Dorne, the tyrells, whats left of the lannisters, and the boltons? Because we cant include the mother of dragons, because thats fantasy and one of the prominent elements of the show.
in your opinion that is. In my opinion and the 3 guys I watch it with every week the fantasy stuff is lame and the fact if you don't like someone you can just bone a witch and she poops out a kid to kill your enemy? Why didn't they do that to the king or circe? Maybe the books tell more but to me the story is absolutely fantastic without the fantasy stuff and im guessing lots of other people feel the same way which is why you are hearing this a lot and you feel it is now cliche
I admit, ghost baby was stupid. It was probably the first thing in the story that made me kinda go, "Uh, did that really just happen?"
But I wouldn't throw all fantasy elements out the window just because GRRM made a few stupid choices. To be fair I imagine that something like this would read a lot better in a book than can be shown with practical effects (I only read book 1 about a year before the first season premiere and none of the other books).
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
I agree with what you say about Arya, but that scene didn't contain the Arya we've come to know.
She didn't serve him a poisoned oyster, she didn't slip a blade into him in passing. She pretended to be an underaged girl to get close to Trant. When did she have time to infiltrate his harem of child slaves, manage to get herself in trouble enough to earn a punishment, and why is this punishment being delivered by Trant? Is it to make him look like a Bad Guy so that we don't feel so bad when he gets brutally multiated?
So Arya makes it obvious she's up to something, acts suspicious, then tackles a 250 pound man, slices out his eyes and talks like a supervillain while doing so. Meanwhile the other two girls have run off and are most likely alerting guards everywhere. This was a psychotic kill that came out of nowhere for her character. The Arya we know slips a blade under the ribcage, says something as they die, and wants her victims to look her in the face and remember it.
It's fairly obvious Myrcella's death kicks off some sort of plot point, but right now all we have is a timely "I forgive you for everything and am your daughter again" Hallmark moment followed by her obvious and immediate death. To insult the audience further, we are shown freaking Ellaria coughing up blood and wiping off lipstick, and even revealing the stupid cure vial, to show the audience what the audience already know obviously happened. Heavy-handed careless writing that assumes the audience is too stupid to figure out what's going on for themselves.
Sansa is strong in a different way than Arya -- she has the strength to endure things like marital rape and the death of her family, yet still carry on her family name. A lesser person might've killed herself by now. I'm not going to write off the illogistics of her jumping from that wall with her family's enemy just because it helps 'define her character' when there were so many other more logical possibilities. Extreme situations call for extreme measures, even in the apparently weak. Also -- Her stealing that corkscrew was just to jimmy open her chamber door? Meh. Why weren't there guards keeping watch for her? Where'd she get the candle? Where'd she get the tinderbox to light it? Why didn't she start a fire as a distraction and escape? A better plot twist would've been if she used Ramsay against Theon by screaming that Reek had just murdered the kennelmaster's daughter. Also she JUUST lit the candle. Did she really think help would come within 5 minutes after she lit it? Did she not have hope that someone would still come help her at that point? Not to mention Ramsay freaking knew about her plan to put a candle up there, why didn't he seal off that tower? There's so many things wrong with this scene, it's absurd.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
That's why the show Stannis sucks so much compared to the book Stannis. His scenes in the show are basically intact (even a character like Tyrion has been condensed far more than Stannis was), but he's been completely and deliberately dumbed down.
In the books he doesn't ignore his best friend, he doesn't kill his only heir, he isn't the first one up the ladder, he doesn't burn people for not converting (he worships law and duty....he burns traitors and deserters), and he wants the throne about as much as Adam Jensen wanted to have his body rearranged (even Stannis says "I never asked for this"). He doesn't want the throne for his sake, but for his daughter's. He even orders his men to put her on the throne if he dies. He's the only one who fights to save Westeros, which is why he sailed North, and why he marched through a blizzard. Like Batman, he's the hero (king) they need, but not the one they want ...so he's trying to fight to become the one they want.
The show has always gone it's own way for better and worse, but in this case it's definitely worse.
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Yeah, totally forgot about that. But I remembered again while I was at work today, then I facepalm'd.
I think I forgot on purpose ...
Reanimating old characters into Frankenstein's monsters is a pretty major cop-out.
