NA SNES Rarity Discussion

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  • Ok, I went through and made adjustments based on my experience in collecting for the SNES. I worked on this between 2004-2014 if people want the time frame. The rarity is based on what I found and nothing to do with price (I do not know the current price of most of these anyway). Anything I moved up is noted with "^" and anything moved lower is noted with "v". Hopefully this can offer some insight.



    https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2j8DwmW8SXEUlU5VnN0T2Rta0U
  • Another sample...



    Pieces (SNES)



    Posted Rarity: 8

    Current Price: 4 (Less than $25)



    Zelda: Link to the Past is being sold for more than that game, so its overall value might be reduced to something like a 5.
  • You can use what ever method you want, but that just doesn't work out, especially for this guide. Pieces is one of the rarest games on the system but has no demand because it is an obscure puzzle games most people haven't heard of, let alone interested in. Everyone wants Link to the Past. Rarity doesn't always equal price just like price doesn't always equal rarity.
  • Originally posted by: Brock Landers



    Just for comparison's sake, NES only has 14 R1s:

     
    Game NES
     

    Bases Loaded Licensed NES-LD-USA Jaleco 1988 1 2 2 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Blades of Steel Licensed NES-VS-USA Konami 1988 1 2 2 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Double Dribble Licensed NES-DW-USA Konami 1987 1 2 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Dr. Mario Licensed NES-VU-USA Nintendo 1990 1 1 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Dragon Warrior Licensed NES-DQ-USA Nintendo 1989 1 1 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Duck Hunt Licensed NES-DH-USA Nintendo 1985 1 3 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Gyromite Licensed NES-GY-USA Nintendo 1985 1 3 3 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Legend of Zelda, The Licensed NES-ZL-USA Nintendo 1987 1 2 2 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Play Action Football, NES Licensed NES-NB-USA Nintendo 1990 1 2 2 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Super Mario Bros. Licensed NES-SM-USA Nintendo 1985 1 2 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Super Mario Bros. - Duck Hunt Licensed NES-MH-USA Nintendo 1988 1 1 M  
    Game NES
     

    Super Mario Bros. 2 Licensed NES-MW-USA Nintendo 1988 1 2 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Super Mario Bros. 3 Licensed NES-UM-USA Nintendo 1990 1 1 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Tetris Licensed NES-EI-USA Nintendo 1989 1 1 1 F B M  



    SNES currently has 222 R1s...

    TMNT 1 should definately be an R1 for NES, can't believe that isn't on there.



     
  • Originally posted by: quest4nes





    I dont know about you, but i see far fewer tmnt IVs than all the other shit thats a 1. In my mind its more a 3, but understanding how well it sold and that I do see it often enough, I gave it a 2. Donkey Kong Country is an example of a snes popular game that is a 1. Turtles in Time isnt near as common as donkey kong country. I cant lump those together. It just doesnt make sense. I dont think Ive purchased a reasonable size snes lot and not had dkc in it lol. mario world is also the popular game example of an R1.  Id put link to the past in as an R1 as well.  But other common popular stuff like TMNT IV, Contra III, Castlevania IV, Super Metroid. That stuff is R2 and R3 imo. Turtles and contra I lean towards a 2 while metroid and castlevania I lean more to 3



    R1 is for dirt commons you basically trip over in the wild. While some are more popular and they might not be stacked up at a gamestore you know what im talking about



    R1 is the lowest it goes. TMNT IV is not the lowest rarity level of the system. period



    I see tons of games on the 1 list that should probably be 4s or 5s or 6s, but if you have popular games with reprints as high as a 3 how do you make that work? Do you have to move up all of the rest of the games too?

    How do you compare a game that might sell less than 12 times a year total on ebay that is a "1" to a popular common game like TMNT that might sell 1200+ copies and with 100+ on ebay and 60+ on amazon at any moment?





