How does it not make sense? I think it is a debatable question, and an issue that is open for argument. But that it's irrelevant and of no importance to those who already bought it or want one. If anything we should be happy that those who wanted one can now get one without paying a really dumb price on eBay. I understand the point of debate about price but it's been done so many times.
As fear as technical differences, the Nt has the ability to use all the NES peripherals (because it can also output composite), as well as the ability to use the Famicom Microphone.
How is price not relevant or important to somebody that WANTS to buy something, when there are much better priced VALID alternatives to compare it against?
I'm not being absurd... At this point the price isn't relevant to those who want it - they've been watching eBay and the prices have been ridiculous and have not been going down. Now they have the opportunity to get one at a cheaper price than what was originally offered. Yeah there's an alternative but "better" options are clearly based on the kind of person is buying the product. Some people like the look of the Nt and are obsessed about it's technical features. That's all people need for justification to pay more.
I think you are being completely absurd if you don't think price comparisons matter when we're looking at the options for HDMI support on a new-manufacture system that plays NES (i.e. AVS or NT)
Yes, it is going to be cheaper than getting an original NT off of ebay.
But anybody paying those prices has more money than sense, IMO.
But it's more than double the price of the competition, and it's completely valid to flesh out the discussion as to WHY it is more than double the price.
From a manufacturing perspective I suspect that the vast majority of the price difference is a fixed cost on their end for the aluminum case.
I think we would be having a completely different discussion if they'd ditched the milled aluminum and debuted the system at $300 instead of $450.
What I'm saying is the price comparisons don't matter to those who want one at this point. It's different enough from the AVS for them to justify spending more money.
People have a fashion sense, and they're willing to spend more money for something of higher quality. It's about the same for every product out there.
What I'm saying is the price comparisons don't matter to those who want one at this point. It's different enough from the AVS for them to justify spending more money.
People have a fashion sense, and they're willing to spend more money for something of higher quality. It's about the same for every product out there.
To each his own, clearly, but you come off as way too much of an apologist for their price point selection.
(I think it is also pretty easily disputed whether either product is of distinctly higher quality than the other -- there are one or two features that differ on each system, and either system could have a edge in that department depending on what matters to you -- i.e. Scoreboard support is the clear "killer app" IMO, all else being approximately equal)
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
Why wouldn't you just have your actual NES hooked up via composite to a CRT?
I would have thought the only reason anybody is being EITHER system (NT or AVS) is to use HDMI on a modern TV, while their original is hooked up to a CRT for when you want the classic experience.
You failed to highlight the RGB/S-Video part of that statement.
If you think that having all of those other outputs on the back of the NT Mini isn't a big selling point you are incorrect.
It seems you just want to argue against people purchasing the NT Mini.
I wouldn't use composite unless I had to, my main CRT I use, a Commodore 1702 monitor, takes chroma/luma so I'd use S-Video, when I get a PVM I'll use RGB, when I want it hooked up to my HD tv I'd use the HDMI. When I bring a NES console anywhere, a friend's house, family member's house, when I travel I can bring the Analogue Mini and know that I can hook up to anything. That is Awesome. The AVS is sweet too, seems that people around here are fanboying over it too much to the point they have to shout down anyone who want to purchase an alternative.
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
Why wouldn't you just have your actual NES hooked up via composite to a CRT?
I would have thought the only reason anybody is being EITHER system (NT or AVS) is to use HDMI on a modern TV, while their original is hooked up to a CRT for when you want the classic experience.
You failed to highlight the RGB/S-Video part of that statement.
If you think that having all of those other outputs on the back of the NT Mini isn't a big selling point you are incorrect.
It seems you just want to argue against people purchasing the NT Mini.
I wouldn't use composite unless I had to, my main monitor I use, a Commodore 1702, takes chroma/luma so I'd use S-Video, when I get a PVM I'll use RGB, when I want it hooked up to my HD tv I'd use the HDMI. When I bring a NES console anywhere, a friend's house, family member's house, when I travel I can bring the Analouge and know that I can hook up to anything. That is Awesome. The AVS is sweet too, seems that people around here are fanboying over it too much to the point they have to shout down anyone who want to purchase an alternative.
