I don't know anything about what they say on their podcast because I don't listen (which is the advice I give everyone who doesn't care for their show).
Pat did do a write up a for the ezine about how he acquired the cart years ago:
From what is stated Ian doesn't own the store, he is an employee. So once the cart was property of the store it wasn't his call what was done with it.
It's unfortunate this is the reason the OP joined the site...I guess I won't get too familiar.
Thanks for turning me on to this mag. I greatly enjoyed reading it.
We felt like Old West gold miners who had struck it rich. Simultaneously, we laughed like schoolgirls who had just won a lifetime supply of My Little Pony dolls.
Too many people have gotten burned in the past trying to be the good guy. Some lady is asking five bucks for Some game and you decide to tell her it's worth more, and all the sudden she wants twice as much as it's worth.
I doubt Ian would have walked up to the guy at a garage sale and said I'll give you five bucks for that box of worthless games, knowing there were valuable games in there, thats a scumbag reseller.
Buying 20 NES classic's to immediately sell them for $400 each is a scumbag reseller.
It's been a while since I listened to it, but I think the story was that someone came in with a bag of games and wanted cash ASAP and wouldn't wait until Ian was done with another customer in order to go through his bag. Ian took a minute and looked in the bag and saw a bunch of sports games on top so he offered the guy $25 and the dude left and was never heard from again. What else do you suggest Ian should have done in this situation?
Anyway, either the OP is trolling or just trying to stir up some sh1t. If you want to hate on their podcast, there are much better reasons to do so.
I just read the NA magazine that was posted and I would suggest others read Pat's article if they're interested in it as well.
As for what the OP is wondering, I think 3 questions are still left (after reading the article). Normally, (never been to Luna) to get store credit you have to leave some type of information that links to you such as phone number or email address. So, did they ever try to contact the guy to let him know of his mistake? Honestly, they don't really NEED to do that since the guy traded in for store credit and walked away seemingly happy. Did the guy ever come back in to use his store credit? If so, did they ever mention the NWC to him? Again, there would be no need for them to do such a thing.
In an age where the average common game was two bucks, I can see a situation where someone just throws some cash out for a bag of random Nintendo games. Things weren't like how they are now.
I spoke to Ian (online) about the story awhile back. His version that he told me was something like this. I'm going off memory.
"It was around the time of the xbox 360 red ring epidemic. I was the dude at Luna that could fix them, and had like a stack of them to get through. It was a weekend and the store was packed.
Dude came up to the counter while I'm working on one and said, "Hey, I'm in a bit of a hurry, can I just get an NES power supply? I got these games I can trade." Still holding a 360 in my hand, I looked inside the bag and immediately saw Tecmo Super Bowl and Ice Hockey. I figured for that alone I could get enough to cover the supply. I asked the dude if he wanted any credit and he said no. So I handed him one off the shelf and he left. I put the bag aside and fixed the console.
Later, I went through the bag, and ... there it was. I sent Pat some photos and he came over and we jumped up and down like schoolgirls. Pat, Treg (Luna's owner) and I later went out for drinks and Pat discussed making a deal with Treg for it, and they made a deal."
AFAIK, Ian never saw the guy again, and has said he felt terrible.
He also said that had he saw the NWC, he'd have said, "I don't know where you got this, but it's worth (I think at the time) $4000, and you should probably sell it on Ebay or to a private collector."
Scumbag Seller of the Week deals with calling out people selling fakes. So in that regard, the situation described in the OP is approximately 0% related. What we're really trying to argue is that getting a good deal as a buyer can be a scumbag move...which is technically possible, but certainly not the case described in the OP. There wasn't anything nefarious about the deal. If you're a seller, and you don't know the value of your own product, then you're going to learn an expensive lesson if you learn anything at all.
If the guy throws the game on eBay for $20 instead of going to a store and getting $20, this topic doesn't even get made.
Don't know enough about Ian to make a call on his character, and Pat is an okay guy by me.
Id like to imagine that the NWC was fortunate to end up in collector hands than into a dump if the original owner cared so little about it that he accepted a couple bucks.
What's odd to me though is I could have sworn I've seen a provenance record of the cartridge on the Pawn Stars show. Maybe that's just Pat connecting the dots himself, maybe he spoke with DreamTR to rule out whose copy he bought, or maybe the whole origin story is just for entertainment value and he bought the cart from the owner directly.
Either way, it bears no difference since it's in his hands and the guy is clearly humble about itsince it's not brought up in his content or shown in his collection, so it's in good hands if you ask me.
Did you really type that with a straight face? That's like saying you never spoke of your SE.
I've seen 2 videos with this Pat guy in it. If it wasnt for these types of threads I wouldn't know who he was.
The ones I have seen are the Pawn Stars segment and the one with him and Angry Video Game Nerd fighting over the Championship cart.
So 2 out 2 were based just on this game alone.
Not that there is anything wrong with that but it is no secret that he owns an NWC cart.
Good for him. He should be excited to own one and share it.
