i forgot to say in my post that to say that this caltron game and gluk games although they were sold in european countries, they are not "european versions" because they don't work properly on european systems.
p.d it seems both of you didn't see my post on this thread...
edit for replying tuxedocivic: i got them from the same seller. I don't know how many of them he had but may be he still has some copies left
edit 2: rubtux, check my post, you'll see what qixmaster is trying to make you understand
Piteta: Loads to read so I will first react on the first part:
"Caltron/Ntdec/megasoft produced both things: pirated games and unlicensed games, so it's not only an unlicensed company, it's also a pirate company." Ok so it can still be a pirate. If you have 2 identicall games and they both look different 1 of them can be a pirate, right?
"Since the beggining it seems to me you've been trying to say that this copies we're selling are pirate copies" No I have been saying that those copies COULD BE pirate copies, people need to read better...
"and that's why you think we're trying to cheat people" Yet another member who is going to tell me what I think, wow. NO! I never thought you where trying to cheat people how the hell are you supposed to make these carts? I think they are bought with the good attentions if earning a nice buck like we all want.
"until last monday i didn't get the copies i owe" Again something that sounds like he was waiting to get them himself, ofcourse it can be a coinciende ofcourse but so much at this time. Even if they are the real deal why would people want to have it if they popup everywhere? Yours also have the game in plastic without the manual & box?
"no one is producing again this carts. In fact, if some one was doing that it's quite possible that he would use "epoxy ic's" instead of standard eproms." Thats exactly what I've sayed I dont think they are produced now, but back then.
About the photos, the NTDEC photo is helping because it shows like chineese signs on it telling us that they probably faked that as well? Or does one of the companies comes from China/Korea?
From the 2 other games I would like to see a blackstick caltron + "European Version" Caltron large photo that would clear a lot of things up probably. If its the same then it must be real, as noted a lot of times before I'm looking for the truth. Still one thing rightnow is for sure that this version is much less rare then the black sticker to my oppinion.
"Plastic Bag" Well yes lets say some seller have done this Rob can check to see if they are all 100% closed at the same possition? I dont know how they are closed. But to Quote Qixmaster: "i've also seen a Euro box art for the Caltron 6in1, jajaja owns it" So does it excists or not?
"gluk games have no labels on their back" Ok I thought the photo from Braveheart in the other threat showed Gluk games. Gluk is a licenced company, right? So yet another Licenced company that doesnt use the "pirate stickers".
"As i think i said in the other thread and some one has already said in this thread: caltron/Megasoft/Ntdec produced both unlicensed games and pirated games." Ok so do you think they are both Licenced?
No my Gluk games don't have labels on the back it's just molded into the back plastic. All those other carts I showed pics of with the same back label sticker were all pirates of different types. I just pulled all of the ones I had with that back label.
rubtux, i will not edit my post. from what i have read and gathered from your opinion my statement is accurate.
If that statement is NOT true then you have a case against me, but seeing that "thinking" and "believing" are very similar and that your facts are based solely on the back label theory then my post is true.
Well then you are a bad admin using your possition to force a direction with something someone havent sayed.
and yes, although they made pirate games, the caltron 6-1 is a UNIQUE game. is that too hard to understand?
I dont think this is solving anything, this is your oppinion and you cannot force people to say what you think. "Is it to hard to understand" is just childish.
Listen buddy, I have all day to reply to you.
"is it too hard to understand" is not childish, it is a question since i know english isn't your first language.
EDIT: and it is not my opinion, it is a fact. Caltron 6 in 1 is a unique game. This company made both,we have shown evidence of this.
DOUBLE EDIT: if you have any other questions, send me a PM. I do not have to justify myself to you publicely.
Ah it sounded like a downforce threat like don't you understand? in a bad way.
Sorry for that then I have missred, appologies for that.
I didnt know that we now all of the sudden where talking about weather this game is UNIQUE or not, all games are UNIQUE so I dont think thats an issue.
For your Double Edit: I didnt have questions to you related to the subject.
Don't feel like having to justify yourself, you dont have any reasons to. Just a missunderstanding.
piteta, did you find your copies of 6 in 1 from the same seller? I wonder how many he had in total.
Yes thats a good question.
If I didnt have to fight all people we could all focus on info.
Other Question: If peteta & Rob could tell like the front name of the seller or some part so we dont know who it is. Then other members can check to see if they also bought this game from the same seller.
No my Gluk games don't have labels on the back it's just molded into the back plastic. All those other carts I showed pics of with the same back label sticker were all pirates of different types. I just pulled all of the ones I had with that back label.
