I'd rather shove my games in a dead animal than a fake box.
Personally I agree. But I don't see a difference between people who want to buy these and people who want to buy Universal Cases with printed art.
I know other people see a difference because one is going to potentially affect the collector aftermarket and the other isn't. But functionally, both are fake boxes on a shelf displayed for the aethestic warm-and-fuzzies they give the buyer.
Maybe I'm weird, but I like the idea of using universal cases, but not boxes. Cardboard boxes just aren't functional storage for games unless you want to handle them with great care every time you want to play a game (which is what I currently do for my CIB games), otherwise they get worn out very quickly. I've been thinking of getting UGCs for original gameboy games since the boxes are disproportionally so much more expensive and I really like a lot of the artwork. But that money could go towards more games/real boxes anyway, so...
As far as exact reproductions, we should just call them what they are: fake. If the boxes had an obvious difference, like some sort of watermark, then I'd be okay with it.. as long as there's no confusion for buyers down the road.
Replacement boxes, i.e. repros. Ugh. I think so many people in this thread have already stated the general thoughts on the product, namely bad for the real collectors, possibly neat for those who are solely gamers. I've been complaining about this sort of thing for years, but people always turned their blind eyes to it, due to the products being in their favor. But when the product starts screwing with them, suddenly it isn't cool anymore.
People so often ignore that with the "good" we have to take the bad. Furthermore, I am sure there are plenty of "fakes" out there that are actually real. Just yesterday I bought a game I needed for my collection and with the label being on the game so crooked, I was almost certain it was just a good fake...but after cracking it open, yup, it was the real deal. So when we sit behind a keyboard on the forums and point out the "flaws" that make the game to be a "fake" or a "repro", yeah well I am sure some folks have called it wrong.
I've lost a lot of money due to the repro market, I am sure at some point people will have enough and the value will tank for paper, if the fakes become good enough. How to stop this problem? Well you can't stop it, it had been building up for years. And among other places, it had been built up at NA too. One can't stand there and try to dictate how this ebay seller's "repros" are "bad". yet the ones that an established member here is making for Mario/Duck Hunt, or for their illegal run of an Asian original game is okay. It just comes off as being hypocritical, and it looks childish. Furthermore, when a seller / maker of replacement labels, boxes, etc sees that, it just weakens your case as to why what they are doing is wrong.
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Opinions like this are what destroy collecting. What is the point of collecting if you are just filling your collection with reproduction crap? Whatever makes you happy I guess.
I'd be happy if I had an existing, legit CIB collection and knew it was all real. Counterfeits are inevitable with rising values. Imagine starting collecting from scratch 10 years from now? How good with fake games and boxes be then? Boxes especially scare me, honestly I'm glad I don't collect expensive boxes or sealed games. I love collecting games but didn't start the hobby to become a museum curator quality counterfeit detector for every item I buy.
Imagine far in the future when we die off and the next generation has to judge on the spot whether our estate sale games and boxes are fake!
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Opinions like this are what destroy collecting. What is the point of collecting if you are just filling your collection with reproduction crap? Whatever makes you happy I guess.
Please ask this to those who collect all of the "safe" reproductions on NA; I've been asking this very question for years, what is the point of collecting repros, whether it is Timewalk or ebay dude's Chrono Trigger boxes. Never made sense to me.
I think we're going to reach a time where collectors won't buy a Near Mint box unless it's been graded or they know who they're buying from. Maybe it's also a case of the meek inheriting the earth; all the collectors who were okay with settling for worn boxes can be a bit more confident that what they own is legit.
This, absolutely, 100%. With a few minor exceptions for games that meant a lot to me growing up, I made it a point to put together a CIB collection with boxes that varied from 5/10-9/10 shape. I'm about 90% of the way there, and looking back, I'm really happy with that decision to not put a huge amount of emphasis on box/manual quality.
I find it funny how he has different prices like these fakes have different values. Pick a number and stick with it. 12-20 + shipping just makes the guy seem like a child for prices.
I was thinking the same exact thing. The difference in price makes absolutley no sense.
Please ask this to those who collect all of the "safe" reproductions on NA; I've been asking this very question for years, what is the point of collecting repros, whether it is Timewalk or ebay dude's Chrono Trigger boxes. Never made sense to me.
