Nah I highly doubt it ever gets close. People are too "aware" of collecting, rarity, and associated value now. Those other things became so valuable because no one thought twice about them being million dollar items in the future, and didn't actively seek them out and keep them in pristine condition.
This. Sports cards and comic books were printed on paper not fit to last and, in the case of sports cards, sold with chewing gum in some instances. They were garbage novelties and were treated as such. They command a high price because they depict legends in the field, and only the handful that belonged to the really careful kids (or maybe sometimes, adults) survived.
Speaking from a standpoint of cartridge only, it's nearly impossible to (accidentally) destroy a video game like you can destroy a comic book or sports card. You can fuck the label all to hell, yeah, but the game's still gonna play. Maybe it won't display too well, but it'll be in someone's collection, you can almost guarantee it. Boxes and manuals aren't that rare either, since a lot of (smart) people kept them because they are a part of the game, really. If one had parents like I had, at the very least the instruction manual was going to survive because you didn't want to end up forgetting how to play the game one day - but a lot of people used the boxes as a way to store and protect the game from dust and other daily mishaps, much like putting the cassette tape back into its plastic case.
Of course, something's only worth as much or as little as someone is willing to pay for it. The day might come that some idiot wants to pay six to seven digits for a sealed copy of Stadium Events or some other "gem", and in that moment, even if it never happens again, video games reached that point.
Especially when theres one already graded is available for 1/10th of that price! Or best offer!!
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I see now.. the seal is different.
Yeah... no way a different seal should make a game cost 30k though.
One tiny bend can make a 30k difference on a comic. One tiny scratch can make a 30k difference on a coin. One soft corner could mean 30k on a card. At the end of the day if your copy is a little better than someone else's the market at the very top will place a lot of value on that
Sure, but having that 30k comic in worse condition would probably still cost some thousands. Due to the much wider audience and quicker deterioration and lack of care towards paper comics and the other things you listed.
If I want a new super mario bros copy, I can likely get it for $300. Or, better yet, just spend $5-100 for a loose or cib copy.
Sealed collector's will spend insane amounts just for the perfect mint box and plastic wrap. I just hope this is for the love of the game and not something else, either way if it is the latter, we will see it again.
That's one way of looking at it; honestly when I see some cib and loose prices I think those are nuts. We're all into what we're into, and I'm not sure any group is more insane than the other.
That's one way of looking at it; honestly when I see some cib and loose prices I think those are nuts. We're all into what we're into, and I'm not sure any group is more insane than the other.
funny you say that. I was more into loose but switched to cib. Now when I look at loose prices I think "wtf people pay that for just a cart?"
I'm a Coin and currency collector myself. This is the case with nearly anything collectible. But especially with coins and paper money, when you get into grades above 60, each increment increases price exponentially.. I'm currently waiting for some coins to come back from Ngc myself, particularly an 1896 o Morgan, the difference between a ms63 and ms64 is around 4K
The seller of the smb could've done better I imagine had they had it graded, but I assume they didn't understand the minutiae of differences... neither did I for that matter until now.
The seller of the smb could've done better I imagine had they had it graded, but I assume they didn't understand the minutiae of differences... neither did I for that matter until now.
It is possible. Also possible that it would have sold for the exact same price if the second bidder bid all that he could afford.
With videogame collectors once you hit ~30k the rules of an open auction change a bit as bidders are priced out of the market.
Very true, i would agree that all of these prices are insane but like others i have experienced the cheap and plentiful era.
not even that. I was around for the cheaper era, but I look at a little Samson cart for 1k and think fuck that if rather buy a CIB wild guns for that price. People always say prices these days are insane but it really isn't that bad. That's just how the market goes. Seeing a 30k smb is insane to me, but I would never be in the market for one of those even if I could afford it. If you want something, you gotta pay up
Very true, i would agree that all of these prices are insane but like others i have experienced the cheap and plentiful era.
not even that. I was around for the cheaper era, but I look at a little Samson cart for 1k and think fuck that if rather buy a CIB wild guns for that price. People always say prices these days are insane but it really isn't that bad. That's just how the market goes. Seeing a 30k smb is insane to me, but I would never be in the market for one of those even if I could afford it. If you want something, you gotta pay up
well that's exactly right. Right now, right here, if you want something bad enough in video games most people can find a way to make it work. You can sell stuff, save money, sell your body to battymo, whatever. Its not 'easy' but if your mission in life is really to have X, you can make it happen with some combination of hustle, selling stuff, debt, kissing your wife's ass, or just plain old writing the check, whatever it is for you.