*THIS*
I just recently sold my Analogue NT with RGB for $850 because I knew the AVS was coming out and would probably drop them in price. Took the profits and bought an AV Famicom that was RGB modded.
Honestly regretting it now! I think this is a nice deal. If you only want HDMI then by all means the Retro AVS is probably the way to go. But for hardcore display nerds like myself this Mini is the best of both worlds as my wife and I can still drunkienly play Duck Hunt with it, and it has 1080p HDMI. Is it worth the extra price? To me it is. But maybe not to everybody. I just shelled out $280 for an RGB Modded AV Famicom so it's not that much more.
They're both fantastic products and I'm glad we have options. Bunnyboy and Kevtris thank you guys, you kick ass!
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
Why wouldn't you just have your actual NES hooked up via composite to a CRT?
I would have thought the only reason anybody is being EITHER system (NT or AVS) is to use HDMI on a modern TV, while their original is hooked up to a CRT for when you want the classic experience.
You failed to highlight the RGB/S-Video part of that statement.
If you think that having all of those other outputs on the back of the NT Mini isn't a big selling point you are incorrect.
I didn't highlight the RGB/S-video part because I didn't think it was relevant.
(i.e. composite NES gives you all the CRT compatibility you really need for zapper use, and HDMI is the go-to for using a modern TV with the lowest possible latency -- RGB/S-video dont' solve much in either space)
Yes, that gives you more "nice screen" options than composite NES, but it DOESN'T give you Zapper compatibility, that I know of.
You're vocal enough about it that I guess some people care about it, though.
EDIT to add: and my initial reason for posting was that I really disagree with Leon's stance that price isn't a relevant part of the discussion.
If there are differences in the technical merits of the two systems, that is worth discussing IN PARALLEL with the price difference between the two systems to make a valid comparison.
They don't exist in a vacuum that is free from competition or comparative products, so there is some price point where something like those extra video outputs go from "worth the cost" to "would have been nice to have, but too expensive".
This is great, it's like the console wars all over but this time it's NES vs. NES.
The Analogue Nt controller ports aren't spaced correctly so you can't use a Four Score or Satellite. Is that really 100% peripheral compatibility? Fight fight fight.
The Analogue Nt controller ports aren't spaced correctly so you can't use a Four Score or Satellite. Is that really 100% peripheral compatibility? Fight fight fight.
The Analogue Nt controller ports aren't spaced correctly so you can't use a Four Score or Satellite. Is that really 100% peripheral compatibility? Fight fight fight.
That's an interesting point, if true.
Are you being facetious?
I am both being facetious and honest. I always use a Four Score as an extender and turbo-adder but the original Nt controller ports aren't the same spacing as the NES. It's one of my quibbles with the thing, I honestly hope they fix it for this one. Surely someone other than me loves the Four Score as much as I do.
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
Why wouldn't you just have your actual NES hooked up via composite to a CRT?
I would have thought the only reason anybody is being EITHER system (NT or AVS) is to use HDMI on a modern TV, while their original is hooked up to a CRT for when you want the classic experience.
You failed to highlight the RGB/S-Video part of that statement.
If you think that having all of those other outputs on the back of the NT Mini isn't a big selling point you are incorrect.
I didn't highlight the RGB/S-video part because I didn't think it was relevant.
(i.e. composite NES gives you all the CRT compatibility you really need for zapper use, and HDMI is the go-to for using a modern TV with the lowest possible latency -- RGB/S-video dont' solve much in either space)
Yes, that gives you more "nice screen" options than composite NES,but it DOESN'T give you Zapper compatibility, that I know of.
You're vocal enough about it that I guess some people care about it, though.
RGB and S-Video look so much better than Composite on a CRT it's not even funny. Once you go down that road you will never go back. I personally can't speak to light gun games working with RGB/S-Video but it looks like they work just fine.
Straight from Retro RGB's Youtube channel:
"I often get emailed the question: "Will light guns games work on an RGB monitor?" The answer is yes, absolutely! They'll work with all inputs: Composite, S-Video and RGB.