Like I said when I have brought it up to Pat he's blocked and deleted my comments.
How are you bringing it up to him? He generally lets a lot of negative comments go by without commenting or deleting, so if he's deleting yours, I can only imagine what they say.
And I don't know why we're suddenly the clearinghouse on hit pieces on Pat. I get that he's had problems with the forum before, but he does still post here from time to time.
Easy answer to why Ian would give a guy a random amount of money: Guy was probably desperate and needed the cash, didn't care about the value or gaming in general, Ian didn't have much cash/couldn't give out much on stuff that couldn't move in his store, etc. There's been times when game stores weren't totally obligated to look up every value. Not sure what the legal precedent was in all this at the time, but to me it's not an unethical one, nor was it probably unprofessional. IMO.
Of course, all this is conjecture, so your guess is as good as mine.
But in all honesty, I don't really care what they do. Nor should any of us for that matter.
I think OP is talking about the grey, not the gold. Which I do vaguely remember a story about it coming from Luna.
This was in response to Joseph. Oh, and BA is correct as far as I know. Ian does not own the store and he mentions the owner frequently. I don't know why people always talk like Ian is the top guy there. He might be a partner or next in charge, though.
I didn't talk like Ian was the owner, but ......he is the guy who made the deal. He is the guy who is always talking about how fair and honest he is with customers. He is the guy who just gave a guy credit without (allegedly) even bothering to look what the guy was trading in. How often do you think he does that? I bet he never does it.....except of course in this case and wasn't it lucky for him? A game worth thousands was in the bag he didn't (allegedly) bother looking through.
Ian is also the guy who immediately called Pat and helped Pat broker the deal to buy the game.
Ive sold and bought games, systems, cars, guitars, collectibles, etc. For a few years it was my main source of income.....but I never ripped anyone off and never would. I don't need money that badly. And I absolutely never bought anything without even bothering to see what I was buying like Ian (allegedly) did.
Easy answer to why Ian would give a guy a random amount of money: Guy was probably desperate and needed the cash, didn't care about the value or gaming in general, Ian didn't have much cash/couldn't give out much on stuff that couldn't move in his store, etc. There's been times when game stores weren't totally obligated to look up every value. Not sure what the legal precedent was in all this at the time, but to me it's not an unethical one, nor was it probably unprofessional. IMO.
Of course, all this is conjecture, so your guess is as good as mine.
But in all honesty, I don't really care what they do. Nor should any of us for that matter.
So how would Ian know the value of the credit was less than the value of the games? People in business to,make a profit don't make deals without knowing the values involved.
I dont believe for one second he just glanced at why the guy had and gave him dome random amount. Like I said isn't it lucky for him that there was a game worth thousands in the guy's stuff?
I don't find Pat and Ian entertaining so I can't comment on their channel or what they do or don't post, but the buyer is not required to educate the seller. The seller is required to educate him or herself.
I think OP is talking about the grey, not the gold. Which I do vaguely remember a story about it coming from Luna.
This was in response to Joseph. Oh, and BA is correct as far as I know. Ian does not own the store and he mentions the owner frequently. I don't know why people always talk like Ian is the top guy there. He might be a partner or next in charge, though.
I didn't talk like Ian was the owner, but ......he is the guy who made the deal. He is the guy who is always talking about how fair and honest he is with customers. He is the guy who just gave a guy credit without (allegedly) even bothering to look what the guy was trading in. How often do you think he does that? I bet he never does it.....except of course in this case and wasn't it lucky for him? A game worth thousands was in the bag he didn't (allegedly) bother looking through.
Ian is also the guy who immediately called Pat and helped Pat broker the deal to buy the game.
Ive sold and bought games, systems, cars, guitars, collectibles, etc. For a few years it was my main source of income.....but I never ripped anyone off and never would. I don't need money that badly. And I absolutely never bought anything without even bothering to see what I was buying like Ian (allegedly) did.
Didn't say you specifically. Someone else stated Ian was not the owner and I was agreeing. People do often mention him like he owns Luna. I believe Ian himself has tried to correct people on the podcast.
It was no dig at you. I'm sorry that it appeared that way.
Like I said when I have brought it up to Pat he's blocked and deleted my comments.
How are you bringing it up to him? He generally lets a lot of negative comments go by without commenting or deleting, so if he's deleting yours, I can only imagine what they say.
And I don't know why we're suddenly the clearinghouse on hit pieces on Pat. I get that he's had problems with the forum before, but he does still post here from time to time.
Youre not a clearinghouse, you didn't have to reply if you didn't want to. But you apparently did want to.....
And "hit piece"? Pat constantly talks about dealers or sellers ripping people off, price gauging, screwing with "his" hobby. have you ever heard him rant and rave and cuss about those "pieces of shit" at the flea market? Or about dealers who buy up games at shows and resell them for higher prices? Or people who buy up copies of games to drive up prices? Hey, those guys are in business right? They're just making a buck, right? "People get screwed everyday in video game stores" right?
