How come Dino Riki only gets only a 4 while Captain Skyhawk has a 6 and Abadox a 7?
Dino Riki is more than a 4. I thought that one was very hard?
I'm playing Ninja Gaiden 3 these days. Its definitely tougher than the first two. I'd say 8.
Nah dont be fooled. Once you have enough practice the game is fairly easy until the last stage (7). I dont think I can say its an 8, maybe a solid 7. Once I gave it some practice I was able to beat it relatively quickly. About a week, or two.
I took me also about 1 or 2 weeks while Abadox (a 7) took me one night (because it has unlimited continues).
We're talking Ninja Gaiden 3 now, and not Dino Riki, I assume?
I currently yesterday got to level 5 on Ninja Gaiden 3. I think the levels are tougher than Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2... I thought those games only started to get hard on the last two levels, while Ninja Gaiden 3 was a more of a struggle from the early stages. I think the 1 in difference is probably simply because Guitarzombie a better player than me.
I still think its an 8, and I think Ninja Gaiden 1 is a 7 and Ninja Gaiden 2 is a 6.5.
Guitarzombie: have you been planning to go back to Mutant Virus and work on the strategy again at some point? I thought I would be going back soon after I lucked out that one round and beat it, but ouch, it think it traumatized me...
How come Dino Riki only gets only a 4 while Captain Skyhawk has a 6 and Abadox a 7?
Dino Riki is more than a 4. I thought that one was very hard?
I'm playing Ninja Gaiden 3 these days. Its definitely tougher than the first two. I'd say 8.
Nah dont be fooled. Once you have enough practice the game is fairly easy until the last stage (7). I dont think I can say its an 8, maybe a solid 7. Once I gave it some practice I was able to beat it relatively quickly. About a week, or two.
I took me also about 1 or 2 weeks while Abadox (a 7) took me one night (because it has unlimited continues).
We're talking Ninja Gaiden 3 now, and not Dino Riki, I assume?
I currently yesterday got to level 5 on Ninja Gaiden 3. I think the levels are tougher than Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2... I thought those games only started to get hard on the last two levels, while Ninja Gaiden 3 was a more of a struggle from the early stages. I think the 1 in difference is probably simply because Guitarzombie a better player than me.
I still think its an 8, and I think Ninja Gaiden 1 is a 7 and Ninja Gaiden 2 is a 6.5.
Guitarzombie: have you been planning to go back to Mutant Virus and work on the strategy again at some point? I thought I would be going back soon after I lucked out that one round and beat it, but ouch, it think it traumatized me...
No I was talking Dino Riki but Ninja Gaiden 3 took me about the same to beat as that game.
If not for limited continues Ninja Gaiden 3 would be the easiest game in the trilogy IMO. Really great game BTW.
Guitarzombie: have you been planning to go back to Mutant Virus and work on the strategy again at some point? I thought I would be going back soon after I lucked out that one round and beat it, but ouch, it think it traumatized me...
Yes! But you have to use an emulator so you can replay the stages and strats. I didnt know you had your nes on for over a week haha. (BTW thats how people in the past have beaten it for the contest threads)
Guitarzombie: have you been planning to go back to Mutant Virus and work on the strategy again at some point? I thought I would be going back soon after I lucked out that one round and beat it, but ouch, it think it traumatized me...
Yes! But you have to use an emulator so you can replay the stages and strats. I didnt know you had your nes on for over a week haha. (BTW thats how people in the past have beaten it for the contest threads)
Yes, electric_wizard_666 beat it that way I think? He had the console on for a week or so, he said. I'll consider using an emulator, although I feel weird doing that after importing the game from the US and prefering playing games on consoles. I also heard the Mutant Virus rom can come with a virus.
The only setback with playing it on a console is when you beat level 4 not being able to go back to it, to re-test... I suppose I could solve that by trying not to beat it, or just reset. Level 1 to 3 are quite easy.
