disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
I was commenting on both your lists. I agree with most of your R1 list except for the few I pointed out
I think you are too wrapped up in print runs. Its how often you see it in respect to the snes library. Mario Kart and allstars are not the same level as Super Caesars Palace, mario paint, Madden 93 and Jurassic Parks of the world.
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
I think you are too wrapped up in print runs. Its how often you see it in respect to the snes library. Mario Kart and allstars are not the same level as Super Caesars Palace and Madden 93
I think you are too wrapped up in how often you see something in picked over game stores though. lol
Why do you think they kept printing a game through the entire life of a system like they did with Mario Kart? Because sales were poor?
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
I think you are too wrapped up in print runs. Its how often you see it in respect to the snes library. Mario Kart and allstars are not the same level as Super Caesars Palace and Madden 93
I think you are too wrapped up in how often you see something in picked over game stores though. lol
Why do you think they kept printing a game through the entire life of a system like they did with Mario Kart? Because sales were poor?
Im not strictly going by game stores. Im going by I take games in and sell them. I buy lots all the time. Its how often I get them that weighs heaviest to me. Im supposedly in the mecca of games region of the US. It doesnt matter how many mario karts are in peoples collections. It matters about finding them now in comparison to the library. Super Mario Karts in collectors collections isnt an available copy. Im not selling my childhood copy of Mario Allstars, along with most people here. It doesnt matter how well it sold back then strictly for rarity. Its not the only scale and factor you should be using. Im using it as a partial factor when erring on the side of a rarity level. Like I feel TMNT IV is an R3. But I know how many print runs it had and how well it sold so you say R1. Thats why Ill err on the side of it being an R2.
Print runs seems to be the only factor you are harping on. Its just not that way. A good majority of those are already owned and in a pretty much permanent home. There arent all those print runs in the wild waiting to be bought. Just a fraction. R1 is for dirt common, anywhere you see SNES games there is probably 1 there, kind of game.
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
I think you are too wrapped up in print runs. Its how often you see it in respect to the snes library. Mario Kart and allstars are not the same level as Super Caesars Palace and Madden 93
I think you are too wrapped up in how often you see something in picked over game stores though. lol
Why do you think they kept printing a game through the entire life of a system like they did with Mario Kart? Because sales were poor?
Im not strictly going by game stores. Im going by I take games in and sell them. I buy lots all the time. Its how often I get them that weighs heaviest to me. Im supposedly in the mecca of games region of the US. It doesnt matter how many mario karts are in peoples collections. It matters about finding them now in comparison to the library. Super Mario Karts in collectors collections isnt an available copy
Rarity is how many copies of a game were made not what is currently available. If everyone owns a copy of Mario Kart in their collection that now aren't available for sale, it doesn't mean that the game is any less common. lol
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
I think you are too wrapped up in print runs. Its how often you see it in respect to the snes library. Mario Kart and allstars are not the same level as Super Caesars Palace and Madden 93
I think you are too wrapped up in how often you see something in picked over game stores though. lol
Why do you think they kept printing a game through the entire life of a system like they did with Mario Kart? Because sales were poor?
Im not strictly going by game stores. Im going by I take games in and sell them. I buy lots all the time. Its how often I get them that weighs heaviest to me. Im supposedly in the mecca of games region of the US. It doesnt matter how many mario karts are in peoples collections. It matters about finding them now in comparison to the library. Super Mario Karts in collectors collections isnt an available copy
Rarity is how many copies of a game were made not what is currently available. If everyone owns a copy of Mario Kart in their collection that now aren't available for sale, it doesn't mean that the game is any less common. lol
rarity isnt strictly print run alone. Its the odds of finding one in the current market compared to the other titles in that library. Print run ideas only give you guidance and a suggestion. No one knows print runs of all the titles. and how many they printed. Thats why that logic isnt useful in a rarity database to me. Im actively involved in the market. People are too wrapped up in R1. R2 and R3 are commons too. Super Metroid is a million seller. But I only see that game maybe once or twice a year. Its never in lots I buy and rarely comes in the local gamestores. R1s are for the games no one wants that they sit on shelves in multiple copies at every store and every lot you buy off facebook and craigslist have one it. The annoying titles. Or like Super Mario World and DKC whiche are my exceptions since those are in almost every lot I get and in the case of SMW it was with every system sold practically. I lump mario allstars , DKC2, DKC 3, and mario kart and killer instinct in the R2 category. You can easily run into them but since they are popular it takes some more effort than your typical R1.