IMO if you're going to kill a character, commit to it.
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Yeah, totally forgot about that. But I remembered again while I was at work today, then I facepalm'd.
I think I forgot on purpose ...
Reanimating old characters into Frankenstein's monsters is a pretty major cop-out.
IMO if you're going to kill a character, commit to it.
Its straight from the book tho. I wonder who he'll fight in sersei's inevitable trial by combat.
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Yeah, totally forgot about that. But I remembered again while I was at work today, then I facepalm'd.
I think I forgot on purpose ...
Reanimating old characters into Frankenstein's monsters is a pretty major cop-out.
IMO if you're going to kill a character, commit to it.
Its straight from the book tho. I wonder who he'll fight in sersei's inevitable trial by combat.
He's going to fight the Hound. But go ahead everyone, tell me all the reasons I'm wrong. And the Hound wins!
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Yeah, totally forgot about that. But I remembered again while I was at work today, then I facepalm'd.
I think I forgot on purpose ...
Reanimating old characters into Frankenstein's monsters is a pretty major cop-out.
IMO if you're going to kill a character, commit to it.
Its straight from the book tho. I wonder who he'll fight in sersei's inevitable trial by combat.
He's going to fight the Hound. But go ahead everyone, tell me all the reasons I'm wrong. And the Hound wins!
didnt the hound have like a sword through his gut and was left to die in the middle of the erie
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Yeah, totally forgot about that. But I remembered again while I was at work today, then I facepalm'd.
I think I forgot on purpose ...
Reanimating old characters into Frankenstein's monsters is a pretty major cop-out.
IMO if you're going to kill a character, commit to it.
Its straight from the book tho. I wonder who he'll fight in sersei's inevitable trial by combat.
He's going to fight the Hound. But go ahead everyone, tell me all the reasons I'm wrong. And the Hound wins!
didnt the hound have like a sword through his gut and was left to die in the middle of the erie
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
I didn't think they were escaping....
So you think it was perhaps a Thelma and Louise style suicide? Interesting. I didn't think of that.
Comments
Originally posted by: quest4nes
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil
Originally posted by: Lincoln
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
^^^^ this x 1000. I loved the crap out of season 1-4........i was so dissapointed in this season i was so underwhealmed and bored this season. The story is so spaced now with characters i dont give a crap about mostly including about 1/3 of this whole season was the most annoying character aria and that dumb mumbo jumbo about 2 faced god. I was thinking ok the last episode will make up for it and it was just a bunch of shock and awe crap again with no substance. My brother in law read all the books to date and said it is totally different now so they are not making this crap to follow the books they just made a crap season.
Also i wish there was no fantasy stuff i.e. , white walkers, ghost babies. wish it was all possible that this couldve happened 2000 years ago. Starting to remind me of return of the king where they fight and fight and then..... a ghost army kills all the orcs. Great
I am told vikings is awesome and ill try that
wish there was no fantasy stuff? so no dragons or any magic? Thats one of the biggest parts of the show. Its a fantasy show. Its not medieval history. geez
Why are you even watching it then? The show is no different from seasons 1-4 imo. If you arent a book reader the show literally feels no different. Feels like people say this crap anytime something becomes very popular
" I liked the first few seasons, but now I just feel its not any good" ......Everyone says this now. It becomes a cliche at some point.
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Originally posted by: quest4nes
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil
Originally posted by: Lincoln
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
^^^^ this x 1000. I loved the crap out of season 1-4........i was so dissapointed in this season i was so underwhealmed and bored this season. The story is so spaced now with characters i dont give a crap about mostly including about 1/3 of this whole season was the most annoying character aria and that dumb mumbo jumbo about 2 faced god. I was thinking ok the last episode will make up for it and it was just a bunch of shock and awe crap again with no substance. My brother in law read all the books to date and said it is totally different now so they are not making this crap to follow the books they just made a crap season.
