I am sorry, but I can't believe that people keep wanting to pay dream these large amounts of money just for a rom. It's ridiculous.
But you can see people paying 5K for a Gray NWC or 15k + for a gold NWC?
This game does not exist anywhere else except in Jason's hands. 5k is a very small price to pay to own a part of history - in fact as a community - we're the ones MAKING history. NintendoAGE continues the legacy of the NES generation.
And to be fair if Dream has been given a private offer of $5,000 (that's what I understood from reading this thread, correct me if I'm wrong), then he's being very generous as to NOT do a private sale and allow this game to be available for the public. From what it sounds like, he's barely even trying to make a profit - just break eve.
Personally, I have no interest in this and will not be donating or purchasing. But if you have ANY interest in the proto/unreleased/homebrew scene then I would be embarrassed if I were you NOT to donate. Because if this never gets dumped, or sold privately this may never see the light of day.
ALL OF THIS SAID - I agree with nesguy. Someone who can actually do the release, or someone who is respected and trusted in this community needs to take charge of this project.
I have no problem donating to this cause as long as the rom file would be made public. for example the last thing I would want to do after dropping say $200 on this cause would be stuck having to pay another 60 or whatever just to have someone make this cartridge for me when I have all the material here right now to make my own personal copy.
I would almost think that it should be smaller steps to this being one of the later dumps to get out say do Exerion 2 because the price on it is only 750 for that one.
or a completely different idea would be to have one individual make say NGD is he wished make up a seperate paypal account just for collecting funds for dump releases that way we would have a "kitty" "freeParking" where we could vote on which game gets released next after we have enough funds. I realize that could cause alot of problems but just another idea.
If you guys want Exerion 2, I can do that instead.
Let me clarify my position on this: $5000 for the dump, and yes, public. Or, someone pays $5000 (2 people) and split costs and make CIB copies of the game. That is what I think should happen.
ninfan: People are going to argue about my pricing, but hey, I can't believe people pay thousands of dollars for XXX sealed game, proto, car, etc. It's anything. THe fact is, no one has this game, and I traded a gray NWC to get it. I'm giving the community an opportunity to see its release, but I'm not releasing this for free. EAT COMMUNISM 5K MONIES
All I'm gonna say is you do or ya don't. If you wanna see the game, ya pony in some money, if you don't care that much , you don't. Who cares if Jason makes money on this or breaks even. It's no different that what anyone does buying and reselling.Pay his price or don't. I think it's nice that the opportunity to get it released is even available. Hell, if I knew I could get Sim City released, I'd probably pay a ton, regardless if the owner was turning a profit on it or not. It wouldn't matter.
In case anyone is curious, I've counted a lot of the confusing replies and am estimating $530 actually pledged with another potential $200 from marvelus10 dependent on him selling stuff he hasn't made yet. There's another $150 from people who either think they're preordering a $50 cartridge or will donate $50 each on the basis that they can later buy a cartridge. It's hard to tell.
I would almost think that it should be smaller steps to this being one of the later dumps to get out say do Exerion 2 because the price on it is only 750 for that one.
I agree. NA would likely get more attention for releasing 4-5 dumps than just one, at least for now... by the time War on Wheels is one of the few undumped left available, the attention from previous dumps may well attract more people to the forum who would be willing to contribute. By the time we get to War on Wheels, assuming this becomes a tradition, if it's one of the few left... it might end up being a lot easier to get everyone involved. Not to mention, it would make a spectacular finale...
Well, NGD was the one who got the ball rolling on my last two previous releases, but it's looking grim here unless someone steps in...the others all depend on you guys= )
if you had something that was one of a kind and fit in nicely with your collection, would you sell it cheap?
No.
Originally posted by: Bronty
Yes dumping it for 5k is a different animal and a better offer [for DreamTR], but then that's no doubt why its acceptable where selling outright is not.
Originally posted by: Bronty
With one of a kinds if you let it go you're not getting it back again.. so if its something you like you just have to ask a whole pile of money for it or you're being foolish, plain and simple, and will regret the decsion.
Point.
Don't get me wrong with my earlier comments; I'm not trying to say that this offer is wrong or bad. It's sort of a weird kind of sale that can really be public. And if the public is willing to go for it, then so be it. But at the same time the public should be made aware of what and why that price exists. So I'm helping! Seriously!
After hearing the reasoning behind the pricing and thinking what I would ask for if it were my cart, I don't feel as bad about it. I thought it was just a "random" number that he decided on, not his invested interest. He is basically asking to be paid back for his expense.