Out of those games though, mario allstars would be the one I least fought for R1 status. I could understand it
I agree that since print numbers have not been provided by publishers for the vast majority of games, currently the only way to infer relative rarity is through market availability. It's possible to fudge the numbers some to take into account things like cart price (higher price = more incentive to put on the market) and popularity/playability (better games = more incentive to keep in a collection), but the end result will likely not reflect the actual ratios these games were originally produced at. One issue doing it this way does raise, is any list would have to be fairly dynamic to reflect constantly changing market conditions. I think Ebay would be the logical barometer, as it is extremely transparent as far as raw numbers of copies available/recently sold, as well as reflects the market as a whole negating any regional market disparities.
I agree that since print numbers have not been provided by publishers for the vast majority of games, currently the only way to infer relative rarity is through market availability. It's possible to fudge the numbers some to take into account things like cart price (higher price = more incentive to put on the market) and popularity/playability (better games = more incentive to keep in a collection), but the end result will likely not reflect the actual ratios these games were originally produced at. One issue doing it this way does raise, is any list would have to be fairly dynamic to reflect constantly changing market conditions. I think Ebay would be the logical barometer, as it is extremely transparent as far as raw numbers of copies available/recently sold, as well as reflects the market as a whole negating any regional market disparities.
meh cant really used ebay as the primary factor in rarity. Some games suck and sit, other games that are fun and more expensive get loaded on there because of name alone. It should be waited somewhat equally with all the other factors. The best people for this project are people that hunt around and are active online and offline looking for games. Everything is available online and its not a determiner in rarity database to me. If it is used as a factor then price should also be used. Price is part of it, because if it were easy enough to find it wouldnt command the price.
Not directed at anyone in particular here yet that I know of, but I really would hope people who dont really look for games often or ever and just buy online would refrain from participating if we are going to just average out everyones opinion equally. Which is a fine method for now. There are a few people that dont hunt offline like Jonebone etc that Id trust and listen to their opinion. And as far as boxes and manuals go people going for cib sets for a long period of time, Id trust them on the subject, but as far as carts go Id prefer people who are actively looking for them. Ill listen to anyones opinion though. I just might not agree
I agree that since print numbers have not been provided by publishers for the vast majority of games, currently the only way to infer relative rarity is through market availability. It's possible to fudge the numbers some to take into account things like cart price (higher price = more incentive to put on the market) and popularity/playability (better games = more incentive to keep in a collection), but the end result will likely not reflect the actual ratios these games were originally produced at. One issue doing it this way does raise, is any list would have to be fairly dynamic to reflect constantly changing market conditions. I think Ebay would be the logical barometer, as it is extremely transparent as far as raw numbers of copies available/recently sold, as well as reflects the market as a whole negating any regional market disparities.
meh cant really used ebay as the primary factor in rarity. Some games suck and sit, other games that are fun and more expensive get loaded on there because of name alone. It should be waited somewhat equally with all the other factors. The best people for this project are people that hunt around and are active online and offline looking for games. Everything is available online and its not a determiner in rarity database to me. If it is used as a factor then price should also be used. Price is part of it, because if it were easy enough to find it wouldnt command the price.
