What does "retro" mean?

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  • The public has to already have an understanding of "retro-" for "retro-style" to have ever made sense before it was shortened, thus, it's circular-reasoning to imply that the assumption of that use when shortened is the only valid assumption.



    Shortening it to "retro" and considering it the only definition for "retro" is an attempt to retcon the historical definition of retro to suit your own more-limited understanding.  



    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retroactive_continuity
  • Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: quest4nes



    thread over sorry Czroe. not just the adjective.  you are now a dank hipster collector. no one today in our hobby is using retro as a prefix so that doesnt even matter.



    ret·ro1

  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
     



    Which is why I specifically spoke of its use as a prefix and that any misuse as a stand-alone word is a different kind of mis-use: neglecting to hyphenate.



    This is fun!

    It isn't being misused as a stand-alone word, though, when that stand-alone word has had an understood definition for 50+ years.

     



    ...an understood definition based on a prior understanding of the root of the word.



    In English, we can use words descriptively in spite of their literal meaning, like I did with "retcon." History is not fiction, which is why I descriptively used it to imply that we were attempting to retcon history (to support my assertion that it's ridiculous).
  • Originally posted by: quest4nes

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: quest4nes



    thread over sorry Czroe. not just the adjective.  you are now a dank hipster collector. no one today in our hobby is using retro as a prefix so that doesnt even matter.



    ret·ro1

  • Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
     



    Which is why I specifically spoke of its use as a prefix and that any misuse as a stand-alone word is a different kind of mis-use: neglecting to hyphenate.



    This is fun!

    It isn't being misused as a stand-alone word, though, when that stand-alone word has had an understood definition for 50+ years.

     



    ...an understood definition based on a prior understanding of the root of the word.



    In English, we can use words descriptively in spite of their literal meaning, like I did with "retcon." History is not fiction, which is why I descriptively used it to imply that we were attempting to retcon history (to support my assertion that it's ridiculous).

    "Retro" being used, as a stand-alone word, and being synonymous with "retro-style" has been the common usage in American English since before either of us were born, and possibly before your parents were born, depending on how old you are.



    Your attempts to claim that this is some kind of new or unusual usage, is becoming increasingly absurd.









    I'd be interested if you could find an American English usage of "retro" as a SINGLE WORD (rather than a prefix) that means anything other than "retro-style", actually.

     
  • lol. when your argument is based around its origin saying " I bet they said it this way"



    then the argument is over



    The dictionary doesnt agree with you
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
    Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
     



    Which is why I specifically spoke of its use as a prefix and that any misuse as a stand-alone word is a different kind of mis-use: neglecting to hyphenate.



    This is fun!

    It isn't being misused as a stand-alone word, though, when that stand-alone word has had an understood definition for 50+ years.

     



    ...an understood definition based on a prior understanding of the root of the word.



    In English, we can use words descriptively in spite of their literal meaning, like I did with "retcon." History is not fiction, which is why I descriptively used it to imply that we were attempting to retcon history (to support my assertion that it's ridiculous).

    "Retro" being used, as a stand-alone word, and being synonymous with "retro-style" has been the common usage in American English since before either of us were born, and possibly before your parents were born, depending on how old you are.



    Your attempts to claim that this is some kind of new or unusual usage, is becoming increasingly absurd.



     



    Many words have a common usage without losing their other meanings or usages/applications. This is one of them. I did not say it was "new" except in relative sense (any English word from the '50s or '60s is still relatively new). It's "absurd" that so many people have been oblivious to this all along.



    I guess getting a truck with an extended cab means I'm getting it with an extended taxi cabriolet because it's just WRONG for a word to have any other meaning than it's most common use!  