Just to be fair not everyone who owns a timewalk game did it to collect, i bought four from them in 2012 to play which i have.
Speaking of timewalk i have not seen Spencer in a long time, maybe he changed his name or has not logged in a long time.
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Whatabout all the people who have originals and have spent big money acquiring them? There needs to be (to a pro there always will be ways) to tell apart an original from a reproduction. Its shameful, deceitful, dishonest, unethical, and selfish when people take a fake and try to pass it off as an original.
Who cares? You spent a bunch of money on frivalous items, if it all becomes worthless because of market forces well that's just the fucking risk you take buying collectables. I'm certainly not going to shed any tears because someone lost money speculating on fucking video games.
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Whatabout all the people who have originals and have spent big money acquiring them? There needs to be (to a pro there always will be ways) to tell apart an original from a reproduction. Its shameful, deceitful, dishonest, unethical, and selfish when people take a fake and try to pass it off as an original.
Who cares? You spent a bunch of money on frivalous items, if it all becomes worthless because of market forces well that's just the fucking risk you take buying collectables. I'm certainly not going to shed any tears because someone lost money speculating on fucking video games.
I'm not as much of a purist as others but if you want to bring economic theories into this, you can't really say a collapse would be due to "market forces" because it would really be due to "illegal activity." I think there's a good argument to be made that you spend your money in a market based on certain rules, such as "I'm paying X dollars for something because it is so rare." If a cache of authentic boxes is found and crashes the value, I don't think anyone here would cry over that as that was foreseeable when you got into this, but losing value because someone is skirting copyright/trademark law is another thing that wouldn't sit well with most people I think.
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Whatabout all the people who have originals and have spent big money acquiring them? There needs to be (to a pro there always will be ways) to tell apart an original from a reproduction. Its shameful, deceitful, dishonest, unethical, and selfish when people take a fake and try to pass it off as an original.
Who cares? You spent a bunch of money on frivalous items, if it all becomes worthless because of market forces well that's just the fucking risk you take buying collectables. I'm certainly not going to shed any tears because someone lost money speculating on fucking video games.
I'm not as much of a purist as others but if you want to bring economic theories into this, you can't really say a collapse would be due to "market forces" because it would really be due to "illegal activity." I think there's a good argument to be made that you spend your money in a market based on certain rules, such as "I'm paying X dollars for something because it is so rare." If a cache of authentic boxes is found and crashes the value, I don't think anyone here would cry over that as that was foreseeable when you got into this, but losing value because someone is skirting copyright/trademark law is another thing that wouldn't sit well with most people I think.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
I'd rather shove my games in a dead animal than a fake box.
Right?? I don't get how people can add fake shit to a collection. I've seen here on NA a few times too. I remember one guy was talking about how his NES collection was starting to look good after adding fake Little Samson to it.
I'd rather shove my games in a dead animal than a fake box.
Right?? I don't get how people can add fake shit to a collection. I've seen here on NA a few times too. I remember one guy was talking about how his NES collection was starting to look good after adding fake Little Samson to it.
But the biggest thing, as a collector, it makes you look very, very stupid. Here's how people with reproductions look to me:
Hey guys, wanna see my Sega CD collection? I have them all:
And here's my movie collection:
All reproductions do, is give money to the same people who screw over real collectors. They don't allow you to play games; there are other ways to that are better.
edit: why do all my against's seem to be missing an a ?
That said, I do put my Sega CD stuff in "fake cases", same as handhelds, but they're not pretending to be the original stuff. They're cases, and the setup is my own, as far as I know there is no one with my same cases & artwork.
In this case, it saves wear & tear on boxes\cases, and lets me have a bit of a personal touch. But I'd never ever use one that looks like the original. I have a few DS cases I printed off the original artwork without thinking (mostly cause all the others I had were custom), I'm going back through these and trying to modify them so I can sport them and know it's not legit from all sides (Including spine) The handhelds are all cases I made modified from thecoverproject.