     
  • Sometimes I like to think of "rare" as both hard to find, and hard to get, instead of hard to find "or" hard to get.
  • Originally posted by: nintendopower_4_ever

     
    Originally posted by: quest4nes





    I dont know about you, but i see far fewer tmnt IVs than all the other shit thats a 1. In my mind its more a 3, but understanding how well it sold and that I do see it often enough, I gave it a 2. Donkey Kong Country is an example of a snes popular game that is a 1. Turtles in Time isnt near as common as donkey kong country. I cant lump those together. It just doesnt make sense. I dont think Ive purchased a reasonable size snes lot and not had dkc in it lol. mario world is also the popular game example of an R1.  Id put link to the past in as an R1 as well.  But other common popular stuff like TMNT IV, Contra III, Castlevania IV, Super Metroid. That stuff is R2 and R3 imo. Turtles and contra I lean towards a 2 while metroid and castlevania I lean more to 3



    R1 is for dirt commons you basically trip over in the wild. While some are more popular and they might not be stacked up at a gamestore you know what im talking about



    R1 is the lowest it goes. TMNT IV is not the lowest rarity level of the system. period



    I see tons of games on the 1 list that should probably be 4s or 5s or 6s, but if you have popular games with reprints as high as a 3 how do you make that work? Do you have to move up all of the rest of the games too?

    How do you compare a game that might sell less than 12 times a year total on ebay that is a "1" to a popular common game like TMNT that might sell 1200+ copies and with 100+ on ebay and 60+ on amazon at any moment?





     

    Do you have an actual example of that?  I really don't think that situation actually applies to any SNES game.  Maybe some of the Atari crap like Pacman or ET, but that sort of crap just didn't happen on Nintendo consoles.



     
  • Originally posted by: pegboy

     
    Originally posted by: nintendopower_4_ever

     
    Originally posted by: quest4nes





    I dont know about you, but i see far fewer tmnt IVs than all the other shit thats a 1. In my mind its more a 3, but understanding how well it sold and that I do see it often enough, I gave it a 2. Donkey Kong Country is an example of a snes popular game that is a 1. Turtles in Time isnt near as common as donkey kong country. I cant lump those together. It just doesnt make sense. I dont think Ive purchased a reasonable size snes lot and not had dkc in it lol. mario world is also the popular game example of an R1.  Id put link to the past in as an R1 as well.  But other common popular stuff like TMNT IV, Contra III, Castlevania IV, Super Metroid. That stuff is R2 and R3 imo. Turtles and contra I lean towards a 2 while metroid and castlevania I lean more to 3



    R1 is for dirt commons you basically trip over in the wild. While some are more popular and they might not be stacked up at a gamestore you know what im talking about



    R1 is the lowest it goes. TMNT IV is not the lowest rarity level of the system. period



    I see tons of games on the 1 list that should probably be 4s or 5s or 6s, but if you have popular games with reprints as high as a 3 how do you make that work? Do you have to move up all of the rest of the games too?

    How do you compare a game that might sell less than 12 times a year total on ebay that is a "1" to a popular common game like TMNT that might sell 1200+ copies and with 100+ on ebay and 60+ on amazon at any moment?





     

    Do you have an actual example of that?  I really don't think that situation actually applies to any SNES game.  Maybe some of the Atari crap like Pacman or ET, but that sort of crap just didn't happen on Nintendo consoles.



     





    I thought you collected SNES? There's a bunch of them. lol
  • Originally posted by: nintendopower_4_ever

     
    Originally posted by: pegboy

     
    Originally posted by: nintendopower_4_ever

     
    Originally posted by: quest4nes





    I dont know about you, but i see far fewer tmnt IVs than all the other shit thats a 1. In my mind its more a 3, but understanding how well it sold and that I do see it often enough, I gave it a 2. Donkey Kong Country is an example of a snes popular game that is a 1. Turtles in Time isnt near as common as donkey kong country. I cant lump those together. It just doesnt make sense. I dont think Ive purchased a reasonable size snes lot and not had dkc in it lol. mario world is also the popular game example of an R1.  Id put link to the past in as an R1 as well.  But other common popular stuff like TMNT IV, Contra III, Castlevania IV, Super Metroid. That stuff is R2 and R3 imo. Turtles and contra I lean towards a 2 while metroid and castlevania I lean more to 3



    R1 is for dirt commons you basically trip over in the wild. While some are more popular and they might not be stacked up at a gamestore you know what im talking about



    R1 is the lowest it goes. TMNT IV is not the lowest rarity level of the system. period



    I see tons of games on the 1 list that should probably be 4s or 5s or 6s, but if you have popular games with reprints as high as a 3 how do you make that work? Do you have to move up all of the rest of the games too?

    How do you compare a game that might sell less than 12 times a year total on ebay that is a "1" to a popular common game like TMNT that might sell 1200+ copies and with 100+ on ebay and 60+ on amazon at any moment?





