Man brock. Your montana game collecting experience is different than texas based on tgise updates. Just looked through them closer. Lemmings an r2? Ive seen that game no more than 5-10 times over tge years. Youve come across that at an r2 rate? Id place it in the r4/5 territory personally. Def is interesting seeing what people see of certain titles
And see I wouldn't put it as an R2 but I wouldn't give it a 5 either as I've seen it a number of times. I'd be more apt to give it a 3/4. Lemmings 2, on the other hand, I feel is deserving of it's 6 it's very uncommon for me to find that in the wild.
yeah i was leaning towards more R4 on that one. If there were sub rankings 4.5 . But yeah I agree on 2. Ive come across it 2 times I believe. First time it was 15 and I bought it for my collection. Almost full retail at the time. Other time I sold it because it was in sub par condition and I already had it. Every bit an R6
From his updates Id also kick up feivel to an R6. Ive seen it once and its in my collection
How are these rarity values being determined? Is there a database somewhere to see how many copies of every game were produced/sold? I see quite a few games on the list that are rated at a 1-3 and they sell on eBay for $50-$80 dollars. And they also aren't games I see out in the wild or at my local retro stores very often.
Just to pick out a few, Sunset Riders, King of Dragons and Knights of the Round are all rated 1-3, yet those all sell for $70+ on eBay and I rarely see them when I'm out and about. And according to the official chart, a 3 is still considered a common game. Granted, all 3 of those games are extremely fun games, but if they're really common games, I can't imagine they'd be $70+ just because they're fun to play.
How are these rarity values being determined? Is there a database somewhere to see how many copies of every game were produced/sold? I see quite a few games on the list that are rated at a 1-3 and they sell on eBay for $50-$80 dollars. And they also aren't games I see out in the wild or at my local retro stores very often.
Just to pick out a few, Sunset Riders, King of Dragons and Knights of the Round are all rated 1-3, yet those all sell for $70+ on eBay and I rarely see them when I'm out and about. And according to the official chart, a 3 is still considered a common game. Granted, all 3 of those games are extremely fun games, but if they're really common games, I can't imagine they'd be $70+ just because they're fun to play.
the list you are looking at is the very database we are trying to make actually more accurate, and the point of the thread
How are these rarity values being determined? Is there a database somewhere to see how many copies of every game were produced/sold? I see quite a few games on the list that are rated at a 1-3 and they sell on eBay for $50-$80 dollars. And they also aren't games I see out in the wild or at my local retro stores very often.
Just to pick out a few, Sunset Riders, King of Dragons and Knights of the Round are all rated 1-3, yet those all sell for $70+ on eBay and I rarely see them when I'm out and about. And according to the official chart, a 3 is still considered a common game. Granted, all 3 of those games are extremely fun games, but if they're really common games, I can't imagine they'd be $70+ just because they're fun to play.
Exactly. Most of my suggestions are to start putting some of the more egragious examples closer to reality. Sunset Riders may very well be a 4 or 5
How are these rarity values being determined? Is there a database somewhere to see how many copies of every game were produced/sold? I see quite a few games on the list that are rated at a 1-3 and they sell on eBay for $50-$80 dollars. And they also aren't games I see out in the wild or at my local retro stores very often.
Just to pick out a few, Sunset Riders, King of Dragons and Knights of the Round are all rated 1-3, yet those all sell for $70+ on eBay and I rarely see them when I'm out and about. And according to the official chart, a 3 is still considered a common game. Granted, all 3 of those games are extremely fun games, but if they're really common games, I can't imagine they'd be $70+ just because they're fun to play.
the list you are looking at is the very database we are trying to make actually more accurate, and the point of the thread
No, I understand that. I was just curious how the values were being calculated, in the first place, when the rarity listings were first created.
How are these rarity values being determined? Is there a database somewhere to see how many copies of every game were produced/sold? I see quite a few games on the list that are rated at a 1-3 and they sell on eBay for $50-$80 dollars. And they also aren't games I see out in the wild or at my local retro stores very often.
