CD Resurfacing for Collectors

Hey guys,



So i've been collecting ps1 and dreamcast games and notice the most used game stores resurface every disc. which creates like a ghost foggy image to it. It bugs me, not sure why... But now im going out looking for non-resurfaced games.. which is tough because you have to balance is it still playable (how many scratches it has). Anyone else care about this?
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  • If the people doing the resurfacing have a good machine, you wouldn't notice. I have a few discs that look like what you explained and yes it does bother me, they're using a cheap machine. May as well just leave it as it was at that point
  • I normally wouldn't, as every resurfaced game that I've ever gotten (including those that I took in to be resurfaced) has come out perfectly clear, smooth, etc. However, if there's something amiss with the resurfacers in your area where it's causing it to not come out looking OEM, yeah, that's definitely an issue. It might not cause issues for perfectly working lasers but will most likely cause all sorts of issues down the line. Additionally, discs can really only be resurfaced a limited number of times, so if you're getting all sorts of foggy discs, whoever's using bad/inferior equipment to do it is also limiting others' abilities to make those same discs like new again.
  • A few local stores here have nice resurfacers, big industrial expensive-looking ones. And they do not leave a white cloud behind at all. The only way you can even tell it was done is there's a white circle on the plastic groove on the bottom that can easily be wiped off with your thumb. Then it's as good as new.
  • If a company has an RTI disc buffer- it can make a disc look brand new without any swirl marks (if used properly). However these machines are thousands versus a couple hundred dollar jfj machine that most stores use.
  • Most stores around me buff every disc game regardless of condition, i think its just insurance for them it works. As long as it plays fine I really dont care. Good buffers you can't tell it was ever done anyway.
  • The white cloud just be leftover wax.
  • We had 2 places in town that did resurfacing but the video store closed up shop on that. The other store is a retro game store and they got a really good machine but generally if it plays when I get it I don't bother on the polish.
  • I don't have others resurface my games, if they're scratched, they stay that way till I resurface them. And I'd only resurface a game if I'm about to play it, just in case it gets damaged again. Every resurface is removing disc down to the deepest scratch on there, so if you have one scratch X deep, resurface it, then get one Y deep, and hit it again, there's now X+Y surface missing.
  • Originally posted by: Ozzy_98



    I don't have others resurface my games, if they're scratched, they stay that way till I resurface them. And I'd only resurface a game if I'm about to play it, just in case it gets damaged again. Every resurface is removing disc down to the deepest scratch on there, so if you have one scratch X deep, resurface it, then get one Y deep, and hit it again, there's now X+Y surface missing.

    not exactly. Some nice machines heat the disc and fill the scratch and arent removing anything



     
  • They're either using a cheap machine, running out of materials, or aren't resurfacing it right.



    If you see any white or blue crust around the edges, that's usually the wax they use to resurface and is easy to clean off.
  • I most of the time don't buy resurfaced discs specially gamecube and dreamcasr games, these tend to fail more often when resurfaced. I'm not saying that a resurfaced game wont work but most of the time I've encountered these they either dont work or work partially. There are ways to verify disc integrity using a computer in order to check Sega CD, Saturn, PS1, PS2, PS3 discs. If you happen to have a softmodded Wii with CleanRip installed you can also check GC and Wii discs for a ny defects. These tricks have saved me from many headaches and I could return most damaged games back to the seller or retail store with no problems. Remember that if a game boots up it does not mean that the game is completely playable.
  • I've had my discs resurfaced at a few different places, and there's only one place that I trust. No cloudiness on the discs and haven't had any problems. They're a little more expensive but totally worth it to rescue an old scratched game or cheap thrifting find.
  • If professionally resurfaced using a top quality re-surfacing machine - YES! Absolutely. I use this all the time for games for my collection, and afterwards the disc just looks mint. However I also invested around $2000 into one of these machines, they aren't cheap! I also went through a trial-and-error period of testing out different machines before I found one I was happy with. I ended up going with a VMI Hybrid which I use regularly.
  • Good machines don't show the foggy surface. I personally don't care if a disk has been resurfaced as long as it plays flawlessly.
  • I own a RTI Eco Pro 2 resurface machine. I paid about $600 for a refurbished machine straight from the company although a brand new one goes for about $1,000 to $1,500. From my experience though, its one the best machines I've used for resurfacing games, very similar to the VMI Hybrid. These machines are definately way better than a JFJ Easy Pro. The buffing pads on the Eco Pro uses a sort of half sanding, half buffing effect which works very well, however it does leave very light swirl marks which can only be seen in the light. I bought a separate set of buffing pads that I use specifically to remove those light swirl marks, practically making discs look like new again without any foggy surface. I'm kind of a perfectionist that way and try to make my games look as mint as possible,  .



    Sometimes, I get duplicates that I sell on EBay and use this machine to make games look like new. I usually just describe them as very good condition. I have gotten some messages from satisfied customers that are so happy because they think their games were never played.
  • I'm surprised there wasn't some kind of backlash in this thread about resurfaced discs. When this is mentioned on other forums, there are a very vocal minority that will repeatedly insist a resurfaced disc is basically garbage, and go on about the dust left in the middle of the disc, or swirl marks you can see if you look at it under a magnifying glass under bright light while Saturn is to your East and you're standing one leg doing the macarena.