That being the case, I don't have money to donate, AND get a repo cart if it gets made. What I will end up doing is purchase the cart from the highest donator that reproduces carts.
Can we split the thread for acutal donations and keep this one so everyone can keep bitching? If this would get rolling with an actual count, I think more people would start donating.
The donations list should probably be split even further as to who is willing to contribute to the rom cause ($5k) and who is willing to buy a CIB. If we get a count of actual CIB pre-orders than someone could be more likely to take the initiative and pony up some serious money to start a CIB release.
Count me in on the CIB release, but I'm not donating directly to the rom and then paying again to get a copy.
The donations list should probably be split even further as to who is willing to contribute to the rom cause ($5k) and who is willing to buy a CIB. If we get a count of actual CIB pre-orders than someone could be more likely to take the initiative and pony up some serious money to start a CIB release.
Count me in on the CIB release, but I'm not donating directly to the rom and then paying again to get a copy.
I would concur, that I'm "either/or" on this one, rather than "both/and".
MasonSushi: Yes,I basically want what I would have ot for selling a gray NWC, but I have to say...this site is FULL of resellers and people trying to make profit, including some people that POSTED their dismay towards what I was doing in here, so I find it kind of funny that even in the instances where I am NOT trying to make a profit, some people are chastising it.
Not sure what to think of that one, LOL..but no, I'm not trying to be evil here, I want the trade on the item = )
I think the only way "everyone" is happy is if this becomes a CIB release....because then everyone just pays for that.
DreamTR keeps the proto. The 5k is just to get the ROMs out there and it stays in his collection. That is the only reason he hasn't sold the cart for the 5k offer, cause he wants to keep it.
After being dumped it goes down to prob around 600-800 bucks at most after being dumped I would think.
The "value/devalue of proto, pre/post dump" arguments/inquiries do feel much like people are beating a dead horse at this point. That particular subject could definitely use a thread all it's own, as it seems to be the most frustrating for those trying to organize these projects. It seems like I've been reading the same questions about proto value in all 3 of the donation threads so far...
DreamTR keeps the proto. The 5k is just to get the ROMs out there and it stays in his collection. That is the only reason he hasn't sold the cart for the 5k offer, cause he wants to keep it.
After being dumped it goes down to prob around 600-800 bucks at most after being dumped I would think. ~~NGD
I dont understand how there is such a huge drop in value. The proto is still one of a kind, the roms and repos will have a watermark of some sort and if someone makes a production run of them they will not look like an original game so to speak. Its not like a proto of a game that was later released authorised by Nintendo. This one is more unique.
I still hope it gets released and I will be part of helping make that happen.
DreamTR keeps the proto. The 5k is just to get the ROMs out there and it stays in his collection. That is the only reason he hasn't sold the cart for the 5k offer, cause he wants to keep it.
After being dumped it goes down to prob around 600-800 bucks at most after being dumped I would think. ~~NGD
I dont understand how there is such a huge drop in value. The proto is still one of a kind, the roms and repos will have a watermark of some sort and if someone makes a production run of them they will not look like an original game so to speak. Its not like a proto of a game that was later released authorised by Nintendo. This one is more unique.
I still hope it gets released and I will be part of helping make that happen.
Recent sales of past dumped protos of unreleased games have sold for around $300-$350 (Hit the Ice, Sun Man, Crossfire, etc.) at open auction on EBay. I personally will (and have more than once) pay $1,500+ for an undumped proto and no more than $300 for a dumped unreleased proto. After it's been dumped, it becomes a very different collectable.
marvelus: Trust me. No one wants to pay $1500-5000 for dumped unreleased protos. The value significantly drops. Can't compare NWCs to this. If anyone says otherwise, they really need to look at all sales of unreleased undumped protos on auctions or message boards in comparison to their dumped counterparts after the fact. Yes, there are some exceptions to the rule like Earthbound (1st party high end), but that really is the only one..
marvelus: Trust me. No one wants to pay $1500-5000 for dumped unreleased protos. The value significantly drops. Can't compare NWCs to this. If anyone says otherwise, they really need to look at all sales of unreleased undumped protos on auctions or message boards in comparison to their dumped counterparts after the fact. Yes, there are some exceptions to the rule like Earthbound (1st party high end), but that really is the only one..
So you are saying any dumped first party games "Earthbound, NWC and the like" all retain their value after being dumped, but a third party title's value drop off sugnificantly?
