I go with what ever I have, can afford, and have room for.
Right now, I'm playing PS4 with a HDMI to composite converter because I'm too poor to own a new TV and since the TV is too old, the HDMI to component converter will not work on it since the TV is in 4:3.
I've kinda given up on CRTs. I've got a small (~12") trinitron that I keep my NES hooked up to for duck hunt, but I got rid of the 27" screen in my game room. I've had two of them fail in the last 4 years, including a trinitron, the thrift stores around me stopped keeping them so getting a replacement is hard, and they just took up too much room: I've literally added a work desk in the area it was taking up.
The HDTV in my game room actually does a really nice job with the component inputs from my Wii and PS2 (covering PS1 and GCN games as well) and of course I've got an AVS on the way. That leaves Atari, SNES, N64, and (eventually, once we take it from my wife's parents, a) Genesis running through composite. I may eventually get an RGB to HDMI setup going for SNES and Genesis. I know there's an HDMI mod being developed for the N64 and I definitely want one of those. That would just leave the Atari with poor picture quality on my HDTV, and I can live with that.
Obviously HD for HD games (Wii U/PS4 etc.), but CRT for everything else. Input lag, aspect ratio, etc. all play a part in making classic gaming less enjoyable on a HDTV. I honestly don't understand the whole HD NES thing at all.
CRT because there's no way I'm going to shell out $500 on an upscaler to make the games look like they should, and I hate the lag on flatscreens.
They've also reached the bottom of the barrel price-wise and have broken through and left a long dark pit beneath the barrel. My first Trinitron was 25 in model that cost me $60. NExt was a 19 in for $10. Then a 13 in for $4. Yeah, I'll grant you that I was getting smaller one every time, but I've seen 20 inch units go for $2 in thrift stores now.
Also fwiw
25 in: gaming tv
19 in: test tv for my workshop
13 in: Workshop TV for when I actually want to, y'know, watch TV.
I voted HDTV simply because that's where my couch is!
I totally get the CRT experience and all of that. I have a CRT setup as well for the Zapper and Punch-Out and stuff like that. But in my house the room with the HDTV is more comfortable and I think the picture I get out of my AV toploader is just fine. I think the AVS is going to look pretty nice as well though.
CRT's for all my old stuff, HDMI/Component for newer stuff(Wii/360 and up). I have component cables for my old modded Xbox, but there's no room in the entertainment center for it. I have 3 CRT's in my video game room, each with a System Linked Xbox(all my other retro systems connected to the center tv. Now if I could just find some folks to play the linked stuff with...
Come down to Buffalo man, I see them at thrift stores frequently. What is worse, I see them more frequently out at the curb. Trinitrons lining up for TV heaven (channel 46 back where I'm from ). I already have two, which someday be three, CRTs in the office, so I have to let them go. It is a shame every time, but getting the wife to agree to the ones that I already have was hard enough.
yeah right now I have two at my current house and one waiting at my parents house for when we get a bigger place. But I'd like to just have a closet full so whenever one breaks I can just pull another one out. All depends on when we move and how many I'm allowed to keep but yeah Buffalo ain't too far, maybe I will come down sometime, look for some games while I'm at it
Crt's all the way, unless someone makes a tv that can process older signals the correct way without adding lag i am not switching over unless i have no choice.
I play my classic games on a CRT. I'm not at all interested in playing on an HDTV. Now, I'm not one of those toolsheds who goes around saying shit like, "the only true way to play the classics is on a CRT! HDTVs are shitty for old school graphics!! My hair is greasy even after I shower!!"
No, I know that a good HDTV can display classic games as well as any CRT. But still, I prefer CRTs for a few reasons:
The cost - I paid $15 for my 32 in Trinitron
The feel - I like to play games on original hardware. To me, the CRT is part of the package
The simplicity - CRTs are mainly plug and play. No need to worry about crazy modern menu settings, lag adjustments, aspect ratio, etc.
How do you guys feel about it? Maybe you can share pics of your set up?
This for me as well, but I have an AVS on the way. I think I'm gonna stick with the CRT for single player gaming experiences and use the AVS for when I have people over.
