It's because of the checklists. Other hobbies if people can't afford stuff they just don't buy it.. It's not people are trying to get
"every piece of art" or "every comic book".
With video games they have created this bogus concept that a "real" collector must be trying to get all the items on this checklist and you need to have everything on a checklist someone made before you have a "complete" set.
any other hobby where people are trying to complete sets will have the same complaining about hikes because there is a bunch of stuff that they don't actually feel is worth the cost that they feel like they still need to buy in order to have a complete collection.
That might be part of it but I think it's a smaller part? I know almost nothing about coin and card collecting but it's quite common to collect sets there too. Maybe not every card or coin ever (in the same way that few or non try for every video game ever), but subsets like say 1870-1910 quarters , or 1957 topps baseball, or whatever...
That might be part of it but I think it's a smaller part? I know almost nothing about coin and card collecting but it's quite common to collect sets there too. Maybe not every card or coin ever (in the same way that few or non try for every video game ever), but subsets like say 1870-1910 quarters , or 1957 topps baseball, or whatever...
baseball cards were all about sets. they had freaking checklists in the packs haha
I think there are 2 separate issues in regards to the topic thread:
1. Why are collectors (in general) whiny about prices?
2. Why are video game collectors (specifically) whiny about prices?
I think video game collecting scene, as a whole is much more widespread currently due to several factors:
1. nostalgic factor - people who have had a dose of nostalgia and now able to have the expendable income to buy up on those retro stuff.
2. as a consequence of nostalgia, and due to almost everyone being involved with video games in some form in the past, video games are now a huge collectible entity.
3. media, forums, Youtube hype/discussions; making collecting games as the "cool thing" in the current times, no longer seen as "for geeks only"
So what it boils down is that there are much more gaming collectors than other forms of collecting currently (mere speculation on my part, as I have no actual proof). If this is the case, then in relative terms, there would tend to be more "whiny" collectors compared with other fields of collecting. Also, as someone has mentioned, the games collecting is a relatively new hobby and prices are constantly changing on a weekly basis. So as buyer/reseller coming up with "fair" prices is actually not an easy feat. Due to this constant fluctuations, it's understandable in some ways people can be put off with building on their collection.
I collect a lot of things, and all collectors complain when prices go up. Why wouldnt you? Why would you want to keep paying more and more and more and more for a piece of plastic with zero intrinsic value outside of the collector circle youre in.
I think it's fine to talk about what is happening and even share some frustrations every now and then, but I guess what bothers me more than price increases, is the in-fighting and arguing among gamers and collectors who are all a part of this shared interest we have in video games. Everyone is always looking for someone to blame. And I've seen everything under the sun named as a party at fault -- youtubers, millenials, full-set collectors, speculators, ebayers, retro game stores, NintendoAge members, people who post rarity threads, people who talk about video games, people who buy video games, and the list goes on.
We are all 'at fault', in that we are all playing a small part in this market in some fashion. It isn't remotely possible to determine the exact impact of all of our individual actions, good and bad. We can't identify each person with a carbon footprint of sorts that accurately and definitively labels their impact on the community. And even if we could - then what? Attach a banner of shame to them?
People are frustrated with the rising prices of these collectibles, and are just lashing out and trying to place blame wherever possible. I understand the frustration. I don't expect people to be happy about it. I also don't expect us all to always come together in harmony and sing campfire songs together and live happily ever after. BUT, having said that, I wish we would stop pointing fingers at each-other and saying Party A or Party B or Party C is 'ruining the hobby.'
In terms of really analyzing what is going on, I think the challenge we face is that we have so many different types of people involved in this, each with different intentions and motivations. And each of those groups has every right to do what they are doing, regardless of whether other groups think it is just or moral or nice.
The thing we have to accept, is that there are people who are solely 'in this' to make money. They have realized there is profit potential to buying and selling games, and just like anything else, are continually figuring out new ways to make money. And there are also people who are gamers and collectors, who aren't solely in it to make money, but use their knowledge to make money, whether to buy more games to play or collect, or to pay their electric bill.
Since we can't control any of those people, and since the majority of us aren't breaking any laws or doing anything absolutely horrible or illegal, the only people I really feel at all compelled to fight against are true scammers and people who would steal from others and do the truly bad things. Even then there is really not a whole lot I can do, but at least we can come together as a community and band against that type of behavior.