     
  • Originally posted by: quest4nes



    lol. when your argument is based around its origin saying " I bet they said it this way"



    then the argument is over



    The dictionary doesnt agree with you

    That was NOT the crux of my argument (nice straw man, BTW  ). I already explained how words can be used descriptively and not just by their strict interpretations. Sorry, but I and many other people have been using it this way for as long as I can remember so no one can tell me the other usage doesn't exist.
  • " If you're going to accept it as a relatively new word ('50s and '60s) then you have to accept the other equally-justifiable applications of it as a new word too. I bet people didn't exclusively use it to mean "retro-style" in the '50s and '60s just like we don't today." - CZroe





    It was a pretty big chunk of your rebuttal to me. You are just wrong on this one buddy. Sorry.





    If we are looking for meanings of words, the the damn dictionary gives them. The damn dictionary disagrees with you. Just give it up. Keep misusing it all you want. I will look down upon you  
  • Originally posted by: CZroe

     
     



    Many words have a common usage without losing their other meanings or usages/applications. This is one of them. I did not say it was "new" except in relative sense (any English word from the '50s or '60s is still relatively new). It's "absurd" that so many people have been oblivious to this all along.



    I guess getting a truck with an extended cab means I'm getting it with an extended taxi cabriolet because it's just WRONG for a word to have any other meaning than it's most common use!  

     

    Did ANYONE suggest that retro, as a prefix, had lost any of its other uses or meanings?



    You are building up and tearing down your own straw men, at this point.





    The only two pertinent arguments were:

    1) whether "retro", as a stand-alone word, is generally understood to mean "retro-style" (the answer is "YES"    )



    and



    2) whether "retro", in the context of gaming, was implying "retro-style", rather than its own specific use of the prefix (or whether it was even a prefix in this context and not an adjective)



    On the latter point, the vast majority of references (on either the definitions of "retro-style" or discussion of "retrogaming/retro gaming") support the notion that it is, indeed, using the definition of "retro-style", specifically.





    You can have your own opinion about whether you think that is a fitting definition, or not, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a reference that doesn't support what I'm saying or what quest4nes is saying.



     
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
     



    Many words have a common usage without losing their other meanings or usages/applications. This is one of them. I did not say it was "new" except in relative sense (any English word from the '50s or '60s is still relatively new). It's "absurd" that so many people have been oblivious to this all along.



    I guess getting a truck with an extended cab means I'm getting it with an extended taxi cabriolet because it's just WRONG for a word to have any other meaning than it's most common use!  

     

    Did ANYONE suggest that retro, as a prefix, had lost any of its other uses or meanings?



    You are building up and tearing down your own straw men, at this point.





    The only two pertinent arguments were:

    1) whether "retro", as a stand-alone word, is generally understood to mean "retro-style" (the answer is "YES"    )



    and



    2) whether "retro", in the context of gaming, was implying "retro-style", rather than its own specific use of the prefix (or whether it was even a prefix in this context and not an adjective)



    On the latter point, the vast majority of references (on either the definitions of "retro-style" or discussion of "retrogaming/retro gaming") support the notion that it is, indeed, using the definition of "retro-style", specifically.





    You can have your own opinion about whether you think that is a fitting definition, or not, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a reference that doesn't support what I'm saying or what quest4nes is saying.



     



    LOL! "Hard pressed?!" When were literally seeing more example of "retro" used within gaming in a way that would be incorrect by your interpretation but not by mine, I can rest my case. I think it's safe to draw the conclusion that the prefix definition is still understood and frequently applied to the stand-alone use of the word right alongside "retro-style."



    I think I've shown that the majority of applications within the retro gaming community directly contradict your assertion that it usually means "retro-style" in the context of gaming. Heck, even when it comes to other non-gaming uses, it hasn't been exclusively used to mean "retro-style:"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro_Television_Network



    It's a poor argument to say that still meaning "retro-style" means it can't mean anything else when "retro" has to have another meaning for "retro-style" to make sense. That argument requires the incorrect assumption that it can't mean anything else. You can't win an argument by setting a demonstrably false premise like that. 
  • Originally posted by: CZroe



     Heck, even when it comes to other non-gaming uses, it hasn't been exclusively used to mean "retro-style:"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/R...

     

    Are you being serious?  Or do you just not understand how the term "retro-style" gets applied?