^^^ NWC is an entirely different animal. There are roughly 100 copies floating around and they ALL retain their value. The backstory on that one, and people's desire to own part of the competition drives the value.
Earthbound is also unique. There is an extremely rabid following of all thing Earthbound (starmen.net, I think). I wouldn't use it as a benchmark for anything, since it is really an outlier.
So you are saying any dumped first party games "Earthbound, NWC and the like" all retain their value after being dumped, but a third party title's value drop off sugnificantly?
No, he listed Earthbound because it is the only unreleased game that sold for more after having been dumped than it did before it was dumped. Most people chalk that up to being a fluke because of who the buyer was, the "uneducated" wife of a collector who bought it for her husband as a gift. The cart sold for entirely too much and the husband tried to sell it (unsuccessfully) multiple times in hopes of recouping the initial investment.
Earthbound has some hype around it that most other protos do not have, so that could also have factored into the overpriced sale. Then again, California Raisins had just as much hype around it and sold for a fraction of what was originally offered before it had been dumped.
It absolutely did, if not more. I know Earthbound is all the rage right now, but when Raisins was discovered people freaked out. No one had the chance to play Raisins in any form, they could only look at magazine reviews and Capcom flyers.
If you do a quick search through the DP forums you'll see all the hubbub there was regarding Raisins when it was found. It went from a potential $2k moneys item to a $600 moneys item after being dumped.
You could make the argument that it had MORE hype to it. The story of the prototype is a thing of legend, and ultimately tragedy.
There's was a ton of hype behind it was huge due to the fact that numerous ads for the game existed, and it was a Capcom title. The story of the acquisition was straight out of a movie.
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I am sorry, but I can't believe that people keep wanting to pay dream these large amounts of money just for a rom. It's ridiculous.
But you can see people paying 5K for a Gray NWC or 15k + for a gold NWC?
This game does not exist anywhere else except in Jason's hands. 5k is a very small price to pay to own a part of history - in fact as a community - we're the ones MAKING history. NintendoAGE continues the legacy of the NES generation.
And to be fair if Dream has been given a private offer of $5,000 (that's what I understood from reading this thread, correct me if I'm wrong), then he's being very generous as to NOT do a private sale and allow this game to be available for the public. From what it sounds like, he's barely even trying to make a profit - just break eve.
Personally, I have no interest in this and will not be donating or purchasing. But if you have ANY interest in the proto/unreleased/homebrew scene then I would be embarrassed if I were you NOT to donate. Because if this never gets dumped, or sold privately this may never see the light of day.
ALL OF THIS SAID - I agree with nesguy. Someone who can actually do the release, or someone who is respected and trusted in this community needs to take charge of this project.
Good luck with it.
I would almost think that it should be smaller steps to this being one of the later dumps to get out say do Exerion 2 because the price on it is only 750 for that one.
or a completely different idea would be to have one individual make say NGD is he wished make up a seperate paypal account just for collecting funds for dump releases that way we would have a "kitty" "freeParking" where we could vote on which game gets released next after we have enough funds. I realize that could cause alot of problems but just another idea.
Let me clarify my position on this: $5000 for the dump, and yes, public. Or, someone pays $5000 (2 people) and split costs and make CIB copies of the game. That is what I think should happen.
ninfan: People are going to argue about my pricing, but hey, I can't believe people pay thousands of dollars for XXX sealed game, proto, car, etc. It's anything. THe fact is, no one has this game, and I traded a gray NWC to get it. I'm giving the community an opportunity to see its release, but I'm not releasing this for free. EAT COMMUNISM 5K MONIES
I would almost think that it should be smaller steps to this being one of the later dumps to get out say do Exerion 2 because the price on it is only 750 for that one.
I agree. NA would likely get more attention for releasing 4-5 dumps than just one, at least for now... by the time War on Wheels is one of the few undumped left available, the attention from previous dumps may well attract more people to the forum who would be willing to contribute. By the time we get to War on Wheels, assuming this becomes a tradition, if it's one of the few left... it might end up being a lot easier to get everyone involved. Not to mention, it would make a spectacular finale...
if you had something that was one of a kind and fit in nicely with your collection, would you sell it cheap?
No.
Yes dumping it for 5k is a different animal and a better offer [for DreamTR], but then that's no doubt why its acceptable where selling outright is not.
With one of a kinds if you let it go you're not getting it back again.. so if its something you like you just have to ask a whole pile of money for it or you're being foolish, plain and simple, and will regret the decsion.
