But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
I think it is because, artists speak through their work. Whether it be art, music, or whatever. They put their heart into whatever it is they do, and because of that it creates a unique bond between the artist/fan. It goes beyond just their work. Their work comes from a person.
I didn't know him personally, but even so, he and his lyrics were a huge part of my teen years growing up. And i imagine for many others out there. I have read countless stories of his lyrics and the music getting people through some of the toughest times in their life. So in a way people are grateful to have had someone give that to them and help them even though not directly. So losing that person is still painful because of that connection, whether you actually knew him in person or not.
He was always very vocal about his past experiences and mental health issues/drug abuse, so if you were a fan you basically knew exactly where all of his lyrics came from. Unfortunately the fans will never get to really be there for him in the same way he was there for them. It is just the nature of him being 1 and his fans in the millions. But I am sure he was buried with fan mail of people saying he saved their lives, or along those lines and all the other ways fans show their love and gratefulness for artists.
Only his close family could ever know his mental state, and even then, with mental health, even your closest friends/family can't see your suffering. It is all internal.
It will be the same for me when Stan Lee dies. I don't know him, but i know I and a lot of others are going to be devastated.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
Chester was pretty open about his suffering. He was bullied and tormented through much of his adolescence. Worst of all he was sexually abused for years as a child.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
His suffering was outlined in his music. He was a victim of viscious molestation growing up as he has been outspoken about it in the past. I too used to be the guy who would make comments like you have in this post. Salty and argumentative and insensitive. I know what it likes to see a post like this and try and make more out of it then is needed. Move on or be nice. God bless yah.
How was anything I said argumentative? Definitely not salty, so maybe quit projecting your own feelings towards someone else. Nothing I said was insensitive (pretty sure I never said "good, this guy sucked"), and there's definitely no reason to bring religion into this. Maybe understand peoples posts better, or don't respond and follow your own advice, rather than trolling (and poorly).
But, I'll use you as an example. You assume you know my personality through a few posts here and there, and you obviously assumed you (if you weren't trolling) the tone of my posts. Just like you assume you think you know Chester (or insert famous person) because they were vocal about certain topics and how it affected them. Literally ask anyone on here who's met me in person - it's rare that I'm "argumentative and salty" just "cuz", and they'll all tell you I'm just a fun goofy laid back fella. You don't know dick all about these famous people except for what they want you to know, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.
Originally posted by: attakid101
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: xMaGuSx
Originally posted by: dra600n
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
Chester was pretty open about his suffering. He was bullied and tormented through much of his adolescence. Worst of all he was sexually abused for years as a child.
Again, that makes you know him how? Jonathan Davis has made his issues very clear, so we're gonna wait until he dies before we start talking about him? What about the countless authors and people who have had similar experience? How many people feel ridiculous for thinking they knew Cosby because he was a great person who affected them? Bet that was a rough blow knowing that not only did they not actually know him, but that he was as rotten as could be.
Originally posted by: xMaGuSx
Originally posted by: dra600n
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
I think it is because, artists speak through their work. Whether it be art, music, or whatever. They put their heart into whatever it is they do, and because of that it creates a unique bond between the artist/fan. It goes beyond just their work. Their work comes from a person.
I didn't know him personally, but even so, he and his lyrics were a huge part of my teen years growing up. And i imagine for many others out there. I have read countless stories of his lyrics and the music getting people through some of the toughest times in their life. So in a way people are grateful to have had someone give that to them and help them even though not directly. So losing that person is still painful because of that connection, whether you actually knew him in person or not.
He was always very vocal about his past experiences and mental health issues/drug abuse, so if you were a fan you basically knew exactly where all of his lyrics came from. Unfortunately the fans will never get to really be there for him in the same way he was there for them. It is just the nature of him being 1 and his fans in the millions. But I am sure he was buried with fan mail of people saying he saved their lives, or along those lines and all the other ways fans show their love and gratefulness for artists.