There are so few hobbies you can really say that about.
He overpaid, and by a fair margin, for that mario, but that's exactly the kind of game you want to overpay for. Mint condition, the most iconic game of all time, in a rare form. That will look cheap one day. Not now, and not for a while, but one day.
Fair enough, i do agree that mario is a game that has the right history and that would be worthy over time. I do believe there are cases of this game out there to be found or someone already has with the same revision that the $30K is, that is partly why i said i think it is insane.
Fair enough, i do agree that mario is a game that has the right history and that would be worthy over time. I do believe there are cases of this game out there to be found or someone already has with the same revision that the $30K is, that is partly why i said i think it is insane.
Say there's a case. You could sell each copy from the case today to six different buyers at 10k no problem. I'd buy one for that. 15k? Mmm.. you're probably only selling 2-3 copies. 30k? You're only selling a copy. Give it time and you'll have six people @30k is my point. Demand is an ocean on this title.
I actually disagree that he overpaid at $30k. I think that's a very fair price. I look at it as Stadium Events sealed or Mario hangtab Sealed and still have $12k to play with? The Mario is a no brainer decision IMO (if you had that money to spend.)
You're only looking at it as overspending because you have an earlier print gold. For the other 99.99% of the population who doesn't we look at it a bit differently.
I actually disagree that he overpaid at $30k. I think that's a very fair price. I look at it as Stadium Events sealed or Mario hangtab Sealed and still have $12k to play with? The Mario is a no brainer decision IMO (if you had that money to spend.)
You're only looking at it as overspending because you have an earlier print gold. For the other 99.99% of the population who doesn't we look at it a bit differently.
You take some strange stances sometimes. A week ago you would have been singing a completely different tune. You would have been calling anyone valuing a raw HT smb @30k every name in the book? And pointing at whatever ebay auctions you felt proved your point.
I look at it as overpaying in the moment because I don't feel confident at all that he could find someone to sell it to today without taking a bath. As I said above, he'll make money, and probably lots, on it in time.
Very true, i would agree that all of these prices are insane but like others i have experienced the cheap and plentiful era.
not even that. I was around for the cheaper era, but I look at a little Samson cart for 1k and think fuck that if rather buy a CIB wild guns for that price. People always say prices these days are insane but it really isn't that bad. That's just how the market goes. Seeing a 30k smb is insane to me, but I would never be in the market for one of those even if I could afford it. If you want something, you gotta pay up
well that's exactly right. Right now, right here, if you want something bad enough in video games most people can find a way to make it work. You can sell stuff, save money, sell your body to battymo, whatever. Its not 'easy' but if your mission in life is really to have X, you can make it happen with some combination of hustle, selling stuff, debt, kissing your wife's ass, or just plain old writing the check, whatever it is for you.
There are so few hobbies you can really say that about.
He overpaid, and by a fair margin, for that mario, but that's exactly the kind of game you want to overpay for. Mint condition, the most iconic game of all time, in a rare form. That will look cheap one day. Not now, and not for a while, but one day.
Even so, you don't take a true loss until you sell, and he did have at least one other dance partner at that price point.
If he hit a BIN that's one thing, you could write them off as a speed collector with deep pockets. But with an auction getting that kind of action, I'd put more stock in that kind of price data.
I actually disagree that he overpaid at $30k. I think that's a very fair price. I look at it as Stadium Events sealed or Mario hangtab Sealed and still have $12k to play with? The Mario is a no brainer decision IMO (if you had that money to spend.)
You're only looking at it as overspending because you have an earlier print gold. For the other 99.99% of the population who doesn't we look at it a bit differently.
You take some strange stances sometimes. A week ago you would have been singing a completely different tune. You would have been calling anyone valuing a raw HT smb @30k every name in the book? And pointing at whatever ebay auctions you felt proved your point.
I look at it as overpaying in the moment because I don't feel confident at all that he could find someone to sell it to today without taking a bath. As I said above, he'll make money, and probably lots, on it in time.
Yeah, I thought it would have gone for around $15k or so and it went nearly double. I see how you can think it went high in that line of thought. But relative to SE being a $42k sealed game (or NWC being $25k apparently ), then the $30k Mario Hangtab doesn't seem too bad to me in comparison.
With lots of unique items it is hard to weigh their values in cash. It's easier to compare it to other rares and decide what is more appealing.