Guitarzombie: have you been planning to go back to Mutant Virus and work on the strategy again at some point? I thought I would be going back soon after I lucked out that one round and beat it, but ouch, it think it traumatized me...
Yes! But you have to use an emulator so you can replay the stages and strats. I didnt know you had your nes on for over a week haha. (BTW thats how people in the past have beaten it for the contest threads)
I'll consider using an emulator, although I feel weird doing that after importing the game from the US and prefering playing games on consoles.
Gosh. I'll come back to Mutant Virus in some form. Not sure if emulating the game makes more sense or not... I'm still sort of holding onto the theory that both on level 4 and 5 you can't really do them in any strategic chronological order, since the breakouts sort of makes it impossible to decide which rooms to choose freely. At least after the first three rooms when the breakouts starts you'll just have to fly around and stop them, and I would simply choose my next room to clean completely based on where I was. There's the thing about putting the right CMs in the right rooms though, and the Super Guns. Thats strategy. Still, I sort of feel its more of an action game than a puzzle game, although it combines both. You have to play well, quick and have some luck. I'm ready to be proven wrong though.
I still think Ninja Gaiden 3 is an 8. I still haven't beaten it, although I've been on level 7 now... It feels longer and more finnicky than the two earlier installments. I don't think its just the lack of unlimited continues, but I don't know.
This is a bit of a blog spoiler, but I am giving Archon a 3 while this list has it as a 5. I do think the game is tricky to judge on difficulty. Any thoughts on it?
This is a bit of a blog spoiler, but I am giving Archon a 3 while this list has it as a 5. I do think the game is tricky to judge on difficulty. Any thoughts on it?
What is your criteria on Archon?
A "full win" is definitely not a 3, just due to the last two rooms where I felt like I beat them on sheer luck.
Even the endurance required for a full win takes you up to a 5, IMO.
One round through the game, I'll agree to a 3, no problem.
This is a bit of a blog spoiler, but I am giving Archon a 3 while this list has it as a 5. I do think the game is tricky to judge on difficulty. Any thoughts on it?
What is your criteria on Archon?
A "full win" is definitely not a 3, just due to the last two rooms where I felt like I beat them on sheer luck.
Even the endurance required for a full win takes you up to a 5, IMO.
One round through the game, I'll agree to a 3, no problem.
All four is another matter entirely.
Ah, you are thinking of Arkista's Ring! Totally different discussion!
This is a bit of a blog spoiler, but I am giving Archon a 3 while this list has it as a 5. I do think the game is tricky to judge on difficulty. Any thoughts on it?
What is your criteria on Archon?
A "full win" is definitely not a 3, just due to the last two rooms where I felt like I beat them on sheer luck.
Even the endurance required for a full win takes you up to a 5, IMO.
One round through the game, I'll agree to a 3, no problem.
All four is another matter entirely.
Ah, you are thinking of Arkista's Ring! Totally different discussion!
Doh!!! Total brain fart when I read "Archon".
Yeah, that is one I have very little experience with, but I suspect our comparative puzzle mastery would parlay into that type of strategy game in a way that makes it easier-than-typical.
So, I've had a semi-goal in later life to beat all the NES games I played when I was a child, meaning both games I owned myself and games friends, games rented, etc. I think I have like 9 left now. Rockin's Kat was a "big one" in the sense that I actually owned it, making it extra nostalgic seeing it again. Its a fun little game, well made, but its a bit tricky to rate. The game itself actually is very easy. I beat it as a child, and I also beat it on my first playthrough now. There's a few spots that can be a bit tricky, due to the grab and swing mechanics, but generally its super-easy and probably a bit too nice on the player. Its down on the difficulty scale with Felix The Cat and Duck Tales. I'd say like a 4.0 out of 10. For a pretty experienced player perhaps even 3.0.