Point.
Don't get me wrong with my earlier comments; I'm not trying to say that this offer is wrong or bad. It's sort of a weird kind of sale that can really be public. And if the public is willing to go for it, then so be it. But at the same time the public should be made aware of what and why that price exists. So I'm helping! Seriously!
Honest!
lol OK you win
That being the case, I don't have money to donate, AND get a repo cart if it gets made. What I will end up doing is purchase the cart from the highest donator that reproduces carts.
Count me in on the CIB release, but I'm not donating directly to the rom and then paying again to get a copy.
The donations list should probably be split even further as to who is willing to contribute to the rom cause ($5k) and who is willing to buy a CIB. If we get a count of actual CIB pre-orders than someone could be more likely to take the initiative and pony up some serious money to start a CIB release.
Count me in on the CIB release, but I'm not donating directly to the rom and then paying again to get a copy.
I would concur, that I'm "either/or" on this one, rather than "both/and".
Not sure what to think of that one, LOL..but no, I'm not trying to be evil here, I want the trade on the item = )
I think the only way "everyone" is happy is if this becomes a CIB release....because then everyone just pays for that.
good points nes guy!
After being dumped it goes down to prob around 600-800 bucks at most after being dumped I would think.
~~NGD
DreamTR keeps the proto. The 5k is just to get the ROMs out there and it stays in his collection. That is the only reason he hasn't sold the cart for the 5k offer, cause he wants to keep it.
After being dumped it goes down to prob around 600-800 bucks at most after being dumped I would think.
~~NGD
I dont understand how there is such a huge drop in value. The proto is still one of a kind, the roms and repos will have a watermark of some sort and if someone makes a production run of them they will not look like an original game so to speak. Its not like a proto of a game that was later released authorised by Nintendo. This one is more unique.
I still hope it gets released and I will be part of helping make that happen.
DreamTR keeps the proto. The 5k is just to get the ROMs out there and it stays in his collection. That is the only reason he hasn't sold the cart for the 5k offer, cause he wants to keep it.
After being dumped it goes down to prob around 600-800 bucks at most after being dumped I would think.
~~NGD
I dont understand how there is such a huge drop in value. The proto is still one of a kind, the roms and repos will have a watermark of some sort and if someone makes a production run of them they will not look like an original game so to speak. Its not like a proto of a game that was later released authorised by Nintendo. This one is more unique.
I still hope it gets released and I will be part of helping make that happen.
Recent sales of past dumped protos of unreleased games have sold for around $300-$350 (Hit the Ice, Sun Man, Crossfire, etc.) at open auction on EBay. I personally will (and have more than once) pay $1,500+ for an undumped proto and no more than $300 for a dumped unreleased proto. After it's been dumped, it becomes a very different collectable.
marvelus: Trust me. No one wants to pay $1500-5000 for dumped unreleased protos. The value significantly drops. Can't compare NWCs to this. If anyone says otherwise, they really need to look at all sales of unreleased undumped protos on auctions or message boards in comparison to their dumped counterparts after the fact. Yes, there are some exceptions to the rule like Earthbound (1st party high end), but that really is the only one..
So you are saying any dumped first party games "Earthbound, NWC and the like" all retain their value after being dumped, but a third party title's value drop off sugnificantly?
Earthbound is also unique. There is an extremely rabid following of all thing Earthbound (starmen.net, I think). I wouldn't use it as a benchmark for anything, since it is really an outlier.
So you are saying any dumped first party games "Earthbound, NWC and the like" all retain their value after being dumped, but a third party title's value drop off sugnificantly?
No, he listed Earthbound because it is the only unreleased game that sold for more after having been dumped than it did before it was dumped. Most people chalk that up to being a fluke because of who the buyer was, the "uneducated" wife of a collector who bought it for her husband as a gift. The cart sold for entirely too much and the husband tried to sell it (unsuccessfully) multiple times in hopes of recouping the initial investment.
Earthbound has some hype around it that most other protos do not have, so that could also have factored into the overpriced sale. Then again, California Raisins had just as much hype around it and sold for a fraction of what was originally offered before it had been dumped.
If you do a quick search through the DP forums you'll see all the hubbub there was regarding Raisins when it was found. It went from a potential $2k moneys item to a $600 moneys item after being dumped.
There's was a ton of hype behind it was huge due to the fact that numerous ads for the game existed, and it was a Capcom title. The story of the acquisition was straight out of a movie.