"gluk games have no labels on their back" Ok I thought the photo from Braveheart in the other threat showed Gluk games. Gluk is a licenced company, right? So yet another Licenced company that doesnt use the "pirate stickers".
"As i think i said in the other thread and some one has already said in this thread: caltron/Megasoft/Ntdec produced both unlicensed games and pirated games." Ok so do you think they are both Licenced?
we are not saying that caltron is not a pirate company, we're saying is both things: unlicensed company and pirate company. That is proven with my pics.
Rubtux, you can be right and may be i need to read better but i must said that what i said of you was because of the first impression i got from you.
If you don't want to believe that it's a coincidence, then don't believe it. But it's what is it because i didn't know that robe had 6 copies and that he had started to sell them as he sold one. And as i said before this games are not poping everywhere. They've popped now and as soon as i've sold my copy and robe has done the same with his, they won't pop again until who knows when.
And yes, my copies are identical to his. Why? i gave the explanation in my post: the reseller thought it was a waste of money to make a box and placed them in a plastic bag and sealed it "hand made" with standard tape.
does this one help you? if not i can scan it with other megasoft games i have.
gluk a licensed company? lol Gluk didn't use those stickers because they were the worst (don't know how to say that in english may be it's "they suck) Keep in mind that they didn't even care to remove the original megasoft label and instead they placed their own label!!!
Nevermind, if you keep being so mind closed it'll be like you were agreeing with what robe said about you wanting to throw shit on this games :S
edit: don't think my copies came from the same place than robe's copies because if they were from the same seller he didn't had to get them shipped to his house. And i don't think any one has got copies from any of this two sellers.
*sigh* I should have just let this die. leaving thread for a while...
Gotta agree....who really gives a sh*t. Its like arguing with a brickwall. You can tell he is one who will argue for no reason at all. Dude should just let Robe sell them and don't buy them if he isn't interested. He is the only one who thinks they are pirates. Plus, he is a blackmailer!!!!
I knew I had info somewhere. After searching around I found an old .doc with a chat conversation from 2007 where I was chatting with a seller who sold Gluk games on Ebay and he had the 18 Gluk games himselves. He sold 6 Gluk games, his doubles here is the info I got back then. If Gabriel is a member here and doesnt me to publish this please let me know and I will remove it. Here we go:
Talking About Gluk Games:
Tux: not sure why actually... how did you get yours?
Gabriel: yeah, people now know that they are valuable for international collectors
Gabriel: and is putting some of them on ebay
Tux: so you see them there a lot?
Gabriel: nop
Gabriel: it took me 7 seven years to complete the 18 different games
Tux: whats the story about the games? where have they been sold?
Tux: so you have more then the 6 on ebay?
Gabriel: the 6 on ebay are my dupes
Tux: ah, ok
Gabriel: I have 18 from my personal collection
Tux: understanding, so you collect nes?
Gabriel: yeah
Gabriel: and also snes and gameboy black&white
Tux: ok
Tux: ah can you get me a photo from your caltrons would be nice to see
Tux: and how do you know there are only 18?
Gabriel: I'm not sure, but I don't find any more.
Tux: ok sounds acceptable
Tux: can I get a photo from your 18?
Gabriel: I have them in my parents house, I can send you the photos to this mail
Tux: ok thanks that would be nice
Tux: so whats the story about these games
Tux: are they pirated or real?
Gabriel: They are Unlicensed games.
Tux: ok
Tux: what about the sticker under the games?
Gabriel: Just released here in Spain, under the collection "Gluk Videogames" property of Photopak S.A.
Gabriel: a legit spanish company
Tux: ok
Gabriel: the sticker yeah
Gabriel: Gluk Video sticker is over another sticker with different image and title in english
Gabriel: just as Myriad and Caltron
Tux: yes
Gabriel: The spanish company make the box and new stickers
Gabriel: and also a game
Gabriel: "Gluk the thunder warrior"
Gabriel: All the games (except black ones) have the same Caltron-Miryad style case
Tux: so they got the boxes from a english company?
Gabriel: no
Gabriel: the boxes are full in spanish
Gabriel: the were made in spain
Tux: but why are the titles in english then?
Gabriel: well it's complicated
Tux: ok try to
Gabriel: NTDEC & MegaSoft are Taiwanese companies
Tux: yes
Gabriel: They develop most of Unlicensed games
Gabriel: Then, they sell the copyright to companies around the world
Gabriel: like Caltron in the USA, they made a 6 in 1 cartridge.