What makes it different is that the game does something strange I have never seen in any other NES game. After you beat the last boss, and the game and you watch the pretty long credit rolls if you're patient the last boss actually grants you a few extra-bonus levels. These are VERY hard. You also lose all your special weapons. I'm not sure if these levels are supposed to be included, as they are "hidden" bonus-stages, but these are tough. When I was a kid I never finished more than one or two of these, but I don't think I considered them part of the official game. These really push the limits of the unique game mechanics where you have to jump, swing and catch yourself all over. I managed to beat them now with a little practice and the use of some continues, but they are up there in 7.5/10 land. Luckily there aren't too many of these levels. Its like 5 and you then you have to do the last boss battle again. If you count these bonus levels Rockin' Kats probably is averaging around 7.0/10, but if you don't include them its 3.5-4.0/10.
I also eventually beat Ninja Gaiden 3. I still say the third game is a lot harder than Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2. Actually its probably one of the harder NES games I've played and beaten, if I'm honest. Its the last level 7 that is so hard. You have to play pretty flawlessly and there's a lot to memorize. Its definitely an 8 of 10, although I wouldn't protest an 8.5 or even a 9. The lack of unlimited continues makes it a lot harder, because simply finding patience to replay the whole game to get back to where you were I can imagine will test most players. I remember the last levels of Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 also being hard, but really, you can just beat them on persistence as you have unlimited chances. If they frustrate you you can just take a break, come back later. I'd say 8.5/10 for Ninja Gaiden 3.
I also beat Top Gun. Tough game, sigh.. I have to admit this game, although I kind of like some of the real time realistic thing with it, I also find it extremely tedious. Too tedious. Maybe I'm not used to flight simulater games, but this felt like sitting through church. Eventually I managed to understand how to land the plane and fill the gas pretty consistently, there's actually some logic to it... but those damn missiles from the front I will nominate as one of the most irritating and hardest foes in absolutely ANY NES game. I never found out how to consistently take them down. It usually felt like luck. You can choose to try to avoid them by flying away, or you can try to shoot them, but both options feels like a 50/50 chance.. and if you hesitate they'll hit you for sure. You also have 3 lives and no continues, so its pretty brutal for a game that is so molasses-like-slow, since a couple of missiles and a bad landing and you are wiped out quickly. I'd say 8 or 9 out of 10. Not sure. Its not a bad game, but I kind of hate it now. I really don't want to play the sequel.
I'm trying to beat Werewolf: The Last Warrior too. Surprisingly tough! I guess the whole jump with the B-button and attack with the A-button thing can be confusing, but it honestly didn't take me too long time to get used to. There's also the back flip jump which is mandatory but confusing to pull off at first. Its also strange because you can't see how many lives you have left. It sort of works more like you have 0 lives but 5 continues. I usually lose track of how many lives/continues I have left. The fire boss on Level 3 is very hard, but its the level 4 that is the end of me. For a game with so few lives its brutal to make a parkour level with annoying jumping foes where falling in the water is instant death.
Frankly, I always forget to mention the difficulty of a game when I beat it, so it always eludes me afterward when I see this thread. That said, I do specifically remember Back to the Future II and III because it took a LONG time. That said, it wasn't a terribly difficult game, aside from a few frustrating puzzle rooms that were more frustrating than hard. All in all, I'd say it's a solid 7, maybe 7.5 at the most. Unlimited continues definitely helps, and it really does need some sort of save feature, but if you are willing to sink in the time in one shot, or simply leave the system on pause when you want to do something else, it's not terribly difficult. Just long and frustrating.
Frankly, I always forget to mention the difficulty of a game when I beat it, so it always eludes me afterward when I see this thread. That said, I do specifically remember Back to the Future II and III because it took a LONG time. That said, it wasn't a terribly difficult game, aside from a few frustrating puzzle rooms that were more frustrating than hard. All in all, I'd say it's a solid 7, maybe 7.5 at the most. Unlimited continues definitely helps, and it really does need some sort of save feature, but if you are willing to sink in the time in one shot, or simply leave the system on pause when you want to do something else, it's not terribly difficult. Just long and frustrating.