Only his close family could ever know his mental state, and even then, with mental health, even your closest friends/family can't see your suffering. It is all internal.
It will be the same for me when Stan Lee dies. I don't know him, but i know I and a lot of others are going to be devastated.
I agree and understand everything you've said, except the part where he was a big part of your life. Don't get me wrong, I've had Metallica songs help me through some tough times, but when Hetfield et al kicks the bucket, I'm not going to be upset or devestated. It'll suck not being able to see a Metallica concert, same with Sublime with Bradley. None of them know that their music has helped me through tough times (though, I'm sure they'd appreciate it, because who doesn't want to hear they've helped someone from afar, but it's unrealistic to think I'd be able to actually get to tell them), I've never interacted with these people, and they won't care when I die (not that it should be a reciprocated feeling), but even if these people didn't exist, something else would've gotten you, me, and everyone else through those tough times.
It's the double standard when you're a famous person that bothers me. Prince dies from opiod overdose, people refuse to acknowledge that because "he's helped so many people blah blah", but yet talk shit on the heroin addicted who didn't make a name for himself except in a death registry.
I just don't get the devestation. Death happens to literally everyone, sometimes way before they should (accident, overdose, illness), sometimes it's self inflicting (overdose, suicide, etc), and sometimes because they've reached the lifespan their body stops functioning at. It's all sad. People die daily, but only the famous ones are spoken about. Non-famous people tell these same stories, so why is there no care for them? Is it because a person can only have so much sadness? Is it because these people didn't help us through a tough time and you feel like you owe it to the artist to feel some deeper connection? Is it because they just aren't vocal enough and nobody wants to go looking for it? Hell, even sometimes the bigger names get swept under the radar because someone more popular today cast a larger shadow (Keith Emmerson wasn't even talked about on the major outlets, for example, was overshadowed by the death of Nancy Reagan and George Martin).
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
His suffering was outlined in his music. He was a victim of viscious molestation growing up as he has been outspoken about it in the past. I too used to be the guy who would make comments like you have in this post. Salty and argumentative and insensitive. I know what it likes to see a post like this and try and make more out of it then is needed. Move on or be nice. God bless yah.
How was anything I said argumentative? Definitely not salty, so maybe quit projecting your own feelings towards someone else. Nothing I said was insensitive (pretty sure I never said "good, this guy sucked"), and there's definitely no reason to bring religion into this. Maybe understand peoples posts better, or don't respond and follow your own advice, rather than trolling (and poorly).
But, I'll use you as an example. You assume you know my personality through a few posts here and there, and you obviously assumed you (if you weren't trolling) the tone of my posts. Just like you assume you think you know Chester (or insert famous person) because they were vocal about certain topics and how it affected them. Literally ask anyone on here who's met me in person - it's rare that I'm "argumentative and salty" just "cuz", and they'll all tell you I'm just a fun goofy laid back fella. You don't know dick all about these famous people except for what they want you to know, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.
Originally posted by: attakid101
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: xMaGuSx
Originally posted by: dra600n
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
Chester was pretty open about his suffering. He was bullied and tormented through much of his adolescence. Worst of all he was sexually abused for years as a child.
Again, that makes you know him how? Jonathan Davis has made his issues very clear, so we're gonna wait until he dies before we start talking about him? What about the countless authors and people who have had similar experience? How many people feel ridiculous for thinking they knew Cosby because he was a great person who affected them? Bet that was a rough blow knowing that not only did they not actually know him, but that he was as rotten as could be.
Originally posted by: xMaGuSx
Originally posted by: dra600n
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
I think it is because, artists speak through their work. Whether it be art, music, or whatever. They put their heart into whatever it is they do, and because of that it creates a unique bond between the artist/fan. It goes beyond just their work. Their work comes from a person.
I didn't know him personally, but even so, he and his lyrics were a huge part of my teen years growing up. And i imagine for many others out there. I have read countless stories of his lyrics and the music getting people through some of the toughest times in their life. So in a way people are grateful to have had someone give that to them and help them even though not directly. So losing that person is still painful because of that connection, whether you actually knew him in person or not.