So.....why when someone holds Pat to the same standard he holds others to is it a "hit piece"?
I think OP is talking about the grey, not the gold. Which I do vaguely remember a story about it coming from Luna.
This was in response to Joseph. Oh, and BA is correct as far as I know. Ian does not own the store and he mentions the owner frequently. I don't know why people always talk like Ian is the top guy there. He might be a partner or next in charge, though.
I didn't talk like Ian was the owner, but ......he is the guy who made the deal. He is the guy who is always talking about how fair and honest he is with customers. He is the guy who just gave a guy credit without (allegedly) even bothering to look what the guy was trading in. How often do you think he does that? I bet he never does it.....except of course in this case and wasn't it lucky for him? A game worth thousands was in the bag he didn't (allegedly) bother looking through.
Ian is also the guy who immediately called Pat and helped Pat broker the deal to buy the game.
Ive sold and bought games, systems, cars, guitars, collectibles, etc. For a few years it was my main source of income.....but I never ripped anyone off and never would. I don't need money that badly. And I absolutely never bought anything without even bothering to see what I was buying like Ian (allegedly) did.
Didn't say you specifically. Someone else stated Ian was not the owner and I was agreeing. People do often mention him like he owns Luna. I believe Ian himself has tried to correct people on the podcast. It was no dig at you. I'm sorry that it appeared that way.
It's cool. I just assumed since you were talking about the "OP" you were referring to me. I didn't mean any offense to you either.
I wouldn't really call it scummy. I've been running a flea market booth for a local store for about 6 months now, and people bring stuff in from time to time. I've had someone throw a stack of Wii games on the counter and say, I want $20 for these, looking at the top game, I see it's a $20 dollar game, I pay the guy, he leaves happy, and that's that, for what it's worth, I think the whole stack of games ended up being something I'd have paid about $35 for anyway. I also had a guy tell me he had some old NES games and a system he wanted to sell, but didn't really know what they were worth. I went through game by game with him letting him know what I'd sell it for, and what I'd pay, I ended up buying his stuff too, and he was fine with it.
If there was an NWC at a yard sale for $5, I'd buy it, and aside from being happy to have it, I doubt I'd give it much thought. If someone brought one in to the booth I run and asked what it was worth, I'd tell them, and I wouldn't give that much thought either. From the story it sounds like the guy just wanted a power supply and didn't want the bag of games, it'd be scummy if he asked what they were worth, but if he's just trying to make a quick trade and the store was busy, I wouldn't say that situation should lump Pat and Ian in with the sorts of sellers they're calling out.
I don't find Pat and Ian entertaining so I can't comment on their channel or what they do or don't post, but the buyer is not required to educate the seller. The seller is required to educate him or herself.
I don't find their podcast entertaining usually, sometimes it's interesting but a lot of the times it's just them ranting or bitching., but I do like his NES Punk videos or I like them enough to watch them when they pop up in my feed.
But Pat is constantly lecturing on the morals of other sellers. I mean, did you see what he said about people who bought up NES Classics to resell?
My point is Pat presents himself as the moral authority on collecting and Ian claims he's always honest and fair. Giving a guy 25 bucks in store credit for a game worth thousands and then flipping it to your buddy doesn't sound all that honest to me.
My my, and I thought I was the angry one...... Look it guy, if your so angry about the situation and feel like they fucked somebody over give Luna a call and see if you can get in touch with them. Get the real story..... Thats all I can tell you, because your kicking a dead horse.
I wouldn't really call it scummy. I've been running a flea market booth for a local store for about 6 months now, and people bring stuff in from time to time. I've had someone throw a stack of Wii games on the counter and say, I want $20 for these, looking at the top game, I see it's a $20 dollar game, I pay the guy, he leaves happy, and that's that, for what it's worth, I think the whole stack of games ended up being something I'd have paid about $35 for anyway. I also had a guy tell me he had some old NES games and a system he wanted to sell, but didn't really know what they were worth. I went through game by game with him letting him know what I'd sell it for, and what I'd pay, I ended up buying his stuff too, and he was fine with it.
If there was an NWC at a yard sale for $5, I'd buy it, and aside from being happy to have it, I doubt I'd give it much thought. If someone brought one in to the booth I run and asked what it was worth, I'd tell them, and I wouldn't give that much thought either. From the story it sounds like the guy just wanted a power supply and didn't want the bag of games, it'd be scummy if he asked what they were worth, but if he's just trying to make a quick trade and the store was busy, I wouldn't say that situation should lump Pat and Ian in with the sorts of sellers they're calling out.
Yeah but after you bought your $5 NWC cart would you then start a podcast where you preach morality and shame and attack others for not being what you consider "a good hobbyist"?
Whats the difference in what Pat and Ian did and somebody who buys every NES Classic they can toflip on EBay? So they're asking $200 bucks for one.....nobody has to pay it, right?
