AVS all day son. Can't wait to get mine. Haven't been this excited in a very long time.
As for the NT, i honestly just cannot see the appeal or logic in spending that much on it. To each their own and i am sure it is worth it to some and that is totally cool.
I just personally don't get it when there are so many other options out there for a fraction of the cost.
Figures there's already a thread on NA about it. To paraphrase a bit...
...the original Analogue NT used salvaged parts from original Famicoms, but the second iteration uses an FPGA programmed by a guy who spent 5000 hours decompiling the system...
I wondered how much these jokers paid to jump in bed with Kevtris? No Famicom slot, $450, HDMI is extra, and still using a machined aluminum shell? For $385, I am getting an AVS and four games sipped to my house sometime next month. Still paid less than this thing costs and I get a stack of games along with. Maybe they could save $200 by dropping the machined aluminum and the AVS would still be cheaper. I hoped they beveled the edges so that it does not scrape carts.
Even if this thing (despite lacking a Famicom port) have more bells and whistles like 1080p scalers and being able to access the system menu with game running, I can't see people justifying paying more than double the amount compared to AVS.
I think they must have gotten a deal for the aluminum, they could easily used pine and saved a lot of money. The cost is deadly for this system since it does not offer any function that you can not buy cheaper. The launch of the first system was perfect timing, this launch has cheaper competition that can do the save for a fraction of the cost.
Price point aside, I would be interested in seeing a side-by-side comparison of certain "troublesome" games like CV3 or others with expansion audio, to see if there are any noticable differences. Kevin and Brian are both incredibly smart and NES-tastic guys...but I'd be curious to see who's FPGA implementation is superior with regards to timing, audio, and overall accuracy.
That being said, I've already ordered an AVS.....so there's also that
The reasons why the AVS can handle MMC5 games are pretty interesting to me. Are things like this, or the implementation of other troublesome mappers, interesting to folks? Outside of a direct play or video type comparison, and more in terms of getting at the technical details behind them?
Price point aside, I would be interested in seeing a side-by-side comparison of certain "troublesome" games like CV3 or others with expansion audio, to see if there are any noticable differences. Kevin and Brian are both incredibly smart and NES-tastic guys...but I'd be curious to see who's FPGA implementation is superior with regards to timing, audio, and overall accuracy.
That being said, I've already ordered an AVS.....so there's also that
The reasons why the AVS can handle MMC5 games are pretty interesting to me. Are things like this, or the implementation of other troublesome mappers, interesting to folks? Outside of a direct play or video type comparison, and more in terms of getting at the technical details behind them?
Problem games for clones are MMC5 (uses some advanced trickery which can sometimes be fixed by adding an inverter to NOAC clones) and 4-way mirroring used in games like Micro Machines, and all GT-ROM homebrew...
Mirroring and the MMC5 thing both stem from certain pins bridged on nearly all carts. The clone hardware lack the correct pinouts to handle these games, and some third party Famicom adapters also wired improperly.
Homebrew games and especially those with flash mappers also cannot dump or emulate on Retron5 / R-Freak because the system does not know how to dump or run the games.
Love my Nt and think this one looks cool. Glad to see they're still producing them so other people who have wanted it will get one now without paying a stupid price. I'm honestly really glad we have competition in the HD NES market, who knows what kind of unique stuff we'll be seeing in the future. Personally I'm getting both.
I'll say it again like I did in my previous thread - those of you who talk about the price and use the "you can do this so much more for less" argument I find it really silly to see that here. I would never spend my money on so many things people buy here - it's just certain peoples cup of tea. It would be different if it didn't deliver a good experience. There's a reason people want them.
I think there's a lot of people biased because they made their choice and are attached to getting an AVS and supporting RetroUSB. I understand standing behind your choices - but let's have an open mind here people. Talking about the price on a forum of video game collectors is kind of a moot point.
I'll say it again like I did in my previous thread - those of you who talk about the price and use the "you can do this so much more for less" argument I find it really silly to see that here. I would never spend my money on so many things people buy here - it's just certain peoples cup of tea. It would be different if it didn't deliver a good experience. There's a reason people want them.
I think there's a difference between collecting stuff that was made awhile back where the march of time and circumstance has resulted in (some) rarity, and something made today that is deliberately limited in production to increase demand and perceived collectability. It's a fine machine and all, but it's not the same thing as, say, a Little Samson, in terms of being a collectable.