I really dont see why people go so ape shit over some fake boxes. How I see it, that actual collectors who value the history, the authenticity and the actual games dont give a shit about those repro boxes or fake games. Naturally some newcomers get fooled or they even start to go to that direction, but that has got nothing to do with me if new collectors start collecting games and repro boxes, rather than the authentic ones. That would actually mean the real deals would eventually get cheaper for "real collectors"... It is what you collect and what you hold in value. Naturally this means that I too have to keep much more closer eye on what to buy and ask all kinds of detail pictures of boxes (mainly the seal of quality with the gold ink is pretty hard / expensive to fake still nowadays...).
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
The dishonesty is what will kill the hobby. Yes this might either help or hurt the value of the authentic boxes. I see it doing more harm than good. Since we see a lot of fake boxes and rare games flowing into the market that means the true official products will swell even more BECAUSE they are authentic. Naturally I see a lot of these d-bags trying to pass their boxes off as official and mint and try to make it seem like its the real deal as well. There is no win-win situation to this.
Yes we as collector's have to be careful buying stuff online but it is still hard to do that when all you have is a picture that can be easily "altered" to make it seem official till you actually receive it in hand. I will be grateful for what I have, before things got complicated. It also might affect other systems that are little easier to get. Since they don't gain a lot of profit making cheap games. The cheap games might get more expensive, since nobody will bother to make them
What do you guys think about Donkey Kong arcade cabinet replica?
I'm thinking of building one, and your opinion will not change anything, but in the arcade enthusiasts world, they are mostly seen as a very positive thing (as opposed to taking an original cab and transforming it into a MAME arcade). They are never the same as an original though, so if anyone was trying to sell one it would be obvious.
Also, what seems very acceptable, is transforming a cabinet into another one for another game (change the PCB, controls, bezel, marquee, paint), while in this world, changing a cip in a cartridge would be frowned upon.
Arcade cabinets are sort of a different beast, and "collecting" them generally works very different from something like boxed console games.
I suspect that most of the people building Nintendo-style cabinets (i.e. DK, DK JR, Mario Bros) probably have real arcade boards that they're going to populate them with, or they're doing it as a D2K conversion.
And they doing have authentic serial number plates, unless they were salvaged from a real machine.
(add to that how many arcade machines are conversions of one sort, or another, to begin with)
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
If the OEM made reproductions it's diffrent than if someone in their house did it. Remember though, this happened with Majesco stuff.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Funny enough thats exactly what happens with cars and people dont go apeshit over it. I can build almost an entire 77 firebird out of reproduced parts out of a printed catalog and none of the parts are marked reproduction and none of the parts are sanctioned by GM. And yet the whole car collecting world has not collapsed.
I think it is all a matter of deception (for our own purpose). If 100% of the people were 100% honest 100% of the time, nobody would care about reproductions (although they would require a payment to the IP rights holder, making them officially licensed items).
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Funny enough thats exactly what happens with cars and people dont go apeshit over it. I can build almost an entire 77 firebird out of reproduced parts out of a printed catalog and none of the parts are marked reproduction and none of the parts are sanctioned by GM. And yet the whole car collecting world has not collapsed.
But you would get MUCH more with numbers-matching and vintage parts. And yes, a lot of people DO go apeshit about using non-standard parts.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Funny enough thats exactly what happens with cars and people dont go apeshit over it. I can build almost an entire 77 firebird out of reproduced parts out of a printed catalog and none of the parts are marked reproduction and none of the parts are sanctioned by GM. And yet the whole car collecting world has not collapsed.
But you would get MUCH more with numbers-matching and vintage parts. And yes, a lot of people DO go apeshit about using non-standard parts.
Oh you absolutley get more money for all original. But ive yet to go onto a classic car forum where a guy asks whats the best repro part to use is and they get attacked with the vitriol thats seen here. Sure there are guys into old cars that prefer all original but there not on a witch hunt to shut down every service that offers a repro decal or cigarette lighter. It just doesnt happen.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Funny enough thats exactly what happens with cars and people dont go apeshit over it. I can build almost an entire 77 firebird out of reproduced parts out of a printed catalog and none of the parts are marked reproduction and none of the parts are sanctioned by GM. And yet the whole car collecting world has not collapsed.
But you would get MUCH more with numbers-matching and vintage parts. And yes, a lot of people DO go apeshit about using non-standard parts.