    It's pretty clear that "Retro TV" fits the definition of "retro-style"...



    They are directly leveraging people's common understanding of "retro", as a stand alone term, to mean "retro-style" and refer to things that were popular in earlier decades...

     
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe



     Heck, even when it comes to other non-gaming uses, it hasn't been exclusively used to mean "retro-style:"

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retro_Television_Network

     

    Are you being serious?  Or do you just not understand how the term "retro-style" gets applied?



    It's pretty clear that "Retro TV" fits the definition of "retro-style"...



     



    Wow. Retro television programming is not "retro-style" television programming. It is television programming that comes from a time before our current time, which is exactly what I said it meant and flys in the face of your strict interpretation. IOW, the programming *IS* "retro," not "retro-style." Just another example you can't interpret any other way. *coolshades*

     
  • Any of you guys or gals play Retro City Rampage on PS4? Man, what a great retro game  
  • Didn't we have this thread before? i clearly remember it, maybe it was three years ago or less but it was already decided that retro was being misused. I think the Op was Guntz.
  • Originally posted by: Br81zad



    Any of you guys or gals play Retro City Rampage on PS4? Man, what a great retro game  



    that is exactly the correct use of retro game.

     
  • I'm not the one with a strict interpretation, here, when I am giving the term "retro-style" fairly broad latitude, and you are the one hung up on use of the classical prefix.
  • https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_at_Nite



    "In the early 1990s, the channel ran a one-time special featuring old television commercials; this idea would be rehashed by the network on several other shows and eventually become a staple of offshoot channel, TV Land, as part of the "Retromercials" segment that aired during commercial breaks until the mid-2000s."



    Yeah, I think we've all seen retro-style television commercials, which are completely different from their "Retromercials" (actual commercials from the by-gone era they focus on). Before anyone argues that it's a prefix and not a standalone word: almost all of my examples have been portmanteaus. *drops mic*
  • Originally posted by: CZroe



    Yeah, I think we've all seen retro-style television commercials, which are completely different from their "Retromercials." Before anyone argues that it's a prefix and not a standalone word: almost all of my examples have been portmanteaus. *drops mic*

    That's an excellent point that pretty much invalidates everything you've argued up to this point about "retro" supposedly not having an understood definition in stand-alone form  



     
  • huh?

    i am not hung up, just that the op started a thread that was answered years ago.
  • Originally posted by: zredgemz



    huh?

    i am not hung up, just that the op started a thread that was answered years ago.

    Nobody said you were hung up, that I saw.



    My reply was to Czroe, and a couple of people managed to squeeze between his post, and mine, so it lost context.



     
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe



    Yeah, I think we've all seen retro-style television commercials, which are completely different from their "Retromercials." Before anyone argues that it's a prefix and not a standalone word: almost all of my examples have been portmanteaus. *drops mic*

    That's an excellent point that pretty much invalidates everything you've argued up to this point about "retro" supposedly not having an understood definition in stand-alone form  



     

    You think you're being clever but you're completely ignoring that the portmanteaus I spotlighted only make sense with the more-broad definition you refuse to accept. See how this works? The "understood" definition for the portmanteaus is the one I gave and directly contradicts your "retro=retro-style" assertion.

     
  • Originally posted by: CZroe

     
     

    You think you're being clever but you're completely ignoring that the portmanteaus I spotlighted only make sense with the more-broad definition you refuse to accept.

     

    What is this supposedly more-broad definition that I refuse to accept? 



    Because I don't recall you clearly articulating one before resorting into a lot of post-wall back-and-forth.
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe

     
     

    You think you're being clever but you're completely ignoring that the portmanteaus I spotlighted only make sense with the more-broad definition you refuse to accept.

     

    What is this supposedly more-broad definition that I refuse to accept? 



    Because I don't recall you clearly articulating one before resorting into a lot of post-wall back-and-forth.

    Are you kidding? I repeated it over and over. You even quoted it and directly responded to it:



    Again, with retroactive, retrorockets, retrovirus:

    Retro- means BEFORE in relation to current position and/or direction in time, space, or development.