Just to pick out a few, Sunset Riders, King of Dragons and Knights of the Round are all rated 1-3, yet those all sell for $70+ on eBay and I rarely see them when I'm out and about. And according to the official chart, a 3 is still considered a common game. Granted, all 3 of those games are extremely fun games, but if they're really common games, I can't imagine they'd be $70+ just because they're fun to play.
the list you are looking at is the very database we are trying to make actually more accurate, and the point of the thread
No, I understand that. I was just curious how the values were being calculated, in the first place, when the rarity listings were first created.
I'd almost say it's safe to go by publisher as (you have to figure) the likes of Seta, Gametek, Cybersoft, Raya Systems and Sofel didn't release nearly as many copies of their games as Konami, Capcom or Nintendo themselves likely did. Even though lots of their games hold next to zero value in terms of the more popular companies, I'd still say they're all minimum of 5's across the board with their releases with some obviously being rarer then that. Have you ever seen a TKO Boxing or Air Cavalry at a local gamestore? Or a Musya, Zool or Cacoma Knight for instance? I know I have not.
Taito has consistently been another developer that's got more uncommon (but sought after) games for the early Nintendo systems, and looking over a list of their released games for the SNES, besides the Darius and sports games... Sonic Blastman 2, Jetsons and Flintstones are all pricey and all fairly uncommon/rare.
I'd consider bumping Sonic blast man 2, Run Saber, and Nosferatu up to a 7 at least, NTSC copies are pretty few and far in between, especially Nosferatu.
Spanky's quest is another one that definitely needs an adjustment, R3 on that one is just silly lol
Here's a quick and dirty take on the rarities that jumped out to me as being slightly off and what I'd give them. I'm likely not as well versed as some of you guys are (or think you are?), but I don't think I'm a "fresh in the hobby n00b" either.
Brutal: Paws of Fury currently 2 ... probably a 4 or 5
California Games 2 currently 2 ... probably a 3 or 4
Castlevania Dracula X: ... I'd say 6 or maybe higher
David Crane: currently a 1 ... I'd say 3 or 4
Doom Troopers: currently a 2 I'd say 3 or 4 or even 5... it's not terribly common
Earth Defense Force: I'd say either a 3 or 4
Fatal Fury Special: I'd say it's a 5
Final Fight Guy: Uncommon/rare... 8 or 9
Joe and Mac 2: Rarer then what it's at... I'd say 6 or 7
King of Monsters: First one is more uncommon then second... 4 or 5
The Mask: never seen this in person ... 6
Metal Warriors: not many out there... 8 or 9
Micro Machines: sneakily uncommon 7
Ninja Gaiden Trilogy: 7 or 8
Ogre Battle: 7
Redline Racer: sneakily uncommon 6 or 7
Rock N'Roll Racing: rarer then it's given #... it's 4-5
Run Saber: 5-6
Shadowrun: 4-5
Space Megaforce: 7 or 8
Sparkster: 5-6
Steel Talons: sneakily rare 7
Super Buster Bros.: 6 or 7, not as high as 8 it's given I'd agree
Man brock. Your montana game collecting experience is different than texas based on tgise updates. Just looked through them closer. Lemmings an r2? Ive seen that game no more than 5-10 times over tge years. Youve come across that at an r2 rate? Id place it in the r4/5 territory personally. Def is interesting seeing what people see of certain titles
No, I've never come across it. I also don't have it and haven't really actively hunted it. That was just a nudge upwards because I just know its rarer than an R1. The fact its an early title probably biased my opinion because I feel most of those are quite common.
I do plan on doing a full review in the next week or so. A number of my ratings were just nudges in the right direction, before this was supposed to be a collaborative thign
I'd almost say it's safe to go by publisher as (you have to figure) the likes of Seta, Gametek, Cybersoft, Raya Systems and Sofel didn't release nearly as many copies of their games as Konami, Capcom or Nintendo themselves likely did. Even though lots of their games hold next to zero value in terms of the more popular companies, I'd still say they're all minimum of 5's across the board with their releases with some obviously being rarer then that. Have you ever seen a TKO Boxing or Air Cavalry at a local gamestore? Or a Musya, Zool or Cacoma Knight for instance? I know I have not.