Oh you absolutley get more money for all original. But ive yet to go onto a classic car forum where a guy asks whats the best repro part to use is and they get attacked with the vitriol thats seen here. Sure there are guys into old cars that prefer all original but there not on a witch hunt to shut down every service that offers a repro decal or cigarette lighter. It just doesnt happen.
and I'm saying it does. My dad and I have a 1929 Model A, my grandpa restored. The interior was done in tweed, and looks nice, but he cought a ton of flack on it; some were just plain assholes.
The difference between the A and the 77 Pontiac though, Pontiac fans are awesome, and Ford fans suck. I doubt people would care less, but then again, look at how many people are upset at what the monkeys did to that poor GTO. The bastards.
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Whatabout all the people who have originals and have spent big money acquiring them? There needs to be (to a pro there always will be ways) to tell apart an original from a reproduction. Its shameful, deceitful, dishonest, unethical, and selfish when people take a fake and try to pass it off as an original.
Who cares? You spent a bunch of money on frivalous items, if it all becomes worthless because of market forces well that's just the fucking risk you take buying collectables. I'm certainly not going to shed any tears because someone lost money speculating on fucking video games.
I'm not as much of a purist as others but if you want to bring economic theories into this, you can't really say a collapse would be due to "market forces" because it would really be due to "illegal activity." I think there's a good argument to be made that you spend your money in a market based on certain rules, such as "I'm paying X dollars for something because it is so rare." If a cache of authentic boxes is found and crashes the value, I don't think anyone here would cry over that as that was foreseeable when you got into this, but losing value because someone is skirting copyright/trademark law is another thing that wouldn't sit well with most people I think.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
So you are trying to equate people making and selling bootlegs of video games to someone committing grand theft auto? So are you saying that the people making bootlegs are literally stealing your video games from you? That's quite the leap in logic there hommie.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Funny enough thats exactly what happens with cars and people dont go apeshit over it. I can build almost an entire 77 firebird out of reproduced parts out of a printed catalog and none of the parts are marked reproduction and none of the parts are sanctioned by GM. And yet the whole car collecting world has not collapsed.
But you would get MUCH more with numbers-matching and vintage parts. And yes, a lot of people DO go apeshit about using non-standard parts.
Oh you absolutley get more money for all original. But ive yet to go onto a classic car forum where a guy asks whats the best repro part to use is and they get attacked with the vitriol thats seen here. Sure there are guys into old cars that prefer all original but there not on a witch hunt to shut down every service that offers a repro decal or cigarette lighter. It just doesnt happen.
and I'm saying it does. My dad and I have a 1929 Model A, my grandpa restored. The interior was done in tweed, and looks nice, but he cought a ton of flack on it; some were just plain assholes. The difference between the A and the 77 Pontiac though, Pontiac fans are awesome, and Ford fans suck. I doubt people would care less, but then again, look at how many people are upset at what the monkeys did to that poor GTO. The bastards.
Then thats the first Ive really heard of it to be honest. I talk to alot of guys at car shows (biggest one in our area is Memorial Day M&M's show) and no one really cares like that its always "hey thats cool"
Was it some old timers that gave you crap maybe? Anyway there's still not a huge group of them out to shut everyone down who reproduces parts its a billion dollar industry.
How did this thread go from the replacement boxes to old kickass cars lol but reading through I see some actually reported these repo makers which is up to you if you do I don't like them either. I'm not understanding how a old classic car getting redone is the same. Really makes me want to get that 71 dodge demon I always wanted
How did this thread go from the replacement boxes to old kickass cars lol but reading through I see some actually reported these repo makers which is up to you if you do I don't like them either. I'm not understanding how a old classic car getting redone is the same. Really makes me want to get that 71 dodge demon I always wanted
Let me clear myslef up (not to sound condescending just trying to make my point) I could go online and buy a replacement label (sticker) for my NES game. I could also go online and buy a replacement Firebird decal (sticker) for my '77. The NES sticker results in being drawn and quartered on a forum the other results in a bunch of guys asking hows the quality and what method I used to apply it. Both are reproduced stickers coming from places that don't own the rights to them but this group sends out the mob while the car guys hand you a beer
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I'd rather shove my games in a dead animal than a fake box.