He was always very vocal about his past experiences and mental health issues/drug abuse, so if you were a fan you basically knew exactly where all of his lyrics came from. Unfortunately the fans will never get to really be there for him in the same way he was there for them. It is just the nature of him being 1 and his fans in the millions. But I am sure he was buried with fan mail of people saying he saved their lives, or along those lines and all the other ways fans show their love and gratefulness for artists.
Only his close family could ever know his mental state, and even then, with mental health, even your closest friends/family can't see your suffering. It is all internal.
It will be the same for me when Stan Lee dies. I don't know him, but i know I and a lot of others are going to be devastated.
I agree and understand everything you've said, except the part where he was a big part of your life. Don't get me wrong, I've had Metallica songs help me through some tough times, but when Hetfield et al kicks the bucket, I'm not going to be upset or devestated. It'll suck not being able to see a Metallica concert, same with Sublime with Bradley. None of them know that their music has helped me through tough times (though, I'm sure they'd appreciate it, because who doesn't want to hear they've helped someone from afar, but it's unrealistic to think I'd be able to actually get to tell them), I've never interacted with these people, and they won't care when I die (not that it should be a reciprocated feeling), but even if these people didn't exist, something else would've gotten you, me, and everyone else through those tough times.
It's the double standard when you're a famous person that bothers me. Prince dies from opiod overdose, people refuse to acknowledge that because "he's helped so many people blah blah", but yet talk shit on the heroin addicted who didn't make a name for himself except in a death registry.
I just don't get the devestation. Death happens to literally everyone, sometimes way before they should (accident, overdose, illness), sometimes it's self inflicting (overdose, suicide, etc), and sometimes because they've reached the lifespan their body stops functioning at. It's all sad. People die daily, but only the famous ones are spoken about. Non-famous people tell these same stories, so why is there no care for them? Is it because a person can only have so much sadness? Is it because these people didn't help us through a tough time and you feel like you owe it to the artist to feel some deeper connection? Is it because they just aren't vocal enough and nobody wants to go looking for it? Hell, even sometimes the bigger names get swept under the radar because someone more popular today cast a larger shadow (Keith Emmerson wasn't even talked about on the major outlets, for example, was overshadowed by the death of Nancy Reagan and George Martin).
Oh I wont lie. I really dont care. Was mainly bored at work. Have a good weekend dude.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
Chester was pretty open about his suffering. He was bullied and tormented through much of his adolescence. Worst of all he was sexually abused for years as a child.
Again, that makes you know him how? Jonathan Davis has made his issues very clear, so we're gonna wait until he dies before we start talking about him? What about the countless authors and people who have had similar experience? How many people feel ridiculous for thinking they knew Cosby because he was a great person who affected them? Bet that was a rough blow knowing that not only did they not actually know him, but that he was as rotten as could be.
I don't get what you're trying to say here. I never said I knew Chester Bennington. I didn't know him. But he's a notable person and people are taking note of his suicide. What about that is hard to understand?
And what about those countless authors? I felt genuine remorse when I learned that David Foster Wallace killed himself. I didn't know him either. But I knew his work and I knew he was suffering.
People here on these boards have shared heartache with all of us. Some of the stories shared here on NA have kept me up at night. I don't know those people either.
How you feel about the news regarding Chester Bennington's suicide is your business. But the fact of the matter is there are millions--literally millions--of people for whom this is affecting news.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
RIP, not a fan of his music but suicide is never good....
Toxie said it best.
Never a fan, never cared for their style, but a life is a life and worth the same regardless.
RIP.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
TBH I 100% agree with you and feel the same way, I just keep my mouth shut most of the time. I almost didn't even post in this thread. If I stated my real opinion I'd probably get banned for conservative insensitivity.
RIP, not a fan of his music but suicide is never good....