Taito has consistently been another developer that's got more uncommon (but sought after) games for the early Nintendo systems, and looking over a list of their released games for the SNES, besides the Darius and sports games... Sonic Blastman 2, Jetsons and Flintstones are all pricey and all fairly uncommon/rare.
I did get a TKO recently that has been sitting forever after I finally realized how uncommon it was. And for whatever reason the Missoula re-seller had tons of Cacoma Knights
Don't think I've seen any of the others in the wild though
For what it's worth here is a quick list I put together of possible adjustments to the guide I could find. (They don't include your recommendations which I pretty much agree with as well)
Partly because no one cares about them and they sit longer.
That's the thing.
When I first started out I came across a Hurricanes cart only in a game store in the sports bin for 4$. I knew it was something different as it was the ONLY copy of that game amidst the sea of Madden Footballs, NCAA Basketball's, George Foreman Boxing's and NBA Live's. I have never seen another copy of it again in person since that point, not even in a game stores' glass case... just online.
And it's not like I live in the boondocks, I'm near 2-3 large cities and have frequented the game stores in the area fairly often over the past years. You can't even find some of the titles I mentioned on Amazon reliably, (2-4 cart only copies at most if you're lucky).
Super Mario World is going to be a 50$ game before long as it's a staple that everyone wants for the system, while all the really rare games like some of the ones I alluded to have no appeal to the casual collector and sit in obscurity and only spike in price when enough people are looking for them at a given time OR a Youtube celeb decides to make a video.
A really interesting test I'd like to see would be if you take people who have 500+ SNES game's lists, and see which games that are not super pricey... and are on multiple lists of carts needed. I bet there'd be more then a handful of the Air Cavalry + Redline F1 Racer's on those lists, and not just because they are sports/racing titles.
I'll try to work on this soon. Only thing is I finished buying right as the price explosion was beginning (2014) after working on it for 10 years, so many I bought years ago. There are some that I bought online that I could never find in a store (and still have not ran across to this day) like Cacoma Knight, Metal Warriors, War 2410/3010, etc etc. I did hunt for about 8 years without buying online though.
Holy Ostrich- those two were in my final hundred as well, and I don't think I've ever saw either in the wild.
I've saw a few Hurricanes over the years. One "common" SNES game that eluded me for years was Tinstar, it look me years to find that one. I could not even find it at GameStop/EB when they still carried SNES games.
I know this is NA and it uses a 1-10 scale for rarity but I sorta think it's hard to gauge rarity that accurately.
Wouldn't something with simple verbiage be better? E.g. Widespread, Common, Uncommon, Rare, Very Rare, Unique.
Widespread would be for your Zelda and Mario, common for your Mario Paint, uncommon for your Earthbound, Rare for your Starfox Weekend, very rare for your Aero Fighters,and unique reserved for stuff like PowerFest, Campus Challenge, etc. stuff that only a select few individuals will ever even see let alone own.
You know...I actually agree with Joseph quite a bit here. It would be a lot easier to get consensus on a game being uncommon or rare, than trying to figure out whether something is a 5, 6, 7, etc. 10 degrees of rarity does seem a little overly complicated and difficult when it really comes down to it. Also, fewer, more broad categories would be easier to maintain going forward. "XXX is listed as a 6 but I really think it is a 7 now," etc.
The more I think about it, I really like that idea and think it would be a lot easier.
EDIT: Although, to be honest, it doesn't matter to me personally how it is done. I don't really pay much attention to the rarity numbers nor do I use them when buying or selling. If people really like the 1-10 system, that's great. But I do think Joseph's idea should be given some thought - it does seem to make sense I think.
I know this is NA and it uses a 1-10 scale for rarity but I sorta think it's hard to gauge rarity that accurately.
Wouldn't something with simple verbiage be better? E.g. Widespread, Common, Uncommon, Rare, Very Rare, Unique.