This video shows the arcade (PlayChoice-10) version of Duck Hunt on my RGB-modded NES, playing on my Sony PVM-20M2U RGB monitor. I shot it using my iPad, so please excuse the poor video quality. "
The Analogue Nt controller ports aren't spaced correctly so you can't use a Four Score or Satellite. Is that really 100% peripheral compatibility? Fight fight fight.
That's an interesting point, if true.
Are you being facetious?
I am both being facetious and honest. I always use a Four Score as an extender and turbo-adder but the original Nt controller ports aren't the same spacing as the NES. It's one of my quibbles with the thing, I honestly hope they fix it for this one. Surely someone other than me loves the Four Score as much as I do.
It's mandatory for 2-player Smash TV. (also 4-player Swords and Serpents is more fun that you might expect)
"I often get emailed the question: "Will light guns games work on an RGB monitor?" The answer is yes, absolutely! They'll work with all inputs: Composite, S-Video and RGB.
This video shows the arcade (PlayChoice-10) version of Duck Hunt on my RGB-modded NES, playing on my Sony PVM-20M2U RGB monitor. I shot it using my iPad, so please excuse the poor video quality. "
That's interesting, though I guess I should have expected that SOME era of RGB-based-monitor would work, since there are PC10 machines that support light guns.
That said, I should have better stated my point that the outcome of that support is going to be highly dependent on the actual TV/monitor, since I was pretty sure there were "HD" CRT tv's out there from late in the CRT TV lifecycle that don't support light guns due to a couple of reasons that don't readily come to mind.
So yes, if you have a vintage-era RGB-based-monitor, then it sounds like it probably works.
(not that the handful of zapper games are a selling point to me, currently, though if Roth finishes up his zapper+dungeon-crawl, I'll revisit it )
Gotta admit, I always liked the toploader NES better than the front loader. It still ain't worth what they're charging tho. LOL at the gold plated 10k version. And people are trying to say they're not greedy.
7 NT's for sale and the newest one's auction starts at over two grand with a BIN at over five grand, i dunno if anyone would bite with the announced mini but the prices are highway robbery.
7 NT's for sale and the newest one's auction starts at over two grand with a BIN at over five grand, i dunno if anyone would bite with the announced mini but the prices are highway robbery.
They aren't highway robbery, more like buyer stupidity. I don't know why sellers continue to be blamed for the idiocy of the people in this hobby, it makes no sense, it's not like people are being forced at gunpoint to make these purchases.
.... The $155 extra for the special edition AVS gets you a custom storage box, flash drive, velvet bag, and history book. These are nice extras for collectors, so again, it's up to the individual.
.... The $155 extra for the special edition AVS gets you a custom storage box, flash drive, velvet bag, and history book. These are nice extras for collectors, so again, it's up to the individual.
.... The $155 extra for the special edition AVS gets you a custom storage box, flash drive, velvet bag, and history book. These are nice extras for collectors, so again, it's up to the individual.
I'm not sure why people are so upset over higher priced special editions or boutique items. The great thing about now is that we have options, something not exactly true a year ago. Other than "Frankensteining" together mods, there were only inelegant alternatives. We had the Retron 5 and the original expensive Analogue NT.
The Analogue NT mini and the AVS give enthusiasts and collectors a choice. We can decide cost/benefit ratio. I'm sure both companies will sell enough to turn a profit, so who cares. I'm happy for them both. I bought a first edition Analogue NT and preordered the AVS. Can't wait to try to get good enough to compete on Scoreboard!
I don't think it's fair to criticize one's buying choices. Calling people who like the features of the Analogue Mini "price apologists" is simply unjustified. It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Also using the artificial scarcity argument is an attack on any limited run product, which we see quite a few of in this hobby. For example, is it fair to tell someone that $650 for a limited edition AVS with extras is not worthy? I went with the $185 model and a launch game, but that doesn't mean I would scoff at someone who saw $465 in value for the other package. I wish I had the money right now for the limited edition AVS! My Christmas carts could shine right through the clear case
"For those who enjoy geeking out on the component side of things, the Nt is also the only NES console currently on the market using original NES parts -- the Ricoh 20A3 CPU and Ricoh 2C02 PPU. Where did the company get its hands on OEM components from Japan?" "Frankensteining"
"For those who enjoy geeking out on the component side of things, the Nt is also the only NES console currently on the market using original NES parts -- the Ricoh 20A3 CPU and Ricoh 2C02 PPU. Where did the company get its hands on OEM components from Japan?" "Frankensteining"
I just had to point that out, carry on.