I'll say it again like I did in my previous thread - those of you who talk about the price and use the "you can do this so much more for less" argument I find it really silly to see that here. I would never spend my money on so many things people buy here - it's just certain peoples cup of tea. It would be different if it didn't deliver a good experience. There's a reason people want them.
I think there's a difference between collecting stuff that was made awhile back where the march of time and circumstance has resulted in (some) rarity, and something made today that is deliberately limited in production to increase demand and perceived collectability. It's a fine machine and all, but it's not the same thing as, say, a Little Samson, in terms of being a collectable.
Exactly. All the "collectibility" behind this is due to speculation that it was designed as a collectors item.
When LS or Hagane or yellow test carts were created, it wasn't to be "collectible".
I'll say it again like I did in my previous thread - those of you who talk about the price and use the "you can do this so much more for less" argument I find it really silly to see that here. I would never spend my money on so many things people buy here - it's just certain peoples cup of tea. It would be different if it didn't deliver a good experience. There's a reason people want them.
I think there's a difference between collecting stuff that was made awhile back where the march of time and circumstance has resulted in (some) rarity, and something made today that is deliberately limited in production to increase demand and perceived collectability. It's a fine machine and all, but it's not the same thing as, say, a Little Samson, in terms of being a collectable.
Exactly. All the "collectibility" behind this is due to speculation that it was designed as a collectors item.
When LS or Hagane or yellow test carts were created, it wasn't to be "collectible".
I don't really think Analogue advertised the Nt to be a collectible - but it was definitely aimed at collectors. People who couldn't get their hands on one when it was sold out were probably the ones speculating about it's rarity.
I agree that age has everything to do with rarity, but we've entered a new era where products are being aimed at us now. I see the price argument the same as the typical facebook comment "you can do this all for FREE on your computer!!". There's reproductions and homebrews here that are now collectable. Most of them aimed at being a limited run.
Collectors spend their money how they want - some even think the AVS is too much (It's a damn bargain!). As collectors I feel like we should be talking about the pros vs cons rather than the price.
I think there's a lot of people biased because they made their choice and are attached to getting an AVS and supporting RetroUSB. I understand standing behind your choices - but let's have an open mind here people. Talking about the price on a forum of video game collectors is kind of a moot point.
That makes no sense, at all.
Price is a MAJOR point of discussion in a multitude of threads on this (and I'm sure other) video game collecting forums.
Add to that, in this case, we are talking about comparing two similar products (AVS vs NT) so price can be a pretty direct comparison when considering any differences in the features.
It has nothing to do with loyalty to RetroUSB or the AVS to point out that it is shocking for them to release this at $450/unit when the AVS will be $200/unit, when the major technical difference is 720p vs 1080p (and recognizing that to get 1080p they are making more graphical compromises than going with a clean multiple of 240 that yields 720p)
I won't deny that a milled aluminum case looks nice... but it isn't something I'd be remotely close to paying $250 extra, per unit, to have...
(also, pretty sure scoreboard is unique to the AVS)
Their original system had a market at $450 because the AVS was so long in coming.
Now that it's a more level playing field with actual comparable competition, I have a feeling these guys are going to learn the lesson that you can't cost double what a practically identical product costs and still be competitive...
I see the price argument the same as the typical facebook comment "you can do this all for FREE on your computer!!".
That isn't the price argument being made, at all.
The original NT had a more understandable price because the only direct competition was modding an NES to RGB and then using an expensive upscaler.
(i.e. there was a valid price premium to have turn-key 1080p/RGB on a system that played NES games)
Now they have a direct competitor that is offering the same technical capabilities for less than half the price.
That is a situation where price is a valid point of discussion, because as a buyer you want to know what are you getting extra, that justifies the extra $250?
I think there's a lot of people biased because they made their choice and are attached to getting an AVS and supporting RetroUSB. I understand standing behind your choices - but let's have an open mind here people. Talking about the price on a forum of video game collectors is kind of a moot point.
That makes no sense, at all.
Price is a MAJOR point of discussion in a multitude of threads on this (and I'm sure other) video game collecting forums.
Add to that, in this case, we are talking about comparing two similar products (AVS vs NT) so price can be a pretty direct comparison when considering any differences in the features.