     

    Do you have an actual example of that?  I really don't think that situation actually applies to any SNES game.  Maybe some of the Atari crap like Pacman or ET, but that sort of crap just didn't happen on Nintendo consoles.



     





    I thought you collected SNES? There's a bunch of them. lol

    Please enlighten me.  I don't have most of the common crap yet.  I really doubt there is anything that common that only sells a dozen times a year.



    I know with NES even common crap "nobody wants" like Silent Service and Captain Skyhawk sell all the time, all day long on ebay.



     
  • Originally posted by: pegboy

     
    Originally posted by: Brock Landers



    Just for comparison's sake, NES only has 14 R1s:

     
    Game NES
     

    Bases Loaded Licensed NES-LD-USA Jaleco 1988 1 2 2 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Blades of Steel Licensed NES-VS-USA Konami 1988 1 2 2 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Double Dribble Licensed NES-DW-USA Konami 1987 1 2 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Dr. Mario Licensed NES-VU-USA Nintendo 1990 1 1 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Dragon Warrior Licensed NES-DQ-USA Nintendo 1989 1 1 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Duck Hunt Licensed NES-DH-USA Nintendo 1985 1 3 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Gyromite Licensed NES-GY-USA Nintendo 1985 1 3 3 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Legend of Zelda, The Licensed NES-ZL-USA Nintendo 1987 1 2 2 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Play Action Football, NES Licensed NES-NB-USA Nintendo 1990 1 2 2 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Super Mario Bros. Licensed NES-SM-USA Nintendo 1985 1 2 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Super Mario Bros. - Duck Hunt Licensed NES-MH-USA Nintendo 1988 1 1 M  
    Game NES
     

    Super Mario Bros. 2 Licensed NES-MW-USA Nintendo 1988 1 2 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Super Mario Bros. 3 Licensed NES-UM-USA Nintendo 1990 1 1 1 F B M  
    Game NES
     

    Tetris Licensed NES-EI-USA Nintendo 1989 1 1 1 F B M  



    SNES currently has 222 R1s...

    TMNT 1 should definately be an R1 for NES, can't believe that isn't on there.



     



    Same with Silent Service!

     
  • Originally posted by: quest4nes



    I disagree about lowering some games to 1 like TMNT IV. Its not rare, but people cmon. 1s are the games you see in every lot. Top Gear, Vegas Stakes, Caesers Palace, Mario World, NHLPA 93, zoop, george foreman boxing, madden 92-96, fifa international soccer, wheel of fortune deluxe edition, etc. 2s and 3s are common games too . save the 1s for the annoying games that you cant give away that are in every lot. Alot of popular stuff is on the common side, but its not in every single lot and sitting on the shelf in multiple copies at every single store. Thats what a 1 is. Popular games that are more likely 1s are DKC and mario world. TMNT IV's and Super Metroids are more 2s and 3s level commons. While you see them. They arent in every snes lot or game store.





    cacoma knight is also rarer than a 5. I think some of you are too nervous to have a bold suggestion and looking at barely ticking these up. The snes database is a mess and almost needs to be thrown out all together. Dont use the number listed as a starting spot. Scrap it and come up with a number on your own.



    I hear ya, obviously there's going to be a lot of disagreement in this thread, that's okay by me. I guess I looked at TMNT IV being an R2 and Turtles Tournament Fighters as an R1 and saw how obviously wrong that was. Both are pretty common games, but I think there were at least a few times more copies of TMNT IV printed. I didn't think Tournament Fighter rated an R3, but putting them both at the same level seemed wrong. As mentioned TMNT IV had multiple print runs in it's day and despite arguably being the epitome of Beat 'em ups on the system is still pretty easy to obtain (for a price). Im pretty sure you don't see it in "lots" like the Vegas Stake's, Mario World, Zoop etc. solely because of it's price tag.



    As for Cacoma Knight, I was hesitant to give it higher than a 5 because I was looking at cart only. I think box/manual would definitely be higher, but I didn't want to touch that can of worms. If someone insisted on giving it a 6 I certainly wouldn't argue against it.

     
  • Just so happens I have a spare Cacoma Knight manual in my FS thread... **grins** ... but yes, I'd agree it's rarer then a 5, probably closer to a 6-7 or maybe even an 8.