Tux: ok and the spanish company used there own stickers over the NTDEC version
Gabriel: yes
Gabriel: and make new boxes
Tux: hmm
Tux: if they made new boxes
Tux: why did they put the english version below it?
Gabriel: the bought the rights to NTDEC-MEGASOFT
Tux: why not a empty box and only there sticker over it?
Gabriel: I don't know, the have to sell the games in Spain
Gabriel: So they make them look more professional than just a sticker
Tux: so they probably sold them in a english talking land as well?
Gabriel: As far as I know
Tux: still a little mistery but thanks for the info, makes things more clear
Gabriel: NTDEC sold games to: Brasil (a company called CGE), USA (Caltron - Myriad) and Spain (Gluk Video)
Tux: ok
Gabriel: Spain got all the games produced by NTDEC-MegaSoft
Gabriel: Spanish collectors (except a few) don't value these games, they treat them as pirates.
Gabriel: The one that are buying them are foreign collectors
Tux: ok... howcome like F15 is black instead of gray?
Gabriel: dont't know
Gabriel: there's also more black games
Tux: like the US F15 is also black (pirated)
Gabriel: Policeman, Puzzle, volleyball, f15, creatom and Gluk the thunder warrior
we are not saying that caltron is not a pirate company, we're saying is both things: unlicensed company and pirate company. That is proven with my pics.
Rubtux, you can be right and may be i need to read better but i must said that what i said of you was because of the first impression i got from you.
If you don't want to believe that it's a coincidence, then don't believe it. But it's what is it because i didn't know that robe had 6 copies and that he had started to sell them as he sold one. And as i said before this games are not poping everywhere. They've popped now and as soon as i've sold my copy and robe has done the same with his, they won't pop again until who knows when. And yes, my copies are identical to his. Why? i gave the explanation in my post: the reseller thought it was a waste of money to make a box and placed them in a plastic bag and sealed it "hand made" with standard tape.
does this one help you? if not i can scan it with other megasoft games i have.
gluk a licensed company? lol Gluk didn't use those stickers because they were the worst (don't know how to say that in english may be it's "they suck) Keep in mind that they didn't even care to remove the original megasoft label and instead they placed their own label!!!
Nevermind, if you keep being so mind closed it'll be like you were agreeing with what robe said about you wanting to throw shit on this games :S
edit: don't think my copies came from the same place than robe's copies because if they were from the same seller he didn't had to get them shipped to his house. And i don't think any one has got copies from any of this two sellers.
"My pics are fake? lol"
I guess this is a reply on:
"About the photos, the NTDEC photo is helping because it shows like chineese signs on it telling us that they probably faked that as well?"
I was telling that NTDEC probably faked the chineese signs on the stickers but now I guess they its the language from where the company comes from? I was not referring to you.
By reading the old MSN chat we now all know that they are unlicenced accoarding to the info I got back then.
"Nevermind, if you keep being so mind closed it'll be like you were agreeing with what robe said about you wanting to throw shit on this games :S "
No I would like to see photos from both versions of Caltron 6 in 1 to compare not compare them with other look-a-likes I think thats better. I dont throw shit, I think he has a lot of publicity rightnow.
*sigh* I should have just let this die. leaving thread for a while...
Gotta agree....who really gives a sh*t. Its like arguing with a brickwall. You can tell he is one who will argue for no reason at all. Dude should just let Robe sell them and don't buy them if he isn't interested. He is the only one who thinks they are pirates. Plus, he is a blackmailer!!!!
Well Rob can still sell them, right?
I'm not interested, never was but people need to know all.
If its good or bad news, people need to know.
Well I'm certainly not the only person who things its weird.
But a lot of people have trouble reading because I already have been changed 100 times.
I don't think they are pirates I think it's a lot of weirdness going on with this version and it COULD BE a pirate.
i misunderstood then, but i don't think anyone faked the logo... ¿why would any one do so many work just to copy something wich may not have a "trully" copyright? As i told you before i have more megasoft/caltron/ntdec original games, so i can scan their pcbs and compare logos. About comparing caltron 6 in 1 pcbs if some one has that game, please post a pic, although we had to keep in mind that it could exist another revision of that pcb.
p.d gabriel=zikuta and as far as i know he sold his entire gluk collection.