I don't really have a concise point here or an answer to all the problems, but I just wish we would stop blaming each other and placing people into different buckets of gamers and comparing ourselves to those other buckets in order to make ourselves feel better or more 'pure.' I am no more 'pure' or better than a young, millenial youtuber who buys and sells some games for profit, uses VGA from time to time, collects games he doesn't ever play, etc. And what I may not ever see, is that there could be ways that said youtuber actually helps me out. Maybe I've been able to sell something for much more than I could have otherwise, because of interest gained from youtube folllowers.
If people want to vent about prices, that's fine - I get it. Sometimes we all get frustrated and just need to have a little rant. But please, can we all stop comparing ourselves to everyone else and shaming other behaviors to make ourselves feel better? We are all in this for different reasons, but rather than focus on all of those differences, most of us have a lot in common or shared interests in video games, and there is so much more to gain from exploring and discussing the things we enjoy, rather than the things we hate.
This question actually seems rather simple to me. It's not about the games or the market, it's not about the collectors or the resellers or the youtubers, it's about MONEY!
Money is, for better or worse, one of the most important and interesting aspects of modern life, and it will always be a hot topic of conversation where it intersects with our other interests.
It is certainly a relevant topic for this board, even if it gets annoying to see the same arguments and observations being regurgitated time and again. But it is categorically NOT the game that is of interest, it is the price that people care about.
People are talking about prices for games where age, condition, rarity etc. are not an issue. People talk about whether a certain indy game just released on steam should be 20 dollars or not, they talk about whether the latest AAA title is worth 60 when you need another 60 for the season pass to get the full experience... Just thank your lucky stars that our preferred niche of gaming doesn't suffer from microtransactions!
So whining, yes, commenting, yes, discussion, debate, endless talk! If people continue to care about money and to care about games, I'm afraid they will continue to care where these intersect!
The thing we have to accept, is that there are people who are solely 'in this' to make money. They have realized there is profit potential to buying and selling games, and just like anything else, are continually figuring out new ways to make money. And there are also people who are gamers and collectors, who aren't solely in it to make money, but use their knowledge to make money, whether to buy more games to play or collect, or to pay their electric bill.
Since we can't control any of those people, and since the majority of us aren't breaking any laws or doing anything absolutely horrible or illegal, the only people I really feel at all compelled to fight against are true scammers and people who would steal from others and do the truly bad things. Even then there is really not a whole lot I can do, but at least we can come together as a community and band against that type of behavior.
there are some people in it solely to make money, but I'd argue what we really have is a bell curve. Almost no one in it solely for the money, or solely to collect without any financial considerations whatsoever. And most people somewhere in the middle. They likely collecting but are also mindful of the money - will resell if the proceeds will advance their collections, for example.
What's my point... ehh.. not sure except that... I think its more 'us complaining about us' than 'us complaining about 'them'' because there are very few of 'them' (people in it without some appreciation of the material).
Yeah, I understand completely what you mean and I also agree. The bell curve analysis is a great one. As an example, some of the people who are really good at maximizing profit, have acquired a lot of gaming knowledge over the years about rarity, popularity, demand, etc., and are able to use that information to their advantage. And maybe they even love to play games too! Frankly, I don't have too much of a problem with that, as that is their prerogative.
My point isn't to portray two extremes, but really to talk about the fact that there are so many people involved here in so many different ways, and it's exhausting seeing so much negativity about how others act. Some people want to be part of a more exclusive club, and are seemingly perturbed that others have invaded "their" hobby. It isn't "my" hobby and there is no one definition of what the hobby is.
I like playing video games. I like collecting video games. I like talking about video games. I like reading about other people's experiences with video games. Sometimes I even like selling them for profit. For me, it ebbs and flows how much I'm playing versus collecting, talking versus selling, etc. It's a little bit of everything and it has changed over time.