    Anything Seta, Titus, Gametek or Sofel or any of those ramshackle 3rd party developers released back then START at a 5 IMO like I said earlier in the thread. I don't think I've ever seen any of their games besides Air Strike Patrol in a gaming store in person. Boxes and manuals for some of these (and **gulp** posters)... yeah that's a can of worms and best left alone for right now.  
  • As for the rarity 1 versus rarity 2-3 debate... something like Mario Paint or Vegas Stakes or Madden Football are what I'd call rarity 1's. These are the things in gamestores and in lots that there can be 10 copies of sitting around and not under the glass case. Stuff like Metroid, Turtles 4, Mario World... I'd say are closer to 2-3, mainly because there aren't as many bouncing around compared to the games you'd have ranked at 1 (people holding onto them as they're legit classics perhaps?)... but for whatever the reason you're more then likely to come across 5 Mario Paint carts for every 1 Turtles 4 you find out there. At least in my experience. Mario World is a 2-3, while the Mario World box HAS to be like a rarity 7-8, while the manual is a 1 as it came with a ton of systems and is plentiful.



    Mega Man Soccer is another one that I was thinking about being higher... there's a decent amount of cart only copies online, but in person I've never seen it, even at conventions...
  • Originally posted by: Holy_Ostrich



    As for the rarity 1 versus rarity 2-3 debate... something like Mario Paint or Vegas Stakes or Madden Football are what I'd call rarity 1's. These are the things in gamestores and in lots that there can be 10 copies of sitting around and not under the glass case. Stuff like Metroid, Turtles 4, Mario World... I'd say are closer to 2-3, mainly because there aren't as many bouncing around compared to the games you'd have ranked at 1 (people holding onto them as they're legit classics perhaps?)... but for whatever the reason you're more then likely to come across 5 Mario Paint carts for every 1 Turtles 4 you find out there. At least in my experience. Mario World is a 2-3, while the Mario World box HAS to be like a rarity 7-8, while the manual is a 1 as it came with a ton of systems and is plentiful.



    Mega Man Soccer is another one that I was thinking about being higher... there's a decent amount of cart only copies online, but in person I've never seen it, even at conventions...





    I will finish up my rarity list opinion for carts this weekend. Id love to see your thoughts on it, since you are a big snes guy.



    Id probably say 50 mario paints for every 1 TMNT IV you see haha. Mega Man X is in the same boat at Turtles in time to me. Got the mexico reprints and I see it often with lots but its not a 1
  • Im only in the NES stuff but I think those are the biggest "WTFs" I found.



    These are ones ill propose (I made a list)



    Higher:

    Die Hard: 6

    Zombie Nation: 7

    All Koei: 7

    Kid Klown: 7

    Ultimate Air Combat: 7 (I have NEVER EVER seen this game in person for sold or otherwise).

    Swamp Thing: 6

    Ms PacMan: 6

    World Champ: 6

    Terra Cresta: 6

    James Bond Jr: 6

    Sqoon: 6

    Alfred Chicken: 6

    SCAT: 6

    Toxic Crusaders: 6

    Blues Bros: 6

    Chubby Cherub: 6

    Break Time: 6?

    Isolated Warrior: 5/6

    Touchdown Fever: 6

    Untouchables: 6

    Nightshade: 5

    Romance 3 King: 4

    Ninja Kid: 4

    Ultimate Basketball: 4



    LOWERED:

    DuckTales 2: 5 (EASILY the most common expensive NES game)

    GI Joe Taxan: 5

    GI Joe Atlantis: 5

    Mario is Missing: 5

    Battletoads Double Dragon: 5

    Silver Surfer: 5



    There are others that should be lowered but arent as common. I think the BIG problem is the 8, 9 and 10s. Perhaps all the bigger guns be moved up to 8 or 9, and 10 should be reserved for SE, NWC, etc.
  • One last sample from me.... assuming nobody hasn't flagged this game already



    Head-on Soccer (SNES)



    Posted Rarity: 8

    Price: 1 (Under $10)



    If you consider how rare the game might be, and how little people will sell it for, the combined score could be low as a 4.
  • Let me know if you need help.
  • We'll probably need your help  



    But even if we don't your help will be appreciated.  
  • Does anyone think it might be useful to start with an R1 list of the most common 15-20 games on the system like that NES list above and then go from there?
  • Originally posted by: nintendopower_4_ever



    Does anyone think it might be useful to start with an R1 list of the most common 15-20 games on the system like that NES list above and then go from there?