Widespread would be for your Zelda and Mario, common for your Mario Paint, uncommon for your Earthbound, Rare for your Starfox Weekend, very rare for your Aero Fighters,and unique reserved for stuff like PowerFest, Campus Challenge, etc. stuff that only a select few individuals will ever even see let alone own.
Yes and no. The numbers themselves have names next to them already:
How does one determine whether a game is a 3 - Very Common, or a 4 - Common? Are there rough guidelines somewhere about how people rate these? I've always been curious about this - I know it can be subjective and based on anecdotal / communal discussions, but is there any kind of system to this? Over the years there seems to be some kind of understanding about how this works, and I guess since I don't really use the ratings much, I've never really understand how people go about it. Again - I'm not trying to complain about the 1-10 system - if that's what people like - sure, by all means. I'm just genuinely curious about this.
Divide stuff into just three categories first, common, uncommon, and rare. There will be clear discrepancies allowing you to fit in another few ranks, maybe you can keep doing that up to point that you get 10 ranks like NA.
It's all subjective and since NA has a 1-10 scale then the ultimate goal is to get there, but for starters I think doing a smaller scale would be easier to generalize things and then work your way between the categories.
Divide stuff into just three categories first, common, uncommon, and rare. There will be clear discrepancies allowing you to fit in another few ranks, maybe you can keep doing that up to point that you get 10 ranks like NA.
It's all subjective and since NA has a 1-10 scale then the ultimate goal is to get there, but for starters I think doing a smaller scale would be easier to generalize things and then work your way between the categories.
As far as keeping every simple out of the gate, I'm on board with this idea, PROVIDED we can all agree to what the definitions of common, uncommon and rare are.
That's why I think the proposal of at least starting with less variance and margin of error by having three distinct categories instead of 10 different numbers with their own naming schemes right out of the gate seems like a viable starting point.
That's why I think the proposal of at least starting with less variance and margin of error by having three distinct categories instead of 10 different numbers with their own naming schemes right out of the gate seems like a viable starting point.
I agree with starting with broad classifications then narrowing down. It will be interesting to hear people's experience based on region.
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Man brock. Your montana game collecting experience is different than texas based on tgise updates. Just looked through them closer. Lemmings an r2? Ive seen that game no more than 5-10 times over tge years. Youve come across that at an r2 rate? Id place it in the r4/5 territory personally. Def is interesting seeing what people see of certain titles
And see I wouldn't put it as an R2 but I wouldn't give it a 5 either as I've seen it a number of times. I'd be more apt to give it a 3/4. Lemmings 2, on the other hand, I feel is deserving of it's 6 it's very uncommon for me to find that in the wild.
yeah i was leaning towards more R4 on that one. If there were sub rankings 4.5 . But yeah I agree on 2. Ive come across it 2 times I believe. First time it was 15 and I bought it for my collection. Almost full retail at the time. Other time I sold it because it was in sub par condition and I already had it. Every bit an R6