My point was that the choices sucked a year ago. That's why I said "inelegant" solutions meaning Analogue "Frankensteined" the system for the consumer, rather than consumers doing it themselves. I was in no way giving them a free pass.
Now we have three nice FPGA systems to choose from (2 AVS, 1 Analogue Mini).
1. Power and reset need to be on the front. If no self-respecting console manufacturer thinks it's OK to put them on the back, why does Analogue think it's OK?
2. I haven't seen any pictures showing the doors. Hopefully they learned that Nintendo puts those tiny ridges for a reason: The doors should only contact the game cartridge at 2 tiny points.
1. Power and reset need to be on the front. If no self-respecting console manufacturer thinks it's OK to put them on the back, why does Analogue think it's OK?
I said it before, but it's going for looks over function. Putting them on the back makes the whole thing cleaner. Gamer convenience is secondary in a product like this.
The Analogue Nt controller ports aren't spaced correctly so you can't use a Four Score or Satellite. Is that really 100% peripheral compatibility? Fight fight fight.
That's an interesting point, if true.
Are you being facetious?
I am both being facetious and honest. I always use a Four Score as an extender and turbo-adder but the original Nt controller ports aren't the same spacing as the NES. It's one of my quibbles with the thing, I honestly hope they fix it for this one. Surely someone other than me loves the Four Score as much as I do.
Not having th ports spaced for a 4 score we be a deal breaker at any price for me. Likewise i use the 4 score as an extension cord all the time so you dont have to have 4 dudeds grouped 7 feet from the tv lol
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How does it not make sense? I think it is a debatable question, and an issue that is open for argument. But that it's irrelevant and of no importance to those who already bought it or want one. If anything we should be happy that those who wanted one can now get one without paying a really dumb price on eBay. I understand the point of debate about price but it's been done so many times.
As fear as technical differences, the Nt has the ability to use all the NES peripherals (because it can also output composite), as well as the ability to use the Famicom Microphone.
How is price not relevant or important to somebody that WANTS to buy something, when there are much better priced VALID alternatives to compare it against?
I'm not being absurd... At this point the price isn't relevant to those who want it - they've been watching eBay and the prices have been ridiculous and have not been going down. Now they have the opportunity to get one at a cheaper price than what was originally offered. Yeah there's an alternative but "better" options are clearly based on the kind of person is buying the product. Some people like the look of the Nt and are obsessed about it's technical features. That's all people need for justification to pay more.
I think you are being completely absurd if you don't think price comparisons matter when we're looking at the options for HDMI support on a new-manufacture system that plays NES (i.e. AVS or NT)
Yes, it is going to be cheaper than getting an original NT off of ebay.
But anybody paying those prices has more money than sense, IMO.
But it's more than double the price of the competition, and it's completely valid to flesh out the discussion as to WHY it is more than double the price.
From a manufacturing perspective I suspect that the vast majority of the price difference is a fixed cost on their end for the aluminum case.
I think we would be having a completely different discussion if they'd ditched the milled aluminum and debuted the system at $300 instead of $450.
What I'm saying is the price comparisons don't matter to those who want one at this point. It's different enough from the AVS for them to justify spending more money.
People have a fashion sense, and they're willing to spend more money for something of higher quality. It's about the same for every product out there.
What I'm saying is the price comparisons don't matter to those who want one at this point. It's different enough from the AVS for them to justify spending more money.
People have a fashion sense, and they're willing to spend more money for something of higher quality. It's about the same for every product out there.
To each his own, clearly, but you come off as way too much of an apologist for their price point selection.
(I think it is also pretty easily disputed whether either product is of distinctly higher quality than the other -- there are one or two features that differ on each system, and either system could have a edge in that department depending on what matters to you -- i.e. Scoreboard support is the clear "killer app" IMO, all else being approximately equal)
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
Why wouldn't you just have your actual NES hooked up via composite to a CRT?