I actually disagree that he overpaid at $30k. I think that's a very fair price. I look at it as Stadium Events sealed or Mario hangtab Sealed and still have $12k to play with? The Mario is a no brainer decision IMO (if you had that money to spend.)
You're only looking at it as overspending because you have an earlier print gold. For the other 99.99% of the population who doesn't we look at it a bit differently.
You take some strange stances sometimes. A week ago you would have been singing a completely different tune. You would have been calling anyone valuing a raw HT smb @30k every name in the book? And pointing at whatever ebay auctions you felt proved your point.
I look at it as overpaying in the moment because I don't feel confident at all that he could find someone to sell it to today without taking a bath. As I said above, he'll make money, and probably lots, on it in time.
Yeah, I thought it would have gone for around $15k or so and it went nearly double. I see how you can think it went high in that line of thought. But relative to SE being a $42k sealed game (or NWC being $25k apparently ), then the $30k Mario Hangtab doesn't seem too bad to me in comparison.
With lots of unique items it is hard to weigh their values in cash. It's easier to compare it to other rares and decide what is more appealing.
Okay, and comparing to past sales and past private offers on similar copies, of course, which is where you and I came to guessing 10-15k.
But, you know what, you and I both and others really haven't had much trouble accepting the price point which is one of those things that tells me its the real deal you know? Its the right game to fetch a high price.
Because Super Mario brothers defined a genre, SE as a game is crap and the history behind it is garbage in comparison but i think we are way to early to be at 30k. We have no idea how many more are in this condition and it is possible that we could be talking about more then a few cases here.
Say there's a case. You could sell each copy from the case today to six different buyers at 10k no problem. I'd buy one for that. 15k? Mmm.. you're probably only selling 2-3 copies. 30k? You're only selling a copy. Give it time and you'll have six people @30k is my point. Demand is an ocean on this title.
This hits the nail on head. Now we wait and let it unfold.
Well no offense redgemz but I think that's you not knowing the area so well. Show me a sealed hangtab box that IS common? There aren't any. Maybe Section Z. There's 100 HT boxes and they are all rare to exceptionally rare sealed
My point is we do not know how much supply is sitting in peoples hands and we have no idea how many of any game exists in a sealed form.
Sure we can count all the vga sealed and look at public records but i doubt that is all of the supply.
There are collector's out there that do not post their stuff online, we only know about what we have seen or heard about that exists today. In my opinion i think sealed collectors need to remember what is for sale today may not be the only ones available for all time.
Sure i am out of my element here but a prime example that proves my point is if you look in other hobbies you will always hear about that incredible find and it always happens. Video games are no different when it comes to that.
Well when I started 15 years ago I'd hear stories from the five years previous so that's 20 years with of public and private info... I'm certainly not just looking at the census. Something like this has always been rare. That being said, of course, more will be found, even though we are 32 years out. Point is, on this title, it doesn't matter. The demand will absorb the extra supply over time even if more is found.
If you ask joe public on the street what the most expensive Nintendo item is what would they guess? They'd associate Mario with Nintendo and guess 'Some rare Mario thing.' On some level it makes sense for something like this to move up the ranks.
I think prices have topped out. I've noticed SNES game prices seem to be lowering some.
I wonder if after people around 30-40 who grew up with NES, SNEs etc stop collecting and driving these crazy prices if anyone will even really collect the original cartridges? I'm sure some people will still play the games and they will be historically interesting but how many people born 20 years from now are going to care about owning a copy of Stadium Events or Dinosaur Peak? Let alone shell out thousands for one? How many people are going to care about having a room full of shelves with old games on them when they could just buy a tiny device that has them all on it? Or download them?
Its nostalgia s much as anything that's driving the prices. Once people who grew up with them lose interest in collecting I don't see prices rising any more. With comics some old ones are worth money because they're so rare and they're art and characters like Batman and Superman are bigger today than ever. Baseball cards are history and art too.
Video games are art, and their covers and labels etc are art but the main value in a game is playing it and the main "art" is the game itself. How many people are really interested in owning a sealed copy of a game? How many people really want to dedicate a large portion of their house to storing physical copies of games?
I mean I have no doubt that 50 years from now people will still pay huge money for Action Comics number 1 and the first issue of Detective Comics to have Batman......but Stadium Events? Little Sampson? TG16 games? I can't see there being a huge lucrative market for the original physical copies in 50 years.