That might be part of it but I think it's a smaller part? I know almost nothing about coin and card collecting but it's quite common to collect sets there too. Maybe not every card or coin ever (in the same way that few or non try for every video game ever), but subsets like say 1870-1910 quarters , or 1957 topps baseball, or whatever...
baseball cards were all about sets. they had freaking checklists in the packs haha
haha Yeah, nut they have like a thousand different sets, not one "north american" set that everyone fights over
If you like baseball cards or most other hobbies you simply don't collect the sets you can't afford. You collect them as they come out when they are cheap or you collect the expensive sets if you are rich.. You don't pick an expensive set and complain that you can't finish it, you just pick another set
Edit With NES games it's basically all or nothing.. You collect the expensive set or you are a wierdo pariah who collects pirate famicom games like me .
edit2: btw, prices are crazy low for super rare games! I love todays prices!
Edit With NES games it's basically all or nothing..
The NES set can be carved up just like any other hobby set can. For example, collecting three subsets: capcom, konami, and first party would make for a very satisfying and not that expensive collection.
Edit With NES games it's basically all or nothing..
The NES set can be carved up just like any other hobby set can. For example, collecting three subsets: capcom, konami, and first party would make for a very satisfying and not that expensive collection.
(Or, as you say, famicom).
I totally agree, it could be, but it just isn't. Instead we have what are basically "officially stamped" sets per region that most everyone accepts as the true sets and therefore everyone fights over, which is unlike other hobbies I would say. There isn't preventing you from going off map, but there *is* a map, and it's a map for collecting. Baseball cards, comics, etc will not have a map for collecting at all.
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change. I've kept an eye on comics collecting for 30 years. Every year people pay more to get less, and goals get adjusted along the way
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change. I've kept an eye on comics collecting for 30 years. Every year people pay more to get less, and goals get adjusted along the way
Pffft, I'm planning my trips to Bombay and Rhodesia as we speak.
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change.
Well, the NES licensed NA set is pretty consistent.
I could be wrong.. I just feel like I see a lot of people complaining as if they "have" to collect particular games that they don't even fricking want except to check them off a list.
Maybe I'm completely off. The other hobbies I have experience with are Magic the gathering and comics..
Magic people always complain that Wizard is wrecking their old cards they spent a fortune on and comics everyone always complains that the comics they bought have gone down..
no one complains about prices going up because most collectors who frequent forums must tend to buy in early I guess
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change. I've kept an eye on comics collecting for 30 years. Every year people pay more to get less, and goals get adjusted along the way
Pffft, I'm planning my trips to Bombay and Rhodesia as we speak.
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change.
Well, the NES licensed NA set is pretty consistent.
I could be wrong.. I just feel like I see a lot of people complaining as if they "have" to collect particular games that they don't even fricking want except to check them off a list.
Maybe I'm completely off. The other hobbies I have experience with are Magic the gathering and comics..
Magic people always complain that Wizard is wrecking their old cards they spent a fortune on and comics everyone always complains that the comics they bought have gone down..
no one complains about prices going up because most collectors who frequent forums must tend to buy in early I guess
I guess it depends as there isn't 'one market' in those hobbies either. The older in demand stuff continues to rise
collecting a NES set is something like collecting the alpha set. What's wrong with collecting revised?
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change.
Well, the NES licensed NA set is pretty consistent.
I could be wrong.. I just feel like I see a lot of people complaining as if they "have" to collect particular games that they don't even fricking want except to check them off a list.
Maybe I'm completely off. The other hobbies I have experience with are Magic the gathering and comics..
Magic people always complain that Wizard is wrecking their old cards they spent a fortune on and comics everyone always complains that the comics they bought have gone down..
no one complains about prices going up because most collectors who frequent forums must tend to buy in early I guess
I guess it depends as there isn't 'one market' in those hobbies either. The older in demand stuff continues to rise
It does, but I think it's out not on new collectors radar.. You don't get into comics planning on buying old comics.. only rich investors buy old comics
That's just not accurate. Lots of guys just like to collect. I've met so many guys over the years that are just lifers . In fact the guys that get in and then fairly quickly get out tend to be the ones that lose money . Just like with games.
and just like with games when someone pays a high price for something, whatever dollar level that means, there's a whole host of ways that might be paid for. Some guys are just loaded and write a cheque. Some guys save to buy. Some guys pay over time. Some guys get into debt. Some guys sell other comics to pay for the new buy.