But.....according to Pat and Ian a person who flips NES Classics on a Ebay for several times it's MSRP is a "scumbag seller" but giving a guy $25 bucks credit for a game worth thousands is A-OK.
My my, and I thought I was the angry one...... Look it guy, if your so angry about the situation and feel like they fucked somebody over give Luna a call and see if you can get in touch with them. Get the real story..... Thats all I can tell you, because your kicking a dead horse.
You obviously are angry. And if it's a dead horse why are you here kicking it too? Plenty of other threads here....but you read and replied to this one yourself.
Like I said when I have brought it up to Pat he's blocked and deleted my comments.
How are you bringing it up to him? He generally lets a lot of negative comments go by without commenting or deleting, so if he's deleting yours, I can only imagine what they say.
And I don't know why we're suddenly the clearinghouse on hit pieces on Pat. I get that he's had problems with the forum before, but he does still post here from time to time.
Youre not a clearinghouse, you didn't have to reply if you didn't want to. But you apparently did want to.....
And "hit piece"? Pat constantly talks about dealers or sellers ripping people off, price gauging, screwing with "his" hobby. have you ever heard him rant and rave and cuss about those "pieces of shit" at the flea market? Or about dealers who buy up games at shows and resell them for higher prices? Or people who buy up copies of games to drive up prices? Hey, those guys are in business right? They're just making a buck, right? "People get screwed everyday in video game stores" right?
So.....why when someone holds Pat to the same standard he holds others to is it a "hit piece"?
Not trying to stir shit up .............
Just so you know (as your a new member) almost every post started about Pat ends up getting locked because he starts getting trashed. He is a member here, and thats not what this site is about.
Easy answer to why Ian would give a guy a random amount of money: Guy was probably desperate and needed the cash, didn't care about the value or gaming in general, Ian didn't have much cash/couldn't give out much on stuff that couldn't move in his store, etc. There's been times when game stores weren't totally obligated to look up every value. Not sure what the legal precedent was in all this at the time, but to me it's not an unethical one, nor was it probably unprofessional. IMO.
Of course, all this is conjecture, so your guess is as good as mine.
But in all honesty, I don't really care what they do. Nor should any of us for that matter.
So how would Ian know the value of the credit was less than the value of the games? People in business to,make a profit don't make deals without knowing the values involved.
I dont believe for one second he just glanced at why the guy had and gave him dome random amount. Like I said isn't it lucky for him that there was a game worth thousands in the guy's stuff?
Did Ian actually knew there was a NWC in the box, or did he find out afterwards? Who knows what or why things happened, because it's really none of my business. I don't know what went on, but if one were to specualte:
*customer walks in with a box full of NES games*
Customer: Hey, I need some cash. My car needs gas, I got kids to feed, etc. What can you do for me?
Gamestore clerk: Look, I can look them up, and they're probably worth more than I can give you, but I don't have much cash today.
Customer: I know they're probably worth more cuz there's a lot in there, but I don't care, I'm in a hurry and I want them gone. I'm only asking for 5-6 bucks.
Gamestore clerk: Okay, if that's all you want, I can afford that.
Customer: Deal!
^ Sounds like something that's not out of the ordinary. Ian can probably guesstimate the values at a first glance, then get better values after the fact?
I actually work at a gamestore personally (Been working in one for 17 years), and this type of stuff happens all the time back in my heyday. I've made deals before with both sides not knowing the values on things. Sometimes people just want to get rid of their shit, and if both sides are happy, then that should be that. Somethings things don't work out, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
I dunno, I'm just giving you my guess as I don't honestly know or care. If the guy who sold Ian the NWC wants to call him out, let it be between them.
I don't find Pat and Ian entertaining so I can't comment on their channel or what they do or don't post, but the buyer is not required to educate the seller. The seller is required to educate him or herself.
I don't find their podcast entertaining usually, sometimes it's interesting but a lot of the times it's just them ranting or bitching., but I do like his NES Punk videos or I like them enough to watch them when they pop up in my feed.
But Pat is constantly lecturing on the morals of other sellers. I mean, did you see what he said about people who bought up NES Classics to resell?
No I did not. I don't like his content so I don't watch or listen to it. You should try it, you'd be less frustrated over this situation I guarantee you.
Like I said when I have brought it up to Pat he's blocked and deleted my comments.
How are you bringing it up to him? He generally lets a lot of negative comments go by without commenting or deleting, so if he's deleting yours, I can only imagine what they say.
And I don't know why we're suddenly the clearinghouse on hit pieces on Pat. I get that he's had problems with the forum before, but he does still post here from time to time.
Youre not a clearinghouse, you didn't have to reply if you didn't want to. But you apparently did want to.....
And "hit piece"? Pat constantly talks about dealers or sellers ripping people off, price gauging, screwing with "his" hobby. have you ever heard him rant and rave and cuss about those "pieces of shit" at the flea market? Or about dealers who buy up games at shows and resell them for higher prices? Or people who buy up copies of games to drive up prices? Hey, those guys are in business right? They're just making a buck, right? "People get screwed everyday in video game stores" right?