It has nothing to do with loyalty to RetroUSB or the AVS to point out that it is shocking for them to release this at $450/unit when the AVS will be $200/unit, when the major technical difference is 720p vs 1080p (and recognizing that to get 1080p they are making more graphical compromises than going with a clean multiple of 240 that yields 720p)
I won't deny that a milled aluminum case looks nice... but it isn't something I'd be remotely close to paying $250 extra, per unit, to have...
(also, pretty sure scoreboard is unique to the AVS)
Their original system had a market at $450 because the AVS was so long in coming.
Now that it's a more level playing field with actual comparable competition, I have a feeling these guys are going to learn the lesson that you can't cost double what a practically identical product costs and still be competitive...
How does it not make sense? I think it is a debatable question, and an issue that is open for argument. But that it's irrelevant and of no importance to those who already bought it or want one. If anything we should be happy that those who wanted one can now get one without paying a really dumb price on eBay. I understand the point of debate about price but it's been done so many times.
As fear as technical differences, you left out that the Nt has the ability to use all the NES/Famicom peripherals (because it can also output composite), as well as the ability to use the Famicom Microphone.
I'll say it again like I did in my previous thread - those of you who talk about the price and use the "you can do this so much more for less" argument I find it really silly to see that here. I would never spend my money on so many things people buy here - it's just certain peoples cup of tea. It would be different if it didn't deliver a good experience. There's a reason people want them.
I think there's a difference between collecting stuff that was made awhile back where the march of time and circumstance has resulted in (some) rarity, and something made today that is deliberately limited in production to increase demand and perceived collectability. It's a fine machine and all, but it's not the same thing as, say, a Little Samson, in terms of being a collectable.
Exactly. All the "collectibility" behind this is due to speculation that it was designed as a collectors item.
When LS or Hagane or yellow test carts were created, it wasn't to be "collectible".
I don't think Leon's talking about this being collectible at all, rather that some people want a zero compromises NES clone and are willing to pay more than what some people think it's worth over an AVS for it. Some people want nice shrink wrap over their Donkey Kong Classics and are willing to pay more than some people think it's worth over a CIB copy. Different strokes.
This doesn't use pillaged parts so they can mass produce as many as they want, unlike their CMVSs and original Nt, I don't see how collectibility comes into this product much.
I wouldn't get it as it's too much, even if they include a controller. So the Analog NT Mini does 1080p instead of 720, has screen filters, and comes with a bad controller (the reciever is good tho). That stuff isn't enough for me to justify costing more than twice as much as a AVS. Besides my tv's upscale all the 720p stuff to 1080p as far as I know anyway. So 1080p ain't that big a deal to me.
How does it not make sense? I think it is a debatable question, and an issue that is open for argument. But that it's irrelevant and of no importance to those who already bought it or want one. If anything we should be happy that those who wanted one can now get one without paying a really dumb price on eBay. I understand the point of debate about price but it's been done so many times.
As fear as technical differences, the Nt has the ability to use all the NES peripherals (because it can also output composite), as well as the ability to use the Famicom Microphone.
How is price not relevant or important to somebody that WANTS to buy something, when there are much better priced VALID alternatives to compare it against?
Ok, so the technical upside to the NT is:
1) it can use the zapper IF you choose to use it like a regular NES via composite (i.e. something you can currently do with your existing hardware)
and
2) it can use the Famicom microphone
Whereas the technical upside to the AVS is:
1) Scoreboard support
2) I'm willing to bet Brian designed a better controller than what I've read lately about that 8bitdo controller
I'll leave it to individual buyers to decide if that is worth $250 additional, or not.
But I think it is an absurdist stance to try and claim that price comparisons between competing (VERY SIMILAR) products are not relevant.
These guys should have ditched the milled aluminum and given themselves probably $150 of breathing room to be more competitive if they didn't expect this to be the main point of discussion.
This doesn't use pillaged parts so they can mass produce as many as they want, unlike their CMVSs and original Nt, I don't see how collectibility comes into this product much.
Leon was referencing previous discussions on the Analogue NT that came about before this product was announced. It was pretty clear that even though it wasn't advertised, it was designed to be a collectable item.
This doesn't use pillaged parts so they can mass produce as many as they want, unlike their CMVSs and original Nt, I don't see how collectibility comes into this product much.