People are people and whatever the price point the situations often have a lot more in common than you would think. Yes as prices go up you need more cash to enter certain fields but that's the beauty - there's always something else? NES or SNES got you down? Many alternative platforms to collect for, if a set is what you have to have. To me there's absolutely nothing inherently different about games collecting. People have just been spoiled by previous low prices and want to blame others for higher prices.
That's just not accurate. Lots of guys just like to collect. I've met so many guys over the years that are just lifers .
Lots of guys like to collect for sure, but none of them are planning to ever have a complete set of batman or superman comics, it's just not realistic. The big name sets are all untainable to collectors and you know that going in. Even for the ones that aren't completely unatainable, you don't have a bunch of new people jumping into the hobbie who suddenly decide they want all the expensive old comics like you have with video games
That's just not accurate. Lots of guys just like to collect. I've met so many guys over the years that are just lifers .
Lots of guys like to collect for sure, but none of them are planning to ever have a complete set of batman or superman comics, it's just not realistic. The big name sets are all untainable to collectors and you know that going in. Even for the ones that aren't completely unatainable, you don't have a bunch of new people jumping into the hobbie who suddenly decide they want all the expensive old comics like you have with video games
You know what I think? Generally speaking I think most of the people that chirp the loudest were never going for a full set in the first place.
And if prices dropped, they'd be selling not buying.
Don't get me wrong I understand your point, but if you're suggesting people being hung up on full sets is the main reason, I just think there's more to it is my two cents.
25 years ago everything was cheap. Often when I went to the flee market etc my only real limitation was how much I could carry and/or fit into my car.
Today there are still cheap video games to be had but these days when new collectors pop up they only want the games that everyone else wants. Then these same guys complain that prices are high on the popular games because everyone wants them.
Speaking of selling, from your personal experience how many people of the non full set people vs full set people do you believe have burned out and sold everything or most of everything off Bronty?
This includes all console people you have heard or know about.
That's just not accurate. Lots of guys just like to collect. I've met so many guys over the years that are just lifers .
Lots of guys like to collect for sure, but none of them are planning to ever have a complete set of batman or superman comics, it's just not realistic. The big name sets are all untainable to collectors and you know that going in. Even for the ones that aren't completely unatainable, you don't have a bunch of new people jumping into the hobbie who suddenly decide they want all the expensive old comics like you have with video games
You know what I think? Generally speaking I think most of the people that chirp the loudest were never going for a full set in the first place.
And if prices dropped, they'd be selling not buying.
either way they could at least look 2 threads down and joing the last whiner instead of always starting a new thread haha
I think the issue that I have with it is that there is seemingly no rhyme or reason to changes in the market. A game could be cheap as dirt for years then inexplicably in the span of a month shoot up for no good reason whatsoever. There are lots of legitimately rare titles that aren't expensive, games that sold millions of copies that sell for $40+, games that are horrible pieces of shit like Wayne's World on NES that serve no value to anyone but the most dedicated of completionists that sell for over $100. None of it makes any sense to me. I think the other frustration is that the market is still manipulated and controlled by resellers who have absolutely no stake in the hobby other than to make a quick buck.
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I'd think game collecting is somewhat unique amongst collectibles in that some significant number of people buy SOME games to actually play them.
Nobody is buying rare comic books to actually read them, because they don't want to fuck up the condition.
Nobody is buying vintage toys to actually play with them.
Nobody is collecting stamps or coins to actually use them.
Baseball cards are good for fuck-all.
I think the potential utility of the games definitely shifts how people feel about CERTAIN titles and pricing.
Definitely doesn't directly account for people complaining about pricing on shit-to-play games, though.
"every piece of art" or "every comic book".
With video games they have created this bogus concept that a "real" collector must be trying to get all the items on this checklist and you need to have everything on a checklist someone made before you have a "complete" set.
any other hobby where people are trying to complete sets will have the same complaining about hikes because there is a bunch of stuff that they don't actually feel is worth the cost that they feel like they still need to buy in order to have a complete collection.