Personally I agree. But I don't see a difference between people who want to buy these and people who want to buy Universal Cases with printed art.
I know other people see a difference because one is going to potentially affect the collector aftermarket and the other isn't. But functionally, both are fake boxes on a shelf displayed for the aethestic warm-and-fuzzies they give the buyer.
Maybe I'm weird, but I like the idea of using universal cases, but not boxes. Cardboard boxes just aren't functional storage for games unless you want to handle them with great care every time you want to play a game (which is what I currently do for my CIB games), otherwise they get worn out very quickly. I've been thinking of getting UGCs for original gameboy games since the boxes are disproportionally so much more expensive and I really like a lot of the artwork. But that money could go towards more games/real boxes anyway, so...
As far as exact reproductions, we should just call them what they are: fake. If the boxes had an obvious difference, like some sort of watermark, then I'd be okay with it.. as long as there's no confusion for buyers down the road.
People so often ignore that with the "good" we have to take the bad. Furthermore, I am sure there are plenty of "fakes" out there that are actually real. Just yesterday I bought a game I needed for my collection and with the label being on the game so crooked, I was almost certain it was just a good fake...but after cracking it open, yup, it was the real deal. So when we sit behind a keyboard on the forums and point out the "flaws" that make the game to be a "fake" or a "repro", yeah well I am sure some folks have called it wrong.
I've lost a lot of money due to the repro market, I am sure at some point people will have enough and the value will tank for paper, if the fakes become good enough. How to stop this problem? Well you can't stop it, it had been building up for years. And among other places, it had been built up at NA too. One can't stand there and try to dictate how this ebay seller's "repros" are "bad". yet the ones that an established member here is making for Mario/Duck Hunt, or for their illegal run of an Asian original game is okay. It just comes off as being hypocritical, and it looks childish. Furthermore, when a seller / maker of replacement labels, boxes, etc sees that, it just weakens your case as to why what they are doing is wrong.
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Opinions like this are what destroy collecting. What is the point of collecting if you are just filling your collection with reproduction crap? Whatever makes you happy I guess.
Imagine far in the future when we die off and the next generation has to judge on the spot whether our estate sale games and boxes are fake!
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Opinions like this are what destroy collecting. What is the point of collecting if you are just filling your collection with reproduction crap? Whatever makes you happy I guess.
Please ask this to those who collect all of the "safe" reproductions on NA; I've been asking this very question for years, what is the point of collecting repros, whether it is Timewalk or ebay dude's Chrono Trigger boxes. Never made sense to me.
I think we're going to reach a time where collectors won't buy a Near Mint box unless it's been graded or they know who they're buying from. Maybe it's also a case of the meek inheriting the earth; all the collectors who were okay with settling for worn boxes can be a bit more confident that what they own is legit.
This, absolutely, 100%. With a few minor exceptions for games that meant a lot to me growing up, I made it a point to put together a CIB collection with boxes that varied from 5/10-9/10 shape. I'm about 90% of the way there, and looking back, I'm really happy with that decision to not put a huge amount of emphasis on box/manual quality.
I remember this guy. lol
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?StartRow=1&...
I find it funny how he has different prices like these fakes have different values. Pick a number and stick with it. 12-20 + shipping just makes the guy seem like a child for prices.
I was thinking the same exact thing. The difference in price makes absolutley no sense.
Please ask this to those who collect all of the "safe" reproductions on NA; I've been asking this very question for years, what is the point of collecting repros, whether it is Timewalk or ebay dude's Chrono Trigger boxes. Never made sense to me.
Just to be fair not everyone who owns a timewalk game did it to collect, i bought four from them in 2012 to play which i have.
Speaking of timewalk i have not seen Spencer in a long time, maybe he changed his name or has not logged in a long time.
He sells other high end fakes as well. http://www.ebay.com/sch/brockhead27/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
And yes i know its the same guy the op was talking about.
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Whatabout all the people who have originals and have spent big money acquiring them? There needs to be (to a pro there always will be ways) to tell apart an original from a reproduction. Its shameful, deceitful, dishonest, unethical, and selfish when people take a fake and try to pass it off as an original.
