I concede defeat on shoot em ups

I played 1943 on NES for 6 hours today, and can't even get past the level 1 boss. I guess I just can't press the buttons fast enough in any of these games or don't have the spatial coordination or both. If I play a real challenging game like Starship Hector, I just get clobbered.



Anyway, I concede defeat.

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  • Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce



    I played 1943 on NES for 6 hours today, and can't even get past the level 1 boss. I guess I just can't press the buttons fast enough in any of these games or don't have the spatial coordination or both. If I play a real challenging game like Starship Hector, I just get clobbered.



    Anyway, I concede defeat.



    Keep practicing. Took me awhile but eventually I got good at them

     
  • Originally posted by: Megamanfan

     
    Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce



    I played 1943 on NES for 6 hours today, and can't even get past the level 1 boss. I guess I just can't press the buttons fast enough in any of these games or don't have the spatial coordination or both. If I play a real challenging game like Starship Hector, I just get clobbered.



    Anyway, I concede defeat.



    Keep practicing. Took me awhile but eventually I got good at them

     

    Dunno man. I can maybe crank out 3 or 4 button presses per second with my right thumb, and some of these guys on youtube not using turbo seem to be doing at least 7-8 consistently. That's a huge difference in how good you can ever get.



    I'm a lefty, so I have more speed over there, but it's wasted on the arrows in these games.



     
  • Try a different game?



    If you game on PC give this a spin:



  • If you are able to play something more recent, try Mushihimesama Futari.

    You just have to keep the button pressed, you don't need to keep pressing them all the time.
  • Dude.... get an NES Advantage.



    Only chumps play shooters with a regular controller, mashing buttons like a crazy person.



    Get an NES Advantage and use that turbo! Also, the joystick provides a great "flying" experience.



    I just posted this sentiment in another shoot em ups thread, but I would not love shooters as much without it. In fact, I doubt I would play any.
  • Well, yeah, I have one, but isn't it considered cheating to use turbo on these games?
  • Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce



    Well, yeah, I have one, but isn't it considered cheating to use turbo on these games?



    I'd say no.  Most shmups use "contant fire" these days.  

     
  • Yeah, I love Gun-Nac for that very reason. Plus it's just a kick ass game in general
  • Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce


    I'm a lefty, so I have more speed over there, but it's wasted on the arrows in these games.



     

    Being a lefty, you should check out this project by TotalRadNES over in the brewery. Might be right up your alley.

    Originally posted by: AirVillain

    Dude.... get an NES Advantage.



    Only chumps play shooters with a regular controller, mashing buttons like a crazy person.



    Get an NES Advantage and use that turbo! Also, the joystick provides a great "flying" experience.



    I just posted this sentiment in another shoot em ups thread, but I would not love shooters as much without it. In fact, I doubt I would play any.
    I love the Advantage for shmups but turbo defeats the ability of the charge shot in 1943. There's is a rapid fire weapon upgrade though.
  • Turbo controllers aren't allowed for the NA beat every NES game contest, which is why it seems like cheating to me to use them (and thus I'll never be able to beat some games for it).
  • Sorry, forgot the link. Here's the thread for the goofy foot controller by TotalRadNES.



    http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=22&threadid=169213
  • Originally posted by: JamesRobot

     
    Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce



    I'm a lefty, so I have more speed over there, but it's wasted on the arrows in these games.



     



    Being a lefty, you should check out this project by TotalRadNES over in the brewery. Might be right up your alley.
    Originally posted by: AirVillain



    Dude.... get an NES Advantage.



    Only chumps play shooters with a regular controller, mashing buttons like a crazy person.



    Get an NES Advantage and use that turbo! Also, the joystick provides a great "flying" experience.



    I just posted this sentiment in another shoot em ups thread, but I would not love shooters as much without it. In fact, I doubt I would play any.

    I love the Advantage for shmups but turbo defeats the ability of the charge shot in 1943. There's is a rapid fire weapon upgrade though.



    Oh yeah... didn't know that for 1943.



    I've had fun playing 1943, though, not sure if not being able to charge a shot hampered my abilities in the game, but I wasn't trying to get far or anything.



    Either way, even for some shoot em ups where the Advantage doesn't help, I just won't bother playing them.

     
  • Na Mang auto fire is not considered cheating, but practice does make perfect.