So.....why when someone holds Pat to the same standard he holds others to is it a "hit piece"?
Not trying to stir shit up .............
Just so you know (as your a new member) almost every post started about Pat ends up getting locked because he starts getting trashed. He is a member here, and thats not what this site is about.
Yeah exactly. This thread is already on life support.
My my, and I thought I was the angry one...... Look it guy, if your so angry about the situation and feel like they fucked somebody over give Luna a call and see if you can get in touch with them. Get the real story..... Thats all I can tell you, because your kicking a dead horse.
You obviously are angry. And if it's a dead horse why are you here kicking it too? Plenty of other threads here....but you read and replied to this one yourself.
I'm not kicking anything, I don't give a shit what Pat has or doesn't have or if Ian's a crook or not it doesn't effect me either way. So with that, happy ranting buddy enjoy the site!
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I don't know anything about what they say on their podcast because I don't listen (which is the advice I give everyone who doesn't care for their show).
Pat did do a write up a for the ezine about how he acquired the cart years ago:
http://static.nintendoagemedia.co...
From what is stated Ian doesn't own the store, he is an employee. So once the cart was property of the store it wasn't his call what was done with it.
It's unfortunate this is the reason the OP joined the site...I guess I won't get too familiar.
Thanks for turning me on to this mag. I greatly enjoyed reading it.
We felt like Old West gold miners who had struck it rich. Simultaneously, we laughed like schoolgirls who had just won a lifetime supply of My Little Pony dolls.
Atleast I know someone else feels like this. :-)
Why listen to negativity?!
give The Assembly Line podcast a try - it's sure to charm the controller right out of your hand!
Hahahahahahahaha.
Too many people have gotten burned in the past trying to be the good guy. Some lady is asking five bucks for Some game and you decide to tell her it's worth more, and all the sudden she wants twice as much as it's worth.
I doubt Ian would have walked up to the guy at a garage sale and said I'll give you five bucks for that box of worthless games, knowing there were valuable games in there, thats a scumbag reseller.
Buying 20 NES classic's to immediately sell them for $400 each is a scumbag reseller.
It's been a while since I listened to it, but I think the story was that someone came in with a bag of games and wanted cash ASAP and wouldn't wait until Ian was done with another customer in order to go through his bag. Ian took a minute and looked in the bag and saw a bunch of sports games on top so he offered the guy $25 and the dude left and was never heard from again. What else do you suggest Ian should have done in this situation?
Anyway, either the OP is trolling or just trying to stir up some sh1t. If you want to hate on their podcast, there are much better reasons to do so.
I think the Op is that guy from storage wars that hates Pat.
nah, the guy from pawn stars still salty about him not selling both nwcs
As for what the OP is wondering, I think 3 questions are still left (after reading the article). Normally, (never been to Luna) to get store credit you have to leave some type of information that links to you such as phone number or email address. So, did they ever try to contact the guy to let him know of his mistake? Honestly, they don't really NEED to do that since the guy traded in for store credit and walked away seemingly happy. Did the guy ever come back in to use his store credit? If so, did they ever mention the NWC to him? Again, there would be no need for them to do such a thing.
"It was around the time of the xbox 360 red ring epidemic. I was the dude at Luna that could fix them, and had like a stack of them to get through. It was a weekend and the store was packed.
Dude came up to the counter while I'm working on one and said, "Hey, I'm in a bit of a hurry, can I just get an NES power supply? I got these games I can trade." Still holding a 360 in my hand, I looked inside the bag and immediately saw Tecmo Super Bowl and Ice Hockey. I figured for that alone I could get enough to cover the supply. I asked the dude if he wanted any credit and he said no. So I handed him one off the shelf and he left. I put the bag aside and fixed the console.
Later, I went through the bag, and ... there it was. I sent Pat some photos and he came over and we jumped up and down like schoolgirls. Pat, Treg (Luna's owner) and I later went out for drinks and Pat discussed making a deal with Treg for it, and they made a deal."
AFAIK, Ian never saw the guy again, and has said he felt terrible.
He also said that had he saw the NWC, he'd have said, "I don't know where you got this, but it's worth (I think at the time) $4000, and you should probably sell it on Ebay or to a private collector."
If the guy throws the game on eBay for $20 instead of going to a store and getting $20, this topic doesn't even get made.
Don't know enough about Ian to make a call on his character, and Pat is an okay guy by me.
Id like to imagine that the NWC was fortunate to end up in collector hands than into a dump if the original owner cared so little about it that he accepted a couple bucks.
What's odd to me though is I could have sworn I've seen a provenance record of the cartridge on the Pawn Stars show. Maybe that's just Pat connecting the dots himself, maybe he spoke with DreamTR to rule out whose copy he bought, or maybe the whole origin story is just for entertainment value and he bought the cart from the owner directly.
Either way, it bears no difference since it's in his hands and the guy is clearly humble about it since it's not brought up in his content or shown in his collection, so it's in good hands if you ask me.