You beat Mutant Virus, right? Is that a 9 or a 10 or something else in your book?
I always thought Back to the Future II and III looked frustrating. Never played it though.
Frankly, I always forget to mention the difficulty of a game when I beat it, so it always eludes me afterward when I see this thread. That said, I do specifically remember Back to the Future II and III because it took a LONG time. That said, it wasn't a terribly difficult game, aside from a few frustrating puzzle rooms that were more frustrating than hard. All in all, I'd say it's a solid 7, maybe 7.5 at the most. Unlimited continues definitely helps, and it really does need some sort of save feature, but if you are willing to sink in the time in one shot, or simply leave the system on pause when you want to do something else, it's not terribly difficult. Just long and frustrating.
You beat Mutant Virus, right? Is that a 9 or a 10 or something else in your book?
I always thought Back to the Future II and III looked frustrating. Never played it though.
Mutant Virus is probably the hardest game I've ever beaten, I'd definitely rank it high. I hate giving out 10s, but that one I think is rated fairly on the list. Even with unlimited continues (which I usually downgrade the difficulty for), it took an ungodly time for me to knock it out, and even then it was more just luck than anything. I love the game, but I'll never beat it a second time, that's for sure. 10 for sure.
As for BTTF II & III, it's not as bad as it looks. I played the crap out of it back in the day, not really getting anywhere. You definitely need to either make a map or find one online or you're going to wander aimlessly for ages. I would've ranked it lower if it weren't for that fact. But yeah, you get tons of lives and unlimited continues, and the platforming is fairly basic. Aside from a few tricky puzzle rooms, there isn't much in the game that I would consider difficult on it's own. If not for the map thing, I would've ranked it around a 5.
Mutant Virus is probably the hardest game I've ever beaten, I'd definitely rank it high. I hate giving out 10s, but that one I think is rated fairly on the list. Even with unlimited continues (which I usually downgrade the difficulty for), it took an ungodly time for me to knock it out, and even then it was more just luck than anything. I love the game, but I'll never beat it a second time, that's for sure. 10 for sure.
As for BTTF II & III, it's not as bad as it looks. I played the crap out of it back in the day, not really getting anywhere. You definitely need to either make a map or find one online or you're going to wander aimlessly for ages. I would've ranked it lower if it weren't for that fact. But yeah, you get tons of lives and unlimited continues, and the platforming is fairly basic. Aside from a few tricky puzzle rooms, there isn't much in the game that I would consider difficult on it's own. If not for the map thing, I would've ranked it around a 5.
BTTF II & III sounds interesting. I have to check it out some time. Yeah, I'm with you on Mutant Virus. Are there any other games on NES you'd consider a 10 besides that one?
Playing Starship Hector these days. It was listed as the second most difficult game on Electric Frankfurters list of difficult games, so I was curious how bad it was.
Yes, its possibly a 10. Definitely a 9. After playing it for around a week or so(just a few rounds every day though) I still am not close to beating it. The furthest I have seen is the middle of level 4, although I typically die on level 2 or 3. There's in total 6 levels, so its not an insanely long game at least.
Compared to Silver Surfer, the more 'famous' hard shoot-em-up, probably because of AVGN plus it being based on a superhero, I'd say Starship Hector is the tougher one. With Silver Sufer you get 3-4 lives + a few continues. Starship Hector on the other hands has no continues, and only three lives. You can get extra lives however if you get enough points. Silver Surfer also have check points which helps. Starship Hector does not. Silver Surfer on the other hand is one hit kill, while Starship Hector has an energy level, but it reminds me of Wizards & Warriors 2: Ironman. Its very unstable. Sometimes you only lose just some energy, but many enemies drain it in 1 or 2 hits.