We have both. XRGB and routed to a Trinitron and a Samsung LED. Also have a 20" PVM with the spares for NES and SNES on it using RGB in another room. Just depends on our mood and the game which we play on.
I picked "Whatever's Clever" because I game on both a standard def CRT (Sony Trinitron via composite) and a HD TV (via RGB, upscaled via the Framemeister). Both are awesome ways to play.
I have two CRTS, and my only flatscreen is my PC monitor. I also don't really watch television to begin with, so I don't care how nice new programs look on new tvs. I check out my DVD collection and everything looks better on my 32in CRT anyway, since they are all older movies shot on film. I also have no current gen consoles; I use my XBOX360 (which I got for free) to stream netflix and youtube through my bedroom television. I'm not trying to be some hipster with old stuff; I just never got rid of my old stuff and still like it.
Crt's all the way, unless someone makes a tv that can process older signals the correct way
That's kind of the problem, they are processing it correctly, and thats bad. 240p isn't a real video mode, it's a malformed 480i and tv makers cant seem to agree on how to process it. TV makers always gave gamers the shaft with their decisions.
I have a tiny apartment but I have no problem earmarking about 15% of that space for TV and video games. As soon as I brought my NES, SNES, and N64 from home and tried them on my 60" tv, i realized it was a miserable failure and went off to the thrift store for a proper television set. As a kid I always had to use the RF adapters, sometimes run thru a VCR, but I found a nice TV with RCA plugs so I can party like it's 1995.
Crt's all the way, unless someone makes a tv that can process older signals the correct way
That's kind of the problem, they are processing it correctly, and thats bad. 240p isn't a real video mode, it's a malformed 480i and tv makers cant seem to agree on how to process it. TV makers always gave gamers the shaft with their decisions.
They are not, Samsung and Sony have a few tvs that do but they do not have a standard across all of their tvs, same thing with Samsung they process it as 720x240 which is the best way you can process it on modern tvs. Retro vision hd has a list of tvs that process the 240p signal correctly but the amount of tvs is not that great, input lag on the other hand is a whole different issue. http://www.hdretrovision.com/240p/
Crt's all the way, unless someone makes a tv that can process older signals the correct way
That's kind of the problem, they are processing it correctly, and thats bad. 240p isn't a real video mode, it's a malformed 480i and tv makers cant seem to agree on how to process it. TV makers always gave gamers the shaft with their decisions.
Or more specifically, CRTs don't have fixed resolutions, so the "funky" resolutions of classic systems display with no problem, but need interpretation for fixed resolution displays, where all the problems come in.
that explains the slight color distortion in the upper right hand corner... thanks for lookin' out!
Move the speaker away, and turn the TV on and off several times. The initial "flash" when the set turns on is internal "degaussing" trying to self correct.
Crt's all the way, unless someone makes a tv that can process older signals the correct way
That's kind of the problem, they are processing it correctly, and thats bad. 240p isn't a real video mode, it's a malformed 480i and tv makers cant seem to agree on how to process it. TV makers always gave gamers the shaft with their decisions.
They are not, Samsung and Sony have a few tvs that do but they do not have a standard across all of their tvs, same thing with Samsung they process it as 720x240 which is the best way you can process it on modern tvs. Retro vision hd has a list of tvs that process the 240p signal correctly but the amount of tvs is not that great, input lag on the other hand is a whole different issue. http://www.hdretrovision.com/240p...
Not true, there isn't a 240p standard. If there was, it wouldn't be what we call 240p/ That link really agrees more with me, this is stuff I've been saying for years. What we call 240p is really 480i 30 FPS, but gamers call it 240p 60 fps because that's kind of how it acts, but what we call 240p isn't a true 240p since it wouldn't have scan lines. Each FIELD of a 480i FRAME has an offset, so it knows if it should draw the even or odd scanlines. On a "240p" image, it never adjusts this offset, so each field is drawn in the same place. This is a non-standard signal since each field should have a different offset, and some TVs just don't bother checking the offset or they "correct" this non-changing offset.
Because 240p only shows one set of fields, even or odd, that's why you have scanlines; CRTs themselves do not have scanlines like people think. Or rather, every line, black or full of picture, is a scan line If you watch TV for example, you have no scanlines because it's showing both the even and odd fields.
