The best chance for a video game item to hit those lofty heights would be one of the Swordquest prizes. Only the Chalice of Light is known to exist today, it might hit 6 figures. If the Sword of Ultimate Sorcery somehow turned up, it would go for tons of money.
I was personally just talking games. If we get into all game related items it becomes a different discussion. I don't see anybody paying 1m for an atari prize personally, although I really don't know anything about the sword. If I recall the raw precious materials had good value right? And for that reason they'd be valuable but I don't see nearly enough collectibility premium above the raw materials to get to 1m. I could be wrong but just not seeing it
IMHO the biggest factor that could put the breaks on this hobby is the future of 100% digital distribution.
If future generations don't ever have a physical product in their hands then they are less likely to care or know about the physical objects of yesterday.
We need some genuinely rich people in the hobby before prices can go nuts. We've got upper middle class but there's no stinking rich, 100m net worth kinda guys.
If I win the lottery for a ton of $$$ I'm hiring someone part time to scour the internets and ebay buying up all the expensive stuff then I'll promptly sell it all for a huge loss thus making the market go back down. Not that either of the aforementioned will ever happen.
Besides, I'll probably end up buying every single copy of my favorite games "common" or not just because. Note to community: If I win the lottery make sure you for example get your copies of Secret of Mana immediately or it'll be gone or insanely priced! I'd almost go on a personal crusade to crush the dumb Earthbound hype and prices. What a worthless game to be so expensive...
And back to the topic at hand, personally game prices won't be anything like high end baseball cards or comic books on the whole. Maybe comic book level more so than baseball card level if I had to put an order to it. But, if anything at some point some generation of kids with the 20/30 somethings won't give a damn about something decades old and or that they can no longer play on real hardware/TVs at that point. I mean the mobile app game thing has almost come to the point of taking over--and I believe it eventually will. So I give it 10~15 years before gaming prices on the average drop down to next to worthless antique junk levels like we see when we go in to antique stores now today. I'll still be alive to see it but less likely to be able to enjoy it due to stupid technology companies refusing to support old video formats. Hell I cannot even play my retro stuff today on my 3 HDTVs! LOL And no, upscalers don't count because after trying a few they all suck upscaling S-Video.
Originally posted by: Buyatari
IMHO the biggest factor that could put the breaks on this hobby is the future of 100% digital distribution.
If future generations don't ever have a physical product in their hands then they are less likely to care or know about the physical objects of yesterday.
IMHO the biggest factor that could put the breaks on this hobby is the future of 100% digital distribution.
If future generations don't ever have a physical product in their hands then they are less likely to care or know about the physical objects of yesterday.
While true, Nintendo would still release a physical collectors edition with a digital code for marquee titles. The game itself may be digital but a physical collectible will always exist for the big titles. Too much money for them to leave on the table since they always sell out anyway.
IMHO the biggest factor that could put the breaks on this hobby is the future of 100% digital distribution.
If future generations don't ever have a physical product in their hands then they are less likely to care or know about the physical objects of yesterday.
While true, Nintendo would still release a physical collectors edition with a digital code for marquee titles. The game itself may be digital but a physical collectible will always exist for the big titles. Too much money for them to leave on the table since they always sell out anyway.
Well now you are buying merchandise. Eventually systems won't have a reader. They will be nothing but cable boxes used to stream digital content.
So a deluxe edition would be what a big box with a fancy item and a digital code to download the game a week early? While something like this might be considered collectable it wouldn't lead to collecting for other systems the way a small collection of retail games would.
This is an example of how the progression sometimes goes. A child who has a WiiU and 10-20 games lined up in a row on his shelf when older may one day get the urge to buy the ones he wanted but never had. Now he has 50 and finds a list online of available games. Now he wants them all. In the process he picks up a few Wii games. Start buying those as well. What is this small disc for? Looks into Gamecube. Then N64 SNES and perhaps even NES. Buys everything he finds. Now he wants all Nintendo. Then complete or perhaps even sealed. Now we need some poster and lighted sign. etc etc etc.
Without those 10-20 games on his shelf to start with it is unlikely that the rest ever happens.
IMHO the biggest factor that could put the breaks on this hobby is the future of 100% digital distribution.