I think prices have topped out. I've noticed SNES game prices seem to be lowering some.
I wonder if after people around 30-40 who grew up with NES, SNEs etc stop collecting and driving these crazy prices if anyone will even really collect the original cartridges? I'm sure some people will still play the games and they will be historically interesting but how many people born 20 years from now are going to care about owning a copy of Stadium Events or Dinosaur Peak? Let alone shell out thousands for one? How many people are going to care about having a room full of shelves with old games on them when they could just buy a tiny device that has them all on it? Or download them?
Its nostalgia s much as anything that's driving the prices. Once people who grew up with them lose interest in collecting I don't see prices rising any more. With comics some old ones are worth money because they're so rare and they're art and characters like Batman and Superman are bigger today than ever. Baseball cards are history and art too.
Video games are art, and their covers and labels etc are art but the main value in a game is playing it and the main "art" is the game itself. How many people are really interested in owning a sealed copy of a game? How many people really want to dedicate a large portion of their house to storing physical copies of games?
I mean I have no doubt that 50 years from now people will still pay huge money for Action Comics number 1 and the first issue of Detective Comics to have Batman......but Stadium Events? Little Sampson? TG16 games? I can't see there being a huge lucrative market for the original physical copies in 50 years.
Probably right on, my niece thinks some of these old games are fun but i do not see her collecting like i did back in 06.
I think prices have topped out. I've noticed SNES game prices seem to be lowering some.
I wonder if after people around 30-40 who grew up with NES, SNEs etc stop collecting and driving these crazy prices if anyone will even really collect the original cartridges? I'm sure some people will still play the games and they will be historically interesting but how many people born 20 years from now are going to care about owning a copy of Stadium Events or Dinosaur Peak? Let alone shell out thousands for one? How many people are going to care about having a room full of shelves with old games on them when they could just buy a tiny device that has them all on it? Or download them?
Its nostalgia s much as anything that's driving the prices. Once people who grew up with them lose interest in collecting I don't see prices rising any more. With comics some old ones are worth money because they're so rare and they're art and characters like Batman and Superman are bigger today than ever. Baseball cards are history and art too.
Video games are art, and their covers and labels etc are art but the main value in a game is playing it and the main "art" is the game itself. How many people are really interested in owning a sealed copy of a game? How many people really want to dedicate a large portion of their house to storing physical copies of games?
I mean I have no doubt that 50 years from now people will still pay huge money for Action Comics number 1 and the first issue of Detective Comics to have Batman......but Stadium Events? Little Sampson? TG16 games? I can't see there being a huge lucrative market for the original physical copies in 50 years.
Probably right on, my niece thinks some of these old games are fun but i do not see her collecting like i did back in 06.
I sold all my games when I moved in 2011, right before prices really went crazy (Great timing huh?). I didn't play 95% of the games I owned, they just sat around collecting dust so I didn't see the point in lugging them around and trying to find room for all of them. I just think as collectors get older a lot of them are going to come to the same conclusion.
I think prices have topped out. I've noticed SNES game prices seem to be lowering some.
I wonder if after people around 30-40 who grew up with NES, SNEs etc stop collecting and driving these crazy prices if anyone will even really collect the original cartridges? I'm sure some people will still play the games and they will be historically interesting but how many people born 20 years from now are going to care about owning a copy of Stadium Events or Dinosaur Peak? Let alone shell out thousands for one? How many people are going to care about having a room full of shelves with old games on them when they could just buy a tiny device that has them all on it? Or download them?
Its nostalgia s much as anything that's driving the prices. Once people who grew up with them lose interest in collecting I don't see prices rising any more. With comics some old ones are worth money because they're so rare and they're art and characters like Batman and Superman are bigger today than ever. Baseball cards are history and art too.
Video games are art, and their covers and labels etc are art but the main value in a game is playing it and the main "art" is the game itself. How many people are really interested in owning a sealed copy of a game? How many people really want to dedicate a large portion of their house to storing physical copies of games?
I mean I have no doubt that 50 years from now people will still pay huge money for Action Comics number 1 and the first issue of Detective Comics to have Batman......but Stadium Events? Little Sampson? TG16 games? I can't see there being a huge lucrative market for the original physical copies in 50 years.
Probably right on, my niece thinks some of these old games are fun but i do not see her collecting like i did back in 06.