Did you really type that with a straight face? That's like saying you never spoke of your SE.
I've seen 2 videos with this Pat guy in it. If it wasnt for these types of threads I wouldn't know who he was.
The ones I have seen are the Pawn Stars segment and the one with him and Angry Video Game Nerd fighting over the Championship cart.
So 2 out 2 were based just on this game alone.
Not that there is anything wrong with that but it is no secret that he owns an NWC cart.
Good for him. He should be excited to own one and share it.
Like I said when I have brought it up to Pat he's blocked and deleted my comments.
How are you bringing it up to him? He generally lets a lot of negative comments go by without commenting or deleting, so if he's deleting yours, I can only imagine what they say.
And I don't know why we're suddenly the clearinghouse on hit pieces on Pat. I get that he's had problems with the forum before, but he does still post here from time to time.
Of course, all this is conjecture, so your guess is as good as mine.
But in all honesty, I don't really care what they do. Nor should any of us for that matter.
I think OP is talking about the grey, not the gold. Which I do vaguely remember a story about it coming from Luna.
This was in response to Joseph. Oh, and BA is correct as far as I know. Ian does not own the store and he mentions the owner frequently. I don't know why people always talk like Ian is the top guy there. He might be a partner or next in charge, though.
I didn't talk like Ian was the owner, but ......he is the guy who made the deal. He is the guy who is always talking about how fair and honest he is with customers. He is the guy who just gave a guy credit without (allegedly) even bothering to look what the guy was trading in. How often do you think he does that? I bet he never does it.....except of course in this case and wasn't it lucky for him? A game worth thousands was in the bag he didn't (allegedly) bother looking through.
Ian is also the guy who immediately called Pat and helped Pat broker the deal to buy the game.
Ive sold and bought games, systems, cars, guitars, collectibles, etc. For a few years it was my main source of income.....but I never ripped anyone off and never would. I don't need money that badly. And I absolutely never bought anything without even bothering to see what I was buying like Ian (allegedly) did.
Easy answer to why Ian would give a guy a random amount of money: Guy was probably desperate and needed the cash, didn't care about the value or gaming in general, Ian didn't have much cash/couldn't give out much on stuff that couldn't move in his store, etc. There's been times when game stores weren't totally obligated to look up every value. Not sure what the legal precedent was in all this at the time, but to me it's not an unethical one, nor was it probably unprofessional. IMO.
Of course, all this is conjecture, so your guess is as good as mine.
But in all honesty, I don't really care what they do. Nor should any of us for that matter.
So how would Ian know the value of the credit was less than the value of the games? People in business to,make a profit don't make deals without knowing the values involved.
I dont believe for one second he just glanced at why the guy had and gave him dome random amount. Like I said isn't it lucky for him that there was a game worth thousands in the guy's stuff?
I think OP is talking about the grey, not the gold. Which I do vaguely remember a story about it coming from Luna.
This was in response to Joseph. Oh, and BA is correct as far as I know. Ian does not own the store and he mentions the owner frequently. I don't know why people always talk like Ian is the top guy there. He might be a partner or next in charge, though.
I didn't talk like Ian was the owner, but ......he is the guy who made the deal. He is the guy who is always talking about how fair and honest he is with customers. He is the guy who just gave a guy credit without (allegedly) even bothering to look what the guy was trading in. How often do you think he does that? I bet he never does it.....except of course in this case and wasn't it lucky for him? A game worth thousands was in the bag he didn't (allegedly) bother looking through.
Ian is also the guy who immediately called Pat and helped Pat broker the deal to buy the game.
Ive sold and bought games, systems, cars, guitars, collectibles, etc. For a few years it was my main source of income.....but I never ripped anyone off and never would. I don't need money that badly. And I absolutely never bought anything without even bothering to see what I was buying like Ian (allegedly) did.
Didn't say you specifically. Someone else stated Ian was not the owner and I was agreeing. People do often mention him like he owns Luna. I believe Ian himself has tried to correct people on the podcast.
It was no dig at you. I'm sorry that it appeared that way.
Like I said when I have brought it up to Pat he's blocked and deleted my comments.
How are you bringing it up to him? He generally lets a lot of negative comments go by without commenting or deleting, so if he's deleting yours, I can only imagine what they say.
And I don't know why we're suddenly the clearinghouse on hit pieces on Pat. I get that he's had problems with the forum before, but he does still post here from time to time.
Youre not a clearinghouse, you didn't have to reply if you didn't want to. But you apparently did want to.....
And "hit piece"? Pat constantly talks about dealers or sellers ripping people off, price gauging, screwing with "his" hobby. have you ever heard him rant and rave and cuss about those "pieces of shit" at the flea market? Or about dealers who buy up games at shows and resell them for higher prices? Or people who buy up copies of games to drive up prices? Hey, those guys are in business right? They're just making a buck, right? "People get screwed everyday in video game stores" right?
So.....why when someone holds Pat to the same standard he holds others to is it a "hit piece"?