Also i wish there was no fantasy stuff i.e. , white walkers, ghost babies. wish it was all possible that this couldve happened 2000 years ago. Starting to remind me of return of the king where they fight and fight and then..... a ghost army kills all the orcs. Great
I am told vikings is awesome and ill try that
wish there was no fantasy stuff? so no dragons or any magic? Thats one of the biggest parts of the show. Its a fantasy show. Its not medieval history. geez
Why are you even watching it then? The show is no different from seasons 1-4 imo. If you arent a book reader the show literally feels no different. Feels like people say this crap anytime something becomes very popular
" I liked the first few seasons, but now I just feel its not any good" ......Everyone says this now. It becomes a cliche at some point.
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
Hey, it's just a show though. I'm not even a big fantasy fan, but the show still remains entertaining even with my complaints about the latest season.
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
yeah, i like the dragons just not ghost stuff like white walkers and the baby ghost. Really the show until the white walker attack had almost no fantasy anyway and i thought it was such a unique story that isnt anythin like your typical midevil plot and wouldve ranked it as one of my fav all time shows.
People who see star trek know it is sci-fi
For myself and my buddies who watch it every week (who didnt read books) thought it was just a killer new show on a fake world. I didnt catch on about ghost stuff till the stannis ghost baby.
This is a total different viewing experience and expectation from what i gather if you read the books
Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil
I think this season had a lot of story lines that were either ignored or dragged on way too much. Khaleesi's story didn't really go anywhere and even though the arena battle was cool, her riding on the dragon came off as super lame to me. Maybe it was just the cheap fx but I found it pretty cheesy. They focused a ton on Jon and Stannis throughout the season and then they had the most uneventful deaths in very short scenes in the last episode. Then most of the other stories were just cut short. The scene with Cersei was also over kill. I actually just skipped until the end of the walk. I still thought that the episode was good they just seemed to cram too much in, as a I said. They could have condensed the previous 8 and made the last two better. I would rather see 10 good episodes than 8 boring ones and 2 that are wrapped up too quick or too sloppy.
Hey, it's just a show though. I'm not even a big fantasy fan, but the show still remains entertaining even with my complaints about the latest season.
Well we dont even truly know what the fate of stannis and jon will be with all the speculation. Alot happened, but next season itll continue on with the story. I am fine with everything because its still a good story
I do get really tired of people complaining about "convenience" of things happening like brienne missing the candle. ITS A DAMN SHOW. Those kind of things happen. Its not supposed to be realistic. Its supposed to be interesting. Who even knows the candle was meant for brienne to see anyway? She was there to rescue sansa when she saw an opportunity. Lighting the candle wasnt an opportunity, and how would she even know about the candle in the first place?
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
yeah, i like the dragons just not ghost stuff like white walkers and the baby ghost. Really the show until the white walker attack had almost no fantasy anyway and i thought it was such a unique story that isnt anythin like your typical midevil plot and wouldve ranked it as one of my fav all time shows.
People who see star trek know it is sci-fi
For myself and my buddies who watch it every week (who didnt read books) thought it was just a killer new show on a fake world. I didnt catch on about ghost stuff till the stannis ghost baby.
This is a total different viewing experience and expectation from what i gather if you read the books
white walkers is the whole major point of the show. Winter is coming and the legend of the white walkers. They reference it the whole show by saying how the battle for the iron throne isnt the real battle. They are the true threat. They are actually one of the coolest things in the show to me and that battle was freaking awesome.
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
People who see star trek know it is sci-fi
Im sorry but if you didnt know GOT was a fantasy story then I dont know what to tell you. You obviously had no idea from the start what you were about to watch. One of the key elements in the whole show is dragons. That should tell you something.
Originally posted by: quest4nes
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
People who see star trek know it is sci-fi
Im sorry but if you didnt know GOT was a fantasy story then I dont know what to tell you. You obviously had no idea from the start what you were about to watch. One of the key elements in the whole show is dragons. That should tell you something.
you dont have to tell me anything. I watched it and enjoyed it until the fantasy stuff ramped up and im just stating my opinion that i dont like the direction its going. Thats great that you enjoy the fantasy stuff and read the books. Im glad you are enjoying the show
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
well in 5 seasons I think I can count 3 appearances and maybe a total of 5 minutes of airtime for the white walkers( 4.5 of those mintues were in that battle this season)? so weather they are hinting about them all show I never catch my self wondering "what are those dang white walkers up to" and they have added no value to me personally. I think the human stories in this show are just fantastic and I really personally wish they didn't have them in the show at all.