Leon was referencing previous discussions on the Analogue NT that came about before this product was announced. It was pretty clear that even though it wasn't advertised, it was designed to be a collectable item.
Yeah I was talking about the original. Leon (I think)even made a thread a while ago specualting on how the original NT was going to be a super hot collectible item.
True, collectibility for the mini won't be an issue, (especially if they are not super limitied like the original) if anything it will decrease the need for the original due to the fact that those in the market for the original will now just pick up a mini.
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
How does it not make sense? I think it is a debatable question, and an issue that is open for argument. But that it's irrelevant and of no importance to those who already bought it or want one. If anything we should be happy that those who wanted one can now get one without paying a really dumb price on eBay. I understand the point of debate about price but it's been done so many times.
As fear as technical differences, the Nt has the ability to use all the NES peripherals (because it can also output composite), as well as the ability to use the Famicom Microphone.
How is price not relevant or important to somebody that WANTS to buy something, when there are much better priced VALID alternatives to compare it against?
I'm not being absurd... At this point the price isn't relevant to those who want it - they've been watching eBay and the prices have been ridiculous and have not been going down. Now they have the opportunity to get one at a cheaper price than what was originally offered. Yeah there's an alternative but "better" options are clearly based on the kind of person is buying the product. Some people like the look of the Nt and are obsessed about it's technical features. That's all people need for justification to pay more.
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
Why wouldn't you just have your actual NES hooked up via composite to a CRT?
I would have thought the only reason anybody is being EITHER system (NT or AVS) is to use HDMI on a modern TV, while their original is hooked up to a CRT for when you want the classic experience.
Is analog going to come out of the vga port next to the hdmi port? As far as them releasing this who cares it's great to have choices. I could care less if someone wants to pay $450 for this rather than an AVS. People spend cash on all sorts of things I don't agree with in this hobby. In the end it's whatever the individual collector wants.
This doesn't use pillaged parts so they can mass produce as many as they want, unlike their CMVSs and original Nt, I don't see how collectibility comes into this product much.
Leon was referencing previous discussions on the Analogue NT that came about before this product was announced. It was pretty clear that even though it wasn't advertised, it was designed to be a collectable item.
Yeah I was talking about the original. Leon (I think)even made a thread a while ago specualting on how the original NT was going to be a super hot collectible item.
Meh, I'll just keep my toaster hooked up to the tube TV in my room, be able to play light gun and ROB games, and put the AVS on my HD TV. You can keep the 1080x and aluminum case.
How does it not make sense? I think it is a debatable question, and an issue that is open for argument. But that it's irrelevant and of no importance to those who already bought it or want one. If anything we should be happy that those who wanted one can now get one without paying a really dumb price on eBay. I understand the point of debate about price but it's been done so many times.
As fear as technical differences, the Nt has the ability to use all the NES peripherals (because it can also output composite), as well as the ability to use the Famicom Microphone.
How is price not relevant or important to somebody that WANTS to buy something, when there are much better priced VALID alternatives to compare it against?
I'm not being absurd... At this point the price isn't relevant to those who want it - they've been watching eBay and the prices have been ridiculous and have not been going down. Now they have the opportunity to get one at a cheaper price than what was originally offered. Yeah there's an alternative but "better" options are clearly based on the kind of person is buying the product. Some people like the look of the Nt and are obsessed about it's technical features. That's all people need for justification to pay more.
I think you are being completely absurd if you don't think price comparisons matter when we're looking at the options for HDMI support on a new-manufacture system that plays NES (i.e. AVS or NT)
Yes, it is going to be cheaper than getting an original NT off of ebay.
But anybody paying those prices has more money than sense, IMO.
But it's more than double the price of the competition, and it's completely valid to flesh out the discussion as to WHY it is more than double the price.
From a manufacturing perspective I suspect that the vast majority of the price difference is a fixed cost on their end for the aluminum case.
I think we would be having a completely different discussion if they'd ditched the milled aluminum and debuted the system at $300 instead of $450.
This doesn't use pillaged parts so they can mass produce as many as they want, unlike their CMVSs and original Nt, I don't see how collectibility comes into this product much.
Leon was referencing previous discussions on the Analogue NT that came about before this product was announced. It was pretty clear that even though it wasn't advertised, it was designed to be a collectable item.