Not directed at anyone in particular here yet that I know of, but I really would hope people who dont really look for games often or ever and just buy online would refrain from participating if we are going to just average out everyones opinion equally. Which is a fine method for now. There are a few people that dont hunt offline like Jonebone etc that Id trust and listen to their opinion. And as far as boxes and manuals go people going for cib sets for a long period of time, Id trust them on the subject, but as far as carts go Id prefer people who are actively looking for them. Ill listen to anyones opinion though. I just might not agree
Well, I guess the reason I think eBay would be the logical choice to base numbers on, at least as a starting point, is I don't see any other way of being able to objectively look at numbers. Unless there are several people out there in different regions actively cataloguing and tracking the inventory and sell through rates of their local retro game shops, garage sales, and craigslist buys; relative rarity has to basically be pulled out of the feelings of the community..which is totally fine, but makes things extremely difficult and unwieldy to keep current as market conditions change. If this list ends up as a relative market availability rather than relative rarity list that could be troublesome. With eBay numbers you can at least get a decent starting point, and from there adjust things based on price/desirability etc. The issue of having unpopular games sit while more popular ones sell is solved in part by combing both active listings and sold listings. For example currently John Madden Football has 90-100 available with about 20 sold for a total of 120, while Ken Griffey Jr. Presents MLB has about 20 available and 100 sold. I would say those both probably have about the same level of rarity, though Ken Griffey is a much more popular game. A year from now there might be less Ken Griffey Jr.s available on the market which would be easy to determine on eBay, but a bit of a chore polling the community.
Personally I completely understand that I don't have the level of credibilty here like most others as I am pretty new to the site and posting. I will compile my own personal list and give it to Brock (big thanks for doing this!) and in the meantime look forward to seeing everyone else's and how they all compare given the insane level of knowledge collectively on this site.
I've giving everyone the freedom to come up with their own numbers in the manner they choose for now. But I would also ask that people try to be reasonable, use their best critical thinking, and be open to what others say in the discussion here
I was thinking the other night, it would be pretty cool to have people who actively hunt in their region represent a region of the US for the database and compile it by region for an average. Be sort of complicated but would kind of be awesome since some regions have games that others never seen. Like I hear all the time how Bassins Black Bass is hard to come by. Ive found/bought and sold probably 50 of those things over the years. and passed on another 100 of them that were accurately/overpriced at 10-15 at the time. Its not rare around here at all. Probably due to region. But if you look at ebay there are only like 10 copies of that game on there at a time. So it looks rarer than it should be to me. Id put it at an R4/R5 while I hear R6/R7 for it around here. I just cant lump it with other games like Adv. of Batman and Robin etc that are more of the R6 variety. But again it might be a region thing
It would make sense. I've bought BBB twice in the last year, because the percentage of fisherman in a place like Bozeman Montana is going to be astronomically higher than the big cities
I was thinking the other night, it would be pretty cool to have people who actively hunt in their region represent a region of the US for the database and compile it by region for an average. Be sort of complicated but would kind of be awesome since some regions have games that others never seen. Like I hear all the time how Bassins Black Bass is hard to come by. Ive found/bought and sold probably 50 of those things over the years. and passed on another 100 of them that were accurately/overpriced at 10-15 at the time. Its not rare around here at all. Probably due to region. But if you look at ebay there are only like 10 copies of that game on there at a time. So it looks rarer than it should be to me. Id put it at an R4/R5 while I hear R6/R7 for it around here. I just cant lump it with other games like Adv. of Batman and Robin etc that are more of the R6 variety. But again it might be a region thing
I think that some of the harder to find Sports Games (BBB on SNES, and Rollerblade Racer on NES) are sometimes easy to find locally just because resellers and many collectors have no idea that they are actually somewhat uncommon, this keeps the prices low because noone is activly looking for them, and it keeps ebay empty because many resellers have no motivation to buy one to post. Common sports titles are all over ebay because people get them in lots and post them to get rid of them. If I ever see a sports game I do not own, I always check to see how many are on ebay and amazon. If there arent many online I know that I have probably found a somewhat secret uncommon. I picked up Relief Pitcher for SNES that way Tuesday, I had never seen it, but a local store had it for $.99, I looked and there were 4 on Amazon, and 4 on eBay. I bought it, and was happy to have found a uncommon so cheap.