I read through parts and skimmed through the rest. Really, the whole issue of piracy can't be argued whatsoever. People here know that the US 6-in-1s fetch a lot of money, so showing a connection between any one game and those is favored...but the point isn't whether or not these games are connected to those...the point is that, realistically, the software on these 6-in-1s could have been stolen to begin with, regardless of which regional release we're talking about. Who says that NTDEC/Caltron/Megasoft developed these games? It's just been assumed (given the US release and the Gluk releases with copyright info etc, and the info on the titlescreens) since we haven't had any proof to show otherwise.
A few points to consider in this discussion since some questions have arisen:
--Both NTSC Caltron 6in1 variants (black and blue US backlabels) have a physical switch on the back, so that's proof right there that the PCB is NOT the same as Australian/Spanish/Hyper Boy version(s).
--It is clearly stated on the Gluk game boxes that only the packaging was made in Spain, and that the rest was IMPORTED to Spain from Taiwan. A question arose as to why there's an English label underneath...that's obviously because they were shipped this way. These weren't just for the Spanish market, and they've been found elsewhere in Europe with Hyper Boy boxes (well, only 6-in-1 & War in the Gulf). In a matter of fact, jbholio discovered already a couple of years ago that there's different batches of Gluk games...and the later releases & batches don't have an English label anymore, so those with the English label were obviously the first releases to test the market.
--Some Gluk games have black carts because they are NOT from NTDEC/Megasoft/etc. They are Micro Genius/TXC/Idea-Tek games, and just like NTDEC, they also exported their games from Taiwan for different markets. Gluk released some of those, and again, didn't make the carts, only produced the boxes for them. Micro Genius carts without boxes have been found, just like the Hyper Boy NTDEC games, in regions other than Spain.
Anyway, these were just some facts I wanted to throw out there. I think it's pretty simple at this point...we don't know whether the 6-in-1s are pirates, but we DO know that they are connected to other NTDEC/etc releases. So if these are pirates, then all NTDEC "original" software should be considered pirates...and who knows, maybe some day some random company from Taiwan will step forward and show proof that all of this software was stolen from them in the first place.
I'm still wondering about the potential blackmail issue more than anything else, I don't doubt a bit the legitimacy of these carts.
Can you explain this?
Thanks
It was a reference to you sending Robe a message attempting to extort a free copy of this game in return for you silence about the potential piracy issue.
I really don't understand what anyone is arguing or bitching about here. Let's be honest guys, the difference between an unlicensed game or a pirate game is hard to distinguish against. None of us know the actually logistics of who owns the rights to what games or anything. Hell Caltron/Myriad/NTDEC/Megasoft/Gluk are all most likely the same damn company anyways.
This entire thread is about splitting hairs and serves no real purpose IMO. If someone of some company somehow did take the time, energy, and effort to pirate them, then they done a pretty damn good job.
Take Retrozone for instance. They have released some new games they own the rights to, making them an unlicensed game company. BUT they have also released some carts they don't own the rights to (NWC, NCC, etc) so that makes the a pirate company as well. Bottomline who gives a rat ass.
But if rubtux did try to blackmail to get a free cart then that is just shady bullshit.
I really wanted this thread to be an open discussion about these companies (this company)... not the legitimacy of pirate/not pirate. I am a fiend when it comes to the history of unlicensed shit and there just ain't much out there on these guys.
I thought the topic was heading in the right direction in Robe24s' thread, thus why i moved and created a new one (to further discuss the cartridges). I likely should not have posted in my original post how rubtux feels about this, but felt it important to the topic at hand so we could clear stuff up and not get into a bitch-fest.
If it is fine by everyone might we try to stay on topic about this company (companies), understand they made both Pirates and Unlicensed games(for what we know at this time) and keep this thread progressing forward
Another thing I'm personally curious about with regard to these companies...is whether their Caltron cover was used/established before or after setting up the US subsidiary....as some of the Gluk releases have the Caltron copyright on their titlescreens.
I really wanted this thread to be an open discussion about these companies (this company)... not the legitimacy of pirate/not pirate. I am a fiend when it comes to the history of unlicensed shit and there just ain't much out there on these guys.
I thought the topic was heading in the right direction in Robe24s' thread, thus why i moved and created a new one (to further discuss the cartridges). I likely should not have posted in my original post how rubtux feels about this, but felt it important to the topic at hand so we could clear stuff up and not get into a bitch-fest.
If it is fine by everyone might we try to stay on topic about this company (companies), understand they made both Pirates and Unlicensed games(for what we know at this time) and keep this thread progressing forward
Another thing I'm personally curious about with regard to these companies...is whether their Caltron cover was used/established before or after setting up the US subsidiary....as some of the Gluk releases have the Caltron copyright on their titlescreens.