Toxie said it best.
Never a fan, never cared for their style, but a life is a life and worth the same regardless.
RIP.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
TBH I 100% agree with you and feel the same way, I just keep my mouth shut most of the time. I almost didn't even post in this thread. If I stated my real opinion I'd probably get banned for conservative insensitivity.
A man whose work was known by millions of people kills himself, and we shouldn't be allowed to discuss it because he's famous?
RIP, not a fan of his music but suicide is never good....
Toxie said it best.
Never a fan, never cared for their style, but a life is a life and worth the same regardless.
RIP.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
Really, Adam? Really? You're smarter than that. It isn't that he sang in a band - that aspect alone isn't enough. It's because he killed himself, and suicide is a terrible thing which too many people and their families can relate to. Also, his songs touched a ton of people. They were a big component of my life when my depression was at its heyday, and I'm sure a lot of other people feel that way as well.
I mean, I'm not saying everyone here who is expressing their condolences have actually thought about it like that, but that's definitely true for me.
Wow I came in here to read people's memories and condolences but my god what a f'ng dumpster fire this turned out to be. Rather than fuel the flames and be disgusted by the people who are I'll just offer my RIP to Chester and will be thinking about his poor kids. Because that's the real tragedy here whether your famous or not, the people you leave behind.
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But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
I think it is because, artists speak through their work. Whether it be art, music, or whatever. They put their heart into whatever it is they do, and because of that it creates a unique bond between the artist/fan. It goes beyond just their work. Their work comes from a person.
I didn't know him personally, but even so, he and his lyrics were a huge part of my teen years growing up. And i imagine for many others out there. I have read countless stories of his lyrics and the music getting people through some of the toughest times in their life. So in a way people are grateful to have had someone give that to them and help them even though not directly. So losing that person is still painful because of that connection, whether you actually knew him in person or not.
He was always very vocal about his past experiences and mental health issues/drug abuse, so if you were a fan you basically knew exactly where all of his lyrics came from. Unfortunately the fans will never get to really be there for him in the same way he was there for them. It is just the nature of him being 1 and his fans in the millions. But I am sure he was buried with fan mail of people saying he saved their lives, or along those lines and all the other ways fans show their love and gratefulness for artists.
Only his close family could ever know his mental state, and even then, with mental health, even your closest friends/family can't see your suffering. It is all internal.
It will be the same for me when Stan Lee dies. I don't know him, but i know I and a lot of others are going to be devastated.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
Chester was pretty open about his suffering. He was bullied and tormented through much of his adolescence. Worst of all he was sexually abused for years as a child.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
His suffering was outlined in his music. He was a victim of viscious molestation growing up as he has been outspoken about it in the past. I too used to be the guy who would make comments like you have in this post. Salty and argumentative and insensitive. I know what it likes to see a post like this and try and make more out of it then is needed. Move on or be nice. God bless yah.
How was anything I said argumentative? Definitely not salty, so maybe quit projecting your own feelings towards someone else. Nothing I said was insensitive (pretty sure I never said "good, this guy sucked"), and there's definitely no reason to bring religion into this. Maybe understand peoples posts better, or don't respond and follow your own advice, rather than trolling (and poorly).
But, I'll use you as an example. You assume you know my personality through a few posts here and there, and you obviously assumed you (if you weren't trolling) the tone of my posts. Just like you assume you think you know Chester (or insert famous person) because they were vocal about certain topics and how it affected them. Literally ask anyone on here who's met me in person - it's rare that I'm "argumentative and salty" just "cuz", and they'll all tell you I'm just a fun goofy laid back fella. You don't know dick all about these famous people except for what they want you to know, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
Chester was pretty open about his suffering. He was bullied and tormented through much of his adolescence. Worst of all he was sexually abused for years as a child.