Yeah I was talking about the original. Leon (I think)even made a thread a while ago specualting on how the original NT was going to be a super hot collectible item.
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As for the NT, i honestly just cannot see the appeal or logic in spending that much on it. To each their own and i am sure it is worth it to some and that is totally cool.
I just personally don't get it when there are so many other options out there for a fraction of the cost.
Deal breaker.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/analogue-nes-remake-ditches-famicom-190411741.html
Figures there's already a thread on NA about it. To paraphrase a bit...
...the original Analogue NT used salvaged parts from original Famicoms, but the second iteration uses an FPGA programmed by a guy who spent 5000 hours decompiling the system...
I wondered how much these jokers paid to jump in bed with Kevtris? No Famicom slot, $450, HDMI is extra, and still using a machined aluminum shell? For $385, I am getting an AVS and four games sipped to my house sometime next month. Still paid less than this thing costs and I get a stack of games along with. Maybe they could save $200 by dropping the machined aluminum and the AVS would still be cheaper. I hoped they beveled the edges so that it does not scrape carts.
Even if this thing (despite lacking a Famicom port) have more bells and whistles like 1080p scalers and being able to access the system menu with game running, I can't see people justifying paying more than double the amount compared to AVS.
Originally posted by: Retrostage
Price point aside, I would be interested in seeing a side-by-side comparison of certain "troublesome" games like CV3 or others with expansion audio, to see if there are any noticable differences. Kevin and Brian are both incredibly smart and NES-tastic guys...but I'd be curious to see who's FPGA implementation is superior with regards to timing, audio, and overall accuracy.
That being said, I've already ordered an AVS.....so there's also that
The reasons why the AVS can handle MMC5 games are pretty interesting to me. Are things like this, or the implementation of other troublesome mappers, interesting to folks? Outside of a direct play or video type comparison, and more in terms of getting at the technical details behind them?
Price point aside, I would be interested in seeing a side-by-side comparison of certain "troublesome" games like CV3 or others with expansion audio, to see if there are any noticable differences. Kevin and Brian are both incredibly smart and NES-tastic guys...but I'd be curious to see who's FPGA implementation is superior with regards to timing, audio, and overall accuracy.
That being said, I've already ordered an AVS.....so there's also that
The reasons why the AVS can handle MMC5 games are pretty interesting to me. Are things like this, or the implementation of other troublesome mappers, interesting to folks? Outside of a direct play or video type comparison, and more in terms of getting at the technical details behind them?
Problem games for clones are MMC5 (uses some advanced trickery which can sometimes be fixed by adding an inverter to NOAC clones) and 4-way mirroring used in games like Micro Machines, and all GT-ROM homebrew...
Mirroring and the MMC5 thing both stem from certain pins bridged on nearly all carts. The clone hardware lack the correct pinouts to handle these games, and some third party Famicom adapters also wired improperly.
Homebrew games and especially those with flash mappers also cannot dump or emulate on Retron5 / R-Freak because the system does not know how to dump or run the games.
I'll say it again like I did in my previous thread - those of you who talk about the price and use the "you can do this so much more for less" argument I find it really silly to see that here. I would never spend my money on so many things people buy here - it's just certain peoples cup of tea. It would be different if it didn't deliver a good experience. There's a reason people want them.
I think there's a lot of people biased because they made their choice and are attached to getting an AVS and supporting RetroUSB. I understand standing behind your choices - but let's have an open mind here people. Talking about the price on a forum of video game collectors is kind of a moot point.
No Famicom slot
Of course it has a Famicom slot.
Originally posted by: Leon
Talking about the price on a forum of video game collectors is kind of a moot point.
I the NT people started it by comparing it to the upcoming mini NES, and also the AVS.
Originally posted by: Malachi Constant
Originally posted by: Kosmic StarDust
No Famicom slot
Of course it has a Famicom slot.
Yep, both slots are clearly shown in the pics.
I'll say it again like I did in my previous thread - those of you who talk about the price and use the "you can do this so much more for less" argument I find it really silly to see that here. I would never spend my money on so many things people buy here - it's just certain peoples cup of tea. It would be different if it didn't deliver a good experience. There's a reason people want them.
I think there's a difference between collecting stuff that was made awhile back where the march of time and circumstance has resulted in (some) rarity, and something made today that is deliberately limited in production to increase demand and perceived collectability. It's a fine machine and all, but it's not the same thing as, say, a Little Samson, in terms of being a collectable.