If future generations don't ever have a physical product in their hands then they are less likely to care or know about the physical objects of yesterday.
There will always be a market for physical collectables. I think the issue is breaking into the "antique" like level with all these malls that opened up everywhere for knickknacks and Antiques Road Show type of places.
Game have reached high levels privately. I still say best bet is to have something no one has up on eBay, name your price, and you can go from there. Always sell very high end items at higher than overall sales of said item. If not you are leaving money on the table if you have the only item available. Someone will buy it eventually. People laugh at prices on Facebook, here, etc when they see them, but a lot of people know how much people have gotten for certain things. The decisions I have made when I have sold certain items have always panned out for the best.
Game have reached high levels privately. I still say best bet is to have something no one has up on eBay, name your price, and you can go from there. Always sell very high end items at higher than overall sales of said item. If not you are leaving money on the table if you have the only item available. Someone will buy it eventually. People laugh at prices on Facebook, here, etc when they see them, but a lot of people know how much people have gotten for certain things. The decisions I have made when I have sold certain items have always panned out for the best.
I agree. While I haven't sold anything absolutely out of this world, I can't believe how fast some of the really high teir NES/SNES CIB sold for that I had and they were listed well above the going rate. You're in the driver seat when you are the one with the item. Also, I don't know how many times I've seen people bitch about prices and then a year or two later bitch that it's even more expensive.
Well, Action Comics 1 and the T-206 Wagner are extreme outliers in their hobbies. Common T-206 cards in so-so condition can be had for sub-$20.
And I would say that certain video games are already showing that they may approach huge sales figures at some point. The obvious ones like Air Raid and Stadium Events may go for the huge price some day. But as far as the NES goes on the whole, outside of SE, the competition carts, and a few of the unlicensed games, the games are far too common to ever go for big bucks. But look at the Neo Geo AES. According to the Game Value Now site, a complete CIB set of 89 games will run you just under 100 K with most commons selling in the hundreds. By comparison, a complete CIB NES set of 821 games will run you a little over 80K. I'm not sure exactly how they come up with those numbers though.
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
That's why a legit complete CIB AES collection has to be the most valuable set in gaming. I could see a set being worth $1 million some day, probably sooner rather than later.
Edit: Any educated speculation on what a legit CIB Metal Slug would go for on today's market?
That's why a legit complete CIB AES collection has to be the most valuable set in gaming. I could see a set being worth $1 million some day, probably sooner rather than later. Edit: Any educated speculation on what a legit CIB Metal Slug would go for on today's market?
Not right now obviously, but I could see it getting there eventually. Certainly before any other set anyway. It's just so volatile with all of the fakes out there. But it's also much more worldwide than Nintendo which skews very heavily North American and Japanese with collectors.
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
When you get into the top tier games the boards are not hard to verify..... it's all about the paper. Insert, manual and sticker. You have to understand how to spot offset printing under a digital microscope. The fakes are getting better but you can't replicate offset printing..... I doubt a bootlegger would spend the thousands to make the plates and have the machines.
I'm counting inflation, personally. 1m in today's dollars could happen too but is another level yet again.
We need some genuinely rich people in the hobby before prices can go nuts. We've got upper middle class but there's no stinking rich, 100m net worth kinda guys.
Would also help if games and their character started getting popular outside of games, like happened with comics characters eventually. (It took a long time and many failed attempts).
are there any known names in the comic world with this type of worth?
Yeah. There are billionaires even. Not many obviously, but still. Marc Lasry (owner of the Timberwolves) collected, Ayman Hariri collects, not sure who else. But there are a few people who collect who do have big bucks.
Hariri was the buyer for several of the seven figure recent sales
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
When you get into the top tier games the boards are not hard to verify..... it's all about the paper. Insert, manual and sticker. You have to understand how to spot offset printing under a digital microscope. The fakes are getting better but you can't replicate offset printing..... I doubt a bootlegger would spend the thousands to make the plates and have the machines.