I would have thought the only reason anybody is being EITHER system (NT or AVS) is to use HDMI on a modern TV, while their original is hooked up to a CRT for when you want the classic experience.
You failed to highlight the RGB/S-Video part of that statement.
If you think that having all of those other outputs on the back of the NT Mini isn't a big selling point you are incorrect.
It seems you just want to argue against people purchasing the NT Mini.
I wouldn't use composite unless I had to, my main CRT I use, a Commodore 1702 monitor, takes chroma/luma so I'd use S-Video, when I get a PVM I'll use RGB, when I want it hooked up to my HD tv I'd use the HDMI. When I bring a NES console anywhere, a friend's house, family member's house, when I travel I can bring the Analogue Mini and know that I can hook up to anything. That is Awesome. The AVS is sweet too, seems that people around here are fanboying over it too much to the point they have to shout down anyone who want to purchase an alternative.
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
Why wouldn't you just have your actual NES hooked up via composite to a CRT?
I would have thought the only reason anybody is being EITHER system (NT or AVS) is to use HDMI on a modern TV, while their original is hooked up to a CRT for when you want the classic experience.
You failed to highlight the RGB/S-Video part of that statement.
If you think that having all of those other outputs on the back of the NT Mini isn't a big selling point you are incorrect.
It seems you just want to argue against people purchasing the NT Mini.
I wouldn't use composite unless I had to, my main monitor I use, a Commodore 1702, takes chroma/luma so I'd use S-Video, when I get a PVM I'll use RGB, when I want it hooked up to my HD tv I'd use the HDMI. When I bring a NES console anywhere, a friend's house, family member's house, when I travel I can bring the Analouge and know that I can hook up to anything. That is Awesome. The AVS is sweet too, seems that people around here are fanboying over it too much to the point they have to shout down anyone who want to purchase an alternative.
*THIS*
I just recently sold my Analogue NT with RGB for $850 because I knew the AVS was coming out and would probably drop them in price. Took the profits and bought an AV Famicom that was RGB modded.
Honestly regretting it now! I think this is a nice deal. If you only want HDMI then by all means the Retro AVS is probably the way to go. But for hardcore display nerds like myself this Mini is the best of both worlds as my wife and I can still drunkienly play Duck Hunt with it, and it has 1080p HDMI. Is it worth the extra price? To me it is. But maybe not to everybody. I just shelled out $280 for an RGB Modded AV Famicom so it's not that much more.
They're both fantastic products and I'm glad we have options. Bunnyboy and Kevtris thank you guys, you kick ass!
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
Why wouldn't you just have your actual NES hooked up via composite to a CRT?
I would have thought the only reason anybody is being EITHER system (NT or AVS) is to use HDMI on a modern TV, while their original is hooked up to a CRT for when you want the classic experience.
You failed to highlight the RGB/S-Video part of that statement.
If you think that having all of those other outputs on the back of the NT Mini isn't a big selling point you are incorrect.
I didn't highlight the RGB/S-video part because I didn't think it was relevant.
(i.e. composite NES gives you all the CRT compatibility you really need for zapper use, and HDMI is the go-to for using a modern TV with the lowest possible latency -- RGB/S-video dont' solve much in either space)
Yes, that gives you more "nice screen" options than composite NES, but it DOESN'T give you Zapper compatibility, that I know of.
You're vocal enough about it that I guess some people care about it, though.
EDIT to add: and my initial reason for posting was that I really disagree with Leon's stance that price isn't a relevant part of the discussion.
If there are differences in the technical merits of the two systems, that is worth discussing IN PARALLEL with the price difference between the two systems to make a valid comparison.
They don't exist in a vacuum that is free from competition or comparative products, so there is some price point where something like those extra video outputs go from "worth the cost" to "would have been nice to have, but too expensive".
The Analogue Nt controller ports aren't spaced correctly so you can't use a Four Score or Satellite. Is that really 100% peripheral compatibility? Fight fight fight.
The Analogue Nt controller ports aren't spaced correctly so you can't use a Four Score or Satellite. Is that really 100% peripheral compatibility? Fight fight fight.
That's an interesting point, if true.
Are you being facetious?