From his updates Id also kick up feivel to an R6. Ive seen it once and its in my collection
Here is the first set of updates I had come up with a month or two ago
3 Ninjas Kick Back - 7/7/8
Addams Family Values - 4/4/4
Adventures of Yogi Bear - 4/4/4
Alien vs. Predator - 5/5/5
American Tail, An: Fievel Goes West - 5/5/5
Art of Fighting - 3/3/3
Axelay - 3/3/3
Barbie Super Model - 4/4/4
Batman Returns - 3/3/3
Battle Blaze - 4/4/4
Beauty and the Beast (Disney's) - 5/5/5
Blackthorne - 4/4/4
Brandish - 5/5/5
Brawl Brothers - 4/4/4
Bust-a-Move - 4/4/4
Cannondale Cup - 7/7/7
Chester Cheetah: Wild Wild Quest - 4/4/4
Chuck Rock - 3/3/3
College Football USA '97: The Road to New Orleans - 4/4/4
Cybernator - 3/3/3
Demon's Crest - 5/5/5
Dirt Trax FX - 4/4/4
Doom - 3/3/3
Doomsday Warrior - 5/5/5
Equinox - 4/4/4
F1 Pole Position - 5/5/5
F1 ROC - 4/4/4
Fatal Fury Special - 4/4/4
FIFA Soccer '96 - 4/4/4
FIFA Soccer '97 - 6/6/6
Final Fight 2 - 3/3/3
Football Fury - 6/6/6
Ghoul Patrol - 6/6/6
Gods - 3/3/3
GunForce - 4/4/4
Head-On Soccer - 7/7/7
Hook - 3/3/3
Hyper V-Ball - 5/5/5
Indiana Jones' Greatest Adventures - 3/3/3
Jetsons: Invasion of the Planet Pirates - 6/6/6
Jim Power: The Lost Dimension in 3D - 3/3/3
Jimmy Houston's Bass Tournament USA - 5/5/5
Jurassic Park 2: The Chaos Continues - 4/4/4
Justice League Task Force - 4/4/4
Kawasaki Superbike Challenge - 7/7/7
Kendo Rage - 5/5/5
King of Monsters - 2/2/2
King of Monsters 2 - 3/3/3
Lagoon - 3/3/3
Legend - 6/6/6
Lemmings - 2/2/2
Lufia & The Fortress of Doom - 3/3/3
Madden NFL '97 - 2/2/2
Madden NFL '98 - 3/3/3
Magic Boy - 5/5/5
Mark Davis' The Fishing Master - 5/5/5
Marvel Super Heroes: War of the Gems - 5/5/5
Mary Shelley's Frankenstein - 4/4/4
Mega Man Soccer - 5/5/5
Metal Morph - 7/7/7
Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers: Fighting Edition - 4/4/4
Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers: The Movie - 4/4/4
Musya: Classic Japanese Tale of Horror - 6/6/6
Natsume Championship Wrestling - 3/3/3
NBA Live '97 - 3/3/3
Nosferatu - 5/5/5
Outlander - 3/3/3
Prince of Persia - 3/3/3
SimCity 2000 - 5/5/5
Simpsons, The: Virtual Bart - 4/4/4
Skyblazer - 4/4/4
Sparkster - 5/5/5
Spider-Man - 3/3/3
Spider-Man: Separation Anxiety - 4/4/4
Street Fighter Alpha 2 - 4/4/4
Sunset Riders - 3/3/3
Super Buster Bros. - 5/5/5
Super Soccer Champ - 4/4/4
Super Turrican - 4/4/4
Super Valis IV - 4/4/4
Tecmo Super Bowl II: Special Edition - 5/5/5
Temco Super Bowl III: Final Edition - 3/3/3
Tiny Toons Adventures: Wacky Sports Challenge - 4/4/4
Ultima VI: The False Prophet - 3/3/3
Ultima: Runes of Virtue II - 3/3/3
Untouchables, The - 5/5/5
WCW Super Brawl Wrestling - 4/4/4
Wolfchild - 3/3/3
Wolverine: Adamantium Rage - 3/3/3
Additions:
MACS (three different releases?) - 10/na/na
MBR/SR - 9/9/9
Donkey Kong Competition - 9/?/9
Star Fox Weekend - 9/?/?
Jetsons i agree . Super Bonk should be a 6 also through .
Just to pick out a few, Sunset Riders, King of Dragons and Knights of the Round are all rated 1-3, yet those all sell for $70+ on eBay and I rarely see them when I'm out and about. And according to the official chart, a 3 is still considered a common game. Granted, all 3 of those games are extremely fun games, but if they're really common games, I can't imagine they'd be $70+ just because they're fun to play.
How are these rarity values being determined? Is there a database somewhere to see how many copies of every game were produced/sold? I see quite a few games on the list that are rated at a 1-3 and they sell on eBay for $50-$80 dollars. And they also aren't games I see out in the wild or at my local retro stores very often.
