Why no HDMI SNES Clones?
It seems people go through a lot of trouble making these HDMI NES Clones. From the $40 R1 HD to the $500 NT and everything in between. But why is there no love from the SNES, or the Sega or SMS for that matter? All of those consoles are super iconic, so where are those HDMI conoles?
I know we have the R5, but man that thing was/is a pile.
I know we have the R5, but man that thing was/is a pile.
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Genesis is a good question. SMS probably doesn't have the mass market appeal.
For native HDMI consoles instead of shitty converters or buggy emulators, the SNES has no digital video out (can't do NESRGB or NT style translation), and the system is 10x the complexity of the NES (far harder to do AVS or NT mini FPGA design) with much less of it documented well. Genesis has the same complexity problem from the 68k processor. They will still come out eventually but the number of people with the skills+time+motivation is probably around 3.
things scale up pretty quickly once you hit 16bit territory. there's a guy at nesdev documenting his work on a snes fpga implementation. so that one might be the next viable candidate.
So how do the FC twins work with the SNES or those portable yobo/retron SNES systems that use the cartridge. With the ability for those to be so cheaply produce, couldnt they just slap on a cheap HDMI upscaler the likes of the new R1HD?
Sure, if you don't give a crap about how the game looks and sounds.
So how do the FC twins work with the SNES or those portable yobo/retron SNES systems that use the cartridge. With the ability for those to be so cheaply produce, couldnt they just slap on a cheap HDMI upscaler the likes of the new R1HD?
Sure, if you don't give a crap about how the game looks and sounds.
Well, what I am getting at with my post is why hasnt that been done my anyone yet? I mean, if it can be done, and produce cheaply, someone will buy it. Look at the R1HD. That thing is sold out everywhere and now being scalped for double the price. Seems like it would have some sort of financial value to do that with an SNES or Sega.
Well, what I am getting at with my post is why hasnt that been done my anyone yet? I mean, if it can be done, and produce cheaply, someone will buy it. Look at the R1HD. That thing is sold out everywhere and now being scalped for double the price. Seems like it would have some sort of financial value to do that with an SNES or Sega.
Well, the non-HDMI NES only clones were out for a while before the ones that did SNES and Genesis hit the market. The Retron 1 HD and the GamerzTek ones just came out, so the SNES and Genesis ones are probably in the pipeline.
Not that it matters. $40 or so only gets you a cheap, mass produced chip and a cheap HDMI converter. I bet they choke on SuperFX chips.
Overall bunnyboy is right and whoever does these projects can expect to take year's off of their life, for perfection and a stable product.
So how do the FC twins work with the SNES or those portable yobo/retron SNES systems that use the cartridge. With the ability for those to be so cheaply produce, couldnt they just slap on a cheap HDMI upscaler the likes of the new R1HD?
Your TV already does that. Also, anyone can buy a composite to HDMI adapter. Also, they suck.
They are so not even remotely the same as what Hi-Def NES, AVS, Analog NT Mini, etc do that I normally wouldn't mention them together. Slapping an adapter in the console to save you a trip to Radio Shack is simply not something worth paying extra for... or anticipating.
I do hotly anticipate VeriSNES (SNES on an FPGA).
So how do the FC twins work with the SNES or those portable yobo/retron SNES systems that use the cartridge. With the ability for those to be so cheaply produce, couldnt they just slap on a cheap HDMI upscaler the likes of the new R1HD?
Your TV already does that. Also, anyone can buy a composite to HDMI adapter. Also, they suck.
They are so not even remotely the same as what Hi-Def NES, AVS, Analog NT Mini, etc do that I normally wouldn't mention them together. Slapping an adapter in the console to save you a trip to Radio Shack is simply not something worth paying extra for... or anticipating.
I do hotly anticipate VeriSNES (SNES on an FPGA).
Just seems like if it could be done it would be done given the cheap clone garbage that is pumped out all the time. That was the intention if my question really. Why has no one taken the time to make anything, even if cheap crap, that is and HDMI SNES or sega clone.
So how do the FC twins work with the SNES or those portable yobo/retron SNES systems that use the cartridge. With the ability for those to be so cheaply produce, couldnt they just slap on a cheap HDMI upscaler the likes of the new R1HD?
Your TV already does that. Also, anyone can buy a composite to HDMI adapter. Also, they suck.
They are so not even remotely the same as what Hi-Def NES, AVS, Analog NT Mini, etc do that I normally wouldn't mention them together. Slapping an adapter in the console to save you a trip to Radio Shack is simply not something worth paying extra for... or anticipating.