They were getting sacrificed crastor babies to hold back. No more crastor babies, they went on the march. They have been part of the story and the mystique the whole show. They had a story to tell and develop why they are coming.
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Originally posted by: quest4nes
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
Cliche? or true? I think true. I bet 98% of fans didnt read the books. If you are into the books and love them then i get it but i havent read the books and i just stumbled on the show which season 1 had almost 0 fantasy elements. No dragons, cant remember if ghost baby was season 1 or 2, and just a little mention about white walkers.
Season 1-4 had interesting human characters thats what i liked. I know lots of people like the fantasy but i just dont
I'm not saying you're wrong, but taking away fantasy elements would rob this show of much of its identity. (Not that this last episode didn't suck.)
At that point you have a historical drama period piece, and those are boring. I'd rather see a different world with its own rules than just another run-of-the-mill king, knight, and princess story. Game of Thrones wouldn't be very special without something more. The characters' struggles wouldn't be as interesting and the world wouldn't be as intriguing if we knew there was Nothing Out There. Rumors of magicians to the west. The White Walkers to the North. The Children of the Woods. All this creates an intriguing mysterious world, and that mystery is all but ruined the moment you strip away the fantasy elements.
That's like saying you want to see Star Trek, but without any science-fiction elements. IE: They are all on boats in the ocean. Where's the fun in discovering new worlds? New cultures? It's gone because now it's a historical maritime military drama. Is giving Spock a gun instead of a Phaser somehow better? I don't think so.
People who see star trek know it is sci-fi
Im sorry but if you didnt know GOT was a fantasy story then I dont know what to tell you. You obviously had no idea from the start what you were about to watch. One of the key elements in the whole show is dragons. That should tell you something.
you dont have to tell me anything. I watched it and enjoyed it until the fantasy stuff ramped up and im just stating my opinion that i dont like the direction its going. Thats great that you enjoy the fantasy stuff and read the books. Im glad you are enjoying the show
I dont read the books. All I know is the books have a few different character paths. Most of the stuff that happens is close to the books from what I heard. Show changed a few things, but fantasy they did not. Its always been a fantasy series.
Taking away fantasy stuff from GOT would make it generic meh show. They built the fantasy stuff slowly because it creates mystique. You cant just throw that at someone at the start of a show.
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil
Originally posted by: Lincoln
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
in your opinion that is. In my opinion and the 3 guys I watch it with every week the fantasy stuff is lame and the fact if you don't like someone you can just bone a witch and she poops out a kid to kill your enemy? Why didn't they do that to the king or circe? Maybe the books tell more but to me the story is absolutely fantastic without the fantasy stuff and im guessing lots of other people feel the same way which is why you are hearing this a lot and you feel it is now cliche
Have to sacrifice a person of kings blood.
You said your friends read the books. They should like the fantasy stuff then if they took time to read the fantasy books.
and no Im not hearing this alot with GOT...I mean for shows in general. Every single show.
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
no my brother in law read the books not the friends I watch the show with keep up now
I dont know what to tell you man. There have been fantasy elements througout the show. Its not near as interesting without the mystique. Would be pretty boring now without it. Its ok in the beginning because there are more houses that are built up and slowly have been crushed throughout. Without Fantasy what do you have now. Dorne, the tyrells, whats left of the lannisters, and the boltons? Because we cant include the mother of dragons, because thats fantasy and one of the prominent elements of the show.
Originally posted by: BilltownSparty
in your opinion that is. In my opinion and the 3 guys I watch it with every week the fantasy stuff is lame and the fact if you don't like someone you can just bone a witch and she poops out a kid to kill your enemy? Why didn't they do that to the king or circe? Maybe the books tell more but to me the story is absolutely fantastic without the fantasy stuff and im guessing lots of other people feel the same way which is why you are hearing this a lot and you feel it is now cliche
I admit, ghost baby was stupid. It was probably the first thing in the story that made me kinda go, "Uh, did that really just happen?"
But I wouldn't throw all fantasy elements out the window just because GRRM made a few stupid choices. To be fair I imagine that something like this would read a lot better in a book than can be shown with practical effects (I only read book 1 about a year before the first season premiere and none of the other books).