The current new old stock of NTDEC/Conector releases that has been circulating ebay and the forums is very interesting. I have picked up quite a few. I know Monge Cravos has gotten them as well and he lives in Brazil. I would like to hear some input from him, if he is around and if he knows where they were found and under what circumstances.
Robe24 & Piteta,
do you two know where the original owners of your got their copies and if they have any old contact info? If so please feel free to contact me or post it here. It would be a real treat to track down on original distributor of this stuff and talk to them about where it all comes from and if NTDEC still exists somewhere out there...
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p.d it seems both of you didn't see my post on this thread...
edit for replying tuxedocivic: i got them from the same seller. I don't know how many of them he had but may be he still has some copies left
edit 2: rubtux, check my post, you'll see what qixmaster is trying to make you understand
"Caltron/Ntdec/megasoft produced both things: pirated games and unlicensed games, so it's not only an unlicensed company, it's also a pirate company." Ok so it can still be a pirate. If you have 2 identicall games and they both look different 1 of them can be a pirate, right?
"Since the beggining it seems to me you've been trying to say that this copies we're selling are pirate copies" No I have been saying that those copies COULD BE pirate copies, people need to read better...
"and that's why you think we're trying to cheat people" Yet another member who is going to tell me what I think, wow. NO! I never thought you where trying to cheat people how the hell are you supposed to make these carts? I think they are bought with the good attentions if earning a nice buck like we all want.
"until last monday i didn't get the copies i owe" Again something that sounds like he was waiting to get them himself, ofcourse it can be a coinciende ofcourse but so much at this time. Even if they are the real deal why would people want to have it if they popup everywhere? Yours also have the game in plastic without the manual & box?
"no one is producing again this carts. In fact, if some one was doing that it's quite possible that he would use "epoxy ic's" instead of standard eproms." Thats exactly what I've sayed I dont think they are produced now, but back then.
About the photos, the NTDEC photo is helping because it shows like chineese signs on it telling us that they probably faked that as well? Or does one of the companies comes from China/Korea?
From the 2 other games I would like to see a blackstick caltron + "European Version" Caltron large photo that would clear a lot of things up probably. If its the same then it must be real, as noted a lot of times before I'm looking for the truth. Still one thing rightnow is for sure that this version is much less rare then the black sticker to my oppinion.
"Plastic Bag" Well yes lets say some seller have done this Rob can check to see if they are all 100% closed at the same possition? I dont know how they are closed. But to Quote Qixmaster: "i've also seen a Euro box art for the Caltron 6in1, jajaja owns it" So does it excists or not?
"gluk games have no labels on their back" Ok I thought the photo from Braveheart in the other threat showed Gluk games. Gluk is a licenced company, right? So yet another Licenced company that doesnt use the "pirate stickers".
"As i think i said in the other thread and some one has already said in this thread: caltron/Megasoft/Ntdec produced both unlicensed games and pirated games." Ok so do you think they are both Licenced?
rubtux, i will not edit my post. from what i have read and gathered from your opinion my statement is accurate.
If that statement is NOT true then you have a case against me, but seeing that "thinking" and "believing" are very similar and that your facts are based solely on the back label theory then my post is true.
Well then you are a bad admin using your possition to force a direction with something someone havent sayed.
At least your big boss here respects my case
and yes, although they made pirate games, the caltron 6-1 is a UNIQUE game. is that too hard to understand?
I dont think this is solving anything, this is your oppinion and you cannot force people to say what you think. "Is it to hard to understand" is just childish.
Listen buddy, I have all day to reply to you.
"is it too hard to understand" is not childish, it is a question since i know english isn't your first language.
EDIT:
and it is not my opinion, it is a fact. Caltron 6 in 1 is a unique game. This company made both,we have shown evidence of this.
DOUBLE EDIT:
if you have any other questions, send me a PM. I do not have to justify myself to you publicely.
Ah it sounded like a downforce threat like don't you understand? in a bad way.
Sorry for that then I have missred, appologies for that.
I didnt know that we now all of the sudden where talking about weather this game is UNIQUE or not, all games are UNIQUE so I dont think thats an issue.
For your Double Edit: I didnt have questions to you related to the subject.
Don't feel like having to justify yourself, you dont have any reasons to. Just a missunderstanding.
it is not his opinion that Caltron 6in1 is an unique game.. it's a fact
het spel is een zelfgemaakt spel door Caltron, geen hack of kopie van iets anders.. dus een uniek spel (Dutch to explain to rubtux)
All games are, even a hack in its form is UNIQUE
piteta, did you find your copies of 6 in 1 from the same seller? I wonder how many he had in total.