Just to pick out a few, Sunset Riders, King of Dragons and Knights of the Round are all rated 1-3, yet those all sell for $70+ on eBay and I rarely see them when I'm out and about. And according to the official chart, a 3 is still considered a common game. Granted, all 3 of those games are extremely fun games, but if they're really common games, I can't imagine they'd be $70+ just because they're fun to play.
the list you are looking at is the very database we are trying to make actually more accurate, and the point of the thread
How are these rarity values being determined? Is there a database somewhere to see how many copies of every game were produced/sold? I see quite a few games on the list that are rated at a 1-3 and they sell on eBay for $50-$80 dollars. And they also aren't games I see out in the wild or at my local retro stores very often.
Just to pick out a few, Sunset Riders, King of Dragons and Knights of the Round are all rated 1-3, yet those all sell for $70+ on eBay and I rarely see them when I'm out and about. And according to the official chart, a 3 is still considered a common game. Granted, all 3 of those games are extremely fun games, but if they're really common games, I can't imagine they'd be $70+ just because they're fun to play.
Exactly. Most of my suggestions are to start putting some of the more egragious examples closer to reality. Sunset Riders may very well be a 4 or 5
How are these rarity values being determined? Is there a database somewhere to see how many copies of every game were produced/sold? I see quite a few games on the list that are rated at a 1-3 and they sell on eBay for $50-$80 dollars. And they also aren't games I see out in the wild or at my local retro stores very often.
Just to pick out a few, Sunset Riders, King of Dragons and Knights of the Round are all rated 1-3, yet those all sell for $70+ on eBay and I rarely see them when I'm out and about. And according to the official chart, a 3 is still considered a common game. Granted, all 3 of those games are extremely fun games, but if they're really common games, I can't imagine they'd be $70+ just because they're fun to play.
the list you are looking at is the very database we are trying to make actually more accurate, and the point of the thread
No, I understand that. I was just curious how the values were being calculated, in the first place, when the rarity listings were first created.
How are these rarity values being determined? Is there a database somewhere to see how many copies of every game were produced/sold? I see quite a few games on the list that are rated at a 1-3 and they sell on eBay for $50-$80 dollars. And they also aren't games I see out in the wild or at my local retro stores very often.
Just to pick out a few, Sunset Riders, King of Dragons and Knights of the Round are all rated 1-3, yet those all sell for $70+ on eBay and I rarely see them when I'm out and about. And according to the official chart, a 3 is still considered a common game. Granted, all 3 of those games are extremely fun games, but if they're really common games, I can't imagine they'd be $70+ just because they're fun to play.
the list you are looking at is the very database we are trying to make actually more accurate, and the point of the thread
No, I understand that. I was just curious how the values were being calculated, in the first place, when the rarity listings were first created.
Taito has consistently been another developer that's got more uncommon (but sought after) games for the early Nintendo systems, and looking over a list of their released games for the SNES, besides the Darius and sports games... Sonic Blastman 2, Jetsons and Flintstones are all pricey and all fairly uncommon/rare.
Spanky's quest is another one that definitely needs an adjustment, R3 on that one is just silly lol
Chubby Cherub
Break Time
Indy Jones Taito
Isolated Warrior
Touchdown Fever
Untouchables
Rally Bike
George Forman
Power Punch 2
Digger T Rock
Alien 3
F15 Strike
Dragons Lair
Brutal: Paws of Fury currently 2 ... probably a 4 or 5
California Games 2 currently 2 ... probably a 3 or 4
Castlevania Dracula X: ... I'd say 6 or maybe higher
David Crane: currently a 1 ... I'd say 3 or 4
Doom Troopers: currently a 2 I'd say 3 or 4 or even 5... it's not terribly common
Earth Defense Force: I'd say either a 3 or 4
Fatal Fury Special: I'd say it's a 5
Final Fight Guy: Uncommon/rare... 8 or 9
Joe and Mac 2: Rarer then what it's at... I'd say 6 or 7
King of Monsters: First one is more uncommon then second... 4 or 5
The Mask: never seen this in person ... 6
Metal Warriors: not many out there... 8 or 9
Micro Machines: sneakily uncommon 7
Ninja Gaiden Trilogy: 7 or 8
Ogre Battle: 7
Redline Racer: sneakily uncommon 6 or 7
Rock N'Roll Racing: rarer then it's given #... it's 4-5
Run Saber: 5-6
Shadowrun: 4-5
Space Megaforce: 7 or 8
Sparkster: 5-6
Steel Talons: sneakily rare 7
Super Buster Bros.: 6 or 7, not as high as 8 it's given I'd agree
TKO Boxing: 5-6
Ultimate Fighter: 6-7
Not all the time but a few times here and there. Partly because no one cares about them and they sit longer.