In a nutshell, 240p isn't 240p. It's 480 pixels high. Just every other line isn't drawn. The REAL 240p is a VGA res, which is what some of these devices are showing.
Edit: and if you ever see videos like on youtube labeled 240p, that's not the same 240p that your game console spits out.
I understand that 240p is not a standard but saying that modern tvs are processing 240p correctly when a bunch are not is just wrong, most modern tvs do not process analog signals correctly. Obviously when the switch to digital tvs very few companies made any real effort for processing composite and component analog signals correctly, 240p while not a standard in digital video was widely used in analog tvs granted both types of tvs operate differently. I dunno what the point was in bringing this whole thing into this thread was but like i said untill i can find a tv with no inputlag and can process 240p correctly, i will stick with CRT's.
Edit: i can not believe you think snes runs at 30fps by saying the 240p is really 480i 30fps. Ill stick with the expert on analog video over that anyday.
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Right now, I'm playing PS4 with a HDMI to composite converter because I'm too poor to own a new TV and since the TV is too old, the HDMI to component converter will not work on it since the TV is in 4:3.
Projector: NES, SNES, N64, Wii (with GC compatibility), Consolized MVS, Saturn, Dreamcast, PS2 (with PS1 compatibility)
LCD HDTV: PS3, (coming soon - AVS)
The HDTV in my game room actually does a really nice job with the component inputs from my Wii and PS2 (covering PS1 and GCN games as well) and of course I've got an AVS on the way. That leaves Atari, SNES, N64, and (eventually, once we take it from my wife's parents, a) Genesis running through composite. I may eventually get an RGB to HDMI setup going for SNES and Genesis. I know there's an HDMI mod being developed for the N64 and I definitely want one of those. That would just leave the Atari with poor picture quality on my HDTV, and I can live with that.
They've also reached the bottom of the barrel price-wise and have broken through and left a long dark pit beneath the barrel. My first Trinitron was 25 in model that cost me $60. NExt was a 19 in for $10. Then a 13 in for $4. Yeah, I'll grant you that I was getting smaller one every time, but I've seen 20 inch units go for $2 in thrift stores now.
Also fwiw
25 in: gaming tv
19 in: test tv for my workshop
13 in: Workshop TV for when I actually want to, y'know, watch TV.
I totally get the CRT experience and all of that. I have a CRT setup as well for the Zapper and Punch-Out and stuff like that. But in my house the room with the HDTV is more comfortable and I think the picture I get out of my AV toploader is just fine. I think the AVS is going to look pretty nice as well though.
Come down to Buffalo man, I see them at thrift stores frequently. What is worse, I see them more frequently out at the curb. Trinitrons lining up for TV heaven (channel 46 back where I'm from ). I already have two, which someday be three, CRTs in the office, so I have to let them go. It is a shame every time, but getting the wife to agree to the ones that I already have was hard enough.
yeah right now I have two at my current house and one waiting at my parents house for when we get a bigger place. But I'd like to just have a closet full so whenever one breaks I can just pull another one out. All depends on when we move and how many I'm allowed to keep but yeah Buffalo ain't too far, maybe I will come down sometime, look for some games while I'm at it
I play my classic games on a CRT. I'm not at all interested in playing on an HDTV. Now, I'm not one of those toolsheds who goes around saying shit like, "the only true way to play the classics is on a CRT! HDTVs are shitty for old school graphics!! My hair is greasy even after I shower!!"
No, I know that a good HDTV can display classic games as well as any CRT. But still, I prefer CRTs for a few reasons:
- The cost - I paid $15 for my 32 in Trinitron
- The feel - I like to play games on original hardware. To me, the CRT is part of the package
- The simplicity - CRTs are mainly plug and play. No need to worry about crazy modern menu settings, lag adjustments, aspect ratio, etc.
How do you guys feel about it? Maybe you can share pics of your set up?This for me as well, but I have an AVS on the way. I think I'm gonna stick with the CRT for single player gaming experiences and use the AVS for when I have people over.
That said, I do miss being able to play Duck Hunt.