Yes thats a good question.
If I didnt have to fight all people we could all focus on info.
Other Question: If peteta & Rob could tell like the front name of the seller or some part so we dont know who it is. Then other members can check to see if they also bought this game from the same seller.
No my Gluk games don't have labels on the back it's just molded into the back plastic. All those other carts I showed pics of with the same back label sticker were all pirates of different types. I just pulled all of the ones I had with that back label.
Ok thanks for the clear-up!
Thats a lot of games with the same sticker.
"gluk games have no labels on their back" Ok I thought the photo from Braveheart in the other threat showed Gluk games. Gluk is a licenced company, right? So yet another Licenced company that doesnt use the "pirate stickers".
"As i think i said in the other thread and some one has already said in this thread: caltron/Megasoft/Ntdec produced both unlicensed games and pirated games." Ok so do you think they are both Licenced?
Neiter Gluk or Caltron are licensed companies.
we are not saying that caltron is not a pirate company, we're saying is both things: unlicensed company and pirate company. That is proven with my pics.
Rubtux, you can be right and may be i need to read better but i must said that what i said of you was because of the first impression i got from you.
If you don't want to believe that it's a coincidence, then don't believe it. But it's what is it because i didn't know that robe had 6 copies and that he had started to sell them as he sold one. And as i said before this games are not poping everywhere. They've popped now and as soon as i've sold my copy and robe has done the same with his, they won't pop again until who knows when.
And yes, my copies are identical to his. Why? i gave the explanation in my post: the reseller thought it was a waste of money to make a box and placed them in a plastic bag and sealed it "hand made" with standard tape.
My pics are fake? lol
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/piteta/nes/ntdecpcb.jpg
does this one help you? if not i can scan it with other megasoft games i have.
gluk a licensed company? lol Gluk didn't use those stickers because they were the worst (don't know how to say that in english may be it's "they suck
Nevermind, if you keep being so mind closed it'll be like you were agreeing with what robe said about you wanting to throw shit on this games :S
edit: don't think my copies came from the same place than robe's copies because if they were from the same seller he didn't had to get them shipped to his house. And i don't think any one has got copies from any of this two sellers.
*sigh* I should have just let this die. leaving thread for a while...
Gotta agree....who really gives a sh*t. Its like arguing with a brickwall. You can tell he is one who will argue for no reason at all. Dude should just let Robe sell them and don't buy them if he isn't interested. He is the only one who thinks they are pirates. Plus, he is a blackmailer!!!!
Talking About Gluk Games:
Tux: not sure why actually... how did you get yours?
Gabriel: yeah, people now know that they are valuable for international collectors
Gabriel: and is putting some of them on ebay
Tux: so you see them there a lot?
Gabriel: nop
Gabriel: it took me 7 seven years to complete the 18 different games
Tux: whats the story about the games? where have they been sold?
Tux: so you have more then the 6 on ebay?
Gabriel: the 6 on ebay are my dupes
Tux: ah, ok
Gabriel: I have 18 from my personal collection
Tux: understanding, so you collect nes?
Gabriel: yeah
Gabriel: and also snes and gameboy black&white
Tux: ok
Tux: ah can you get me a photo from your caltrons would be nice to see
Tux: and how do you know there are only 18?
Gabriel: I'm not sure, but I don't find any more.
Tux: ok sounds acceptable
Tux: can I get a photo from your 18?
Gabriel: I have them in my parents house, I can send you the photos to this mail
Tux: ok thanks that would be nice
Tux: so whats the story about these games
Tux: are they pirated or real?
Gabriel: They are Unlicensed games.
Tux: ok
Tux: what about the sticker under the games?
Gabriel: Just released here in Spain, under the collection "Gluk Videogames" property of Photopak S.A.
Gabriel: a legit spanish company
Tux: ok
Gabriel: the sticker yeah
Gabriel: Gluk Video sticker is over another sticker with different image and title in english
Gabriel: just as Myriad and Caltron
Tux: yes
Gabriel: The spanish company make the box and new stickers
Gabriel: and also a game
Gabriel: "Gluk the thunder warrior"
Gabriel: All the games (except black ones) have the same Caltron-Miryad style case
Tux: so they got the boxes from a english company?
Gabriel: no
Gabriel: the boxes are full in spanish
Gabriel: the were made in spain
Tux: but why are the titles in english then?
