Playing the Genesis RPGs for the first time
So this year I've gotten back into the Sega Genesis library, and despite it being one of my favorite consoles since childhood, I'd never so much as touched any of its RPGs. I've heard great things about quite a few of them, so I've decided to go for it.
Games that I've bought this year and intend to complete over time: Phantasy Star I-IV (have the first one on my Everdrive); Landstalker; Shining in the Darkness; Shining Force I-II. A few others I may look into are Beyond Oasis, Shadowrun, and a few of the MD-exclusives that I have on my Everdrive. I also have Pirates Gold, but that's sort of a different beast.
The first game I tackled was Landstalker. I loved this game. I'd heard about the wonky controls, but I got used to them. The biggest issue with this game IMO is the lack of shadows under the platforms. I think the designers built some of the platforming challenges around this lack, which was sometimes frustrating since your jumps amount to guesswork. But none of the challenges seemed overwhelming to me.
Currently playing Shining in the Darkness. I have never played any of the wealth of previous 3D dungeon crawlers such as Wizardry or Deep Dungeon, but I'm acclimated to the patience needed to map out and grind for levels in these older RPGs, so I think I'll enjoy this one. I've gained a few levels and I'm still mapping out the first dungeon level, so I'm not too far into it yet.
Will update this as I go. What are your memories of the Genesis RPGs? (Please hide your spoilers for my virgin eyes! )
Games that I've bought this year and intend to complete over time: Phantasy Star I-IV (have the first one on my Everdrive); Landstalker; Shining in the Darkness; Shining Force I-II. A few others I may look into are Beyond Oasis, Shadowrun, and a few of the MD-exclusives that I have on my Everdrive. I also have Pirates Gold, but that's sort of a different beast.
The first game I tackled was Landstalker. I loved this game. I'd heard about the wonky controls, but I got used to them. The biggest issue with this game IMO is the lack of shadows under the platforms. I think the designers built some of the platforming challenges around this lack, which was sometimes frustrating since your jumps amount to guesswork. But none of the challenges seemed overwhelming to me.
Currently playing Shining in the Darkness. I have never played any of the wealth of previous 3D dungeon crawlers such as Wizardry or Deep Dungeon, but I'm acclimated to the patience needed to map out and grind for levels in these older RPGs, so I think I'll enjoy this one. I've gained a few levels and I'm still mapping out the first dungeon level, so I'm not too far into it yet.
Will update this as I go. What are your memories of the Genesis RPGs? (Please hide your spoilers for my virgin eyes! )
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So this year I've gotten back into the Sega Genesis library, and despite it being one of my favorite consoles since childhood, I'd never so much as touched any of its RPGs. I've heard great things about quite a few of them, so I've decided to go for it.
Games that I've bought this year and intend to complete over time: Phantasy Star I-IV (have the first one on my Everdrive); Landstalker; Shining in the Darkness; Shining Force I-II. A few others I may look into are Beyond Oasis, Shadowrun, and a few of the MD-exclusives that I have on my Everdrive. I also have Pirates Gold, but that's sort of a different beast.
The first game I tackled was Landstalker. I loved this game. I'd heard about the wonky controls, but I got used to them. The biggest issue with this game IMO is the lack of shadows under the platforms. I think the designers built some of the platforming challenges around this lack, which was sometimes frustrating since your jumps amount to guesswork. But none of the challenges seemed overwhelming to me.
Currently playing Shining in the Darkness. I have never played any of the wealth of previous 3D dungeon crawlers such as Wizardry or Deep Dungeon, but I'm acclimated to the patience needed to map out and grind for levels in these older RPGs, so I think I'll enjoy this one. I've gained a few levels and I'm still mapping out the first dungeon level, so I'm not too far into it yet.
Will update this as I go. What are your memories of the Genesis RPGs? (Please hide your spoilers for my virgin eyes! )
Fuck that, I generally just follow the right (Or sometimes the left) wall all the way around soon as I get into a maze. It's not 100%, even less with teleporters on maps, but it helps keep you from getting lost. If you make it back to where you started from you know it's a giant loop, and you have to then follow the wall you didn't follow.
But Shining in the Darkness is a good one. Love the humor in the tavern. As it certainly fleshes out your party members better than pretty much every other dungeon crawler I've ever played.
As for me, I have an unusual history with Genesis RPGs.