    I play verticle bullet hell games a lot and I'm not the best at it but I'm fairly good with some but I've not 1cc any, yet. My "thing" to do is study and learn my hit box and limitations, then watch for paths or "patterns" and try to remember I don't always have to shoot every damn thing that moves and just keep at it, usually I just go with scoring points and keep trying to beat that I rarely focus on what's going on on screen aside making my hit box not hit anything or get hit. Next thing I know I'm racking up points, dropping bosses, and before long I'm several levels in before I wipe clean out.
  • Another thing I noticed is I sucked at shooters when I played them on an upscaler like the XRGB mini. When I play shooters on a crt I am much better. I noticed this trend a lot when I was playing Gates of Thunder on the Turbografx. With most shooters it just takes practice and learning the game. I used to be horrible at R-TYpe and I could not stand the game. Once I gave it a chance and figured out how it works it's like a whole new game.
  • A lot of shooter purists will say you can't use turbo, but fuck that shit. Play the game how you want and have fun!
  • The NA beat every NES game in a year thread disallow turbo controllers. I sorta disagree with that ruling, even though I don't use turbo myself.

    The most important thing about games is having fun when playing them. And if turbo makes it more fun for you to play shooters, go for it.
  • I've said this before, but I think some games are better for turbo fire. Commando and Gunsmoke are both tons more fun with turbo, but still present plenty of challenge.
  • Don't use your thumb. With 1943 it's controller on lap + index finger



    ...also there is an upgrade that relieves the need to constantly hit fire
  • Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce

     
    Originally posted by: Megamanfan

     
    Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce



    I played 1943 on NES for 6 hours today, and can't even get past the level 1 boss. I guess I just can't press the buttons fast enough in any of these games or don't have the spatial coordination or both. If I play a real challenging game like Starship Hector, I just get clobbered.



    Anyway, I concede defeat.



    Keep practicing. Took me awhile but eventually I got good at them

     

    Dunno man. I can maybe crank out 3 or 4 button presses per second with my right thumb, and some of these guys on youtube not using turbo seem to be doing at least 7-8 consistently. That's a huge difference in how good you can ever get.



    I'm a lefty, so I have more speed over there, but it's wasted on the arrows in these games.



     



    Get a Beeshu Superstick; they have fire buttons on both sides of the stick to accomodate lefties.

     
  • Originally posted by: Brock Landers



    Don't use your thumb. With 1943 it's controller on lap + index finger



    ...also there is an upgrade that relieves the need to constantly hit fire



    Don't listen to this guy. The grinder is all thumbs and sandafloor has never posted a better score, than Kobra Kai, in a shoot em up....especially 1943. 

     
  • Focus more on navigation first. Then shooting. If you can avoid enemy fire and fire off a shot here and there you should be fine.
  • Originally posted by: Bea_Iank



    The NA beat every NES game in a year thread disallow turbo controllers. I sorta disagree with that ruling, even though I don't use turbo myself.

    The most important thing about games is having fun when playing them. And if turbo makes it more fun for you to play shooters, go for it.

    The Fester's Quest manual actually advises using Turbo, so the contest rules are conflicting  



     
  • Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a try after I beat 200 other NES games on and after January 1  
  • Originally posted by: ne$_pimp



    Focus more on navigation first. Then shooting. If you can avoid enemy fire and fire off a shot here and there you should be fine.

    This is really good advice.



    Once I get "into the zone" I end up just watching my sprites to make sure I'm not getting hit... then I just fire away like a madman.



     
  • Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce


    The Fester's Quest manual actually advises using Turbo, so the contest rules are conflicting  



     



    that's Interesting. I wonder why they wouldn't just program turbo into it then
  • Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce



    I played 1943 on NES for 6 hours today, and can't even get past the level 1 boss. I guess I just can't press the buttons fast enough in any of these games or don't have the spatial coordination or both. If I play a real challenging game like Starship Hector, I just get clobbered.



    Anyway, I concede defeat.



    I know a lot of people will argue this, but I firmly believe that button mashing is a skill. You can get better at it. Try vibrating your whole hand.



    BTW, everything in 1943 up to the final stage is easy compared to what you face there. One of the hardest stages in the entire NES library.
  • Originally posted by: scaryice

     
    Originally posted by: Daniel_Doyce



    I played 1943 on NES for 6 hours today, and can't even get past the level 1 boss. I guess I just can't press the buttons fast enough in any of these games or don't have the spatial coordination or both. If I play a real challenging game like Starship Hector, I just get clobbered.



    Anyway, I concede defeat.



    I know a lot of people will argue this, but I firmly believe that button mashing is a skill. You can get better at it. Try vibrating your whole hand.



    BTW, everything in 1943 up to the final stage is easy compared to what you face there. One of the hardest stages in the entire NES library.

    Maybe button mashing is a young man's game. I just turned 40, and an hour of that and I can really feel the arthritis in my future coming on.



    I can make it to level 3 now, but my hand just gives out even with the lap + index finger method. I wish I could eventually beat it with the NA contest "no turbo" rules, but it's not for me.



     
  • I've never been very good at them myself. I also don't really have the patience to ever get good at them. I was pretty good at Vangard on Atari 2600 when I was a kid, but I never really got hooked on any others.
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