I can't offer a list of my local area... I know of atleast 4 large local stores that have liquidated in my area in the past few years, and 2 other store's inventories that have been brought into my area to be liquidated. That is not counting another local store that found over 3,000 NES and SNES games in storage when I started buying from them last year. Numbers here are way off, I saw 7-10 copies of Panzer Dragoon Saga on store shelves in 2015 alone.
head on soccer is way more common. Id move it down. I see it all the time. Actually added it to my collection last week for 5 bucks haha. Probably because Im closer to mexico and soccer games are more abundant down here. Head on soccer is one of the more common ones. I see it more than I see like Fifa 97, world cup 94 road to glory, and a few others besides the really rare ones we already know like super copa, and international superstar deluxe.
head on soccer is way more common. Id move it down. I see it all the time. Actually added it to my collection last week for 5 bucks haha. Probably because Im closer to mexico and soccer games are more abundant down here. Head on soccer is one of the more common ones. I see it more than I see like Fifa 97, world cup 94 road to glory, and a few others besides the really rare ones we already know like super copa, and international superstar deluxe.
I was just asking where he wanted to move it. R7?
Iss Deluxe is much more common than plain ISS. lol
head on soccer is way more common. Id move it down. I see it all the time. Actually added it to my collection last week for 5 bucks haha. Probably because Im closer to mexico and soccer games are more abundant down here. Head on soccer is one of the more common ones. I see it more than I see like Fifa 97, world cup 94 road to glory, and a few others besides the really rare ones we already know like super copa, and international superstar deluxe.
I was just asking where he wanted to move it. R7?
Iss Deluxe is much more common than plain ISS. lol
ISS and ISS Deluxe Ive never seen in the wild. They are both pretty rare. Im in soccer game heaven and still havent seen them lol.
Head on soccer is like mario paint in comparison haha. Yes ISS is rarer than ISS deluxe definitely. I was just naming some of the rarer ones. Wasnt going for the full soccer list
head on soccer is way more common. Id move it down. I see it all the time. Actually added it to my collection last week for 5 bucks haha. Probably because Im closer to mexico and soccer games are more abundant down here. Head on soccer is one of the more common ones. I see it more than I see like Fifa 97, world cup 94 road to glory, and a few others besides the really rare ones we already know like super copa, and international superstar deluxe.
I was just asking where he wanted to move it. R7?
Iss Deluxe is much more common than plain ISS. lol
ISS and ISS Deluxe Ive never seen in the wild. They are both pretty rare. Im in soccer game heaven and still havent seen them lol.
Head on soccer is like mario paint in comparison haha. Yes ISS is rarer than ISS deluxe definitely. I was just naming some of the rarer ones. Wasnt going for the full soccer list
You are on the wrong side of the border for ISS or Super Copa though
That guy who's been selling tons of ugly copies of ISS Deluxe the last few months from Arizona is probably just making trips down there because pretty much all of them come from somehwhere besides the US.
I'd definitely remove Super Buster Bros (I ranked that one a 5) I also ranked Sink or Swim a 6 but I can see the debate on that one.
I would put War 2410 as a 9, alongside AeroFighters
ive always thought buckeroos was rarer than fire dogs too
I had a hard time finding Buckaroos, even online it doesn't show up much. I would say TimeWarp is as rare as Fire Dogs, I had a hard time finding it as well.
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The box for super Mario world is actually kinda hard to find too.
Maybe a 4
Id say that box is higher. 6 being player choice 7 or 8 being regular print
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
I was commenting on both your lists. I agree with most of your R1 list except for the few I pointed out
I think you are too wrapped up in print runs. Its how often you see it in respect to the snes library. Mario Kart and allstars are not the same level as Super Caesars Palace, mario paint, Madden 93 and Jurassic Parks of the world.
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
I think you are too wrapped up in print runs. Its how often you see it in respect to the snes library. Mario Kart and allstars are not the same level as Super Caesars Palace and Madden 93
I think you are too wrapped up in how often you see something in picked over game stores though. lol
Why do you think they kept printing a game through the entire life of a system like they did with Mario Kart? Because sales were poor?