    This understanding extends to all other applications of "retro," including "retro-style." It's literally where the word comes from.





    Accepting that Retro television programming refers to old shows and not just new shows made in the style of old shows REQUIRES you to abandon your interpretation and to accept mine. Welcome to reality.  
  • Op here is the old thread if you would like to take a look. http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=108594
  • All I want to know is if the new Mini NES is considered "Retro" or not?
  • Originally posted by: DQ187



    All I want to know is if the new Mini NES is considered "Retro" or not?

    Yes.



     
  • I like to masturbate as much as the next guy but I try not to get it all over the boards. At the very least, though, nobody's running any quote trains on anyone.
  • Originally posted by: CZroe





    Again, with retroactive, retrorockets, retrovirus:

    Retro- means BEFORE in relation to current position and/or direction in time, space, or development.



    This understanding extends to all other applications of "retro," including "retro-style." It's literally where the word comes from.

     

    I recall pointing out upthread that the literal definition of "retro" in Latin is "backward" and the specific applicable sub-defintion of backward is going to be based on the word you're joining it with.  ("before in relation to...etc" wouldn't be a technically accurate blanket definition, I don't think, when "backward" is succinct and literal)





    If you want to suggest that SOME uses of "retro" in relation to gaming, are attempting to leverage an independent usage of the term from "retro-style", you may be correct, but to know, you would have to ask the content creators/company owners why they chose the name and branding to know with any certainty, when the simplist explanation is that loads of people have simply leapt onto the bandwagon of the term in the last 10 years, accuracy-be-damned.



    But I'll concede the possibility.





    With that said, you need to let go of this ridiculous argument against "retro" in the stand-alone not carrying "retro-style" as the generally accepted definition.



    It just is. 



    Some people may use it otherwise, but they are not in the majority, compared with the actual dictionary-defined word, which is a direct synonym for "retro-style" because somewhere along the line, numerous decades ago, people were using "retro-style" so much that they evidently wanted to shorten it.

     
  • Originally posted by: arch_8ngel

     
    Originally posted by: CZroe





    Again, with retroactive, retrorockets, retrovirus:

    Retro- means BEFORE in relation to current position and/or direction in time, space, or development.



    This understanding extends to all other applications of "retro," including "retro-style." It's literally where the word comes from.

     

    I recall pointing out upthread that the literal definition of "retro" in Latin is "backward" and the specific applicable sub-defintion of backward is going to be based on the word you're joining it with.  ("before in relation to...etc" wouldn't be a technically accurate blanket definition, I don't think, when "backward" is succinct and literal)





    If you want to suggest that SOME uses of "retro" in relation to gaming, are attempting to leverage an independent usage of the term from "retro-style", you may be correct, but to know, you would have to ask the content creators/company owners why they chose the name and branding to know with any certainty, when the simplist explanation is that loads of people have simply leapt onto the bandwagon of the term in the last 10 years, accuracy-be-damned.



    But I'll concede the possibility.





    With that said, you need to let go of this ridiculous argument against "retro" in the stand-alone not carrying "retro-style" as the generally accepted definition.



    It just is. 



    Some people may use it otherwise, but they are not in the majority, compared with the actual dictionary-defined word, which is a direct synonym for "retro-style" because somewhere along the line, numerous decades ago, people were using "retro-style" so much that they evidently wanted to shorten it.

     



    Not just "some..." MOST, as I've demonstrated.





    Retrospective

    Retrograde

    Retronym



    Yes, that definition is in the dictionary too:

    retro-

    prefix  ret·ro 

    Simple Definition of retro-

    *         : backward : back

    Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary



    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retro

    Full Definition of retro-

    * 1 :  backward :  back

    * 2 :  situated behind





    As I've been saying all along, people are simply neglecting the hyphen when using the prefix to describe classic gaming or making new words with that meaning. This is entirely different than saying that "retro" can only mean "retro-style" and that Retrofixes is misapplying the "word."



     
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