Again, that makes you know him how? Jonathan Davis has made his issues very clear, so we're gonna wait until he dies before we start talking about him? What about the countless authors and people who have had similar experience? How many people feel ridiculous for thinking they knew Cosby because he was a great person who affected them? Bet that was a rough blow knowing that not only did they not actually know him, but that he was as rotten as could be.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
I think it is because, artists speak through their work. Whether it be art, music, or whatever. They put their heart into whatever it is they do, and because of that it creates a unique bond between the artist/fan. It goes beyond just their work. Their work comes from a person.
I didn't know him personally, but even so, he and his lyrics were a huge part of my teen years growing up. And i imagine for many others out there. I have read countless stories of his lyrics and the music getting people through some of the toughest times in their life. So in a way people are grateful to have had someone give that to them and help them even though not directly. So losing that person is still painful because of that connection, whether you actually knew him in person or not.
He was always very vocal about his past experiences and mental health issues/drug abuse, so if you were a fan you basically knew exactly where all of his lyrics came from. Unfortunately the fans will never get to really be there for him in the same way he was there for them. It is just the nature of him being 1 and his fans in the millions. But I am sure he was buried with fan mail of people saying he saved their lives, or along those lines and all the other ways fans show their love and gratefulness for artists.
Only his close family could ever know his mental state, and even then, with mental health, even your closest friends/family can't see your suffering. It is all internal.
It will be the same for me when Stan Lee dies. I don't know him, but i know I and a lot of others are going to be devastated.
I agree and understand everything you've said, except the part where he was a big part of your life. Don't get me wrong, I've had Metallica songs help me through some tough times, but when Hetfield et al kicks the bucket, I'm not going to be upset or devestated. It'll suck not being able to see a Metallica concert, same with Sublime with Bradley. None of them know that their music has helped me through tough times (though, I'm sure they'd appreciate it, because who doesn't want to hear they've helped someone from afar, but it's unrealistic to think I'd be able to actually get to tell them), I've never interacted with these people, and they won't care when I die (not that it should be a reciprocated feeling), but even if these people didn't exist, something else would've gotten you, me, and everyone else through those tough times.
It's the double standard when you're a famous person that bothers me. Prince dies from opiod overdose, people refuse to acknowledge that because "he's helped so many people blah blah", but yet talk shit on the heroin addicted who didn't make a name for himself except in a death registry.
I just don't get the devestation. Death happens to literally everyone, sometimes way before they should (accident, overdose, illness), sometimes it's self inflicting (overdose, suicide, etc), and sometimes because they've reached the lifespan their body stops functioning at. It's all sad. People die daily, but only the famous ones are spoken about. Non-famous people tell these same stories, so why is there no care for them? Is it because a person can only have so much sadness? Is it because these people didn't help us through a tough time and you feel like you owe it to the artist to feel some deeper connection? Is it because they just aren't vocal enough and nobody wants to go looking for it? Hell, even sometimes the bigger names get swept under the radar because someone more popular today cast a larger shadow (Keith Emmerson wasn't even talked about on the major outlets, for example, was overshadowed by the death of Nancy Reagan and George Martin).
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
His suffering was outlined in his music. He was a victim of viscious molestation growing up as he has been outspoken about it in the past. I too used to be the guy who would make comments like you have in this post. Salty and argumentative and insensitive. I know what it likes to see a post like this and try and make more out of it then is needed. Move on or be nice. God bless yah.
How was anything I said argumentative? Definitely not salty, so maybe quit projecting your own feelings towards someone else. Nothing I said was insensitive (pretty sure I never said "good, this guy sucked"), and there's definitely no reason to bring religion into this. Maybe understand peoples posts better, or don't respond and follow your own advice, rather than trolling (and poorly).
But, I'll use you as an example. You assume you know my personality through a few posts here and there, and you obviously assumed you (if you weren't trolling) the tone of my posts. Just like you assume you think you know Chester (or insert famous person) because they were vocal about certain topics and how it affected them. Literally ask anyone on here who's met me in person - it's rare that I'm "argumentative and salty" just "cuz", and they'll all tell you I'm just a fun goofy laid back fella. You don't know dick all about these famous people except for what they want you to know, no matter how much you want to believe otherwise.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
Chester was pretty open about his suffering. He was bullied and tormented through much of his adolescence. Worst of all he was sexually abused for years as a child.