Why would you need a Four Score or a Satellite with it? It has four ports built in. *FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT*
The Analogue Nt controller ports aren't spaced correctly so you can't use a Four Score or Satellite. Is that really 100% peripheral compatibility? Fight fight fight.
That's an interesting point, if true.
Are you being facetious?
I am both being facetious and honest. I always use a Four Score as an extender and turbo-adder but the original Nt controller ports aren't the same spacing as the NES. It's one of my quibbles with the thing, I honestly hope they fix it for this one. Surely someone other than me loves the Four Score as much as I do.
The HDMI puts this on par with the HD NES, minus the leader boards, the RGB/S-Video/Composite out puts it over the edge and really makes me want to get one over the HD NES. I think the versatility of the output options is awesome and exactly what I want. I actually like how it looks too, I'm having a hard time talking myself out of selling my back up NES and some other stuff and buy this.
Why wouldn't you just have your actual NES hooked up via composite to a CRT?
I would have thought the only reason anybody is being EITHER system (NT or AVS) is to use HDMI on a modern TV, while their original is hooked up to a CRT for when you want the classic experience.
You failed to highlight the RGB/S-Video part of that statement.
If you think that having all of those other outputs on the back of the NT Mini isn't a big selling point you are incorrect.
I didn't highlight the RGB/S-video part because I didn't think it was relevant.
(i.e. composite NES gives you all the CRT compatibility you really need for zapper use, and HDMI is the go-to for using a modern TV with the lowest possible latency -- RGB/S-video dont' solve much in either space)
Yes, that gives you more "nice screen" options than composite NES, but it DOESN'T give you Zapper compatibility, that I know of.
You're vocal enough about it that I guess some people care about it, though.
RGB and S-Video look so much better than Composite on a CRT it's not even funny. Once you go down that road you will never go back. I personally can't speak to light gun games working with RGB/S-Video but it looks like they work just fine.
Straight from Retro RGB's Youtube channel:
"I often get emailed the question: "Will light guns games work on an RGB monitor?" The answer is yes, absolutely! They'll work with all inputs: Composite, S-Video and RGB.
This video shows the arcade (PlayChoice-10) version of Duck Hunt on my RGB-modded NES, playing on my Sony PVM-20M2U RGB monitor. I shot it using my iPad, so please excuse the poor video quality. "
The Analogue Nt controller ports aren't spaced correctly so you can't use a Four Score or Satellite. Is that really 100% peripheral compatibility? Fight fight fight.
That's an interesting point, if true.
Are you being facetious?
I am both being facetious and honest. I always use a Four Score as an extender and turbo-adder but the original Nt controller ports aren't the same spacing as the NES. It's one of my quibbles with the thing, I honestly hope they fix it for this one. Surely someone other than me loves the Four Score as much as I do.
It's mandatory for 2-player Smash TV. (also 4-player Swords and Serpents is more fun that you might expect)
But these systems have four ports to begin with.
RGB/S-Video do give you Zapper Compatibility if connected to a CRT.
Why would you need a Four Score or a Satellite with it? It has four ports built in. *FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT*
Word.
Straight from Retro RGB's Youtube channel:
"I often get emailed the question: "Will light guns games work on an RGB monitor?" The answer is yes, absolutely! They'll work with all inputs: Composite, S-Video and RGB.
This video shows the arcade (PlayChoice-10) version of Duck Hunt on my RGB-modded NES, playing on my Sony PVM-20M2U RGB monitor. I shot it using my iPad, so please excuse the poor video quality. "
That's interesting, though I guess I should have expected that SOME era of RGB-based-monitor would work, since there are PC10 machines that support light guns.
That said, I should have better stated my point that the outcome of that support is going to be highly dependent on the actual TV/monitor, since I was pretty sure there were "HD" CRT tv's out there from late in the CRT TV lifecycle that don't support light guns due to a couple of reasons that don't readily come to mind.
So yes, if you have a vintage-era RGB-based-monitor, then it sounds like it probably works.
(not that the handful of zapper games are a selling point to me, currently, though if Roth finishes up his zapper+dungeon-crawl, I'll revisit it )
7 NT's for sale and the newest one's auction starts at over two grand with a BIN at over five grand, i dunno if anyone would bite with the announced mini but the prices are highway robbery.