The only ones I played in the early-to-mid 90's while owning a Genesis were -
Shadowrun, Shining Force 2, Beyond Oasis, Phantasy Star 2, and Shining in the Darkness.
Years later I started exploring more of the games I missed, playing games like Phantasy Stars 3 and 4 and Super Hydelide.
I've always wanted to play so many more such as Dungeons & Dragons: Warriors of the Eternal Sun and Shining Force 1.
Right now I feel that Shining Force 2, Phantasy Star 4, and Shadowrun are some of the best RPGs the system has to offer.
I've been curious about that one. I really do need to start an RPG on Genesis. I believe I have them all besides Shining in the Darkness & Dungeons and Dragons.
Just got a Sega CD so I will be testing out Shining Force CD and the Lunar games before I touch the Genesis ones but I am pumped as I have heard good stuff.
Anyone play Syndicate?
I've been curious about that one. I really do need to start an RPG on Genesis. I believe I have them all besides Shining in the Darkness & Dungeons and Dragons.
I'm having trouble imagining Syndicate playing well without the PC-mouse interface...
For some reason, I could never get into RPGs on the Genesis. I wish I could explain it, but they just never "clicked" with me.
While I'm a bit vocal about my dislike of the term RPG for video games (But that's some other thread), one term that I think is really used poorly is jRPG vs wRPG\cRPG. Sega RPGs don't generally fit the jRPG mold. They're generally a bit more serious too, so they seem a bit more western than most true "jRPGs".
And honestly, they all do seem a bit on the dull side at times to me.
For some reason, I could never get into RPGs on the Genesis. I wish I could explain it, but they just never "clicked" with me.
I said this in the other thread, but they are definitely archaic in many cases. It's hard to go back to Shining Force after playing Tactics Ogre or Front Mission, Phantasy Star II after playing Chrono Trigger, Crusader of Centy is no Zelda, etc.
For some reason, I could never get into RPGs on the Genesis. I wish I could explain it, but they just never "clicked" with me.
I said this in the other thread, but they are definitely archaic in many cases. It's hard to go back to Shining Force after playing Tactics Ogre or Front Mission, Phantasy Star II after playing Chrono Trigger, Crusader of Centy is no Zelda, etc.
I can understand this. For example I never thought I would be able to enjoy the original Final Fantasy for NES after playing IV-VI, and after playing the GBA remake that gives you save states and other "modern" creature comforts.
But I was able to get myself into the right mindset and ended up really enjoying the experience. That's the way I approach older games that haven't aged as well. (And really, what else can stand up to Chrono Trigger anyway? )
For some reason, I could never get into RPGs on the Genesis. I wish I could explain it, but they just never "clicked" with me.
I said this in the other thread, but they are definitely archaic in many cases. It's hard to go back to Shining Force after playing Tactics Ogre or Front Mission, Phantasy Star II after playing Chrono Trigger, Crusader of Centy is no Zelda, etc.
This is going to be the same problem with me I think, the SNES/Square/Enix RPGs mean to much to me and are so perfectly polished in every way that I feel when I go to play the Genesis/CD RPGs I will have a hard time playing them because they just are not as polished and kind of plain.
For some reason, I could never get into RPGs on the Genesis. I wish I could explain it, but they just never "clicked" with me.
I said this in the other thread, but they are definitely archaic in many cases. It's hard to go back to Shining Force after playing Tactics Ogre or Front Mission, Phantasy Star II after playing Chrono Trigger, Crusader of Centy is no Zelda, etc.
This is going to be the same problem with me I think, the SNES/Square/Enix RPGs mean to much to me and are so perfectly polished in every way that I feel when I go to play the Genesis/CD RPGs I will have a hard time playing them because they just are not as polished and kind of plain.
Precisely. The SNES and Genesis are apples and oranges for me. The SNES has the action/RPGs, and the Genesis has the platformers and beat 'em ups. It's a huge switch going from one to the other for me, and I've played all the Phantasy Star titles at one time or another.
I may look into are Beyond Oasis
I love that game
Here's my mapping progress of the labyrinth's first level. I enjoy games that require map-making - I like having something in physical space that represents my progress. Plus it makes it easier to find landmarks again.
Here's my mapping progress of the labyrinth's first level. I enjoy games that require map-making - I like having something in physical space that represents my progress. Plus it makes it easier to find landmarks again.
Till you encounter games with teleporters or spinners with no visual effect, or infinite corridors. Then map making sucks cause you discovered everything you did is invalid.