Again, that makes you know him how? Jonathan Davis has made his issues very clear, so we're gonna wait until he dies before we start talking about him? What about the countless authors and people who have had similar experience? How many people feel ridiculous for thinking they knew Cosby because he was a great person who affected them? Bet that was a rough blow knowing that not only did they not actually know him, but that he was as rotten as could be.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
I think it is because, artists speak through their work. Whether it be art, music, or whatever. They put their heart into whatever it is they do, and because of that it creates a unique bond between the artist/fan. It goes beyond just their work. Their work comes from a person.
I didn't know him personally, but even so, he and his lyrics were a huge part of my teen years growing up. And i imagine for many others out there. I have read countless stories of his lyrics and the music getting people through some of the toughest times in their life. So in a way people are grateful to have had someone give that to them and help them even though not directly. So losing that person is still painful because of that connection, whether you actually knew him in person or not.
He was always very vocal about his past experiences and mental health issues/drug abuse, so if you were a fan you basically knew exactly where all of his lyrics came from. Unfortunately the fans will never get to really be there for him in the same way he was there for them. It is just the nature of him being 1 and his fans in the millions. But I am sure he was buried with fan mail of people saying he saved their lives, or along those lines and all the other ways fans show their love and gratefulness for artists.
Only his close family could ever know his mental state, and even then, with mental health, even your closest friends/family can't see your suffering. It is all internal.
It will be the same for me when Stan Lee dies. I don't know him, but i know I and a lot of others are going to be devastated.
I agree and understand everything you've said, except the part where he was a big part of your life. Don't get me wrong, I've had Metallica songs help me through some tough times, but when Hetfield et al kicks the bucket, I'm not going to be upset or devestated. It'll suck not being able to see a Metallica concert, same with Sublime with Bradley. None of them know that their music has helped me through tough times (though, I'm sure they'd appreciate it, because who doesn't want to hear they've helped someone from afar, but it's unrealistic to think I'd be able to actually get to tell them), I've never interacted with these people, and they won't care when I die (not that it should be a reciprocated feeling), but even if these people didn't exist, something else would've gotten you, me, and everyone else through those tough times.
It's the double standard when you're a famous person that bothers me. Prince dies from opiod overdose, people refuse to acknowledge that because "he's helped so many people blah blah", but yet talk shit on the heroin addicted who didn't make a name for himself except in a death registry.
I just don't get the devestation. Death happens to literally everyone, sometimes way before they should (accident, overdose, illness), sometimes it's self inflicting (overdose, suicide, etc), and sometimes because they've reached the lifespan their body stops functioning at. It's all sad. People die daily, but only the famous ones are spoken about. Non-famous people tell these same stories, so why is there no care for them? Is it because a person can only have so much sadness? Is it because these people didn't help us through a tough time and you feel like you owe it to the artist to feel some deeper connection? Is it because they just aren't vocal enough and nobody wants to go looking for it? Hell, even sometimes the bigger names get swept under the radar because someone more popular today cast a larger shadow (Keith Emmerson wasn't even talked about on the major outlets, for example, was overshadowed by the death of Nancy Reagan and George Martin).
Oh I wont lie. I really dont care. Was mainly bored at work. Have a good weekend dude.
Originally posted by: TheToxieRules
Adam made a Keith Emerson reference?......Man I have a whole new respect.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
Chester was pretty open about his suffering. He was bullied and tormented through much of his adolescence. Worst of all he was sexually abused for years as a child.
Again, that makes you know him how? Jonathan Davis has made his issues very clear, so we're gonna wait until he dies before we start talking about him? What about the countless authors and people who have had similar experience? How many people feel ridiculous for thinking they knew Cosby because he was a great person who affected them? Bet that was a rough blow knowing that not only did they not actually know him, but that he was as rotten as could be.