I'll say it again like I did in my previous thread - those of you who talk about the price and use the "you can do this so much more for less" argument I find it really silly to see that here. I would never spend my money on so many things people buy here - it's just certain peoples cup of tea. It would be different if it didn't deliver a good experience. There's a reason people want them.
I think there's a difference between collecting stuff that was made awhile back where the march of time and circumstance has resulted in (some) rarity, and something made today that is deliberately limited in production to increase demand and perceived collectability. It's a fine machine and all, but it's not the same thing as, say, a Little Samson, in terms of being a collectable.
Exactly. All the "collectibility" behind this is due to speculation that it was designed as a collectors item.
When LS or Hagane or yellow test carts were created, it wasn't to be "collectible".
I'll say it again like I did in my previous thread - those of you who talk about the price and use the "you can do this so much more for less" argument I find it really silly to see that here. I would never spend my money on so many things people buy here - it's just certain peoples cup of tea. It would be different if it didn't deliver a good experience. There's a reason people want them.
I think there's a difference between collecting stuff that was made awhile back where the march of time and circumstance has resulted in (some) rarity, and something made today that is deliberately limited in production to increase demand and perceived collectability. It's a fine machine and all, but it's not the same thing as, say, a Little Samson, in terms of being a collectable.
Exactly. All the "collectibility" behind this is due to speculation that it was designed as a collectors item.
When LS or Hagane or yellow test carts were created, it wasn't to be "collectible".
I don't really think Analogue advertised the Nt to be a collectible - but it was definitely aimed at collectors. People who couldn't get their hands on one when it was sold out were probably the ones speculating about it's rarity.
I agree that age has everything to do with rarity, but we've entered a new era where products are being aimed at us now. I see the price argument the same as the typical facebook comment "you can do this all for FREE on your computer!!". There's reproductions and homebrews here that are now collectable. Most of them aimed at being a limited run.
Collectors spend their money how they want - some even think the AVS is too much (It's a damn bargain!). As collectors I feel like we should be talking about the pros vs cons rather than the price.
I think there's a lot of people biased because they made their choice and are attached to getting an AVS and supporting RetroUSB. I understand standing behind your choices - but let's have an open mind here people. Talking about the price on a forum of video game collectors is kind of a moot point.
That makes no sense, at all.
Price is a MAJOR point of discussion in a multitude of threads on this (and I'm sure other) video game collecting forums.
Add to that, in this case, we are talking about comparing two similar products (AVS vs NT) so price can be a pretty direct comparison when considering any differences in the features.
It has nothing to do with loyalty to RetroUSB or the AVS to point out that it is shocking for them to release this at $450/unit when the AVS will be $200/unit, when the major technical difference is 720p vs 1080p (and recognizing that to get 1080p they are making more graphical compromises than going with a clean multiple of 240 that yields 720p)
I won't deny that a milled aluminum case looks nice... but it isn't something I'd be remotely close to paying $250 extra, per unit, to have...
(also, pretty sure scoreboard is unique to the AVS)
Their original system had a market at $450 because the AVS was so long in coming.
Now that it's a more level playing field with actual comparable competition, I have a feeling these guys are going to learn the lesson that you can't cost double what a practically identical product costs and still be competitive...
I see the price argument the same as the typical facebook comment "you can do this all for FREE on your computer!!".
That isn't the price argument being made, at all.
The original NT had a more understandable price because the only direct competition was modding an NES to RGB and then using an expensive upscaler.
(i.e. there was a valid price premium to have turn-key 1080p/RGB on a system that played NES games)
Now they have a direct competitor that is offering the same technical capabilities for less than half the price.
That is a situation where price is a valid point of discussion, because as a buyer you want to know what are you getting extra, that justifies the extra $250?
I think there's a lot of people biased because they made their choice and are attached to getting an AVS and supporting RetroUSB. I understand standing behind your choices - but let's have an open mind here people. Talking about the price on a forum of video game collectors is kind of a moot point.
That makes no sense, at all.
Price is a MAJOR point of discussion in a multitude of threads on this (and I'm sure other) video game collecting forums.
Add to that, in this case, we are talking about comparing two similar products (AVS vs NT) so price can be a pretty direct comparison when considering any differences in the features.