Till you encounter games with teleporters or spinners with no visual effect, or infinite corridors. Then map making sucks cause you discovered everything you did is invalid.
Unannunciated teleporters and spinners are just the level designer being a dickhead.
There is no excuse for that kind of crap.
Oddly enough, I LOVE those games so much and own Shining in the Darkness but I still haven't played it.
EDIT: Also maybe controversial, but Shining Force I is better than II.
II has better graphics, more characters, an "open world", etc... but the first one just takes the cake. I enjoyed the chapter system and the overall feel of the first game just resonates more with me. I recently completed II for the 3rd time, and it's definitely awesome- don't get me wrong. I just put it 1 notch below the original.
Make sure you play Shining Force I & II soon. So good and I will pump them until the end of time!
Oddly enough, I LOVE those games so much and own Shining in the Darkness but I still haven't played it.
EDIT: Also maybe controversial, but Shining Force I is better than II.
II has better graphics, more characters, an "open world", etc... but the first one just takes the cake. I enjoyed the chapter system and the overall feel of the first game just resonates more with me. I recently completed II for the 3rd time, and it's definitely awesome- don't get me wrong. I just put it 1 notch below the original.
Uh dude I hate to break it to you, but your avatar is from Shining Force 2 ^o^
PS Slade is awesome.
Make sure you play Shining Force I & II soon. So good and I will pump them until the end of time!
Oddly enough, I LOVE those games so much and own Shining in the Darkness but I still haven't played it.
EDIT: Also maybe controversial, but Shining Force I is better than II.
II has better graphics, more characters, an "open world", etc... but the first one just takes the cake. I enjoyed the chapter system and the overall feel of the first game just resonates more with me. I recently completed II for the 3rd time, and it's definitely awesome- don't get me wrong. I just put it 1 notch below the original.
Uh dude I hate to break it to you, but your avatar is from Shining Force 2 ^o^
PS Slade is awesome.
Hahaha, I actually thought about how hypocritical that looked after I posted it! But Slade is my boy. Probably my favorite character of the first two.
I'm a huge fan of Domingo, Hanzou, and Arthur from the first.
As the years have gone on I've also grown to love the Centuar/Rangers from the first two (Lyle and May).
I really love the design and charm of Kiwi from SFII but since his HP stays so low he's pretty much useless.
Also last random thought: Max >>>> Bowie
Make sure you play Shining Force I & II soon. So good and I will pump them until the end of time!
Oddly enough, I LOVE those games so much and own Shining in the Darkness but I still haven't played it.
EDIT: Also maybe controversial, but Shining Force I is better than II.
II has better graphics, more characters, an "open world", etc... but the first one just takes the cake. I enjoyed the chapter system and the overall feel of the first game just resonates more with me. I recently completed II for the 3rd time, and it's definitely awesome- don't get me wrong. I just put it 1 notch below the original.
Uh dude I hate to break it to you, but your avatar is from Shining Force 2 ^o^
PS Slade is awesome.
Hahaha, I actually thought about how hypocritical that looked after I posted it! But Slade is my boy. Probably my favorite character of the first two.
I'm a huge fan of Domingo, Hanzou, and Arthur from the first.
As the years have gone on I've also grown to love the Centuar/Rangers from the first two (Lyle and May).
I really love the design and charm of Kiwi from SFII but since his HP stays so low he's pretty much useless.
Also last random thought: Max >>>> Bowie
lol yeah Kiwi is useless pretty much the moment magic users start showing up. But until then he's a great meatshield/bait. He also has a really awesome move he randomly does so if you can RNG manipulate he'd still be worth bringing along. You made good points though. I have to play through Shining Force 1 still and you are inspiring me to take another crack at it.
Also @cirellio, definitely give it a full playthrough. I can't quite put my finger on it but I just enjoy it more.
Shining Force II is definitely more challenging, there are some notable flaws in I with AI (Balbazak battle for example).
But something about I just tickles my fancy a little bit more.
Jogurt for life! I made a Perler Bead of him a few weeks ago. My goal is to get everyone on the Force Jogurt rings one day.
Also @cirellio, definitely give it a full playthrough.
This Jogurt guy sounds pretty cool. I definitely will.
Originally posted by: Brock Landers
I just got Exile, which I'm excited to try out. Hardcoregaming101 inspired that move.
I used to love Exile when I was a kid, but it's very short (can be beaten in like an hour or 2 if I remember right)