That might be part of it but I think it's a smaller part? I know almost nothing about coin and card collecting but it's quite common to collect sets there too. Maybe not every card or coin ever (in the same way that few or non try for every video game ever), but subsets like say 1870-1910 quarters , or 1957 topps baseball, or whatever...
baseball cards were all about sets. they had freaking checklists in the packs haha
1. Why are collectors (in general) whiny about prices?
2. Why are video game collectors (specifically) whiny about prices?
I think video game collecting scene, as a whole is much more widespread currently due to several factors:
1. nostalgic factor - people who have had a dose of nostalgia and now able to have the expendable income to buy up on those retro stuff.
2. as a consequence of nostalgia, and due to almost everyone being involved with video games in some form in the past, video games are now a huge collectible entity.
3. media, forums, Youtube hype/discussions; making collecting games as the "cool thing" in the current times, no longer seen as "for geeks only"
So what it boils down is that there are much more gaming collectors than other forms of collecting currently (mere speculation on my part, as I have no actual proof). If this is the case, then in relative terms, there would tend to be more "whiny" collectors compared with other fields of collecting. Also, as someone has mentioned, the games collecting is a relatively new hobby and prices are constantly changing on a weekly basis. So as buyer/reseller coming up with "fair" prices is actually not an easy feat. Due to this constant fluctuations, it's understandable in some ways people can be put off with building on their collection.
We are all 'at fault', in that we are all playing a small part in this market in some fashion. It isn't remotely possible to determine the exact impact of all of our individual actions, good and bad. We can't identify each person with a carbon footprint of sorts that accurately and definitively labels their impact on the community. And even if we could - then what? Attach a banner of shame to them?
People are frustrated with the rising prices of these collectibles, and are just lashing out and trying to place blame wherever possible. I understand the frustration. I don't expect people to be happy about it. I also don't expect us all to always come together in harmony and sing campfire songs together and live happily ever after. BUT, having said that, I wish we would stop pointing fingers at each-other and saying Party A or Party B or Party C is 'ruining the hobby.'
In terms of really analyzing what is going on, I think the challenge we face is that we have so many different types of people involved in this, each with different intentions and motivations. And each of those groups has every right to do what they are doing, regardless of whether other groups think it is just or moral or nice.
The thing we have to accept, is that there are people who are solely 'in this' to make money. They have realized there is profit potential to buying and selling games, and just like anything else, are continually figuring out new ways to make money. And there are also people who are gamers and collectors, who aren't solely in it to make money, but use their knowledge to make money, whether to buy more games to play or collect, or to pay their electric bill.
Since we can't control any of those people, and since the majority of us aren't breaking any laws or doing anything absolutely horrible or illegal, the only people I really feel at all compelled to fight against are true scammers and people who would steal from others and do the truly bad things. Even then there is really not a whole lot I can do, but at least we can come together as a community and band against that type of behavior.
I don't really have a concise point here or an answer to all the problems, but I just wish we would stop blaming each other and placing people into different buckets of gamers and comparing ourselves to those other buckets in order to make ourselves feel better or more 'pure.' I am no more 'pure' or better than a young, millenial youtuber who buys and sells some games for profit, uses VGA from time to time, collects games he doesn't ever play, etc. And what I may not ever see, is that there could be ways that said youtuber actually helps me out. Maybe I've been able to sell something for much more than I could have otherwise, because of interest gained from youtube folllowers.
If people want to vent about prices, that's fine - I get it. Sometimes we all get frustrated and just need to have a little rant. But please, can we all stop comparing ourselves to everyone else and shaming other behaviors to make ourselves feel better? We are all in this for different reasons, but rather than focus on all of those differences, most of us have a lot in common or shared interests in video games, and there is so much more to gain from exploring and discussing the things we enjoy, rather than the things we hate.
- If you "want" something work, save, and earn it. If not, maybe you don't really "want" it?
- It's hypocritical to call someone an evil reseller, unless you yourself sell at or below cost.
- You can't argue with stupid.
Money is, for better or worse, one of the most important and interesting aspects of modern life, and it will always be a hot topic of conversation where it intersects with our other interests.
It is certainly a relevant topic for this board, even if it gets annoying to see the same arguments and observations being regurgitated time and again. But it is categorically NOT the game that is of interest, it is the price that people care about.
People are talking about prices for games where age, condition, rarity etc. are not an issue. People talk about whether a certain indy game just released on steam should be 20 dollars or not, they talk about whether the latest AAA title is worth 60 when you need another 60 for the season pass to get the full experience... Just thank your lucky stars that our preferred niche of gaming doesn't suffer from microtransactions!