No. The paper quality has gotten so good along with the sticker and manual that in reality the only way to tell is to have someone who knows completely. Also, bootleggers can take the ROMS off a genuine Slug MVS and stick em on a donor board. Then you get into the issue of, well, the ROMS are real, the board is real, how perfect is the solder? This system does language by region, so every Japanese/English Metal Slug technically should have identical PCBs but in reality you are talking 10K on a genuine Japanese one and 25-40K on a USA one if it ever shows up. There are maybe a handful of people that have a genuine one. That game was not produced in large quantities.
I collect(ed) Neo Geo games but switched to Japanese because that is a huge deal to me vs the bootlegging madness going on with it. Even "middle range rares" games are $2000+ now...
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
When you get into the top tier games the boards are not hard to verify..... it's all about the paper. Insert, manual and sticker. You have to understand how to spot offset printing under a digital microscope. The fakes are getting better but you can't replicate offset printing..... I doubt a bootlegger would spend the thousands to make the plates and have the machines.
No. The paper quality has gotten so good along with the sticker and manual that in reality the only way to tell is to have someone who knows completely. Also, bootleggers can take the ROMS off a genuine Slug MVS and stick em on a donor board. Then you get into the issue of, well, the ROMS are real, the board is real, how perfect is the solder? This system does language by region, so every Japanese/English Metal Slug technically should have identical PCBs but in reality you are talking 10K on a genuine Japanese one and 25-40K on a USA one if it ever shows up. There are maybe a handful of people that have a genuine one. That game was not produced in large quantities.
No you are wrong. You can't replicate offset printing on a digital press...... if you make your argument that it's boards on the NG forums you will see you are wrong. What's stopping someone from taking a Japanese board and putting in a US shell? The paper.....
Also funny enough a US Metal Slug 1 just got posted on eBay U.K..... 65k
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
When you get into the top tier games the boards are not hard to verify..... it's all about the paper. Insert, manual and sticker. You have to understand how to spot offset printing under a digital microscope. The fakes are getting better but you can't replicate offset printing..... I doubt a bootlegger would spend the thousands to make the plates and have the machines.
No. The paper quality has gotten so good along with the sticker and manual that in reality the only way to tell is to have someone who knows completely. Also, bootleggers can take the ROMS off a genuine Slug MVS and stick em on a donor board. Then you get into the issue of, well, the ROMS are real, the board is real, how perfect is the solder? This system does language by region, so every Japanese/English Metal Slug technically should have identical PCBs but in reality you are talking 10K on a genuine Japanese one and 25-40K on a USA one if it ever shows up. There are maybe a handful of people that have a genuine one. That game was not produced in large quantities.
No you are wrong. You can't replicate offset printing on a digital [printer]......
That's true because the ink is physically applied in a different manner. However, there's no shortage of offset printers in the world. They aren't that old yet. Its another high bar to clear in making a perfect fake, I just hope it isn't cleared one day. Presumably since they don't have the source files for the art they will have trouble getting it perfect. We hope.
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
When you get into the top tier games the boards are not hard to verify..... it's all about the paper. Insert, manual and sticker. You have to understand how to spot offset printing under a digital microscope. The fakes are getting better but you can't replicate offset printing..... I doubt a bootlegger would spend the thousands to make the plates and have the machines.
No. The paper quality has gotten so good along with the sticker and manual that in reality the only way to tell is to have someone who knows completely. Also, bootleggers can take the ROMS off a genuine Slug MVS and stick em on a donor board. Then you get into the issue of, well, the ROMS are real, the board is real, how perfect is the solder? This system does language by region, so every Japanese/English Metal Slug technically should have identical PCBs but in reality you are talking 10K on a genuine Japanese one and 25-40K on a USA one if it ever shows up. There are maybe a handful of people that have a genuine one. That game was not produced in large quantities.
No you are wrong. You can't replicate offset printing on a digital press...... if you make your argument that it's boards on the NG forums you will see you are wrong. What's stopping someone from taking a Japanese board and putting in a US shell? The paper.....
Also funny enough a US Metal Slug 1 just got posted on eBay U.K..... 65k
I never said anything about digital printing vs offset. I said it can be done and it is really hard to tell. There is no way someone is going into a game store/eBay/etc and people will still know for sure. Remember Aero Fighters 3? Same guy had KOF 2000 "English" versions ready to go. You can't tell me that if the highest level of experts can be fooled it is not plausible.