The NES one needs a lot of work too.. These games should NOT be '4's:
Chubby Cherub
Break Time
Indy Jones Taito
Isolated Warrior
Touchdown Fever
Untouchables
Rally Bike
George Forman
Power Punch 2
Digger T Rock
Alien 3
F15 Strike
Dragons Lair
The biggest atrocities on the nes list are the 4s and 5s
the nes list prime example of mess up is mtv remote control. That shit is not a 5 closer to a 1 than a 5 lol. Id say a 2
Man brock. Your montana game collecting experience is different than texas based on tgise updates. Just looked through them closer. Lemmings an r2? Ive seen that game no more than 5-10 times over tge years. Youve come across that at an r2 rate? Id place it in the r4/5 territory personally. Def is interesting seeing what people see of certain titles
No, I've never come across it. I also don't have it and haven't really actively hunted it. That was just a nudge upwards because I just know its rarer than an R1. The fact its an early title probably biased my opinion because I feel most of those are quite common.
I do plan on doing a full review in the next week or so. A number of my ratings were just nudges in the right direction, before this was supposed to be a collaborative thign
I'd almost say it's safe to go by publisher as (you have to figure) the likes of Seta, Gametek, Cybersoft, Raya Systems and Sofel didn't release nearly as many copies of their games as Konami, Capcom or Nintendo themselves likely did. Even though lots of their games hold next to zero value in terms of the more popular companies, I'd still say they're all minimum of 5's across the board with their releases with some obviously being rarer then that. Have you ever seen a TKO Boxing or Air Cavalry at a local gamestore? Or a Musya, Zool or Cacoma Knight for instance? I know I have not.
Taito has consistently been another developer that's got more uncommon (but sought after) games for the early Nintendo systems, and looking over a list of their released games for the SNES, besides the Darius and sports games... Sonic Blastman 2, Jetsons and Flintstones are all pricey and all fairly uncommon/rare.
I did get a TKO recently that has been sitting forever after I finally realized how uncommon it was. And for whatever reason the Missoula re-seller had tons of Cacoma Knights
Don't think I've seen any of the others in the wild though
Games that could be raised:
Cacoma Knight 3 >5
Captain Commando 6>7
Combatribes 5>6
Earth Defense Force 2>3
Imperium 6>7
Joe & Mac 2 5>6
Operation Logic Bomb 5>6
Pinocchio 1>3
Rampart 1>3
Ren & Stimpy Buckeroo$ 6>8
Tin Star 1>2
Turtles Tournament Fighters 1>2
Games that could be lowered:
Kirby Super Star 5>3
Math Blaster 7>5
Ren & Stimpy Fire Dogs 7>6
TMNT IV 2>1
Wizard of Oz 7>5
Partly because no one cares about them and they sit longer.
That's the thing.
When I first started out I came across a Hurricanes cart only in a game store in the sports bin for 4$. I knew it was something different as it was the ONLY copy of that game amidst the sea of Madden Footballs, NCAA Basketball's, George Foreman Boxing's and NBA Live's. I have never seen another copy of it again in person since that point, not even in a game stores' glass case... just online.
And it's not like I live in the boondocks, I'm near 2-3 large cities and have frequented the game stores in the area fairly often over the past years. You can't even find some of the titles I mentioned on Amazon reliably, (2-4 cart only copies at most if you're lucky).