Who cares? You spent a bunch of money on frivalous items, if it all becomes worthless because of market forces well that's just the fucking risk you take buying collectables. I'm certainly not going to shed any tears because someone lost money speculating on fucking video games.
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Whatabout all the people who have originals and have spent big money acquiring them? There needs to be (to a pro there always will be ways) to tell apart an original from a reproduction. Its shameful, deceitful, dishonest, unethical, and selfish when people take a fake and try to pass it off as an original.
Who cares? You spent a bunch of money on frivalous items, if it all becomes worthless because of market forces well that's just the fucking risk you take buying collectables. I'm certainly not going to shed any tears because someone lost money speculating on fucking video games.
I'm not as much of a purist as others but if you want to bring economic theories into this, you can't really say a collapse would be due to "market forces" because it would really be due to "illegal activity." I think there's a good argument to be made that you spend your money in a market based on certain rules, such as "I'm paying X dollars for something because it is so rare." If a cache of authentic boxes is found and crashes the value, I don't think anyone here would cry over that as that was foreseeable when you got into this, but losing value because someone is skirting copyright/trademark law is another thing that wouldn't sit well with most people I think.
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Whatabout all the people who have originals and have spent big money acquiring them? There needs to be (to a pro there always will be ways) to tell apart an original from a reproduction. Its shameful, deceitful, dishonest, unethical, and selfish when people take a fake and try to pass it off as an original.
Who cares? You spent a bunch of money on frivalous items, if it all becomes worthless because of market forces well that's just the fucking risk you take buying collectables. I'm certainly not going to shed any tears because someone lost money speculating on fucking video games.
I'm not as much of a purist as others but if you want to bring economic theories into this, you can't really say a collapse would be due to "market forces" because it would really be due to "illegal activity." I think there's a good argument to be made that you spend your money in a market based on certain rules, such as "I'm paying X dollars for something because it is so rare." If a cache of authentic boxes is found and crashes the value, I don't think anyone here would cry over that as that was foreseeable when you got into this, but losing value because someone is skirting copyright/trademark law is another thing that wouldn't sit well with most people I think.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
I'd rather shove my games in a dead animal than a fake box.
Right?? I don't get how people can add fake shit to a collection. I've seen here on NA a few times too. I remember one guy was talking about how his NES collection was starting to look good after adding fake Little Samson to it.
I'd rather shove my games in a dead animal than a fake box.
Right?? I don't get how people can add fake shit to a collection. I've seen here on NA a few times too. I remember one guy was talking about how his NES collection was starting to look good after adding fake Little Samson to it.
To quote myself from another thread, over here: http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=5&threadid=161352
But the biggest thing, as a collector, it makes you look very, very stupid. Here's how people with reproductions look to me:
Hey guys, wanna see my Sega CD collection? I have them all:
And here's my movie collection:
All reproductions do, is give money to the same people who screw over real collectors. They don't allow you to play games; there are other ways to that are better.
edit: why do all my against's seem to be missing an a ?
That said, I do put my Sega CD stuff in "fake cases", same as handhelds, but they're not pretending to be the original stuff. They're cases, and the setup is my own, as far as I know there is no one with my same cases & artwork.
In this case, it saves wear & tear on boxes\cases, and lets me have a bit of a personal touch. But I'd never ever use one that looks like the original. I have a few DS cases I printed off the original artwork without thinking (mostly cause all the others I had were custom), I'm going back through these and trying to modify them so I can sport them and know it's not legit from all sides (Including spine) The handhelds are all cases I made modified from thecoverproject.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Sorry to bump this but please report this clown with me guys http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metal-War...-
He sells other high end fakes as well. http://www.ebay.com/sch/brockhead...=
And yes i know its the same guy the op was talking about.
Agree, report him please. I reported every single one of his auctions.
Yes we as collector's have to be careful buying stuff online but it is still hard to do that when all you have is a picture that can be easily "altered" to make it seem official till you actually receive it in hand. I will be grateful for what I have, before things got complicated. It also might affect other systems that are little easier to get. Since they don't gain a lot of profit making cheap games. The cheap games might get more expensive, since nobody will bother to make them
What do you guys think about Donkey Kong arcade cabinet replica?