Originally posted by: attakid101
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil
Originally posted by: Lincoln
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
I agree with what you say about Arya, but that scene didn't contain the Arya we've come to know.
She didn't serve him a poisoned oyster, she didn't slip a blade into him in passing. She pretended to be an underaged girl to get close to Trant. When did she have time to infiltrate his harem of child slaves, manage to get herself in trouble enough to earn a punishment, and why is this punishment being delivered by Trant? Is it to make him look like a Bad Guy so that we don't feel so bad when he gets brutally multiated?
So Arya makes it obvious she's up to something, acts suspicious, then tackles a 250 pound man, slices out his eyes and talks like a supervillain while doing so. Meanwhile the other two girls have run off and are most likely alerting guards everywhere. This was a psychotic kill that came out of nowhere for her character. The Arya we know slips a blade under the ribcage, says something as they die, and wants her victims to look her in the face and remember it.
It's fairly obvious Myrcella's death kicks off some sort of plot point, but right now all we have is a timely "I forgive you for everything and am your daughter again" Hallmark moment followed by her obvious and immediate death. To insult the audience further, we are shown freaking Ellaria coughing up blood and wiping off lipstick, and even revealing the stupid cure vial, to show the audience what the audience already know obviously happened. Heavy-handed careless writing that assumes the audience is too stupid to figure out what's going on for themselves.
Sansa is strong in a different way than Arya -- she has the strength to endure things like marital rape and the death of her family, yet still carry on her family name. A lesser person might've killed herself by now. I'm not going to write off the illogistics of her jumping from that wall with her family's enemy just because it helps 'define her character' when there were so many other more logical possibilities. Extreme situations call for extreme measures, even in the apparently weak. Also -- Her stealing that corkscrew was just to jimmy open her chamber door? Meh. Why weren't there guards keeping watch for her? Where'd she get the candle? Where'd she get the tinderbox to light it? Why didn't she start a fire as a distraction and escape? A better plot twist would've been if she used Ramsay against Theon by screaming that Reek had just murdered the kennelmaster's daughter. Also she JUUST lit the candle. Did she really think help would come within 5 minutes after she lit it? Did she not have hope that someone would still come help her at that point? Not to mention Ramsay freaking knew about her plan to put a candle up there, why didn't he seal off that tower? There's so many things wrong with this scene, it's absurd.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: attakid101
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil
Originally posted by: Lincoln
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
And then he will kill everyone who stabbed him, even that bastard Olly. That turd.
Originally posted by: attakid101
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
That's why the show Stannis sucks so much compared to the book Stannis. His scenes in the show are basically intact (even a character like Tyrion has been condensed far more than Stannis was), but he's been completely and deliberately dumbed down.
In the books he doesn't ignore his best friend, he doesn't kill his only heir, he isn't the first one up the ladder, he doesn't burn people for not converting (he worships law and duty....he burns traitors and deserters), and he wants the throne about as much as Adam Jensen wanted to have his body rearranged (even Stannis says "I never asked for this"). He doesn't want the throne for his sake, but for his daughter's. He even orders his men to put her on the throne if he dies. He's the only one who fights to save Westeros, which is why he sailed North, and why he marched through a blizzard. Like Batman, he's the hero (king) they need, but not the one they want ...so he's trying to fight to become the one they want.
The show has always gone it's own way for better and worse, but in this case it's definitely worse.
Originally posted by: quest4nes
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: attakid101
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil
Originally posted by: Lincoln
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Yeah, totally forgot about that. But I remembered again while I was at work today, then I facepalm'd.
I think I forgot on purpose ...
Reanimating old characters into Frankenstein's monsters is a pretty major cop-out.
IMO if you're going to kill a character, commit to it.
Originally posted by: quest4nes
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: attakid101
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil
Originally posted by: Lincoln
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Yeah, totally forgot about that. But I remembered again while I was at work today, then I facepalm'd.
I think I forgot on purpose ...
Reanimating old characters into Frankenstein's monsters is a pretty major cop-out.
IMO if you're going to kill a character, commit to it.
Its straight from the book tho. I wonder who he'll fight in sersei's inevitable trial by combat.