They aren't highway robbery, more like buyer stupidity. I don't know why sellers continue to be blamed for the idiocy of the people in this hobby, it makes no sense, it's not like people are being forced at gunpoint to make these purchases.
Originally posted by: Hubz
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Why would you need a Four Score or a Satellite with it? It has four ports built in. *FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT*
Because how else could you get 8 players at once? Come on man.
Originally posted by: Deadpool18
.... The $155 extra for the special edition AVS gets you a custom storage box, flash drive, velvet bag, and history book. These are nice extras for collectors, so again, it's up to the individual.
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Wait... what?
.... The $155 extra for the special edition AVS gets you a custom storage box, flash drive, velvet bag, and history book. These are nice extras for collectors, so again, it's up to the individual.
.....
Wait... what?
AVS history/development.
LOL at the gold plated 10k version. And people are trying to say they're not greedy.
if I had an item that people willingly pay 10k for, you bet your ass I'd be charging 10k for it
Originally posted by: Tulpa
Originally posted by: SoleGooseProductions
Originally posted by: Deadpool18
.... The $155 extra for the special edition AVS gets you a custom storage box, flash drive, velvet bag, and history book. These are nice extras for collectors, so again, it's up to the individual.
.....
Wait... what?
AVS history/development.
Now that sounds great!
The Analogue NT mini and the AVS give enthusiasts and collectors a choice. We can decide cost/benefit ratio. I'm sure both companies will sell enough to turn a profit, so who cares. I'm happy for them both. I bought a first edition Analogue NT and preordered the AVS. Can't wait to try to get good enough to compete on Scoreboard!
I don't think it's fair to criticize one's buying choices. Calling people who like the features of the Analogue Mini "price apologists" is simply unjustified. It's worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Also using the artificial scarcity argument is an attack on any limited run product, which we see quite a few of in this hobby. For example, is it fair to tell someone that $650 for a limited edition AVS with extras is not worthy? I went with the $185 model and a launch game, but that doesn't mean I would scoff at someone who saw $465 in value for the other package. I wish I had the money right now for the limited edition AVS! My Christmas carts could shine right through the clear case
I just had to point that out, carry on.
No Famicom slot
Of course it has a Famicom slot.
Yep, both slots are clearly shown in the pics.
My bad. I may have misinterpreted a news article regarding the famicom slot. I honestly do not recall where I got that from.
"For those who enjoy geeking out on the component side of things, the Nt is also the only NES console currently on the market using original NES parts -- the Ricoh 20A3 CPU and Ricoh 2C02 PPU. Where did the company get its hands on OEM components from Japan?" "Frankensteining"
I just had to point that out, carry on.
My point was that the choices sucked a year ago. That's why I said "inelegant" solutions meaning Analogue "Frankensteined" the system for the consumer, rather than consumers doing it themselves. I was in no way giving them a free pass.
Now we have three nice FPGA systems to choose from (2 AVS, 1 Analogue Mini).
2. I haven't seen any pictures showing the doors. Hopefully they learned that Nintendo puts those tiny ridges for a reason: The doors should only contact the game cartridge at 2 tiny points.
1. Power and reset need to be on the front. If no self-respecting console manufacturer thinks it's OK to put them on the back, why does Analogue think it's OK?
I said it before, but it's going for looks over function. Putting them on the back makes the whole thing cleaner. Gamer convenience is secondary in a product like this.
The Analogue Nt controller ports aren't spaced correctly so you can't use a Four Score or Satellite. Is that really 100% peripheral compatibility? Fight fight fight.
That's an interesting point, if true.
Are you being facetious?
I am both being facetious and honest. I always use a Four Score as an extender and turbo-adder but the original Nt controller ports aren't the same spacing as the NES. It's one of my quibbles with the thing, I honestly hope they fix it for this one. Surely someone other than me loves the Four Score as much as I do.
Not having th ports spaced for a 4 score we be a deal breaker at any price for me. Likewise i use the 4 score as an extension cord all the time so you dont have to have 4 dudeds grouped 7 feet from the tv lol