In all honesty with the Aero Fighters 3 debacle I would be very wary of ANYTHING coming up without a buyer with history with the game these days.
I guess the question is experts in what (as I'm not familiar with the aero fighters 3 story)? Experts in games that don't know about printing could be fooled into thinking a digital print is offset. Someone who knows how to differentiate them under magnification won't be fooled as long as the counterfeit is actually digital.
If its a legit looking offset counterfeit, everybody's fucked. But, chances are strong that the fakes are digital prints.
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If future generations don't ever have a physical product in their hands then they are less likely to care or know about the physical objects of yesterday.
We need some genuinely rich people in the hobby before prices can go nuts. We've got upper middle class but there's no stinking rich, 100m net worth kinda guys.
If I win the lottery for a ton of $$$ I'm hiring someone part time to scour the internets and ebay buying up all the expensive stuff then I'll promptly sell it all for a huge loss thus making the market go back down. Not that either of the aforementioned will ever happen.
Besides, I'll probably end up buying every single copy of my favorite games "common" or not just because. Note to community: If I win the lottery make sure you for example get your copies of Secret of Mana immediately or it'll be gone or insanely priced! I'd almost go on a personal crusade to crush the dumb Earthbound hype and prices. What a worthless game to be so expensive...
And back to the topic at hand, personally game prices won't be anything like high end baseball cards or comic books on the whole. Maybe comic book level more so than baseball card level if I had to put an order to it. But, if anything at some point some generation of kids with the 20/30 somethings won't give a damn about something decades old and or that they can no longer play on real hardware/TVs at that point. I mean the mobile app game thing has almost come to the point of taking over--and I believe it eventually will. So I give it 10~15 years before gaming prices on the average drop down to next to worthless antique junk levels like we see when we go in to antique stores now today. I'll still be alive to see it but less likely to be able to enjoy it due to stupid technology companies refusing to support old video formats. Hell I cannot even play my retro stuff today on my 3 HDTVs! LOL And no, upscalers don't count because after trying a few they all suck upscaling S-Video.
IMHO the biggest factor that could put the breaks on this hobby is the future of 100% digital distribution.
If future generations don't ever have a physical product in their hands then they are less likely to care or know about the physical objects of yesterday.
^ This as well.
IMHO the biggest factor that could put the breaks on this hobby is the future of 100% digital distribution.
If future generations don't ever have a physical product in their hands then they are less likely to care or know about the physical objects of yesterday.
While true, Nintendo would still release a physical collectors edition with a digital code for marquee titles. The game itself may be digital but a physical collectible will always exist for the big titles. Too much money for them to leave on the table since they always sell out anyway.
IMHO the biggest factor that could put the breaks on this hobby is the future of 100% digital distribution.
If future generations don't ever have a physical product in their hands then they are less likely to care or know about the physical objects of yesterday.
While true, Nintendo would still release a physical collectors edition with a digital code for marquee titles. The game itself may be digital but a physical collectible will always exist for the big titles. Too much money for them to leave on the table since they always sell out anyway.
Well now you are buying merchandise. Eventually systems won't have a reader. They will be nothing but cable boxes used to stream digital content.
So a deluxe edition would be what a big box with a fancy item and a digital code to download the game a week early? While something like this might be considered collectable it wouldn't lead to collecting for other systems the way a small collection of retail games would.
This is an example of how the progression sometimes goes. A child who has a WiiU and 10-20 games lined up in a row on his shelf when older may one day get the urge to buy the ones he wanted but never had. Now he has 50 and finds a list online of available games. Now he wants them all. In the process he picks up a few Wii games. Start buying those as well. What is this small disc for? Looks into Gamecube. Then N64 SNES and perhaps even NES. Buys everything he finds. Now he wants all Nintendo. Then complete or perhaps even sealed. Now we need some poster and lighted sign. etc etc etc.
Without those 10-20 games on his shelf to start with it is unlikely that the rest ever happens.
IMHO the biggest factor that could put the breaks on this hobby is the future of 100% digital distribution.
If future generations don't ever have a physical product in their hands then they are less likely to care or know about the physical objects of yesterday.