Bye Felicia.
I just learned what that meant the other day.
I think OP is talking about the grey, not the gold. Which I do vaguely remember a story about it coming from Luna.
This was in response to Joseph. Oh, and BA is correct as far as I know. Ian does not own the store and he mentions the owner frequently. I don't know why people always talk like Ian is the top guy there. He might be a partner or next in charge, though.
I didn't talk like Ian was the owner, but ......he is the guy who made the deal. He is the guy who is always talking about how fair and honest he is with customers. He is the guy who just gave a guy credit without (allegedly) even bothering to look what the guy was trading in. How often do you think he does that? I bet he never does it.....except of course in this case and wasn't it lucky for him? A game worth thousands was in the bag he didn't (allegedly) bother looking through.
Ian is also the guy who immediately called Pat and helped Pat broker the deal to buy the game.
Ive sold and bought games, systems, cars, guitars, collectibles, etc. For a few years it was my main source of income.....but I never ripped anyone off and never would. I don't need money that badly. And I absolutely never bought anything without even bothering to see what I was buying like Ian (allegedly) did.
Didn't say you specifically. Someone else stated Ian was not the owner and I was agreeing. People do often mention him like he owns Luna. I believe Ian himself has tried to correct people on the podcast. It was no dig at you. I'm sorry that it appeared that way.
It's cool. I just assumed since you were talking about the "OP" you were referring to me. I didn't mean any offense to you either.
If there was an NWC at a yard sale for $5, I'd buy it, and aside from being happy to have it, I doubt I'd give it much thought. If someone brought one in to the booth I run and asked what it was worth, I'd tell them, and I wouldn't give that much thought either. From the story it sounds like the guy just wanted a power supply and didn't want the bag of games, it'd be scummy if he asked what they were worth, but if he's just trying to make a quick trade and the store was busy, I wouldn't say that situation should lump Pat and Ian in with the sorts of sellers they're calling out.
I don't find Pat and Ian entertaining so I can't comment on their channel or what they do or don't post, but the buyer is not required to educate the seller. The seller is required to educate him or herself.
I don't find their podcast entertaining usually, sometimes it's interesting but a lot of the times it's just them ranting or bitching., but I do like his NES Punk videos or I like them enough to watch them when they pop up in my feed.
But Pat is constantly lecturing on the morals of other sellers. I mean, did you see what he said about people who bought up NES Classics to resell?
My point is Pat presents himself as the moral authority on collecting and Ian claims he's always honest and fair. Giving a guy 25 bucks in store credit for a game worth thousands and then flipping it to your buddy doesn't sound all that honest to me.
I wouldn't really call it scummy. I've been running a flea market booth for a local store for about 6 months now, and people bring stuff in from time to time. I've had someone throw a stack of Wii games on the counter and say, I want $20 for these, looking at the top game, I see it's a $20 dollar game, I pay the guy, he leaves happy, and that's that, for what it's worth, I think the whole stack of games ended up being something I'd have paid about $35 for anyway. I also had a guy tell me he had some old NES games and a system he wanted to sell, but didn't really know what they were worth. I went through game by game with him letting him know what I'd sell it for, and what I'd pay, I ended up buying his stuff too, and he was fine with it.
If there was an NWC at a yard sale for $5, I'd buy it, and aside from being happy to have it, I doubt I'd give it much thought. If someone brought one in to the booth I run and asked what it was worth, I'd tell them, and I wouldn't give that much thought either. From the story it sounds like the guy just wanted a power supply and didn't want the bag of games, it'd be scummy if he asked what they were worth, but if he's just trying to make a quick trade and the store was busy, I wouldn't say that situation should lump Pat and Ian in with the sorts of sellers they're calling out.
Yeah but after you bought your $5 NWC cart would you then start a podcast where you preach morality and shame and attack others for not being what you consider "a good hobbyist"?
Whats the difference in what Pat and Ian did and somebody who buys every NES Classic they can toflip on EBay? So they're asking $200 bucks for one.....nobody has to pay it, right?
But.....according to Pat and Ian a person who flips NES Classics on a Ebay for several times it's MSRP is a "scumbag seller" but giving a guy $25 bucks credit for a game worth thousands is A-OK.
My my, and I thought I was the angry one...... Look it guy, if your so angry about the situation and feel like they fucked somebody over give Luna a call and see if you can get in touch with them. Get the real story..... Thats all I can tell you, because your kicking a dead horse.
You obviously are angry. And if it's a dead horse why are you here kicking it too? Plenty of other threads here....but you read and replied to this one yourself.
Like I said when I have brought it up to Pat he's blocked and deleted my comments.
How are you bringing it up to him? He generally lets a lot of negative comments go by without commenting or deleting, so if he's deleting yours, I can only imagine what they say.
And I don't know why we're suddenly the clearinghouse on hit pieces on Pat. I get that he's had problems with the forum before, but he does still post here from time to time.
Youre not a clearinghouse, you didn't have to reply if you didn't want to. But you apparently did want to.....