What makes Starship Hector tough is really that there's some places where enemies just swarm the player. Its very easy to get unlucky even when you feel like you know the levels. Its pretty fun though, and I enjoy these types of games. If it had a few continues, a couple of lives more, and a check point at the middle of the level I think it would be a lot more balanced. Its not a very original game and it plays like many games like it, but it still is quite fun but only if you like a challenge.
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How come Dino Riki only gets only a 4 while Captain Skyhawk has a 6 and Abadox a 7?
Dino Riki is more than a 4. I thought that one was very hard?
I'm playing Ninja Gaiden 3 these days. Its definitely tougher than the first two. I'd say 8.
Nah dont be fooled. Once you have enough practice the game is fairly easy until the last stage (7). I dont think I can say its an 8, maybe a solid 7. Once I gave it some practice I was able to beat it relatively quickly. About a week, or two.
I took me also about 1 or 2 weeks while Abadox (a 7) took me one night (because it has unlimited continues).
We're talking Ninja Gaiden 3 now, and not Dino Riki, I assume?
I currently yesterday got to level 5 on Ninja Gaiden 3. I think the levels are tougher than Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2... I thought those games only started to get hard on the last two levels, while Ninja Gaiden 3 was a more of a struggle from the early stages. I think the 1 in difference is probably simply because Guitarzombie a better player than me.
I still think its an 8, and I think Ninja Gaiden 1 is a 7 and Ninja Gaiden 2 is a 6.5.
Guitarzombie: have you been planning to go back to Mutant Virus and work on the strategy again at some point? I thought I would be going back soon after I lucked out that one round and beat it, but ouch, it think it traumatized me...
How come Dino Riki only gets only a 4 while Captain Skyhawk has a 6 and Abadox a 7?
Dino Riki is more than a 4. I thought that one was very hard?
I'm playing Ninja Gaiden 3 these days. Its definitely tougher than the first two. I'd say 8.
Nah dont be fooled. Once you have enough practice the game is fairly easy until the last stage (7). I dont think I can say its an 8, maybe a solid 7. Once I gave it some practice I was able to beat it relatively quickly. About a week, or two.
I took me also about 1 or 2 weeks while Abadox (a 7) took me one night (because it has unlimited continues).
We're talking Ninja Gaiden 3 now, and not Dino Riki, I assume?
I currently yesterday got to level 5 on Ninja Gaiden 3. I think the levels are tougher than Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2... I thought those games only started to get hard on the last two levels, while Ninja Gaiden 3 was a more of a struggle from the early stages. I think the 1 in difference is probably simply because Guitarzombie a better player than me.
I still think its an 8, and I think Ninja Gaiden 1 is a 7 and Ninja Gaiden 2 is a 6.5.
Guitarzombie: have you been planning to go back to Mutant Virus and work on the strategy again at some point? I thought I would be going back soon after I lucked out that one round and beat it, but ouch, it think it traumatized me...
No I was talking Dino Riki but Ninja Gaiden 3 took me about the same to beat as that game.
If not for limited continues Ninja Gaiden 3 would be the easiest game in the trilogy IMO. Really great game BTW.
miracle piano
championship pool
ikari warriors (he beat this without ABBA code)
to the earth
high speed
destination earth
pc pro am
arkanoid
bump n jump
q-bert
Originally posted by: Svankmajer
Guitarzombie: have you been planning to go back to Mutant Virus and work on the strategy again at some point? I thought I would be going back soon after I lucked out that one round and beat it, but ouch, it think it traumatized me...
Yes! But you have to use an emulator so you can replay the stages and strats. I didnt know you had your nes on for over a week haha. (BTW thats how people in the past have beaten it for the contest threads)
Guitarzombie: have you been planning to go back to Mutant Virus and work on the strategy again at some point? I thought I would be going back soon after I lucked out that one round and beat it, but ouch, it think it traumatized me...