There will always be a market for physical collectables. I think the issue is breaking into the "antique" like level with all these malls that opened up everywhere for knickknacks and Antiques Road Show type of places.
Originally posted by: DreamTR
Game have reached high levels privately. I still say best bet is to have something no one has up on eBay, name your price, and you can go from there. Always sell very high end items at higher than overall sales of said item. If not you are leaving money on the table if you have the only item available. Someone will buy it eventually. People laugh at prices on Facebook, here, etc when they see them, but a lot of people know how much people have gotten for certain things. The decisions I have made when I have sold certain items have always panned out for the best.
I agree. While I haven't sold anything absolutely out of this world, I can't believe how fast some of the really high teir NES/SNES CIB sold for that I had and they were listed well above the going rate. You're in the driver seat when you are the one with the item. Also, I don't know how many times I've seen people bitch about prices and then a year or two later bitch that it's even more expensive.
Well, Action Comics 1 and the T-206 Wagner are extreme outliers in their hobbies. Common T-206 cards in so-so condition can be had for sub-$20.
And I would say that certain video games are already showing that they may approach huge sales figures at some point. The obvious ones like Air Raid and Stadium Events may go for the huge price some day. But as far as the NES goes on the whole, outside of SE, the competition carts, and a few of the unlicensed games, the games are far too common to ever go for big bucks. But look at the Neo Geo AES. According to the Game Value Now site, a complete CIB set of 89 games will run you just under 100 K with most commons selling in the hundreds. By comparison, a complete CIB NES set of 821 games will run you a little over 80K. I'm not sure exactly how they come up with those numbers though.
http://gamevaluenow.com/neo-geo-a...
http://gamevaluenow.com/nintendo-...
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
Originally posted by: Bronty
300 is about venom's first full appearance as well; not really about the art
252 and 299 are true 1st appearences but yeah.
Originally posted by: Mr. CIB
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
Edit: Any educated speculation on what a legit CIB Metal Slug would go for on today's market?
That's why a legit complete CIB AES collection has to be the most valuable set in gaming. I could see a set being worth $1 million some day, probably sooner rather than later. Edit: Any educated speculation on what a legit CIB Metal Slug would go for on today's market?
Jesus, that valuable?
We have so many people here from Europe with large ntsc collections and we all know the main reason why.
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
When you get into the top tier games the boards are not hard to verify..... it's all about the paper. Insert, manual and sticker. You have to understand how to spot offset printing under a digital microscope. The fakes are getting better but you can't replicate offset printing..... I doubt a bootlegger would spend the thousands to make the plates and have the machines.
I'm counting inflation, personally. 1m in today's dollars could happen too but is another level yet again.
We need some genuinely rich people in the hobby before prices can go nuts. We've got upper middle class but there's no stinking rich, 100m net worth kinda guys.
Would also help if games and their character started getting popular outside of games, like happened with comics characters eventually. (It took a long time and many failed attempts).
are there any known names in the comic world with this type of worth?
Hariri was the buyer for several of the seven figure recent sales
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
When you get into the top tier games the boards are not hard to verify..... it's all about the paper. Insert, manual and sticker. You have to understand how to spot offset printing under a digital microscope. The fakes are getting better but you can't replicate offset printing..... I doubt a bootlegger would spend the thousands to make the plates and have the machines.
No. The paper quality has gotten so good along with the sticker and manual that in reality the only way to tell is to have someone who knows completely. Also, bootleggers can take the ROMS off a genuine Slug MVS and stick em on a donor board. Then you get into the issue of, well, the ROMS are real, the board is real, how perfect is the solder? This system does language by region, so every Japanese/English Metal Slug technically should have identical PCBs but in reality you are talking 10K on a genuine Japanese one and 25-40K on a USA one if it ever shows up. There are maybe a handful of people that have a genuine one. That game was not produced in large quantities.
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
When you get into the top tier games the boards are not hard to verify..... it's all about the paper. Insert, manual and sticker. You have to understand how to spot offset printing under a digital microscope. The fakes are getting better but you can't replicate offset printing..... I doubt a bootlegger would spend the thousands to make the plates and have the machines.