Originally posted by: demanufacturedmario
For anyone thinks that Jon Snow is forever dead, I'm nearly 99% sure he will be revived by Melisandre.
my thoughts exactly... this is the only reason I think that she escaped the battle.
haven't read the books though.. but the HBO series has made some pretty major changes.
Originally posted by: NESfanatic
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: quest4nes
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: attakid101
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil
Originally posted by: Lincoln
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Yeah, totally forgot about that. But I remembered again while I was at work today, then I facepalm'd.
I think I forgot on purpose ...
Reanimating old characters into Frankenstein's monsters is a pretty major cop-out.
IMO if you're going to kill a character, commit to it.
Its straight from the book tho. I wonder who he'll fight in sersei's inevitable trial by combat.
He's going to fight the Hound. But go ahead everyone, tell me all the reasons I'm wrong. And the Hound wins!
Originally posted by: babywuchki
Originally posted by: NESfanatic
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: quest4nes
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: attakid101
Originally posted by: cirellio
Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil
Originally posted by: Lincoln
This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Yeah, totally forgot about that. But I remembered again while I was at work today, then I facepalm'd.
I think I forgot on purpose ...
Reanimating old characters into Frankenstein's monsters is a pretty major cop-out.
IMO if you're going to kill a character, commit to it.
Its straight from the book tho. I wonder who he'll fight in sersei's inevitable trial by combat.
He's going to fight the Hound. But go ahead everyone, tell me all the reasons I'm wrong. And the Hound wins!
didnt the hound have like a sword through his gut and was left to die in the middle of the erie
Originally posted by: quest4nes
Originally posted by: babywuchki
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Originally posted by: cirellio
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Originally posted by: cirellio
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This is the laziest writing I can remember for this show. Setting up story lines for next year is good, but doing it by cutting away from a scene in the middle of anything happening is so cheap.
Daenerys plot was dumb- wander away from your only mode of travel and protection and get surrounded by an army that materializes out of nowhere and leave us hanging. If anyone actually finds that ring I'm going to be so irritated at the sheer improbability.
Brienne plot was so contrived. She's been there how long and misses the candle by 30 seconds? Lame. And why cutaway right at the resolution to the Stannis story? The only reason to do that is to leave it open that he's still alive, which is also lame.
Theon and Sansa rush through jumping off the wall and that's it? What a bunch of shit.
The whole thing was so manipulative. I'm get more annoyed the more I think about it.
Surprised at Jon dying, but at least they made it clear that's what happened. I'm betting on a resurrection though.
I agree. I felt the first 9/10 of the season was pretty boring and then they just crammed it all this episode. Oh well I guess I will only have to watch that episode to refresh when it comes back on in two years.
I agree with all these points. This last episode left me cold, even though the Cersei march was a very memorable scene.
The Arya assassination scene was ridiculous. Arya sort of pushed the guy's shirt into his mouth, but that sort of gagging never works! He didn't even fight back a little, just took it like a bitch. And since he was gagged, when she accused him of killing Syrio Forel, something we never actually saw happen, (and honestly the guy was just in command, not necessarily the guy who actually killed Syrio, plus he was acting under orders -- it wasn't a personal vendetta kind of thing,) he was gagged so couldn't confirm or deny the accusation.
Arya, you are not ready. They said. You killed a different guy. No big deal though, we'll pay for it with another guy's life. Because why would life balance death? Death now pays for death. We're changing the rules up in here. But we'll force your mouth open just to scare you into thinking the poison was meant for you.
Myrcella's death, telegraphed. Obvious. Lame.
The decision made in Meereen was sloppily written. Tyrion Lannister was very out-of-character, letting Daenerys' lapdog Daario talk circles around him. Oh, and by the way Tyrion speaks Meereenese pretty well, you just found out fifteen seconds ago. It's convenient to the plot we're making up just now. Because all Lannisters are taught Meereenese, a language that would be 99% useless to them. Now it's time for awkward silence as I stare at Grey Worm and Missandei.
Brienne missed the candle by more like 4 seconds. She looked away at the same time as the candle was lit at the same time Stannis' army arrives, at the same time Reek decided to grow balls, at the same time Sansa is trying to escape, so it's even more ridiculous happenstance.