Yes! But you have to use an emulator so you can replay the stages and strats. I didnt know you had your nes on for over a week haha. (BTW thats how people in the past have beaten it for the contest threads)
Yes, electric_wizard_666 beat it that way I think? He had the console on for a week or so, he said. I'll consider using an emulator, although I feel weird doing that after importing the game from the US and prefering playing games on consoles. I also heard the Mutant Virus rom can come with a virus.
The only setback with playing it on a console is when you beat level 4 not being able to go back to it, to re-test... I suppose I could solve that by trying not to beat it, or just reset. Level 1 to 3 are quite easy.
a live streamer on twitch is playing and beating all NES games. he currently has beaten 665 of them. the hardest games he has beaten are:
miracle piano
championship pool
ikari warriors (he beat this without ABBA code)
to the earth
high speed
destination earth
pc pro am
arkanoid
bump n jump
q-bert
The Mexican Gamer, yes. Most of us know about him. He's on the forum too. He is mentioned earlier in the thread.
Arnpoly is also attempting to beat all the games. Quite a goal.
Originally posted by: Svankmajer
Originally posted by: guitarzombie
Originally posted by: Svankmajer
Guitarzombie: have you been planning to go back to Mutant Virus and work on the strategy again at some point? I thought I would be going back soon after I lucked out that one round and beat it, but ouch, it think it traumatized me...
Yes! But you have to use an emulator so you can replay the stages and strats. I didnt know you had your nes on for over a week haha. (BTW thats how people in the past have beaten it for the contest threads)
I'll consider using an emulator, although I feel weird doing that after importing the game from the US and prefering playing games on consoles.
But its for research?
But its for research?
Gosh. I'll come back to Mutant Virus in some form. Not sure if emulating the game makes more sense or not... I'm still sort of holding onto the theory that both on level 4 and 5 you can't really do them in any strategic chronological order, since the breakouts sort of makes it impossible to decide which rooms to choose freely. At least after the first three rooms when the breakouts starts you'll just have to fly around and stop them, and I would simply choose my next room to clean completely based on where I was. There's the thing about putting the right CMs in the right rooms though, and the Super Guns. Thats strategy. Still, I sort of feel its more of an action game than a puzzle game, although it combines both. You have to play well, quick and have some luck. I'm ready to be proven wrong though.
I still think Ninja Gaiden 3 is an 8. I still haven't beaten it, although I've been on level 7 now... It feels longer and more finnicky than the two earlier installments. I don't think its just the lack of unlimited continues, but I don't know.
This is a bit of a blog spoiler, but I am giving Archon a 3 while this list has it as a 5. I do think the game is tricky to judge on difficulty. Any thoughts on it?
What is your criteria on Archon?
A "full win" is definitely not a 3, just due to the last two rooms where I felt like I beat them on sheer luck.
Even the endurance required for a full win takes you up to a 5, IMO.
One round through the game, I'll agree to a 3, no problem.
All four is another matter entirely.
This is a bit of a blog spoiler, but I am giving Archon a 3 while this list has it as a 5. I do think the game is tricky to judge on difficulty. Any thoughts on it?
What is your criteria on Archon?
A "full win" is definitely not a 3, just due to the last two rooms where I felt like I beat them on sheer luck.
Even the endurance required for a full win takes you up to a 5, IMO.
One round through the game, I'll agree to a 3, no problem.
All four is another matter entirely.
Ah, you are thinking of Arkista's Ring! Totally different discussion!
This is a bit of a blog spoiler, but I am giving Archon a 3 while this list has it as a 5. I do think the game is tricky to judge on difficulty. Any thoughts on it?
What is your criteria on Archon?
A "full win" is definitely not a 3, just due to the last two rooms where I felt like I beat them on sheer luck.
Even the endurance required for a full win takes you up to a 5, IMO.
One round through the game, I'll agree to a 3, no problem.
All four is another matter entirely.
Ah, you are thinking of Arkista's Ring! Totally different discussion!