I do hotly anticipate VeriSNES (SNES on an FPGA).
Just seems like if it could be done it would be done given the cheap clone garbage that is pumped out all the time. That was the intention if my question really. Why has no one taken the time to make anything, even if cheap crap, that is and HDMI SNES or sega clone.
VeriSNES is exactly what you're looking for. It's the same kind of thing as the AVS and Analog NT Mini and it seems to be coming along nicely.
So how do the FC twins work with the SNES or those portable yobo/retron SNES systems that use the cartridge. With the ability for those to be so cheaply produce, couldnt they just slap on a cheap HDMI upscaler the likes of the new R1HD?
Your TV already does that. Also, anyone can buy a composite to HDMI adapter. Also, they suck.
They are so not even remotely the same as what Hi-Def NES, AVS, Analog NT Mini, etc do that I normally wouldn't mention them together. Slapping an adapter in the console to save you a trip to Radio Shack is simply not something worth paying extra for... or anticipating.
I do hotly anticipate VeriSNES (SNES on an FPGA).
Just seems like if it could be done it would be done given the cheap clone garbage that is pumped out all the time. That was the intention if my question really. Why has no one taken the time to make anything, even if cheap crap, that is and HDMI SNES or sega clone.
VeriSNES is exactly what you're looking for. It's the same kind of thing as the AVS and Analog NT Mini and it seems to be coming along nicely.
I'm not looking for anything, I'm just asking why
So how do the FC twins work with the SNES or those portable yobo/retron SNES systems that use the cartridge. With the ability for those to be so cheaply produce, couldnt they just slap on a cheap HDMI upscaler the likes of the new R1HD?
Your TV already does that. Also, anyone can buy a composite to HDMI adapter. Also, they suck.
They are so not even remotely the same as what Hi-Def NES, AVS, Analog NT Mini, etc do that I normally wouldn't mention them together. Slapping an adapter in the console to save you a trip to Radio Shack is simply not something worth paying extra for... or anticipating.
I do hotly anticipate VeriSNES (SNES on an FPGA).
Just seems like if it could be done it would be done given the cheap clone garbage that is pumped out all the time. That was the intention if my question really. Why has no one taken the time to make anything, even if cheap crap, that is and HDMI SNES or sega clone.
VeriSNES is exactly what you're looking for. It's the same kind of thing as the AVS and Analog NT Mini and it seems to be coming along nicely.
I'm not looking for anything, I'm just asking why
"Why isn't anyone doing this?"
"They are."
"Yeah, but why aren't they?"
Lots of progress a few weeks ago:
https://www.youtube.com/user/jwdonal
So how do the FC twins work with the SNES or those portable yobo/retron SNES systems that use the cartridge. With the ability for those to be so cheaply produce, couldnt they just slap on a cheap HDMI upscaler the likes of the new R1HD?
Your TV already does that. Also, anyone can buy a composite to HDMI adapter. Also, they suck.
They are so not even remotely the same as what Hi-Def NES, AVS, Analog NT Mini, etc do that I normally wouldn't mention them together. Slapping an adapter in the console to save you a trip to Radio Shack is simply not something worth paying extra for... or anticipating.
I do hotly anticipate VeriSNES (SNES on an FPGA).
Just seems like if it could be done it would be done given the cheap clone garbage that is pumped out all the time. That was the intention if my question really. Why has no one taken the time to make anything, even if cheap crap, that is and HDMI SNES or sega clone.
VeriSNES is exactly what you're looking for. It's the same kind of thing as the AVS and Analog NT Mini and it seems to be coming along nicely.
I'm not looking for anything, I'm just asking why
"Why isn't anyone doing this?"
"They are."
"Yeah, but why aren't they?"
Lots of progress a few weeks ago:
https://www.youtube.com/user/jwdo...
Except I never said that, only that I was wondering why cheap mass produced options haven't been made yet for Sega, SNES, and SMS considering their popularity and that the tech is there.
Good ol NA answers. Obliterate people while ignoring their intent in the original question.
As to why there's not, and probably never will be, a cheap SNES HDMI clone, is because it's expensive (in time and dedication) to design, and expensive (in parts) to manufacture. The only way it could be cheap would be if someone designed an ASIC for it and produced TONS of them. To do an ASIC we're talking millions of dollars even before you can produce something sell-able.
So how do the FC twins work with the SNES or those portable yobo/retron SNES systems that use the cartridge. With the ability for those to be so cheaply produce, couldnt they just slap on a cheap HDMI upscaler the likes of the new R1HD?
Your TV already does that. Also, anyone can buy a composite to HDMI adapter. Also, they suck.