So whining, yes, commenting, yes, discussion, debate, endless talk! If people continue to care about money and to care about games, I'm afraid they will continue to care where these intersect!
Also, what sadikyo said is pretty spot on too.
He usually is.
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The thing we have to accept, is that there are people who are solely 'in this' to make money. They have realized there is profit potential to buying and selling games, and just like anything else, are continually figuring out new ways to make money. And there are also people who are gamers and collectors, who aren't solely in it to make money, but use their knowledge to make money, whether to buy more games to play or collect, or to pay their electric bill.
Since we can't control any of those people, and since the majority of us aren't breaking any laws or doing anything absolutely horrible or illegal, the only people I really feel at all compelled to fight against are true scammers and people who would steal from others and do the truly bad things. Even then there is really not a whole lot I can do, but at least we can come together as a community and band against that type of behavior.
there are some people in it solely to make money, but I'd argue what we really have is a bell curve. Almost no one in it solely for the money, or solely to collect without any financial considerations whatsoever. And most people somewhere in the middle. They likely collecting but are also mindful of the money - will resell if the proceeds will advance their collections, for example.
What's my point... ehh.. not sure except that... I think its more 'us complaining about us' than 'us complaining about 'them'' because there are very few of 'them' (people in it without some appreciation of the material).
My point isn't to portray two extremes, but really to talk about the fact that there are so many people involved here in so many different ways, and it's exhausting seeing so much negativity about how others act. Some people want to be part of a more exclusive club, and are seemingly perturbed that others have invaded "their" hobby. It isn't "my" hobby and there is no one definition of what the hobby is.
I like playing video games. I like collecting video games. I like talking about video games. I like reading about other people's experiences with video games. Sometimes I even like selling them for profit. For me, it ebbs and flows how much I'm playing versus collecting, talking versus selling, etc. It's a little bit of everything and it has changed over time.
That might be part of it but I think it's a smaller part? I know almost nothing about coin and card collecting but it's quite common to collect sets there too. Maybe not every card or coin ever (in the same way that few or non try for every video game ever), but subsets like say 1870-1910 quarters , or 1957 topps baseball, or whatever...
baseball cards were all about sets. they had freaking checklists in the packs haha
haha Yeah, nut they have like a thousand different sets, not one "north american" set that everyone fights over
If you like baseball cards or most other hobbies you simply don't collect the sets you can't afford. You collect them as they come out when they are cheap or you collect the expensive sets if you are rich.. You don't pick an expensive set and complain that you can't finish it, you just pick another set
Edit With NES games it's basically all or nothing.. You collect the expensive set or you are a wierdo pariah who collects pirate famicom games like me .
edit2: btw, prices are crazy low for super rare games! I love todays prices!
Edit With NES games it's basically all or nothing..
The NES set can be carved up just like any other hobby set can. For example, collecting three subsets: capcom, konami, and first party would make for a very satisfying and not that expensive collection.
(Or, as you say, famicom).
Edit With NES games it's basically all or nothing..
The NES set can be carved up just like any other hobby set can. For example, collecting three subsets: capcom, konami, and first party would make for a very satisfying and not that expensive collection.
(Or, as you say, famicom).
I totally agree, it could be, but it just isn't. Instead we have what are basically "officially stamped" sets per region that most everyone accepts as the true sets and therefore everyone fights over, which is unlike other hobbies I would say. There isn't preventing you from going off map, but there *is* a map, and it's a map for collecting. Baseball cards, comics, etc will not have a map for collecting at all.
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change. I've kept an eye on comics collecting for 30 years. Every year people pay more to get less, and goals get adjusted along the way
Pffft, I'm planning my trips to Bombay and Rhodesia as we speak.
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change.
Well, the NES licensed NA set is pretty consistent.
I could be wrong.. I just feel like I see a lot of people complaining as if they "have" to collect particular games that they don't even fricking want except to check them off a list.
Maybe I'm completely off. The other hobbies I have experience with are Magic the gathering and comics..