I sold all my games when I moved in 2011, right before prices really went crazy (Great timing huh?). I didn't play 95% of the games I owned, they just sat around collecting dust so I didn't see the point in lugging them around and trying to find room for all of them. I just think as collectors get older a lot of them are going to come to the same conclusion.
I have come to that conlusion already but when I walk into my collection room the inward smile I get is still overwhelming. :-)
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My copy is better, it also comes with duckhunt.
Nice !
A sealed Mario Duck Hunt is by far the rarer item.
Nah I highly doubt it ever gets close. People are too "aware" of collecting, rarity, and associated value now. Those other things became so valuable because no one thought twice about them being million dollar items in the future, and didn't actively seek them out and keep them in pristine condition.
This. Sports cards and comic books were printed on paper not fit to last and, in the case of sports cards, sold with chewing gum in some instances. They were garbage novelties and were treated as such. They command a high price because they depict legends in the field, and only the handful that belonged to the really careful kids (or maybe sometimes, adults) survived.
Speaking from a standpoint of cartridge only, it's nearly impossible to (accidentally) destroy a video game like you can destroy a comic book or sports card. You can fuck the label all to hell, yeah, but the game's still gonna play. Maybe it won't display too well, but it'll be in someone's collection, you can almost guarantee it. Boxes and manuals aren't that rare either, since a lot of (smart) people kept them because they are a part of the game, really. If one had parents like I had, at the very least the instruction manual was going to survive because you didn't want to end up forgetting how to play the game one day - but a lot of people used the boxes as a way to store and protect the game from dust and other daily mishaps, much like putting the cassette tape back into its plastic case.
Of course, something's only worth as much or as little as someone is willing to pay for it. The day might come that some idiot wants to pay six to seven digits for a sealed copy of Stadium Events or some other "gem", and in that moment, even if it never happens again, video games reached that point.
Especially when theres one already graded is available for 1/10th of that price! Or best offer!!
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I see now.. the seal is different.
Yeah... no way a different seal should make a game cost 30k though.
One tiny bend can make a 30k difference on a comic. One tiny scratch can make a 30k difference on a coin. One soft corner could mean 30k on a card. At the end of the day if your copy is a little better than someone else's the market at the very top will place a lot of value on that
Sure, but having that 30k comic in worse condition would probably still cost some thousands. Due to the much wider audience and quicker deterioration and lack of care towards paper comics and the other things you listed.
If I want a new super mario bros copy, I can likely get it for $300. Or, better yet, just spend $5-100 for a loose or cib copy.
Quick Google of eBay shows this 1921 peace silver dollar for 200 http://m.ebay.com/itm/1921-Peace-Dollar-NGC-AU58-Key-Date-Beautiful-Silver-Coin-/322607617157?hash=item4b1ce99485:g:Y-oAAOSwBoZZc45e&_trkparms=pageci%3A5acc6631-7677-11e7-b54f-74dbd18023b3%7Cparentrq%3A9c31568b15d0a9c108d3ccadfff8c985%7Ciid%3A15
And this same this year same coin in better condition for 50k
http://m.ebay.com/itm/1921-US-Peace-Silver-Dollar-1-NGC-MS67-/401325668473?hash=item5d70dfb879:g:rcsAAOSww5hZFONK&_trkparms=pageci%3Ad486f700-7677-11e7-ae0c-74dbd180c464%7Cparentrq%3A9c34745215d0ab66f101cdf2fffdbe80%7Ciid%3A1
That's one way of looking at it; honestly when I see some cib and loose prices I think those are nuts. We're all into what we're into, and I'm not sure any group is more insane than the other.
funny you say that. I was more into loose but switched to cib. Now when I look at loose prices I think "wtf people pay that for just a cart?"
Not necessarily; a GL76 has gotten that figure for a 9.8 or you could get one for 200 dollars or less.
Quick Google of eBay shows this 1921 peace silver dollar for 200 http://m.ebay.com/itm/1921-Peace-...
And this same this year same coin in better condition for 50k
http://m.ebay.com/itm/1921-US-Pea...
I'm a Coin and currency collector myself. This is the case with nearly anything collectible. But especially with coins and paper money, when you get into grades above 60, each increment increases price exponentially.. I'm currently waiting for some coins to come back from Ngc myself, particularly an 1896 o Morgan, the difference between a ms63 and ms64 is around 4K
The seller of the smb could've done better I imagine had they had it graded, but I assume they didn't understand the minutiae of differences... neither did I for that matter until now.