It has nothing to do with loyalty to RetroUSB or the AVS to point out that it is shocking for them to release this at $450/unit when the AVS will be $200/unit, when the major technical difference is 720p vs 1080p (and recognizing that to get 1080p they are making more graphical compromises than going with a clean multiple of 240 that yields 720p)
I won't deny that a milled aluminum case looks nice... but it isn't something I'd be remotely close to paying $250 extra, per unit, to have...
(also, pretty sure scoreboard is unique to the AVS)
Their original system had a market at $450 because the AVS was so long in coming.
Now that it's a more level playing field with actual comparable competition, I have a feeling these guys are going to learn the lesson that you can't cost double what a practically identical product costs and still be competitive...
How does it not make sense? I think it is a debatable question, and an issue that is open for argument. But that it's irrelevant and of no importance to those who already bought it or want one. If anything we should be happy that those who wanted one can now get one without paying a really dumb price on eBay. I understand the point of debate about price but it's been done so many times.
As fear as technical differences, you left out that the Nt has the ability to use all the NES/Famicom peripherals (because it can also output composite), as well as the ability to use the Famicom Microphone.
I'll say it again like I did in my previous thread - those of you who talk about the price and use the "you can do this so much more for less" argument I find it really silly to see that here. I would never spend my money on so many things people buy here - it's just certain peoples cup of tea. It would be different if it didn't deliver a good experience. There's a reason people want them.
I think there's a difference between collecting stuff that was made awhile back where the march of time and circumstance has resulted in (some) rarity, and something made today that is deliberately limited in production to increase demand and perceived collectability. It's a fine machine and all, but it's not the same thing as, say, a Little Samson, in terms of being a collectable.
Exactly. All the "collectibility" behind this is due to speculation that it was designed as a collectors item.
When LS or Hagane or yellow test carts were created, it wasn't to be "collectible".
I don't think Leon's talking about this being collectible at all, rather that some people want a zero compromises NES clone and are willing to pay more than what some people think it's worth over an AVS for it. Some people want nice shrink wrap over their Donkey Kong Classics and are willing to pay more than some people think it's worth over a CIB copy. Different strokes.
This doesn't use pillaged parts so they can mass produce as many as they want, unlike their CMVSs and original Nt, I don't see how collectibility comes into this product much.
How does it not make sense? I think it is a debatable question, and an issue that is open for argument. But that it's irrelevant and of no importance to those who already bought it or want one. If anything we should be happy that those who wanted one can now get one without paying a really dumb price on eBay. I understand the point of debate about price but it's been done so many times.
As fear as technical differences, the Nt has the ability to use all the NES peripherals (because it can also output composite), as well as the ability to use the Famicom Microphone.
How is price not relevant or important to somebody that WANTS to buy something, when there are much better priced VALID alternatives to compare it against?
Ok, so the technical upside to the NT is:
1) it can use the zapper IF you choose to use it like a regular NES via composite (i.e. something you can currently do with your existing hardware)
and
2) it can use the Famicom microphone
Whereas the technical upside to the AVS is:
1) Scoreboard support
2) I'm willing to bet Brian designed a better controller than what I've read lately about that 8bitdo controller
I'll leave it to individual buyers to decide if that is worth $250 additional, or not.
But I think it is an absurdist stance to try and claim that price comparisons between competing (VERY SIMILAR) products are not relevant.
These guys should have ditched the milled aluminum and given themselves probably $150 of breathing room to be more competitive if they didn't expect this to be the main point of discussion.
This doesn't use pillaged parts so they can mass produce as many as they want, unlike their CMVSs and original Nt, I don't see how collectibility comes into this product much.
Leon was referencing previous discussions on the Analogue NT that came about before this product was announced. It was pretty clear that even though it wasn't advertised, it was designed to be a collectable item.
This doesn't use pillaged parts so they can mass produce as many as they want, unlike their CMVSs and original Nt, I don't see how collectibility comes into this product much.
Leon was referencing previous discussions on the Analogue NT that came about before this product was announced. It was pretty clear that even though it wasn't advertised, it was designed to be a collectable item.
Yeah I was talking about the original. Leon (I think)even made a thread a while ago specualting on how the original NT was going to be a super hot collectible item.