I'm thinking of building one, and your opinion will not change anything, but in the arcade enthusiasts world, they are mostly seen as a very positive thing (as opposed to taking an original cab and transforming it into a MAME arcade). They are never the same as an original though, so if anyone was trying to sell one it would be obvious.
Also, what seems very acceptable, is transforming a cabinet into another one for another game (change the PCB, controls, bezel, marquee, paint), while in this world, changing a cip in a cartridge would be frowned upon.
Arcade cabinets are sort of a different beast, and "collecting" them generally works very different from something like boxed console games.
I suspect that most of the people building Nintendo-style cabinets (i.e. DK, DK JR, Mario Bros) probably have real arcade boards that they're going to populate them with, or they're doing it as a D2K conversion.
And they doing have authentic serial number plates, unless they were salvaged from a real machine.
(add to that how many arcade machines are conversions of one sort, or another, to begin with)
It's just a different beast, entirely.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
If the OEM made reproductions it's diffrent than if someone in their house did it. Remember though, this happened with Majesco stuff.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Funny enough thats exactly what happens with cars and people dont go apeshit over it. I can build almost an entire 77 firebird out of reproduced parts out of a printed catalog and none of the parts are marked reproduction and none of the parts are sanctioned by GM. And yet the whole car collecting world has not collapsed.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Funny enough thats exactly what happens with cars and people dont go apeshit over it. I can build almost an entire 77 firebird out of reproduced parts out of a printed catalog and none of the parts are marked reproduction and none of the parts are sanctioned by GM. And yet the whole car collecting world has not collapsed.
But you would get MUCH more with numbers-matching and vintage parts. And yes, a lot of people DO go apeshit about using non-standard parts.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Funny enough thats exactly what happens with cars and people dont go apeshit over it. I can build almost an entire 77 firebird out of reproduced parts out of a printed catalog and none of the parts are marked reproduction and none of the parts are sanctioned by GM. And yet the whole car collecting world has not collapsed.
But you would get MUCH more with numbers-matching and vintage parts. And yes, a lot of people DO go apeshit about using non-standard parts.
Oh you absolutley get more money for all original. But ive yet to go onto a classic car forum where a guy asks whats the best repro part to use is and they get attacked with the vitriol thats seen here. Sure there are guys into old cars that prefer all original but there not on a witch hunt to shut down every service that offers a repro decal or cigarette lighter. It just doesnt happen.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Funny enough thats exactly what happens with cars and people dont go apeshit over it. I can build almost an entire 77 firebird out of reproduced parts out of a printed catalog and none of the parts are marked reproduction and none of the parts are sanctioned by GM. And yet the whole car collecting world has not collapsed.
But you would get MUCH more with numbers-matching and vintage parts. And yes, a lot of people DO go apeshit about using non-standard parts.
Oh you absolutley get more money for all original. But ive yet to go onto a classic car forum where a guy asks whats the best repro part to use is and they get attacked with the vitriol thats seen here. Sure there are guys into old cars that prefer all original but there not on a witch hunt to shut down every service that offers a repro decal or cigarette lighter. It just doesnt happen.
and I'm saying it does. My dad and I have a 1929 Model A, my grandpa restored. The interior was done in tweed, and looks nice, but he cought a ton of flack on it; some were just plain assholes.
The difference between the A and the 77 Pontiac though, Pontiac fans are awesome, and Ford fans suck. I doubt people would care less, but then again, look at how many people are upset at what the monkeys did to that poor GTO. The bastards.
This is without a doubt going to be the most unpopular opinion ever posted to this site, but when I think of all of the original boxes that have been destroyed or otherwise mutilated in the course of people being jackasses, I actually wish for someone to be able to make exact replicas to replace all of them. Like, if it's so absolutely perfect, every detail is authentic, what's really the point in caring if it's the real deal or not? It isn't the game that's being forged, it's the (arguably) most fragile part of the original experience.
Fake games really bug me, since everyone can just download these old titles free of charge from tons of websites. You can't download and make your own near perfect reproduction of a box without putting in a lot of effort, at least, as far as I'm concerned. This opinion might come from me just loving the boxes and the way they look on shelves more than I care if my collection is valued at anything over worthless.