The seller of the smb could've done better I imagine had they had it graded, but I assume they didn't understand the minutiae of differences... neither did I for that matter until now.
It is possible. Also possible that it would have sold for the exact same price if the second bidder bid all that he could afford.
With videogame collectors once you hit ~30k the rules of an open auction change a bit as bidders are priced out of the market.
Very true, i would agree that all of these prices are insane but like others i have experienced the cheap and plentiful era.
not even that. I was around for the cheaper era, but I look at a little Samson cart for 1k and think fuck that if rather buy a CIB wild guns for that price. People always say prices these days are insane but it really isn't that bad. That's just how the market goes. Seeing a 30k smb is insane to me, but I would never be in the market for one of those even if I could afford it. If you want something, you gotta pay up
Very true, i would agree that all of these prices are insane but like others i have experienced the cheap and plentiful era.
not even that. I was around for the cheaper era, but I look at a little Samson cart for 1k and think fuck that if rather buy a CIB wild guns for that price. People always say prices these days are insane but it really isn't that bad. That's just how the market goes. Seeing a 30k smb is insane to me, but I would never be in the market for one of those even if I could afford it. If you want something, you gotta pay up
well that's exactly right. Right now, right here, if you want something bad enough in video games most people can find a way to make it work. You can sell stuff, save money, sell your body to battymo, whatever. Its not 'easy' but if your mission in life is really to have X, you can make it happen with some combination of hustle, selling stuff, debt, kissing your wife's ass, or just plain old writing the check, whatever it is for you.
There are so few hobbies you can really say that about.
He overpaid, and by a fair margin, for that mario, but that's exactly the kind of game you want to overpay for. Mint condition, the most iconic game of all time, in a rare form. That will look cheap one day. Not now, and not for a while, but one day.
Fair enough, i do agree that mario is a game that has the right history and that would be worthy over time. I do believe there are cases of this game out there to be found or someone already has with the same revision that the $30K is, that is partly why i said i think it is insane.
Say there's a case. You could sell each copy from the case today to six different buyers at 10k no problem. I'd buy one for that. 15k? Mmm.. you're probably only selling 2-3 copies. 30k? You're only selling a copy. Give it time and you'll have six people @30k is my point. Demand is an ocean on this title.
You're only looking at it as overspending because you have an earlier print gold. For the other 99.99% of the population who doesn't we look at it a bit differently.
I actually disagree that he overpaid at $30k. I think that's a very fair price. I look at it as Stadium Events sealed or Mario hangtab Sealed and still have $12k to play with? The Mario is a no brainer decision IMO (if you had that money to spend.)
You're only looking at it as overspending because you have an earlier print gold. For the other 99.99% of the population who doesn't we look at it a bit differently.
You take some strange stances sometimes. A week ago you would have been singing a completely different tune. You would have been calling anyone valuing a raw HT smb @30k every name in the book? And pointing at whatever ebay auctions you felt proved your point.
I look at it as overpaying in the moment because I don't feel confident at all that he could find someone to sell it to today without taking a bath. As I said above, he'll make money, and probably lots, on it in time.
Very true, i would agree that all of these prices are insane but like others i have experienced the cheap and plentiful era.
not even that. I was around for the cheaper era, but I look at a little Samson cart for 1k and think fuck that if rather buy a CIB wild guns for that price. People always say prices these days are insane but it really isn't that bad. That's just how the market goes. Seeing a 30k smb is insane to me, but I would never be in the market for one of those even if I could afford it. If you want something, you gotta pay up
well that's exactly right. Right now, right here, if you want something bad enough in video games most people can find a way to make it work. You can sell stuff, save money, sell your body to battymo, whatever. Its not 'easy' but if your mission in life is really to have X, you can make it happen with some combination of hustle, selling stuff, debt, kissing your wife's ass, or just plain old writing the check, whatever it is for you.
There are so few hobbies you can really say that about.
He overpaid, and by a fair margin, for that mario, but that's exactly the kind of game you want to overpay for. Mint condition, the most iconic game of all time, in a rare form. That will look cheap one day. Not now, and not for a while, but one day.
Even so, you don't take a true loss until you sell, and he did have at least one other dance partner at that price point.
If he hit a BIN that's one thing, you could write them off as a speed collector with deep pockets. But with an auction getting that kind of action, I'd put more stock in that kind of price data.
I actually disagree that he overpaid at $30k. I think that's a very fair price. I look at it as Stadium Events sealed or Mario hangtab Sealed and still have $12k to play with? The Mario is a no brainer decision IMO (if you had that money to spend.)