Magic people always complain that Wizard is wrecking their old cards they spent a fortune on and comics everyone always complains that the comics they bought have gone down..
no one complains about prices going up because most collectors who frequent forums must tend to buy in early I guess
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change. I've kept an eye on comics collecting for 30 years. Every year people pay more to get less, and goals get adjusted along the way
Pffft, I'm planning my trips to Bombay and Rhodesia as we speak.
Lol!!
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change.
Well, the NES licensed NA set is pretty consistent.
I could be wrong.. I just feel like I see a lot of people complaining as if they "have" to collect particular games that they don't even fricking want except to check them off a list.
Maybe I'm completely off. The other hobbies I have experience with are Magic the gathering and comics..
Magic people always complain that Wizard is wrecking their old cards they spent a fortune on and comics everyone always complains that the comics they bought have gone down..
no one complains about prices going up because most collectors who frequent forums must tend to buy in early I guess
I guess it depends as there isn't 'one market' in those hobbies either. The older in demand stuff continues to rise
collecting a NES set is something like collecting the alpha set. What's wrong with collecting revised?
Maps are transitory. Prices rise or availability shrinks, maps change.
Well, the NES licensed NA set is pretty consistent.
I could be wrong.. I just feel like I see a lot of people complaining as if they "have" to collect particular games that they don't even fricking want except to check them off a list.
Maybe I'm completely off. The other hobbies I have experience with are Magic the gathering and comics..
Magic people always complain that Wizard is wrecking their old cards they spent a fortune on and comics everyone always complains that the comics they bought have gone down..
no one complains about prices going up because most collectors who frequent forums must tend to buy in early I guess
I guess it depends as there isn't 'one market' in those hobbies either. The older in demand stuff continues to rise
It does, but I think it's out not on new collectors radar.. You don't get into comics planning on buying old comics.. only rich investors buy old comics
and just like with games when someone pays a high price for something, whatever dollar level that means, there's a whole host of ways that might be paid for. Some guys are just loaded and write a cheque. Some guys save to buy. Some guys pay over time. Some guys get into debt. Some guys sell other comics to pay for the new buy.
People are people and whatever the price point the situations often have a lot more in common than you would think. Yes as prices go up you need more cash to enter certain fields but that's the beauty - there's always something else? NES or SNES got you down? Many alternative platforms to collect for, if a set is what you have to have. To me there's absolutely nothing inherently different about games collecting. People have just been spoiled by previous low prices and want to blame others for higher prices.
That's just not accurate. Lots of guys just like to collect. I've met so many guys over the years that are just lifers .
Lots of guys like to collect for sure, but none of them are planning to ever have a complete set of batman or superman comics, it's just not realistic. The big name sets are all untainable to collectors and you know that going in. Even for the ones that aren't completely unatainable, you don't have a bunch of new people jumping into the hobbie who suddenly decide they want all the expensive old comics like you have with video games
That's just not accurate. Lots of guys just like to collect. I've met so many guys over the years that are just lifers .
Lots of guys like to collect for sure, but none of them are planning to ever have a complete set of batman or superman comics, it's just not realistic. The big name sets are all untainable to collectors and you know that going in. Even for the ones that aren't completely unatainable, you don't have a bunch of new people jumping into the hobbie who suddenly decide they want all the expensive old comics like you have with video games
You know what I think? Generally speaking I think most of the people that chirp the loudest were never going for a full set in the first place.
And if prices dropped, they'd be selling not buying.
Today there are still cheap video games to be had but these days when new collectors pop up they only want the games that everyone else wants. Then these same guys complain that prices are high on the popular games because everyone wants them.
This includes all console people you have heard or know about.
That's just not accurate. Lots of guys just like to collect. I've met so many guys over the years that are just lifers .
Lots of guys like to collect for sure, but none of them are planning to ever have a complete set of batman or superman comics, it's just not realistic. The big name sets are all untainable to collectors and you know that going in. Even for the ones that aren't completely unatainable, you don't have a bunch of new people jumping into the hobbie who suddenly decide they want all the expensive old comics like you have with video games
You know what I think? Generally speaking I think most of the people that chirp the loudest were never going for a full set in the first place.
And if prices dropped, they'd be selling not buying.
either way they could at least look 2 threads down and joing the last whiner instead of always starting a new thread haha