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
I think you are too wrapped up in print runs. Its how often you see it in respect to the snes library. Mario Kart and allstars are not the same level as Super Caesars Palace and Madden 93
I think you are too wrapped up in how often you see something in picked over game stores though. lol
Why do you think they kept printing a game through the entire life of a system like they did with Mario Kart? Because sales were poor?
Im not strictly going by game stores. Im going by I take games in and sell them. I buy lots all the time. Its how often I get them that weighs heaviest to me. Im supposedly in the mecca of games region of the US. It doesnt matter how many mario karts are in peoples collections. It matters about finding them now in comparison to the library. Super Mario Karts in collectors collections isnt an available copy. Im not selling my childhood copy of Mario Allstars, along with most people here. It doesnt matter how well it sold back then strictly for rarity. Its not the only scale and factor you should be using. Im using it as a partial factor when erring on the side of a rarity level. Like I feel TMNT IV is an R3. But I know how many print runs it had and how well it sold so you say R1. Thats why Ill err on the side of it being an R2.
Print runs seems to be the only factor you are harping on. Its just not that way. A good majority of those are already owned and in a pretty much permanent home. There arent all those print runs in the wild waiting to be bought. Just a fraction. R1 is for dirt common, anywhere you see SNES games there is probably 1 there, kind of game.
Remember guys, doesn't have to be perfect, and nothing is permanent. The important things is we're moving in the right direction
yup we are moving alright.
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
I think you are too wrapped up in print runs. Its how often you see it in respect to the snes library. Mario Kart and allstars are not the same level as Super Caesars Palace and Madden 93
I think you are too wrapped up in how often you see something in picked over game stores though. lol
Why do you think they kept printing a game through the entire life of a system like they did with Mario Kart? Because sales were poor?
Im not strictly going by game stores. Im going by I take games in and sell them. I buy lots all the time. Its how often I get them that weighs heaviest to me. Im supposedly in the mecca of games region of the US. It doesnt matter how many mario karts are in peoples collections. It matters about finding them now in comparison to the library. Super Mario Karts in collectors collections isnt an available copy
Rarity is how many copies of a game were made not what is currently available. If everyone owns a copy of Mario Kart in their collection that now aren't available for sale, it doesn't mean that the game is any less common. lol
disagree with a few of those. Mario Allstars is not as common as mario world and almost all those games you listed. just cant lump them together.
DKC 2
DKC 3
Super Mario Allstars
Super Mario Kart
Killer Instinct
I believe those are R2. Not 1. Id definitely have subbed some other games as R1 over those.
As far as your possible candidates go Brock, I know Super Metroid is a million seller, but you just dont see it that much compared to other popular games like that. Id have it as an R3 actually. Yoshi's Island I believe is also closer to an R2/R3 than a 1. It pops up in lots but not the frequency of the other games you are saying are R1
Remember guys R2 and R3s are common as hell and pretty common categories as well
My list or Brock's list?
I only have All-Stars and Mario Kart on my R1 list and that is because of all of the reprints. Mario Kart had like 3, 4, or 5 runs lol
I think you are too wrapped up in print runs. Its how often you see it in respect to the snes library. Mario Kart and allstars are not the same level as Super Caesars Palace and Madden 93
I think you are too wrapped up in how often you see something in picked over game stores though. lol
Why do you think they kept printing a game through the entire life of a system like they did with Mario Kart? Because sales were poor?