Whatabout all the people who have originals and have spent big money acquiring them? There needs to be (to a pro there always will be ways) to tell apart an original from a reproduction. Its shameful, deceitful, dishonest, unethical, and selfish when people take a fake and try to pass it off as an original.
Who cares? You spent a bunch of money on frivalous items, if it all becomes worthless because of market forces well that's just the fucking risk you take buying collectables. I'm certainly not going to shed any tears because someone lost money speculating on fucking video games.
I'm not as much of a purist as others but if you want to bring economic theories into this, you can't really say a collapse would be due to "market forces" because it would really be due to "illegal activity." I think there's a good argument to be made that you spend your money in a market based on certain rules, such as "I'm paying X dollars for something because it is so rare." If a cache of authentic boxes is found and crashes the value, I don't think anyone here would cry over that as that was foreseeable when you got into this, but losing value because someone is skirting copyright/trademark law is another thing that wouldn't sit well with most people I think.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
So you are trying to equate people making and selling bootlegs of video games to someone committing grand theft auto? So are you saying that the people making bootlegs are literally stealing your video games from you? That's quite the leap in logic there hommie.
Exactly, good point. It would however sit well with pegboy. Hey pegboy if you buy an expensive car and someone steals it, its.your fault for dropping money on something sweet.
Actually, considering the methods in place to allow someone to protect their car, if someone stole it, it would be his fault for not locking his doors and/or keeping it in a garage. The question at hand here is what if someone took high definition 3D scans of the car and reproduced it bit by bit at a fraction of the cost. Car manufacturers are pretty active about that kind of stuff, so anyone actually ripping off a car's logos or even design would be in a fucking legal maelstrom.
What if Nintendo or Square[Enix] or any other company decided they would capitalize on the collector's market and reproduce boxes and manuals, exactly up to specificiation with none of the flaws this guy's have. It would cost them literally pennies and they could easily get 10-20 dollars a box depending on the popularity of the game. They're glossy and printed at a proper DPI, everything is just outstanding. The bar code's there and no matter what kind of professional collector you are, unless you have a lab to date the ink used like those antique document professionals (which probably wouldn't even work, honestly), you could not tell the difference: Is the box authentic now because of its producer?
Funny enough thats exactly what happens with cars and people dont go apeshit over it. I can build almost an entire 77 firebird out of reproduced parts out of a printed catalog and none of the parts are marked reproduction and none of the parts are sanctioned by GM. And yet the whole car collecting world has not collapsed.
But you would get MUCH more with numbers-matching and vintage parts. And yes, a lot of people DO go apeshit about using non-standard parts.
Oh you absolutley get more money for all original. But ive yet to go onto a classic car forum where a guy asks whats the best repro part to use is and they get attacked with the vitriol thats seen here. Sure there are guys into old cars that prefer all original but there not on a witch hunt to shut down every service that offers a repro decal or cigarette lighter. It just doesnt happen.
and I'm saying it does. My dad and I have a 1929 Model A, my grandpa restored. The interior was done in tweed, and looks nice, but he cought a ton of flack on it; some were just plain assholes. The difference between the A and the 77 Pontiac though, Pontiac fans are awesome, and Ford fans suck. I doubt people would care less, but then again, look at how many people are upset at what the monkeys did to that poor GTO. The bastards.
Then thats the first Ive really heard of it to be honest. I talk to alot of guys at car shows (biggest one in our area is Memorial Day M&M's show) and no one really cares like that its always "hey thats cool"
Was it some old timers that gave you crap maybe? Anyway there's still not a huge group of them out to shut everyone down who reproduces parts its a billion dollar industry.
How did this thread go from the replacement boxes to old kickass cars lol but reading through I see some actually reported these repo makers which is up to you if you do I don't like them either. I'm not understanding how a old classic car getting redone is the same. Really makes me want to get that 71 dodge demon I always wanted
Let me clear myslef up (not to sound condescending just trying to make my point) I could go online and buy a replacement label (sticker) for my NES game. I could also go online and buy a replacement Firebird decal (sticker) for my '77. The NES sticker results in being drawn and quartered on a forum the other results in a bunch of guys asking hows the quality and what method I used to apply it. Both are reproduced stickers coming from places that don't own the rights to them but this group sends out the mob while the car guys hand you a beer