Doh!!! Total brain fart when I read "Archon".
Yeah, that is one I have very little experience with, but I suspect our comparative puzzle mastery would parlay into that type of strategy game in a way that makes it easier-than-typical.
What makes it different is that the game does something strange I have never seen in any other NES game. After you beat the last boss, and the game and you watch the pretty long credit rolls if you're patient the last boss actually grants you a few extra-bonus levels. These are VERY hard. You also lose all your special weapons. I'm not sure if these levels are supposed to be included, as they are "hidden" bonus-stages, but these are tough. When I was a kid I never finished more than one or two of these, but I don't think I considered them part of the official game. These really push the limits of the unique game mechanics where you have to jump, swing and catch yourself all over. I managed to beat them now with a little practice and the use of some continues, but they are up there in 7.5/10 land. Luckily there aren't too many of these levels. Its like 5 and you then you have to do the last boss battle again. If you count these bonus levels Rockin' Kats probably is averaging around 7.0/10, but if you don't include them its 3.5-4.0/10.
I also eventually beat Ninja Gaiden 3. I still say the third game is a lot harder than Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2. Actually its probably one of the harder NES games I've played and beaten, if I'm honest. Its the last level 7 that is so hard. You have to play pretty flawlessly and there's a lot to memorize. Its definitely an 8 of 10, although I wouldn't protest an 8.5 or even a 9. The lack of unlimited continues makes it a lot harder, because simply finding patience to replay the whole game to get back to where you were I can imagine will test most players. I remember the last levels of Ninja Gaiden 1 and 2 also being hard, but really, you can just beat them on persistence as you have unlimited chances. If they frustrate you you can just take a break, come back later. I'd say 8.5/10 for Ninja Gaiden 3.
I also beat Top Gun. Tough game, sigh.. I have to admit this game, although I kind of like some of the real time realistic thing with it, I also find it extremely tedious. Too tedious. Maybe I'm not used to flight simulater games, but this felt like sitting through church. Eventually I managed to understand how to land the plane and fill the gas pretty consistently, there's actually some logic to it... but those damn missiles from the front I will nominate as one of the most irritating and hardest foes in absolutely ANY NES game. I never found out how to consistently take them down. It usually felt like luck. You can choose to try to avoid them by flying away, or you can try to shoot them, but both options feels like a 50/50 chance.. and if you hesitate they'll hit you for sure. You also have 3 lives and no continues, so its pretty brutal for a game that is so molasses-like-slow, since a couple of missiles and a bad landing and you are wiped out quickly. I'd say 8 or 9 out of 10. Not sure. Its not a bad game, but I kind of hate it now. I really don't want to play the sequel.
I'm trying to beat Werewolf: The Last Warrior too. Surprisingly tough! I guess the whole jump with the B-button and attack with the A-button thing can be confusing, but it honestly didn't take me too long time to get used to. There's also the back flip jump which is mandatory but confusing to pull off at first. Its also strange because you can't see how many lives you have left. It sort of works more like you have 0 lives but 5 continues. I usually lose track of how many lives/continues I have left. The fire boss on Level 3 is very hard, but its the level 4 that is the end of me. For a game with so few lives its brutal to make a parkour level with annoying jumping foes where falling in the water is instant death.
Frankly, I always forget to mention the difficulty of a game when I beat it, so it always eludes me afterward when I see this thread. That said, I do specifically remember Back to the Future II and III because it took a LONG time. That said, it wasn't a terribly difficult game, aside from a few frustrating puzzle rooms that were more frustrating than hard. All in all, I'd say it's a solid 7, maybe 7.5 at the most. Unlimited continues definitely helps, and it really does need some sort of save feature, but if you are willing to sink in the time in one shot, or simply leave the system on pause when you want to do something else, it's not terribly difficult. Just long and frustrating.
You beat Mutant Virus, right? Is that a 9 or a 10 or something else in your book?