Im not strictly going by game stores. Im going by I take games in and sell them. I buy lots all the time. Its how often I get them that weighs heaviest to me. Im supposedly in the mecca of games region of the US. It doesnt matter how many mario karts are in peoples collections. It matters about finding them now in comparison to the library. Super Mario Karts in collectors collections isnt an available copy
Rarity is how many copies of a game were made not what is currently available. If everyone owns a copy of Mario Kart in their collection that now aren't available for sale, it doesn't mean that the game is any less common. lol
rarity isnt strictly print run alone. Its the odds of finding one in the current market compared to the other titles in that library. Print run ideas only give you guidance and a suggestion. No one knows print runs of all the titles. and how many they printed. Thats why that logic isnt useful in a rarity database to me. Im actively involved in the market. People are too wrapped up in R1. R2 and R3 are commons too. Super Metroid is a million seller. But I only see that game maybe once or twice a year. Its never in lots I buy and rarely comes in the local gamestores. R1s are for the games no one wants that they sit on shelves in multiple copies at every store and every lot you buy off facebook and craigslist have one it. The annoying titles. Or like Super Mario World and DKC whiche are my exceptions since those are in almost every lot I get and in the case of SMW it was with every system sold practically. I lump mario allstars , DKC2, DKC 3, and mario kart and killer instinct in the R2 category. You can easily run into them but since they are popular it takes some more effort than your typical R1.
Out of those games though, mario allstars would be the one I least fought for R1 status. I could understand it
I agree that since print numbers have not been provided by publishers for the vast majority of games, currently the only way to infer relative rarity is through market availability. It's possible to fudge the numbers some to take into account things like cart price (higher price = more incentive to put on the market) and popularity/playability (better games = more incentive to keep in a collection), but the end result will likely not reflect the actual ratios these games were originally produced at. One issue doing it this way does raise, is any list would have to be fairly dynamic to reflect constantly changing market conditions. I think Ebay would be the logical barometer, as it is extremely transparent as far as raw numbers of copies available/recently sold, as well as reflects the market as a whole negating any regional market disparities.
meh cant really used ebay as the primary factor in rarity. Some games suck and sit, other games that are fun and more expensive get loaded on there because of name alone. It should be waited somewhat equally with all the other factors. The best people for this project are people that hunt around and are active online and offline looking for games. Everything is available online and its not a determiner in rarity database to me. If it is used as a factor then price should also be used. Price is part of it, because if it were easy enough to find it wouldnt command the price.
Not directed at anyone in particular here yet that I know of, but I really would hope people who dont really look for games often or ever and just buy online would refrain from participating if we are going to just average out everyones opinion equally. Which is a fine method for now. There are a few people that dont hunt offline like Jonebone etc that Id trust and listen to their opinion. And as far as boxes and manuals go people going for cib sets for a long period of time, Id trust them on the subject, but as far as carts go Id prefer people who are actively looking for them. Ill listen to anyones opinion though. I just might not agree
I agree that since print numbers have not been provided by publishers for the vast majority of games, currently the only way to infer relative rarity is through market availability. It's possible to fudge the numbers some to take into account things like cart price (higher price = more incentive to put on the market) and popularity/playability (better games = more incentive to keep in a collection), but the end result will likely not reflect the actual ratios these games were originally produced at. One issue doing it this way does raise, is any list would have to be fairly dynamic to reflect constantly changing market conditions. I think Ebay would be the logical barometer, as it is extremely transparent as far as raw numbers of copies available/recently sold, as well as reflects the market as a whole negating any regional market disparities.
meh cant really used ebay as the primary factor in rarity. Some games suck and sit, other games that are fun and more expensive get loaded on there because of name alone. It should be waited somewhat equally with all the other factors. The best people for this project are people that hunt around and are active online and offline looking for games. Everything is available online and its not a determiner in rarity database to me. If it is used as a factor then price should also be used. Price is part of it, because if it were easy enough to find it wouldnt command the price.