    I think the easiest way would be for you to provide your numbers for every game and go from there as I think you have a better idea than pretty much anyone.

     
  • Maybe.....as a short fix, we can create a program that counts how many carts of a particular game are available on eBay, either as a single, or as part of a lot.
  • Originally posted by: doner24

     
    Originally posted by: nintendopower_4_ever



    Does anyone think it might be useful to start with an R1 list of the most common 15-20 games on the system like that NES list above and then go from there?



    I think the easiest way would be for you to provide your numbers for every game and go from there as I think you have a better idea than pretty much anyone.

     



    Thanks for saying that buddy, but some people don't think so. lol  

    I've been thinking about how to do every game at once, but it seems like overall rarity is going to be relative to what games are the most common?



    Quest has a point that some popular games might be R2s compared to stuff like Mario Paint, Donkey Kong Country, Mario World and I like how that list of R1s looks for NES.



     
  • A separate thing to note is that rarity levels for box and manuals are often ignored and given the same rarity score as carts (N64 is an annoying example)

  • Originally posted by: ULTRACASTLE00



    One last sample from me.... assuming nobody hasn't flagged this game already



    Head-on Soccer (SNES)



    Posted Rarity: 8

    Price: 1 (Under $10)



    If you consider how rare the game might be, and how little people will sell it for, the combined score could be low as a 4.

    No, rarity and price are mutually exclusive. 



    James Bond Jr is WAY rarer that DuckTales 2 and DT2 is almost 10x the price.  Here we're only talking about how rare the cart is in existance, regardless of what someone wants for it,




  • Originally posted by: nintendopower_4_ever

     
    Originally posted by: doner24

     
    Originally posted by: nintendopower_4_ever



    Does anyone think it might be useful to start with an R1 list of the most common 15-20 games on the system like that NES list above and then go from there?



    I think the easiest way would be for you to provide your numbers for every game and go from there as I think you have a better idea than pretty much anyone.

     



    Thanks for saying that buddy, but some people don't think so. lol  

    I've been thinking about how to do every game at once, but it seems like overall rarity is going to be relative to what games are the most common?



    Quest has a point that some popular games might be R2s compared to stuff like Mario Paint, Donkey Kong Country, Mario World and I like how that list of R1s looks for NES.



     

    So here would be my candidates for R1



    Super Mario World

    Super Mario All-Stars

    Super Mario Kart

    Mario Paint

    Donkey Kong Country

    Donkey Kong Country 2

    Donkey Kong Country 3

    Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past

    Street Fighter II

    Mortal Kombat

    Mortal Kombat II

    Star Fox

    F-Zero

    Sim City

    NBA Jam

    Jurassic Park

    Madden 94

    Super Scope 6

    The Lion King

    Aladdin





    Possible candidates:

    Killer Instinct

    Yoshi's Island

    NBA Jam TE

    Super Metroid
  • Here's mine with possible candidates. How do you make lists without spaces? lol  



    Donkey Kong Country



    F-Zero



    Link to the Past



    Madden 94



    Mario Paint



    Monopoly



    Street Fighter II



    Super Caesar's Palace



    Super Mario All-Stars



    Super Mario Kart



    Super Mario World



    Super Play Action Football



    Vegas Stakes



    --------------------------



    Bulls vs Blazers



    Donkey Kong Country 2



    Donkey Kong Country 3



    John Madden Football



    Jurassic Park



    Killer Instinct



    Lion King



    Madden 93



    Madden 95



    Mortal Kombat



    NBA Jam



    NCAA Basketball



    Populous



    SimCity



    Star Fox



    Super Black Bass



    Super Scope 6



    Tetris 2
  • Nevermind, I got it



    Updating spreadsheet now.  Going to add those as all R1s for you
  • disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.



    DKC 2

    DKC 3

    Super Mario Allstars

    Super Mario Kart

    Killer Instinct



    I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.



    As far as your possible candidates go Brock,  I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1



    Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
  • The box for super Mario world is actually kinda hard to find too.



    Maybe a 4
  • Fair enough, those are good points



    Ok quest, I'll add yours too. And I'm definitely open to people lobbying their case to win votes, as it were.



    I think almost anything will be less common than Super Mario World, kind of like how Super Mario Bros./Duck Hunt is probably quite a bit more common than some of those NES titles. But it can still fall in that same tier
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