True, collectibility for the mini won't be an issue, (especially if they are not super limitied like the original) if anything it will decrease the need for the original due to the fact that those in the market for the original will now just pick up a mini.
How does it not make sense? I think it is a debatable question, and an issue that is open for argument. But that it's irrelevant and of no importance to those who already bought it or want one. If anything we should be happy that those who wanted one can now get one without paying a really dumb price on eBay. I understand the point of debate about price but it's been done so many times.
As fear as technical differences, the Nt has the ability to use all the NES peripherals (because it can also output composite), as well as the ability to use the Famicom Microphone.
How is price not relevant or important to somebody that WANTS to buy something, when there are much better priced VALID alternatives to compare it against?
I'm not being absurd... At this point the price isn't relevant to those who want it - they've been watching eBay and the prices have been ridiculous and have not been going down. Now they have the opportunity to get one at a cheaper price than what was originally offered. Yeah there's an alternative but "better" options are clearly based on the kind of person is buying the product. Some people like the look of the Nt and are obsessed about it's technical features. That's all people need for justification to pay more.
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
Why wouldn't you just have your actual NES hooked up via composite to a CRT?
I would have thought the only reason anybody is being EITHER system (NT or AVS) is to use HDMI on a modern TV, while their original is hooked up to a CRT for when you want the classic experience.
No Famicom slot
Of course it has a Famicom slot.
Yep, both slots are clearly shown in the pics.
Is analog going to come out of the vga port next to the hdmi port? As far as them releasing this who cares it's great to have choices. I could care less if someone wants to pay $450 for this rather than an AVS. People spend cash on all sorts of things I don't agree with in this hobby. In the end it's whatever the individual collector wants.
This doesn't use pillaged parts so they can mass produce as many as they want, unlike their CMVSs and original Nt, I don't see how collectibility comes into this product much.
Leon was referencing previous discussions on the Analogue NT that came about before this product was announced. It was pretty clear that even though it wasn't advertised, it was designed to be a collectable item.
Yeah I was talking about the original. Leon (I think)even made a thread a while ago specualting on how the original NT was going to be a super hot collectible item.
I never created a thread speculating about price, that guy was clearly trying to promote his auction in the end. I did create a thread about my Nt experience though. It was a wild ride.
How does it not make sense? I think it is a debatable question, and an issue that is open for argument. But that it's irrelevant and of no importance to those who already bought it or want one. If anything we should be happy that those who wanted one can now get one without paying a really dumb price on eBay. I understand the point of debate about price but it's been done so many times.
As fear as technical differences, the Nt has the ability to use all the NES peripherals (because it can also output composite), as well as the ability to use the Famicom Microphone.
How is price not relevant or important to somebody that WANTS to buy something, when there are much better priced VALID alternatives to compare it against?
I'm not being absurd... At this point the price isn't relevant to those who want it - they've been watching eBay and the prices have been ridiculous and have not been going down. Now they have the opportunity to get one at a cheaper price than what was originally offered. Yeah there's an alternative but "better" options are clearly based on the kind of person is buying the product. Some people like the look of the Nt and are obsessed about it's technical features. That's all people need for justification to pay more.
I think you are being completely absurd if you don't think price comparisons matter when we're looking at the options for HDMI support on a new-manufacture system that plays NES (i.e. AVS or NT)
Yes, it is going to be cheaper than getting an original NT off of ebay.
But anybody paying those prices has more money than sense, IMO.
But it's more than double the price of the competition, and it's completely valid to flesh out the discussion as to WHY it is more than double the price.
From a manufacturing perspective I suspect that the vast majority of the price difference is a fixed cost on their end for the aluminum case.
I think we would be having a completely different discussion if they'd ditched the milled aluminum and debuted the system at $300 instead of $450.
This doesn't use pillaged parts so they can mass produce as many as they want, unlike their CMVSs and original Nt, I don't see how collectibility comes into this product much.
Leon was referencing previous discussions on the Analogue NT that came about before this product was announced. It was pretty clear that even though it wasn't advertised, it was designed to be a collectable item.
Yeah I was talking about the original. Leon (I think)even made a thread a while ago specualting on how the original NT was going to be a super hot collectible item.
I never created a thread speculating about price, that guy was clearly trying to promote his auction in the end. I did create a thread about my Nt experience though. It was a wild ride.
I stand corrected.