Not directed at anyone in particular here yet that I know of, but I really would hope people who dont really look for games often or ever and just buy online would refrain from participating if we are going to just average out everyones opinion equally. Which is a fine method for now. There are a few people that dont hunt offline like Jonebone etc that Id trust and listen to their opinion. And as far as boxes and manuals go people going for cib sets for a long period of time, Id trust them on the subject, but as far as carts go Id prefer people who are actively looking for them. Ill listen to anyones opinion though. I just might not agree
Well, I guess the reason I think eBay would be the logical choice to base numbers on, at least as a starting point, is I don't see any other way of being able to objectively look at numbers. Unless there are several people out there in different regions actively cataloguing and tracking the inventory and sell through rates of their local retro game shops, garage sales, and craigslist buys; relative rarity has to basically be pulled out of the feelings of the community..which is totally fine, but makes things extremely difficult and unwieldy to keep current as market conditions change. If this list ends up as a relative market availability rather than relative rarity list that could be troublesome. With eBay numbers you can at least get a decent starting point, and from there adjust things based on price/desirability etc. The issue of having unpopular games sit while more popular ones sell is solved in part by combing both active listings and sold listings. For example currently John Madden Football has 90-100 available with about 20 sold for a total of 120, while Ken Griffey Jr. Presents MLB has about 20 available and 100 sold. I would say those both probably have about the same level of rarity, though Ken Griffey is a much more popular game. A year from now there might be less Ken Griffey Jr.s available on the market which would be easy to determine on eBay, but a bit of a chore polling the community.
Personally I completely understand that I don't have the level of credibilty here like most others as I am pretty new to the site and posting. I will compile my own personal list and give it to Brock (big thanks for doing this!) and in the meantime look forward to seeing everyone else's and how they all compare given the insane level of knowledge collectively on this site.
I was thinking the other night, it would be pretty cool to have people who actively hunt in their region represent a region of the US for the database and compile it by region for an average. Be sort of complicated but would kind of be awesome since some regions have games that others never seen. Like I hear all the time how Bassins Black Bass is hard to come by. Ive found/bought and sold probably 50 of those things over the years. and passed on another 100 of them that were accurately/overpriced at 10-15 at the time. Its not rare around here at all. Probably due to region. But if you look at ebay there are only like 10 copies of that game on there at a time. So it looks rarer than it should be to me. Id put it at an R4/R5 while I hear R6/R7 for it around here. I just cant lump it with other games like Adv. of Batman and Robin etc that are more of the R6 variety. But again it might be a region thing
I think that some of the harder to find Sports Games (BBB on SNES, and Rollerblade Racer on NES) are sometimes easy to find locally just because resellers and many collectors have no idea that they are actually somewhat uncommon, this keeps the prices low because noone is activly looking for them, and it keeps ebay empty because many resellers have no motivation to buy one to post. Common sports titles are all over ebay because people get them in lots and post them to get rid of them. If I ever see a sports game I do not own, I always check to see how many are on ebay and amazon. If there arent many online I know that I have probably found a somewhat secret uncommon. I picked up Relief Pitcher for SNES that way Tuesday, I had never seen it, but a local store had it for $.99, I looked and there were 4 on Amazon, and 4 on eBay. I bought it, and was happy to have found a uncommon so cheap.
Since 8 seems to be the unofficial cap on retail games, what are the most glaring omissions from that list? Games that need to be dropped down?
Remove:
Head-On Soccer
Super Buster Bros.
Add:
Sink or Swim
Other possible candidates:
Kawasaki Superbike Challenge
Pieces
Cannondale Cup
Pocky and Rocky 2
Super Turrican 2
Shien's Revenge
Incantation
Maybe we can work towards the middle from both ends. Obviouly things around 3-4-5 are going to get tough
Since 8 seems to be the unofficial cap on retail games, what are the most glaring omissions from that list? Games that need to be dropped down?
Remove:
Head-On Soccer
Super Buster Bros.
Add:
Sink or Swim
Other possible candidates:
Kawasaki Superbike Challenge
Pieces
Cannondale Cup
Pocky and Rocky 2
Super Turrican 2
Shien's Revenge
Incantation
What are you wanting to do with Head-On?
It's pretty uncommon and has one of the rarest boxes in the set.
Pieces seems too common for R8 and not any more rare than a game like Syndicate that could probably be an R8 cart?
Street Racer and Mountain Bike Rally seem like they are a little high though
head on soccer is way more common. Id move it down. I see it all the time. Actually added it to my collection last week for 5 bucks haha. Probably because Im closer to mexico and soccer games are more abundant down here. Head on soccer is one of the more common ones. I see it more than I see like Fifa 97, world cup 94 road to glory, and a few others besides the really rare ones we already know like super copa, and international superstar deluxe.