    Just the mention of the word "resurfaced" causes their nasal passages to immediately fill with mucus, their hands to make fervent little fidgety movements, and they grow dizzy and anxious until they've re-re-re-recleaned an NES cartridge's pins with sulphuric acid and sandpaper, then re-organized the order of the warranty card and health precautions booklet in their SNES games so they all face the same direction.
  • I don't see anything wrong with preferring your discs not be resurfaced. Or at least not visibly resurfaced. I saw a pretty bad one recently. If I was buying a disc game though, I'd just want it to work.
  • Ive been getting more into ps1 collecting lately and noticed a lot of stuff online has been resurfaced. Is this something I should be concerned about? I'm in the camp that as long as it's the original disc and plays I'm happy. Should I have any concerns about the lifetime of the disc or anything?



    Seems like most people here are ok with it as long as it works and doesn't mess up the disc.
  • Never knew this was a collecting concern either until I sold a Longbox Resident Evil on ebay and the buyer FREAKED THE F OUT on me because it "appeared to be resurfaced". Good god, the disc looked purdy to me.



    Never been into disc-based collecting, so I'll probably never understand why it's such a big deal. It seems very minor to me, but maybe it's viewed as replacing the label on carts?



    Idk, I'd rather have a good functional disc compared to one with heavy scratches that overworks the laser, or maybe I'm just crazy.
  • If you don't like the fog, take it to another store to be lightly buffed. A lot of times one machine will get the scratches out but leave wax fog. The other machine will get off the residue on the data surface, at least.



    I estimate that I have resurfaced 5-10,000 discs over the years. We don't resurface ALL discs that come through. It's a waste of time, money and resources to do discs that are already perfectly fine.
  • Originally posted by: Andy_Bogomil



    Ive been getting more into ps1 collecting lately and noticed a lot of stuff online has been resurfaced. Is this something I should be concerned about? I'm in the camp that as long as it's the original disc and plays I'm happy. Should I have any concerns about the lifetime of the disc or anything?



    Seems like most people here are ok with it as long as it works and doesn't mess up the disc.



    I think as long as the disc visually looks accpetable to you, and it is tested to play perfectly there shouldn't be any concern.  Of course some collectors may prefer to always have items in the original condition.



    However, its important to know that a disc can only be resurfaced a finite amount of times before it becomes destroyed.  Obviously this is because resurfacing is essentially sanding off very fine layers of the plastic, and if you do it too much you'll hit the data layer.  Also, its important for a seller to disclose whether or not its ever been resurfaced.

     
  • Good old tubeway. Rip
  • Originally posted by: Boosted52405



     to one with heavy scratches that overworks the laser



    I think this is mostly a myth.  There's auto-adjusting lasers, which can adjust their power output, but I know of know game systems that use this.  Most had manual adjustments via pots, so if anyone tells you "xyz will burn up the laser", it's not due to the laser putting out too much power, they just can not physically do that. 

     
  • Originally posted by: Ozzy_98

     
    Originally posted by: Boosted52405



     to one with heavy scratches that overworks the laser



    I think this is mostly a myth.  There's auto-adjusting lasers, which can adjust their power output, but I know of know game systems that use this.  Most had manual adjustments via pots, so if anyone tells you "xyz will burn up the laser", it's not due to the laser putting out too much power, they just can not physically do that. 

     

    Certain phat PS2s definitely auto-adjust until they run out of auto-adjustment range and start throwing DREs.



     
  • We use an RTI eco smart machine.

    https://www.amazon.com/RTI-DVD-DiscCheck-Resurfacing-Machine/dp/B001J5TH1S

    Works great with most formats. Nice thing is that 4 different pads are automatically used so you don't have to switch pads while cleaning cds.

    Gamecube games do give us trouble sometimes.



    Blu-ray are the worst. I haven't been able to figure those out yet.

    Has anyone here had lucky fixing blu-ray discs?
  • You can't fix Blu-ray. That hard coating can't be damaged in any way, plus the data is all the way through like a sponge or the inside of Cybertron.
  • Yeah the big advantage with Blu Ray is they won't scratch. Fuckin GameStop always offering me the $2 scratch protection
  • Originally posted by: GCrites80s



    You can't fix Blu-ray. That hard coating can't be damaged in any way, plus the data is all the way through like a sponge or the inside of Cybertron.



    That is my take but other resurfacing machines do list them as media that can be fixed. I think that video posted on page one states it fixed blu-ray.
  • The coating on Blurays are called Durabis, and they're not scratch-proof, just harder to scratch. If there is a machine that can take care of Bluray, it might work, but it's difficult to know the success rate as it's difficult to scratch to begin with. If anything, you get a scratched Bluray game/movie that works, DON'T TRY AND RESURFACE IT.
  • Originally posted by: Buyatari

     
    Originally posted by: GCrites80s



    You can't fix Blu-ray. That hard coating can't be damaged in any way, plus the data is all the way through like a sponge or the inside of Cybertron.



    That is my take but other resurfacing machines do list them as media that can be fixed. I think that video posted on page one states it fixed blu-ray.



    They list it, but they can really only remove cosmetic scratches that wouldn't affect gameplay or playback using the buff.

     
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