You're only looking at it as overspending because you have an earlier print gold. For the other 99.99% of the population who doesn't we look at it a bit differently.
You take some strange stances sometimes. A week ago you would have been singing a completely different tune. You would have been calling anyone valuing a raw HT smb @30k every name in the book? And pointing at whatever ebay auctions you felt proved your point.
I look at it as overpaying in the moment because I don't feel confident at all that he could find someone to sell it to today without taking a bath. As I said above, he'll make money, and probably lots, on it in time.
Yeah, I thought it would have gone for around $15k or so and it went nearly double. I see how you can think it went high in that line of thought. But relative to SE being a $42k sealed game (or NWC being $25k apparently ), then the $30k Mario Hangtab doesn't seem too bad to me in comparison.
With lots of unique items it is hard to weigh their values in cash. It's easier to compare it to other rares and decide what is more appealing.
I actually disagree that he overpaid at $30k. I think that's a very fair price. I look at it as Stadium Events sealed or Mario hangtab Sealed and still have $12k to play with? The Mario is a no brainer decision IMO (if you had that money to spend.)
You're only looking at it as overspending because you have an earlier print gold. For the other 99.99% of the population who doesn't we look at it a bit differently.
You take some strange stances sometimes. A week ago you would have been singing a completely different tune. You would have been calling anyone valuing a raw HT smb @30k every name in the book? And pointing at whatever ebay auctions you felt proved your point.
I look at it as overpaying in the moment because I don't feel confident at all that he could find someone to sell it to today without taking a bath. As I said above, he'll make money, and probably lots, on it in time.
Yeah, I thought it would have gone for around $15k or so and it went nearly double. I see how you can think it went high in that line of thought. But relative to SE being a $42k sealed game (or NWC being $25k apparently ), then the $30k Mario Hangtab doesn't seem too bad to me in comparison.
With lots of unique items it is hard to weigh their values in cash. It's easier to compare it to other rares and decide what is more appealing.
Okay, and comparing to past sales and past private offers on similar copies, of course, which is where you and I came to guessing 10-15k.
But, you know what, you and I both and others really haven't had much trouble accepting the price point which is one of those things that tells me its the real deal you know? Its the right game to fetch a high price.
This hits the nail on head. Now we wait and let it unfold.
Sure we can count all the vga sealed and look at public records but i doubt that is all of the supply.
There are collector's out there that do not post their stuff online, we only know about what we have seen or heard about that exists today. In my opinion i think sealed collectors need to remember what is for sale today may not be the only ones available for all time.
Sure i am out of my element here but a prime example that proves my point is if you look in other hobbies you will always hear about that incredible find and it always happens. Video games are no different when it comes to that.
If you ask joe public on the street what the most expensive Nintendo item is what would they guess? They'd associate Mario with Nintendo and guess 'Some rare Mario thing.' On some level it makes sense for something like this to move up the ranks.
I wonder if after people around 30-40 who grew up with NES, SNEs etc stop collecting and driving these crazy prices if anyone will even really collect the original cartridges? I'm sure some people will still play the games and they will be historically interesting but how many people born 20 years from now are going to care about owning a copy of Stadium Events or Dinosaur Peak? Let alone shell out thousands for one? How many people are going to care about having a room full of shelves with old games on them when they could just buy a tiny device that has them all on it? Or download them?
Its nostalgia s much as anything that's driving the prices. Once people who grew up with them lose interest in collecting I don't see prices rising any more. With comics some old ones are worth money because they're so rare and they're art and characters like Batman and Superman are bigger today than ever. Baseball cards are history and art too.
Video games are art, and their covers and labels etc are art but the main value in a game is playing it and the main "art" is the game itself. How many people are really interested in owning a sealed copy of a game? How many people really want to dedicate a large portion of their house to storing physical copies of games?
I mean I have no doubt that 50 years from now people will still pay huge money for Action Comics number 1 and the first issue of Detective Comics to have Batman......but Stadium Events? Little Sampson? TG16 games? I can't see there being a huge lucrative market for the original physical copies in 50 years.
I think prices have topped out. I've noticed SNES game prices seem to be lowering some.