They are so not even remotely the same as what Hi-Def NES, AVS, Analog NT Mini, etc do that I normally wouldn't mention them together. Slapping an adapter in the console to save you a trip to Radio Shack is simply not something worth paying extra for... or anticipating.
I do hotly anticipate VeriSNES (SNES on an FPGA).
Just seems like if it could be done it would be done given the cheap clone garbage that is pumped out all the time. That was the intention if my question really. Why has no one taken the time to make anything, even if cheap crap, that is and HDMI SNES or sega clone.
VeriSNES is exactly what you're looking for. It's the same kind of thing as the AVS and Analog NT Mini and it seems to be coming along nicely.
I'm not looking for anything, I'm just asking why
"Why isn't anyone doing this?"
"They are."
"Yeah, but why aren't they?"
Lots of progress a few weeks ago:
https://www.youtube.com/user/jwdo...
Except I never said that, only that I was wondering why cheap mass produced options haven't been made yet for Sega, SNES, and SMS considering their popularity and that the tech is there. Good ol NA answers. Obliterate people while ignoring their intent in the original question.
Because the cheap "tech" is already built-in to your TV. If you were willing to pay more for a high-quality scaler then it wouldn't make sense to tie it to your console, and that's the domain of the expensive XRGB Mini.
It sound a like you may not realize what a recent thing this is for cheap NES clones too.
We've addressed every conceivable angle of your question. Not sure where else you want us to go with this.
At some point they're going to have to start making them just from the fact that at some point RCA cables and ports are going to vanish.
I'd prefer something more like what we had when DVD players were pitted against RF-only TVs: the end user was expected to buy an RF modulator. No doubt, clone makers will take advantage of people by throwing in a converter and pretending that it's something more than it is, because that's exactly what's happening now with the NOACs.
There is more pressure to do it sooner with NOACs because of the NES Classic Edition and the millions of composite-only NOACs that are already produced. I'm pretty sure a Genesis like this was already announced. Hopefully VeriSNES will run on a cheap enough FPGA that we won't see composts to HDMI garbage for SNES. We already have UltraHDMI, GCVideo, etc so I'm not fretting there, but I'd like to see something for Saturn and PSX. No one makes clones that play such disc games yet and when they do it will likely be emulators anyway.
The saturn is the least likely to ever get a clone but at the very least, in a few year's we will see better emulation.
PSIO is already running psx game's pretty good, granted it is a mod and not a clone. The saturn is the least likely to ever get a clone but at the very least, in a few year's we will see better emulation.
Hi-Def NES is a mod and not a clone too (well, it does clone the PPU), but I thought PSIO was just an alternative to using optical discs. Are you saying that it somehow enables HDMI output?
PSIO is already running psx game's pretty good, granted it is a mod and not a clone. The saturn is the least likely to ever get a clone but at the very least, in a few year's we will see better emulation.
Hi-Def NES is a mod and not a clone too (well, it does clone the PPU), but I thought PSIO was just an alternative to using optical discs. Are you saying that it somehow enables HDMI output?
No HDMI, was just pointing out it runs images from an SD card. it does half of what you were asking for. I forgot the name of the product but i remember hearing about a ps1 emulator box that plays discs.
Edit: found it. http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2017/06/retroblox_becomes_polymega_joypad_and_user_interface_get_shown_off
Op has a hdmi snes clone to look at now.
PSIO is already running psx game's pretty good, granted it is a mod and not a clone. The saturn is the least likely to ever get a clone but at the very least, in a few year's we will see better emulation.
Hi-Def NES is a mod and not a clone too (well, it does clone the PPU), but I thought PSIO was just an alternative to using optical discs. Are you saying that it somehow enables HDMI output?
No HDMI, was just pointing out it runs images from an SD card. it does half of what you were asking for. I forgot the name of the product but i remember hearing about a ps1 emulator box that plays discs.
Edit: found it. http://www.nintendolife.com/news/...
Yeah. That's the one I was thinking about when I wrote that any future devices would likely be emulators instead of hardware clones. It doesn't quite exist yet.
Though the Analog NT Mini was mentioned, it seemed to be only in reference to it being a compatible clone with HDMI output. I don't think the OP was specificlally looking for something to play games from SD.
No HDMI, was just pointing out it runs images from an SD card. it does half of what you were asking for. I forgot the name of the product but i remember hearing about a ps1 emulator box that plays discs.
Edit: found it. http://www.nintendolife.com/news/...
Op has a hdmi snes clone to look at now.
that is an interesting design. Is it an emulator box? Edit: you said that right in your post. I'm dumb.