Super Mario World is going to be a 50$ game before long as it's a staple that everyone wants for the system, while all the really rare games like some of the ones I alluded to have no appeal to the casual collector and sit in obscurity and only spike in price when enough people are looking for them at a given time OR a Youtube celeb decides to make a video.
A really interesting test I'd like to see would be if you take people who have 500+ SNES game's lists, and see which games that are not super pricey... and are on multiple lists of carts needed. I bet there'd be more then a handful of the Air Cavalry + Redline F1 Racer's on those lists, and not just because they are sports/racing titles.
Holy Ostrich- those two were in my final hundred as well, and I don't think I've ever saw either in the wild.
I've saw a few Hurricanes over the years. One "common" SNES game that eluded me for years was Tinstar, it look me years to find that one. I could not even find it at GameStop/EB when they still carried SNES games.
Wouldn't something with simple verbiage be better? E.g. Widespread, Common, Uncommon, Rare, Very Rare, Unique.
Widespread would be for your Zelda and Mario, common for your Mario Paint, uncommon for your Earthbound, Rare for your Starfox Weekend, very rare for your Aero Fighters,and unique reserved for stuff like PowerFest, Campus Challenge, etc. stuff that only a select few individuals will ever even see let alone own.
The more I think about it, I really like that idea and think it would be a lot easier.
EDIT: Although, to be honest, it doesn't matter to me personally how it is done. I don't really pay much attention to the rarity numbers nor do I use them when buying or selling. If people really like the 1-10 system, that's great. But I do think Joseph's idea should be given some thought - it does seem to make sense I think.
I know this is NA and it uses a 1-10 scale for rarity but I sorta think it's hard to gauge rarity that accurately.
Wouldn't something with simple verbiage be better? E.g. Widespread, Common, Uncommon, Rare, Very Rare, Unique.
Widespread would be for your Zelda and Mario, common for your Mario Paint, uncommon for your Earthbound, Rare for your Starfox Weekend, very rare for your Aero Fighters,and unique reserved for stuff like PowerFest, Campus Challenge, etc. stuff that only a select few individuals will ever even see let alone own.
Yes and no. The numbers themselves have names next to them already:
10 - Exceptionally Rare
9 - Unusually Rare
8 - Very Rare
7 - Rare
6 - Uncommon
5 - Average
4 - Common
3 - Very Common
2 - Widespread
1 - Very Widespread
But I can see how stuff falls between numbers.
Divide stuff into just three categories first, common, uncommon, and rare. There will be clear discrepancies allowing you to fit in another few ranks, maybe you can keep doing that up to point that you get 10 ranks like NA.
It's all subjective and since NA has a 1-10 scale then the ultimate goal is to get there, but for starters I think doing a smaller scale would be easier to generalize things and then work your way between the categories.
It's a moot point since NA is 1-10.
But I can see how stuff falls between numbers.
Divide stuff into just three categories first, common, uncommon, and rare. There will be clear discrepancies allowing you to fit in another few ranks, maybe you can keep doing that up to point that you get 10 ranks like NA.
It's all subjective and since NA has a 1-10 scale then the ultimate goal is to get there, but for starters I think doing a smaller scale would be easier to generalize things and then work your way between the categories.
As far as keeping every simple out of the gate, I'm on board with this idea, PROVIDED we can all agree to what the definitions of common, uncommon and rare are.
WE WILL NEVER AGREE!! ;(
ha! you're not wrong
That's why I think the proposal of at least starting with less variance and margin of error by having three distinct categories instead of 10 different numbers with their own naming schemes right out of the gate seems like a viable starting point.
Originally posted by: Stryphos
Originally posted by: Silent Hill
WE WILL NEVER AGREE!! ;(
ha! you're not wrong
That's why I think the proposal of at least starting with less variance and margin of error by having three distinct categories instead of 10 different numbers with their own naming schemes right out of the gate seems like a viable starting point.
I agree with starting with broad classifications then narrowing down. It will be interesting to hear people's experience based on region.