And "hit piece"? Pat constantly talks about dealers or sellers ripping people off, price gauging, screwing with "his" hobby. have you ever heard him rant and rave and cuss about those "pieces of shit" at the flea market? Or about dealers who buy up games at shows and resell them for higher prices? Or people who buy up copies of games to drive up prices? Hey, those guys are in business right? They're just making a buck, right? "People get screwed everyday in video game stores" right?
So.....why when someone holds Pat to the same standard he holds others to is it a "hit piece"?
Not trying to stir shit up .............
Just so you know (as your a new member) almost every post started about Pat ends up getting locked because he starts getting trashed. He is a member here, and thats not what this site is about.
Easy answer to why Ian would give a guy a random amount of money: Guy was probably desperate and needed the cash, didn't care about the value or gaming in general, Ian didn't have much cash/couldn't give out much on stuff that couldn't move in his store, etc. There's been times when game stores weren't totally obligated to look up every value. Not sure what the legal precedent was in all this at the time, but to me it's not an unethical one, nor was it probably unprofessional. IMO.
Of course, all this is conjecture, so your guess is as good as mine.
But in all honesty, I don't really care what they do. Nor should any of us for that matter.
So how would Ian know the value of the credit was less than the value of the games? People in business to,make a profit don't make deals without knowing the values involved.
I dont believe for one second he just glanced at why the guy had and gave him dome random amount. Like I said isn't it lucky for him that there was a game worth thousands in the guy's stuff?
Did Ian actually knew there was a NWC in the box, or did he find out afterwards? Who knows what or why things happened, because it's really none of my business. I don't know what went on, but if one were to specualte:
*customer walks in with a box full of NES games*
Customer: Hey, I need some cash. My car needs gas, I got kids to feed, etc. What can you do for me?
Gamestore clerk: Look, I can look them up, and they're probably worth more than I can give you, but I don't have much cash today.
Customer: I know they're probably worth more cuz there's a lot in there, but I don't care, I'm in a hurry and I want them gone. I'm only asking for 5-6 bucks.
Gamestore clerk: Okay, if that's all you want, I can afford that.
Customer: Deal!
^ Sounds like something that's not out of the ordinary. Ian can probably guesstimate the values at a first glance, then get better values after the fact?
I actually work at a gamestore personally (Been working in one for 17 years), and this type of stuff happens all the time back in my heyday. I've made deals before with both sides not knowing the values on things. Sometimes people just want to get rid of their shit, and if both sides are happy, then that should be that. Somethings things don't work out, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
I dunno, I'm just giving you my guess as I don't honestly know or care. If the guy who sold Ian the NWC wants to call him out, let it be between them.
I don't find Pat and Ian entertaining so I can't comment on their channel or what they do or don't post, but the buyer is not required to educate the seller. The seller is required to educate him or herself.
I don't find their podcast entertaining usually, sometimes it's interesting but a lot of the times it's just them ranting or bitching., but I do like his NES Punk videos or I like them enough to watch them when they pop up in my feed.
But Pat is constantly lecturing on the morals of other sellers. I mean, did you see what he said about people who bought up NES Classics to resell?
No I did not. I don't like his content so I don't watch or listen to it. You should try it, you'd be less frustrated over this situation I guarantee you.
Like I said when I have brought it up to Pat he's blocked and deleted my comments.
How are you bringing it up to him? He generally lets a lot of negative comments go by without commenting or deleting, so if he's deleting yours, I can only imagine what they say.
And I don't know why we're suddenly the clearinghouse on hit pieces on Pat. I get that he's had problems with the forum before, but he does still post here from time to time.
Youre not a clearinghouse, you didn't have to reply if you didn't want to. But you apparently did want to.....
And "hit piece"? Pat constantly talks about dealers or sellers ripping people off, price gauging, screwing with "his" hobby. have you ever heard him rant and rave and cuss about those "pieces of shit" at the flea market? Or about dealers who buy up games at shows and resell them for higher prices? Or people who buy up copies of games to drive up prices? Hey, those guys are in business right? They're just making a buck, right? "People get screwed everyday in video game stores" right?
So.....why when someone holds Pat to the same standard he holds others to is it a "hit piece"?
Not trying to stir shit up .............
Just so you know (as your a new member) almost every post started about Pat ends up getting locked because he starts getting trashed. He is a member here, and thats not what this site is about.
Yeah exactly. This thread is already on life support.
My my, and I thought I was the angry one...... Look it guy, if your so angry about the situation and feel like they fucked somebody over give Luna a call and see if you can get in touch with them. Get the real story..... Thats all I can tell you, because your kicking a dead horse.
You obviously are angry. And if it's a dead horse why are you here kicking it too? Plenty of other threads here....but you read and replied to this one yourself.
I'm not kicking anything, I don't give a shit what Pat has or doesn't have or if Ian's a crook or not it doesn't effect me either way. So with that, happy ranting buddy enjoy the site!