No. The paper quality has gotten so good along with the sticker and manual that in reality the only way to tell is to have someone who knows completely. Also, bootleggers can take the ROMS off a genuine Slug MVS and stick em on a donor board. Then you get into the issue of, well, the ROMS are real, the board is real, how perfect is the solder? This system does language by region, so every Japanese/English Metal Slug technically should have identical PCBs but in reality you are talking 10K on a genuine Japanese one and 25-40K on a USA one if it ever shows up. There are maybe a handful of people that have a genuine one. That game was not produced in large quantities.
No you are wrong. You can't replicate offset printing on a digital press...... if you make your argument that it's boards on the NG forums you will see you are wrong. What's stopping someone from taking a Japanese board and putting in a US shell? The paper.....
Also funny enough a US Metal Slug 1 just got posted on eBay U.K..... 65k
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
When you get into the top tier games the boards are not hard to verify..... it's all about the paper. Insert, manual and sticker. You have to understand how to spot offset printing under a digital microscope. The fakes are getting better but you can't replicate offset printing..... I doubt a bootlegger would spend the thousands to make the plates and have the machines.
No. The paper quality has gotten so good along with the sticker and manual that in reality the only way to tell is to have someone who knows completely. Also, bootleggers can take the ROMS off a genuine Slug MVS and stick em on a donor board. Then you get into the issue of, well, the ROMS are real, the board is real, how perfect is the solder? This system does language by region, so every Japanese/English Metal Slug technically should have identical PCBs but in reality you are talking 10K on a genuine Japanese one and 25-40K on a USA one if it ever shows up. There are maybe a handful of people that have a genuine one. That game was not produced in large quantities.
No you are wrong. You can't replicate offset printing on a digital [printer]......
That's true because the ink is physically applied in a different manner. However, there's no shortage of offset printers in the world. They aren't that old yet. Its another high bar to clear in making a perfect fake, I just hope it isn't cleared one day. Presumably since they don't have the source files for the art they will have trouble getting it perfect. We hope.
And GVN 100k is missing a Metal Slugs 1 which is the most valuable US released Neo Geo AES game. A legit one hasn't been on eBay in years.
It doesn't help that genuine AES titles are difficult to authenticate just from low res eBay pictures and due to the ever increasing skill of bootleggers. I've heard a few stories of high end titles being sold low because they were assumed to be fake, then ended up being real.
The Neo Geo AES market is just a mess, it's why authentic AES titles are only ever sold privately these days.
Even if the games are opened you can't tell either. People talk about the solder being slightly messy now even on real boards. I won't go near certain games because authenticating won't work.
When you get into the top tier games the boards are not hard to verify..... it's all about the paper. Insert, manual and sticker. You have to understand how to spot offset printing under a digital microscope. The fakes are getting better but you can't replicate offset printing..... I doubt a bootlegger would spend the thousands to make the plates and have the machines.
No. The paper quality has gotten so good along with the sticker and manual that in reality the only way to tell is to have someone who knows completely. Also, bootleggers can take the ROMS off a genuine Slug MVS and stick em on a donor board. Then you get into the issue of, well, the ROMS are real, the board is real, how perfect is the solder? This system does language by region, so every Japanese/English Metal Slug technically should have identical PCBs but in reality you are talking 10K on a genuine Japanese one and 25-40K on a USA one if it ever shows up. There are maybe a handful of people that have a genuine one. That game was not produced in large quantities.
No you are wrong. You can't replicate offset printing on a digital press...... if you make your argument that it's boards on the NG forums you will see you are wrong. What's stopping someone from taking a Japanese board and putting in a US shell? The paper.....
Also funny enough a US Metal Slug 1 just got posted on eBay U.K..... 65k
I never said anything about digital printing vs offset. I said it can be done and it is really hard to tell. There is no way someone is going into a game store/eBay/etc and people will still know for sure. Remember Aero Fighters 3? Same guy had KOF 2000 "English" versions ready to go. You can't tell me that if the highest level of experts can be fooled it is not plausible.
In all honesty with the Aero Fighters 3 debacle I would be very wary of ANYTHING coming up without a buyer with history with the game these days.
If its a legit looking offset counterfeit, everybody's fucked. But, chances are strong that the fakes are digital prints.