I wonder if after people around 30-40 who grew up with NES, SNEs etc stop collecting and driving these crazy prices if anyone will even really collect the original cartridges? I'm sure some people will still play the games and they will be historically interesting but how many people born 20 years from now are going to care about owning a copy of Stadium Events or Dinosaur Peak? Let alone shell out thousands for one? How many people are going to care about having a room full of shelves with old games on them when they could just buy a tiny device that has them all on it? Or download them?
Its nostalgia s much as anything that's driving the prices. Once people who grew up with them lose interest in collecting I don't see prices rising any more. With comics some old ones are worth money because they're so rare and they're art and characters like Batman and Superman are bigger today than ever. Baseball cards are history and art too.
Video games are art, and their covers and labels etc are art but the main value in a game is playing it and the main "art" is the game itself. How many people are really interested in owning a sealed copy of a game? How many people really want to dedicate a large portion of their house to storing physical copies of games?
I mean I have no doubt that 50 years from now people will still pay huge money for Action Comics number 1 and the first issue of Detective Comics to have Batman......but Stadium Events? Little Sampson? TG16 games? I can't see there being a huge lucrative market for the original physical copies in 50 years.
Probably right on, my niece thinks some of these old games are fun but i do not see her collecting like i did back in 06.
I think prices have topped out. I've noticed SNES game prices seem to be lowering some.
I wonder if after people around 30-40 who grew up with NES, SNEs etc stop collecting and driving these crazy prices if anyone will even really collect the original cartridges? I'm sure some people will still play the games and they will be historically interesting but how many people born 20 years from now are going to care about owning a copy of Stadium Events or Dinosaur Peak? Let alone shell out thousands for one? How many people are going to care about having a room full of shelves with old games on them when they could just buy a tiny device that has them all on it? Or download them?
Its nostalgia s much as anything that's driving the prices. Once people who grew up with them lose interest in collecting I don't see prices rising any more. With comics some old ones are worth money because they're so rare and they're art and characters like Batman and Superman are bigger today than ever. Baseball cards are history and art too.
Video games are art, and their covers and labels etc are art but the main value in a game is playing it and the main "art" is the game itself. How many people are really interested in owning a sealed copy of a game? How many people really want to dedicate a large portion of their house to storing physical copies of games?
I mean I have no doubt that 50 years from now people will still pay huge money for Action Comics number 1 and the first issue of Detective Comics to have Batman......but Stadium Events? Little Sampson? TG16 games? I can't see there being a huge lucrative market for the original physical copies in 50 years.
Probably right on, my niece thinks some of these old games are fun but i do not see her collecting like i did back in 06.
I sold all my games when I moved in 2011, right before prices really went crazy (Great timing huh?). I didn't play 95% of the games I owned, they just sat around collecting dust so I didn't see the point in lugging them around and trying to find room for all of them. I just think as collectors get older a lot of them are going to come to the same conclusion.
I think prices have topped out. I've noticed SNES game prices seem to be lowering some.
I wonder if after people around 30-40 who grew up with NES, SNEs etc stop collecting and driving these crazy prices if anyone will even really collect the original cartridges? I'm sure some people will still play the games and they will be historically interesting but how many people born 20 years from now are going to care about owning a copy of Stadium Events or Dinosaur Peak? Let alone shell out thousands for one? How many people are going to care about having a room full of shelves with old games on them when they could just buy a tiny device that has them all on it? Or download them?
Its nostalgia s much as anything that's driving the prices. Once people who grew up with them lose interest in collecting I don't see prices rising any more. With comics some old ones are worth money because they're so rare and they're art and characters like Batman and Superman are bigger today than ever. Baseball cards are history and art too.
Video games are art, and their covers and labels etc are art but the main value in a game is playing it and the main "art" is the game itself. How many people are really interested in owning a sealed copy of a game? How many people really want to dedicate a large portion of their house to storing physical copies of games?
I mean I have no doubt that 50 years from now people will still pay huge money for Action Comics number 1 and the first issue of Detective Comics to have Batman......but Stadium Events? Little Sampson? TG16 games? I can't see there being a huge lucrative market for the original physical copies in 50 years.
Probably right on, my niece thinks some of these old games are fun but i do not see her collecting like i did back in 06.
I sold all my games when I moved in 2011, right before prices really went crazy (Great timing huh?). I didn't play 95% of the games I owned, they just sat around collecting dust so I didn't see the point in lugging them around and trying to find room for all of them. I just think as collectors get older a lot of them are going to come to the same conclusion.
I have come to that conlusion already but when I walk into my collection room the inward smile I get is still overwhelming. :-)