Has anyone been able to TKO/KO Tyson/Mr. Dream on an LCD TV??
We all know that there is some inherent input lag when it comes to playing games on an LCD TV. So with the recent release of the NES Mini, its gotten me really curious to know if anyone can actually get a TKO or KO on Tyson or Mr. Dream on a modern LCD TV.
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We all know that there is some inherent input lag when it comes to playing games on an LCD TV. So with the recent release of the NES Mini, its gotten me really curious to know if anyone can actually get a TKO or KO on Tyson or Mr. Dream on a modern LCD TV.
I might be able to if I play all the way through MTPO to get the timing down on the other guys. I thought I was doing okay when I got the Great Tiger TKO in the first round, but then I couldn't get Bald Bull's charge right.
This was on an AVS and I've only tried a couple times. First time it turned out I had a bad controller (took Glass Joe into the second round, and I can beat Tyson consistently on a tube TV/regular NES).
For the Mini, I'd think it would largely come down to the lag being introduced by your specific TV, more than any other factor.
I can no hit MTPO straight through and usually do so once a month. Before the AVS, I needed a CRT or emulator to accomplish this. I noticed the lag right away, but it didn't really come in to play until Soda Popinski.
I recently got a tube tv to try MTPO on, I can consistently make it to Soda on my LCD but I'm wondering if the lag is why I can't ever pass him. Very excited to try now!
I can no hit MTPO straight through and usually do so once a month. Before the AVS, I needed a CRT or emulator to accomplish this. I noticed the lag right away, but it didn't really come in to play until Soda Popinski.
I recently got a tube tv to try MTPO on, I can consistently make it to Soda on my LCD but I'm wondering if the lag is why I can't ever pass him. Very excited to try now!
Do you do the block/stars trick?
Switched over to the CRT and knocked him out on either the first or second try.
I can no hit MTPO straight through and usually do so once a month. Before the AVS, I needed a CRT or emulator to accomplish this. I noticed the lag right away, but it didn't really come in to play until Soda Popinski.
I recently got a tube tv to try MTPO on, I can consistently make it to Soda on my LCD but I'm wondering if the lag is why I can't ever pass him. Very excited to try now!
Do you do the block/stars trick?
I don't think so? I haven't tried to play through Punch Out in a while now. I definitely want to try again though!
I can no hit MTPO straight through and usually do so once a month. Before the AVS, I needed a CRT or emulator to accomplish this. I noticed the lag right away, but it didn't really come in to play until Soda Popinski.
I recently got a tube tv to try MTPO on, I can consistently make it to Soda on my LCD but I'm wondering if the lag is why I can't ever pass him. Very excited to try now!
Do you do the block/stars trick?
I don't think so? I haven't tried to play through Punch Out in a while now. I definitely want to try again though!
If you block when Soda is crouching to do an uppercut it freezes him and you can punch him for a star. Then hitting him with your star punch gets an instant knockdown. You can get two quick and easy knockdowns this way, before he starts to dodge your star punches.
Your random living room TV from Black Friday 6 years ago might have 75ms input lag, sure, but there are plenty of <1 frame LCD monitors now. Beatmania IIDX has maybe the most demanding timing windows and reaction-based gameplay of any game and the arcade machines have all been on LCDs for over a decade.
Your random living room TV from Black Friday 6 years ago might have 75ms input lag, sure, but there are plenty of <1 frame LCD monitors now.
That assumes a digital (HDMI) input. Analog 240p support is still poor and will likely never return.
Your random living room TV from Black Friday 6 years ago might have 75ms input lag, sure, but there are plenty of <1 frame LCD monitors now.
That assumes a digital (HDMI) input. Analog 240p support is still poor and will likely never return.
If someone would make an NES with digital HDMI output we would be golden then.
Originally posted by: Loxx O)))
I never knew that. I also never knew, until recently, that you could duck in the game.
Ha! I played this game hundreds of times since I was a kid, and I didn't know about this until a year or so ago, when I did it on accident, went "WTF just happened?" and got knocked out by Sandman.
Originally posted by: NESfiend
Wasn't part of the point of the NES Mini that the lag wouldn't be there on flat screens? I thought that was part of the incentive to buy it. I don't have a mini, but I can beat Tyson up and down on the old junk tv my NES is hooked up to. I've tried on retrons hooked up to flatscreens and can't even come close.
The lag is from the post processing of the video and sound signal, and is largely caused by your TV because of this. If you turn off all enhancements, it'll get better, but may not completely eliminate the lag. This became an issue for games that required critical timing (rockband and guitar/band/dj hero suffer horribly from this). The only true fix to this is to have a video and audio calibration in the software and have the software act accordingly with the calibration settings. If all TV's were made with the same exact specs, this wouldn't be an issue.
so very quickly:
1. I can get to Tyson with MAYBE one knockdown by Sandman on CRT
2. While facing Tyson on a CRT I can beat him in my first try around 70% of the time, otherwise it's always the second or third.
now onto my frustration with playing the game on HD
I have two HD tvs in my house, both are sonys and the latest one is an LED from 2013. My older one is an LCD from 2007. The input lag is such that on the few times I've made it to Tyson, I'm K.O.'d almost instantly. I've tried "game mode" and it doesn't seem to change much. I've never tried the NES mini but I doubt I would fare any better. I think this game was just designed to be played on a CRT and that's always how it will be