I don't get what you're trying to say here. I never said I knew Chester Bennington. I didn't know him. But he's a notable person and people are taking note of his suicide. What about that is hard to understand?
And what about those countless authors? I felt genuine remorse when I learned that David Foster Wallace killed himself. I didn't know him either. But I knew his work and I knew he was suffering.
People here on these boards have shared heartache with all of us. Some of the stories shared here on NA have kept me up at night. I don't know those people either.
How you feel about the news regarding Chester Bennington's suicide is your business. But the fact of the matter is there are millions--literally millions--of people for whom this is affecting news.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
So you knew Scott Weiland ?
http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=7&threadid=155873
Originally posted by: MegaMartyr
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: xMaGuSx
Originally posted by: dra600n
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
So you knew Scott Weiland ?
http://nintendoage.com/forum/mess...
Met him once, weird guy when he's high. Wouldn't claim to know him in great depth though
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
I don't think anyone is really saying though that those people are NOT important. Or that Chester's life was more valued. Unless i missed something.
It would be kind of odd to scan through the obituaries and make a thread about some random person you didn't know. Of course it is sad, it is sad when just about anyone dies for any reason. And of course their life has value too, just as much as Chester. But Chester and his music are directly connected to millions of fans. So naturally they are going to want to discuss it and talk about it. Because people are mourning and talking about Chester, doesn't mean they don't give a shit about random people as well, but people are more compelled to discuss and be attached to people who directly influenced and/or were a part of their lives.
If people did as you said and made threads about the nobodies, this forum would become nothing but threads about people who either killed themselves or died for the myriad of other reasons people die and end up in obituaries.
Just my take on it.
But does anyone in here know Chester? How many folks in here actually knew he was suffering and had a mental illness?
nobody in here knows him, that's my point. Everyone is here is attached to his past work, which is fine, but I don't get this emotional attachment to someone you haven't met or spoken to.
So you knew Scott Weiland ?
http://nintendoage.com/forum/mess...
Well played!!!!!! :-)
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: NostalgicMachine
Originally posted by: TheToxieRules
RIP, not a fan of his music but suicide is never good....
Toxie said it best.
Never a fan, never cared for their style, but a life is a life and worth the same regardless.
RIP.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
TBH I 100% agree with you and feel the same way, I just keep my mouth shut most of the time. I almost didn't even post in this thread. If I stated my real opinion I'd probably get banned for conservative insensitivity.
Originally posted by: dra600n
Originally posted by: NostalgicMachine
Originally posted by: TheToxieRules
RIP, not a fan of his music but suicide is never good....
Toxie said it best.
Never a fan, never cared for their style, but a life is a life and worth the same regardless.
RIP.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
TBH I 100% agree with you and feel the same way, I just keep my mouth shut most of the time. I almost didn't even post in this thread. If I stated my real opinion I'd probably get banned for conservative insensitivity.
A man whose work was known by millions of people kills himself, and we shouldn't be allowed to discuss it because he's famous?
I don't understand the logic, I guess.
RIP, not a fan of his music but suicide is never good....
Toxie said it best.
Never a fan, never cared for their style, but a life is a life and worth the same regardless.
RIP.
Not to be that guy, but I don't see threads about the nobodies who kill themselves, so threads like this say that this persons life is valued more than the nobody that you've never heard of or may have briefly read in the local obituaries. What makes him different? Because he sang in a band?
Really, Adam? Really? You're smarter than that. It isn't that he sang in a band - that aspect alone isn't enough. It's because he killed himself, and suicide is a terrible thing which too many people and their families can relate to. Also, his songs touched a ton of people. They were a big component of my life when my depression was at its heyday, and I'm sure a lot of other people feel that way as well.
I mean, I'm not saying everyone here who is expressing their condolences have actually thought about it like that, but that's definitely true for me.