I was just asking where he wanted to move it. R7?
Iss Deluxe is much more common than plain ISS. lol
Final Fight Guy
Pieces
Ren & Stimpy Buckaroos
Time Trax
War 3010
I'd definitely remove Super Buster Bros (I ranked that one a 5) I also ranked Sink or Swim a 6 but I can see the debate on that one.
I would put War 2410 as a 9, alongside AeroFighters
head on soccer is way more common. Id move it down. I see it all the time. Actually added it to my collection last week for 5 bucks haha. Probably because Im closer to mexico and soccer games are more abundant down here. Head on soccer is one of the more common ones. I see it more than I see like Fifa 97, world cup 94 road to glory, and a few others besides the really rare ones we already know like super copa, and international superstar deluxe.
I was just asking where he wanted to move it. R7?
Iss Deluxe is much more common than plain ISS. lol
ISS and ISS Deluxe Ive never seen in the wild. They are both pretty rare. Im in soccer game heaven and still havent seen them lol.
Head on soccer is like mario paint in comparison haha. Yes ISS is rarer than ISS deluxe definitely. I was just naming some of the rarer ones. Wasnt going for the full soccer list
I would recommend moving to 8:
Final Fight Guy
Pieces
Ren & Stimpy Buckaroos
Time Trax
War 3010
I'd definitely remove Super Buster Bros (I ranked that one a 5) I also ranked Sink or Swim a 6 but I can see the debate on that one.
I would put War 2410 as a 9, alongside AeroFighters
ive always thought buckeroos was rarer than fire dogs too
head on soccer is way more common. Id move it down. I see it all the time. Actually added it to my collection last week for 5 bucks haha. Probably because Im closer to mexico and soccer games are more abundant down here. Head on soccer is one of the more common ones. I see it more than I see like Fifa 97, world cup 94 road to glory, and a few others besides the really rare ones we already know like super copa, and international superstar deluxe.
I was just asking where he wanted to move it. R7?
Iss Deluxe is much more common than plain ISS. lol
ISS and ISS Deluxe Ive never seen in the wild. They are both pretty rare. Im in soccer game heaven and still havent seen them lol.
Head on soccer is like mario paint in comparison haha. Yes ISS is rarer than ISS deluxe definitely. I was just naming some of the rarer ones. Wasnt going for the full soccer list
You are on the wrong side of the border for ISS or Super Copa though
That guy who's been selling tons of ugly copies of ISS Deluxe the last few months from Arizona is probably just making trips down there because pretty much all of them come from somehwhere besides the US.
All of mine came from Chile or Mexico.
I would recommend moving to 8:
Final Fight Guy
Pieces
Ren & Stimpy Buckaroos
Time Trax
War 3010
I'd definitely remove Super Buster Bros (I ranked that one a 5) I also ranked Sink or Swim a 6 but I can see the debate on that one.
I would put War 2410 as a 9, alongside AeroFighters
ive always thought buckeroos was rarer than fire dogs too
I had a hard time finding Buckaroos, even online it doesn't show up much. I would say TimeWarp is as rare as Fire Dogs, I had a hard time finding it as well.
Air Cavalry
Cannondale Cup
F1 ROC 2
GP1
GP1 Part II
Hammerlock Wrestling
Jimmy Connors Pro Tennis
Jimmy Houston's Bass Tournament USA
Mark Davis' The Fishing Master
Metal Morph
Natsume Championship Wrestling
Shien's Revenge
Sonic Blastman II
Sporting News Baseball
Steel Talons
Time Cop
I would recommend moving to 8:
Final Fight Guy
Pieces
Ren & Stimpy Buckaroos
Time Trax
War 3010
I'd definitely remove Super Buster Bros (I ranked that one a 5) I also ranked Sink or Swim a 6 but I can see the debate on that one.
I would put War 2410 as a 9, alongside AeroFighters
War 3010? I always thought that was super common. I picked up 30 sealed copies for dirt cheap afew years ago, too bad I dont still have them.