My setup:
that being said... my xbox one and ps4 are hooked up downstairs on the 4k 80''
Nothing beats that almost unaudible buzzing... CRT all the way, my dude
My setup:
that being said... my xbox one and ps4 are hooked up downstairs on the 4k 80''
Magnets in your speakers may mess up your CRT requiring degaussing.
Crt's all the way, unless someone makes a tv that can process older signals the correct way
That's kind of the problem, they are processing it correctly, and thats bad. 240p isn't a real video mode, it's a malformed 480i and tv makers cant seem to agree on how to process it. TV makers always gave gamers the shaft with their decisions.
Crt's all the way, unless someone makes a tv that can process older signals the correct way
That's kind of the problem, they are processing it correctly, and thats bad. 240p isn't a real video mode, it's a malformed 480i and tv makers cant seem to agree on how to process it. TV makers always gave gamers the shaft with their decisions.
They are not, Samsung and Sony have a few tvs that do but they do not have a standard across all of their tvs, same thing with Samsung they process it as 720x240 which is the best way you can process it on modern tvs. Retro vision hd has a list of tvs that process the 240p signal correctly but the amount of tvs is not that great, input lag on the other hand is a whole different issue. http://www.hdretrovision.com/240p/
Crt's all the way, unless someone makes a tv that can process older signals the correct way
That's kind of the problem, they are processing it correctly, and thats bad. 240p isn't a real video mode, it's a malformed 480i and tv makers cant seem to agree on how to process it. TV makers always gave gamers the shaft with their decisions.
Or more specifically, CRTs don't have fixed resolutions, so the "funky" resolutions of classic systems display with no problem, but need interpretation for fixed resolution displays, where all the problems come in.
that explains the slight color distortion in the upper right hand corner... thanks for lookin' out!
Move the speaker away, and turn the TV on and off several times. The initial "flash" when the set turns on is internal "degaussing" trying to self correct.
Crt's all the way, unless someone makes a tv that can process older signals the correct way
That's kind of the problem, they are processing it correctly, and thats bad. 240p isn't a real video mode, it's a malformed 480i and tv makers cant seem to agree on how to process it. TV makers always gave gamers the shaft with their decisions.
They are not, Samsung and Sony have a few tvs that do but they do not have a standard across all of their tvs, same thing with Samsung they process it as 720x240 which is the best way you can process it on modern tvs. Retro vision hd has a list of tvs that process the 240p signal correctly but the amount of tvs is not that great, input lag on the other hand is a whole different issue. http://www.hdretrovision.com/240p...
Not true, there isn't a 240p standard. If there was, it wouldn't be what we call 240p/ That link really agrees more with me, this is stuff I've been saying for years. What we call 240p is really 480i 30 FPS, but gamers call it 240p 60 fps because that's kind of how it acts, but what we call 240p isn't a true 240p since it wouldn't have scan lines. Each FIELD of a 480i FRAME has an offset, so it knows if it should draw the even or odd scanlines. On a "240p" image, it never adjusts this offset, so each field is drawn in the same place. This is a non-standard signal since each field should have a different offset, and some TVs just don't bother checking the offset or they "correct" this non-changing offset.
Because 240p only shows one set of fields, even or odd, that's why you have scanlines; CRTs themselves do not have scanlines like people think. Or rather, every line, black or full of picture, is a scan line If you watch TV for example, you have no scanlines because it's showing both the even and odd fields.
In a nutshell, 240p isn't 240p. It's 480 pixels high. Just every other line isn't drawn. The REAL 240p is a VGA res, which is what some of these devices are showing.
Edit: and if you ever see videos like on youtube labeled 240p, that's not the same 240p that your game console spits out.
I understand that 240p is not a standard but saying that modern tvs are processing 240p correctly when a bunch are not is just wrong, most modern tvs do not process analog signals correctly. Obviously when the switch to digital tvs very few companies made any real effort for processing composite and component analog signals correctly, 240p while not a standard in digital video was widely used in analog tvs granted both types of tvs operate differently. I dunno what the point was in bringing this whole thing into this thread was but like i said untill i can find a tv with no inputlag and can process 240p correctly, i will stick with CRT's.
Edit: i can not believe you think snes runs at 30fps by saying the 240p is really 480i 30fps. Ill stick with the expert on analog video over that anyday.