I always thought Back to the Future II and III looked frustrating. Never played it though.
Frankly, I always forget to mention the difficulty of a game when I beat it, so it always eludes me afterward when I see this thread. That said, I do specifically remember Back to the Future II and III because it took a LONG time. That said, it wasn't a terribly difficult game, aside from a few frustrating puzzle rooms that were more frustrating than hard. All in all, I'd say it's a solid 7, maybe 7.5 at the most. Unlimited continues definitely helps, and it really does need some sort of save feature, but if you are willing to sink in the time in one shot, or simply leave the system on pause when you want to do something else, it's not terribly difficult. Just long and frustrating.
You beat Mutant Virus, right? Is that a 9 or a 10 or something else in your book?
I always thought Back to the Future II and III looked frustrating. Never played it though.
Mutant Virus is probably the hardest game I've ever beaten, I'd definitely rank it high. I hate giving out 10s, but that one I think is rated fairly on the list. Even with unlimited continues (which I usually downgrade the difficulty for), it took an ungodly time for me to knock it out, and even then it was more just luck than anything. I love the game, but I'll never beat it a second time, that's for sure. 10 for sure.
As for BTTF II & III, it's not as bad as it looks. I played the crap out of it back in the day, not really getting anywhere. You definitely need to either make a map or find one online or you're going to wander aimlessly for ages. I would've ranked it lower if it weren't for that fact. But yeah, you get tons of lives and unlimited continues, and the platforming is fairly basic. Aside from a few tricky puzzle rooms, there isn't much in the game that I would consider difficult on it's own. If not for the map thing, I would've ranked it around a 5.
Mutant Virus is probably the hardest game I've ever beaten, I'd definitely rank it high. I hate giving out 10s, but that one I think is rated fairly on the list. Even with unlimited continues (which I usually downgrade the difficulty for), it took an ungodly time for me to knock it out, and even then it was more just luck than anything. I love the game, but I'll never beat it a second time, that's for sure. 10 for sure.
As for BTTF II & III, it's not as bad as it looks. I played the crap out of it back in the day, not really getting anywhere. You definitely need to either make a map or find one online or you're going to wander aimlessly for ages. I would've ranked it lower if it weren't for that fact. But yeah, you get tons of lives and unlimited continues, and the platforming is fairly basic. Aside from a few tricky puzzle rooms, there isn't much in the game that I would consider difficult on it's own. If not for the map thing, I would've ranked it around a 5.
BTTF II & III sounds interesting. I have to check it out some time. Yeah, I'm with you on Mutant Virus. Are there any other games on NES you'd consider a 10 besides that one?
Yes, its possibly a 10. Definitely a 9. After playing it for around a week or so(just a few rounds every day though) I still am not close to beating it. The furthest I have seen is the middle of level 4, although I typically die on level 2 or 3. There's in total 6 levels, so its not an insanely long game at least.
Compared to Silver Surfer, the more 'famous' hard shoot-em-up, probably because of AVGN plus it being based on a superhero, I'd say Starship Hector is the tougher one. With Silver Sufer you get 3-4 lives + a few continues. Starship Hector on the other hands has no continues, and only three lives. You can get extra lives however if you get enough points. Silver Surfer also have check points which helps. Starship Hector does not. Silver Surfer on the other hand is one hit kill, while Starship Hector has an energy level, but it reminds me of Wizards & Warriors 2: Ironman. Its very unstable. Sometimes you only lose just some energy, but many enemies drain it in 1 or 2 hits.
What makes Starship Hector tough is really that there's some places where enemies just swarm the player. Its very easy to get unlucky even when you feel like you know the levels. Its pretty fun though, and I enjoy these types of games. If it had a few continues, a couple of lives more, and a check point at the middle of the level I think it would be a lot more balanced. Its not a very original game and it plays like many games like it, but it still is quite fun but only if you like a challenge.