Gabriel: well it's complicated
Tux: ok try to
Gabriel: NTDEC & MegaSoft are Taiwanese companies
Tux: yes
Gabriel: They develop most of Unlicensed games
Gabriel: Then, they sell the copyright to companies around the world
Gabriel: like Caltron in the USA, they made a 6 in 1 cartridge.
Tux: ok and the spanish company used there own stickers over the NTDEC version
Gabriel: yes
Gabriel: and make new boxes
Tux: hmm
Tux: if they made new boxes
Tux: why did they put the english version below it?
Gabriel: the bought the rights to NTDEC-MEGASOFT
Tux: why not a empty box and only there sticker over it?
Gabriel: I don't know, the have to sell the games in Spain
Gabriel: So they make them look more professional than just a sticker
Tux: so they probably sold them in a english talking land as well?
Gabriel: As far as I know
Tux: still a little mistery but thanks for the info, makes things more clear
Gabriel: NTDEC sold games to: Brasil (a company called CGE), USA (Caltron - Myriad) and Spain (Gluk Video)
Tux: ok
Gabriel: Spain got all the games produced by NTDEC-MegaSoft
Gabriel: Spanish collectors (except a few) don't value these games, they treat them as pirates.
Gabriel: The one that are buying them are foreign collectors
Tux: ok... howcome like F15 is black instead of gray?
Gabriel: dont't know
Gabriel: there's also more black games
Tux: like the US F15 is also black (pirated)
Gabriel: Policeman, Puzzle, volleyball, f15, creatom and Gluk the thunder warrior
Gabriel: are also black
Tux: always?
Gabriel: yeah
Gabriel: always
lol
we are not saying that caltron is not a pirate company, we're saying is both things: unlicensed company and pirate company. That is proven with my pics.
Rubtux, you can be right and may be i need to read better but i must said that what i said of you was because of the first impression i got from you.
If you don't want to believe that it's a coincidence, then don't believe it. But it's what is it because i didn't know that robe had 6 copies and that he had started to sell them as he sold one. And as i said before this games are not poping everywhere. They've popped now and as soon as i've sold my copy and robe has done the same with his, they won't pop again until who knows when.
And yes, my copies are identical to his. Why? i gave the explanation in my post: the reseller thought it was a waste of money to make a box and placed them in a plastic bag and sealed it "hand made" with standard tape.
My pics are fake? lol
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/piteta/nes/ntdecpcb.jpg
does this one help you? if not i can scan it with other megasoft games i have.
gluk a licensed company? lol Gluk didn't use those stickers because they were the worst (don't know how to say that in english may be it's "they suck
Nevermind, if you keep being so mind closed it'll be like you were agreeing with what robe said about you wanting to throw shit on this games :S
edit: don't think my copies came from the same place than robe's copies because if they were from the same seller he didn't had to get them shipped to his house. And i don't think any one has got copies from any of this two sellers.
"My pics are fake? lol"
I guess this is a reply on:
"About the photos, the NTDEC photo is helping because it shows like chineese signs on it telling us that they probably faked that as well?"
I was telling that NTDEC probably faked the chineese signs on the stickers but now I guess they its the language from where the company comes from? I was not referring to you.
By reading the old MSN chat we now all know that they are unlicenced accoarding to the info I got back then.
"Nevermind, if you keep being so mind closed it'll be like you were agreeing with what robe said about you wanting to throw shit on this games :S "
No I would like to see photos from both versions of Caltron 6 in 1 to compare not compare them with other look-a-likes I think thats better. I dont throw shit, I think he has a lot of publicity rightnow.
I'm still wondering about the potential blackmail issue more than anything else, I don't doubt a bit the legitimacy of these carts.
Can you explain this?
Thanks
*sigh* I should have just let this die. leaving thread for a while...
Gotta agree....who really gives a sh*t. Its like arguing with a brickwall. You can tell he is one who will argue for no reason at all. Dude should just let Robe sell them and don't buy them if he isn't interested. He is the only one who thinks they are pirates. Plus, he is a blackmailer!!!!
Well Rob can still sell them, right?
I'm not interested, never was but people need to know all.
If its good or bad news, people need to know.
Well I'm certainly not the only person who things its weird.
But a lot of people have trouble reading because I already have been changed 100 times.
I don't think they are pirates I think it's a lot of weirdness going on with this version and it COULD BE a pirate.
What's a Blackmailer?
p.d gabriel=zikuta and as far as i know he sold his entire gluk collection.