Does that mean the whole point of Brienne standing there wasting her time this entire season (with her poor squire) was so she could just find a wounded and already almost dead Stannis?!?
And why the hell did Stannis continue on with the attack? A big red sign should've been blinking in his head at that point that he's been scammed! I mean, if Stannis felt like since he lost his wife and daughter he had nothing to lose and still believed the Lord of Light would protect his army, they should've made that clear. It almost felt like Melisandre went through that entire scharade that started at the beginning of Season 2 as an elaborate plan just to kill off Stannis and his family.
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
Talk about a Trust Excercise.
Aren't there tunnels leading outside of Winterfell? Arya found her way outside of Winterfell through the underground tunnels just fine in season 1. I'm just saying you'd think Sansa would be able to use growing up in the place to her advantage and not be forced to jump over a wall.
And what was up with the lead singer of the Rock-a-Fire explosion as Queen Cersei's newest knight? "He doesn't talk (because he took a vow of silence ... puh-lease) and has ridiculous custom armor on, looks like it was worn by a minion straight out of Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers". We're going to obscure his identity for no reason and expect you to trust him. Yay!...
I suspect that it's 'Gorilla Hodor'.
Killing Jon Snow was a poor move, was too telegraphed, wasn't shocking, and now they've lost their best actor. What was the point of him leading the wall and all his victories over the bullies on the wall? What was the point of his entire life? Was it just to get the Wildlings south of the wall? And teach some people how to swordfight? Wow. What was the point of the White Walker Commander forming a personal revenge vendetta against him in episode 7?
This episode just about killed the show for me. Everything else was so good up until now. What the hell happened?
Maybe they should've stuck to the book more?!?
I agree with a lot of what you said here but wanted to add a comment or two:
I don't think it matters that Arya did'nt witness Syrio's death. She's a child lashing out at the many injustices in her life. Maybe that guy was the only one she recognized. Did he make the killing blow on Syrio? Does it matter? Not really. Somebody had to pay.
Yeah, Myrcella's death was obvious. Everyone knew she was going to die eventually. But that wasn't the point. The point is the plot that her death kicks off.
Stannis continued on with the attack for the same reason he ignored his best friend, marched through a blizzard, killed his fucking daughter, etc. He's singled minded. It has nothing to do with the God of Light. It has everything to do with the Iron Throne.
Sansa is weak. She's always been weak. This whole show she's been cowed from one shitty situation to the next. I say jumping off that wall with Theon is in character for her. She's naturally dependent.
Cesei knows the identity of her new knight, we all know--it's The Mountain. There wasn't a need for a reveal.
I hate that Jon died too. But in my opion his death was both shocking and dramatic.
And finally, if that's the Mountain, why the hell do his eyes look like a Gorilla's?
Did you miss the whole scene with the mountain getting revived with some frankenstein's monster shit from last season? and the previously before the episode segment re showing that scene?
Its the mountain because we were straight up showed it was the mountain
Yeah, totally forgot about that. But I remembered again while I was at work today, then I facepalm'd.
I think I forgot on purpose ...
Reanimating old characters into Frankenstein's monsters is a pretty major cop-out.
IMO if you're going to kill a character, commit to it.
Its straight from the book tho. I wonder who he'll fight in sersei's inevitable trial by combat.
He's going to fight the Hound. But go ahead everyone, tell me all the reasons I'm wrong. And the Hound wins!
didnt the hound have like a sword through his gut and was left to die in the middle of the erie
Maybe a doctor helped him.
Originally posted by: cirellio
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
I didn't think they were escaping....
Originally posted by: rokubungi
Originally posted by: cirellio
The jumping off the wall thing was totally stupid too, I agree. Does Theon and Sansa plan to escape with broken legs? Do they think they can get out of the country without being tracked down by all of Ramsay's hunting dogs? Was that REALLY their only option just because "Ramsay was coming"? Why would Sansa trust Theon enough to jump at the same time as him off of a wall high enough to kill you after he just betrayed and shoved someone over a ledge of equal height 5 seconds ago? Can he be so easily redeemed and trusted after betraying her multiple times?...
I didn't think they were escaping....
So you think it was perhaps a Thelma and Louise style suicide? Interesting. I didn't think of that.