Edit: IT'S NOT A PIRATE COPY
This is a link to the scan i did before posting my first post on this thread: http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/piteta/nes/Explorar0017.jpg
A few points to consider in this discussion since some questions have arisen:
--Both NTSC Caltron 6in1 variants (black and blue US backlabels) have a physical switch on the back, so that's proof right there that the PCB is NOT the same as Australian/Spanish/Hyper Boy version(s).
--It is clearly stated on the Gluk game boxes that only the packaging was made in Spain, and that the rest was IMPORTED to Spain from Taiwan. A question arose as to why there's an English label underneath...that's obviously because they were shipped this way. These weren't just for the Spanish market, and they've been found elsewhere in Europe with Hyper Boy boxes (well, only 6-in-1 & War in the Gulf). In a matter of fact, jbholio discovered already a couple of years ago that there's different batches of Gluk games...and the later releases & batches don't have an English label anymore, so those with the English label were obviously the first releases to test the market.
--Some Gluk games have black carts because they are NOT from NTDEC/Megasoft/etc. They are Micro Genius/TXC/Idea-Tek games, and just like NTDEC, they also exported their games from Taiwan for different markets. Gluk released some of those, and again, didn't make the carts, only produced the boxes for them. Micro Genius carts without boxes have been found, just like the Hyper Boy NTDEC games, in regions other than Spain.
Anyway, these were just some facts I wanted to throw out there. I think it's pretty simple at this point...we don't know whether the 6-in-1s are pirates, but we DO know that they are connected to other NTDEC/etc releases. So if these are pirates, then all NTDEC "original" software should be considered pirates...and who knows, maybe some day some random company from Taiwan will step forward and show proof that all of this software was stolen from them in the first place.
The Caltron is obviously legit. It isn't a pirate.
I think if it was a pirate it would look like this
I'm still wondering about the potential blackmail issue more than anything else, I don't doubt a bit the legitimacy of these carts.
Can you explain this?
Thanks
It was a reference to you sending Robe a message attempting to extort a free copy of this game in return for you silence about the potential piracy issue.
This entire thread is about splitting hairs and serves no real purpose IMO. If someone of some company somehow did take the time, energy, and effort to pirate them, then they done a pretty damn good job.
Take Retrozone for instance. They have released some new games they own the rights to, making them an unlicensed game company. BUT they have also released some carts they don't own the rights to (NWC, NCC, etc) so that makes the a pirate company as well. Bottomline who gives a rat ass.
But if rubtux did try to blackmail to get a free cart then that is just shady bullshit.
~~NGD
I thought the topic was heading in the right direction in Robe24s' thread, thus why i moved and created a new one (to further discuss the cartridges). I likely should not have posted in my original post how rubtux feels about this, but felt it important to the topic at hand so we could clear stuff up and not get into a bitch-fest.
If it is fine by everyone might we try to stay on topic about this company (companies), understand they made both Pirates and Unlicensed games(for what we know at this time) and keep this thread progressing forward
http://www.allbusiness.com/technology/computer-software/369895-1.html
Another thing I'm personally curious about with regard to these companies...is whether their Caltron cover was used/established before or after setting up the US subsidiary....as some of the Gluk releases have the Caltron copyright on their titlescreens.
I really wanted this thread to be an open discussion about these companies (this company)... not the legitimacy of pirate/not pirate. I am a fiend when it comes to the history of unlicensed shit and there just ain't much out there on these guys.
I thought the topic was heading in the right direction in Robe24s' thread, thus why i moved and created a new one (to further discuss the cartridges). I likely should not have posted in my original post how rubtux feels about this, but felt it important to the topic at hand so we could clear stuff up and not get into a bitch-fest.
If it is fine by everyone might we try to stay on topic about this company (companies), understand they made both Pirates and Unlicensed games(for what we know at this time) and keep this thread progressing forward
Very well sayed
I tried to find the documents I spoke of earlier in the other thread, but here's a nice article from 1993:
http://www.allbusiness.com/technology/computer-software...
Another thing I'm personally curious about with regard to these companies...is whether their Caltron cover was used/established before or after setting up the US subsidiary....as some of the Gluk releases have the Caltron copyright on their titlescreens.
Nice info!
Robe24 & Piteta,
do you two know where the original owners of your got their copies and if they have any old contact info? If so please feel free to contact me or post it here. It would be a real treat to track down on original distributor of this stuff and talk to them about where it all comes from and if NTDEC still exists somewhere out there...