Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the market and get 10,000 calls to Wal-Mart about why little Johnny's zelda game sounds like an es-car-got when somebody fires up the wrong rom. The confusion it would create probably wasn't worth it; easier to just shut Quebec out unfortunately.
Causing potential product confusion for 98% of their North American market to placate Quebec doesn't seem worth the hassle, to me.
That's what I'm saying. Its too bad but you see why they chose to do what they did.
I suspect its not a packaging issue . Nintendo would be all over that - easy to fix.
The issue is that there are french language versions of Zelda LTTP and I guess one other game. as in, the IN GAME language is french.
I suspect the law says... if you make the game in french, you have to sell it in french here. If you make the game in english only, we'll allow it.
So the existence of a Quebec french in-game LTTP (and one other..) is what is fucking things up. I suspect.
I think you got it absolutely right.
Now everybody will take this opportunity to claim that Quebec is a fucked up province with Nazi-like laws about French, but I don't think it would have been that hard for Nintendo to take this in account beforehand and prepare a package with the French versions in option (I haven't checked what is the other game that had a French release, but there's apparently 2).
C'mon, they probably took the time to finish/polish Starfox 2 for the release, so including French versions of games shouldn't have been that complicated either. I wish the law would be circumvent simply cause it is stupid to enforce it for such things (and it is not like we haven't played hundreds of games in English back then as primary French speakers), but as a business Nintendo should have known better as well.
The difference is that EVERYBODY benefits from Starfox 2 (and in fact an official release of that game becomes a primary selling point, even for emulator-gamers).
Whereas the benefit, to them, from providing a French language version is going to be diminishingly small.
Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the market and get 10,000 calls to Wal-Mart about why little Johnny's zelda game sounds like an es-car-got when somebody fires up the wrong rom. The confusion it would create probably wasn't worth it; easier to just shut Quebec out unfortunately.
Causing potential product confusion for 98% of their North American market to placate Quebec doesn't seem worth the hassle, to me.
If you get on the Gamestop app you can actually get to the product page of the bundles and sign into your GS account. Could go a long way in being a step ahead when the time comes.
Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the market and get 10,000 calls to Wal-Mart about why little Johnny's zelda game sounds like an es-car-got when somebody fires up the wrong rom. The confusion it would create probably wasn't worth it; easier to just shut Quebec out unfortunately.
Causing potential product confusion for 98% of their North American market to placate Quebec doesn't seem worth the hassle, to me.
C'mon...
Honestly, G, I sorta get it. I mean, imagine you are nintendo, and you slip both roms in the package.
Now some hillybilly opens up their classic, plays the wrong rom. Doesn't even know what language it is or why it would be there in something sold in 'Merica god dangit. Complains. Now your distributors are getting calls like that from all over the country. Not worth the hassle
I went to game stop and they have sold out in 10 minutes. That was my one extra effort to try and get one, my only chance is to get one after Christmas if they're flooded or infinite number of retail I refuse to pay a scalper price for it.
Got mine through Bestbuy Canada webpage. Their twitter feed gave about 30 minutes notice, set up my credit card info in advance and it went smoothly right on the top of the hour.
I got my order in at 13:01:30 est, someone I know at 13:03:30. So the page was good for atleast 3 and a half minutes
Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the market and get 10,000 calls to Wal-Mart about why little Johnny's zelda game sounds like an es-car-got when somebody fires up the wrong rom. The confusion it would create probably wasn't worth it; easier to just shut Quebec out unfortunately.
Causing potential product confusion for 98% of their North American market to placate Quebec doesn't seem worth the hassle, to me.
C'mon...
Honestly, G, I sorta get it. I mean, imagine you are nintendo, and you slip both roms in the package.
Now some hillybilly opens up their classic, plays the wrong rom. Doesn't even know what language it is or why it would be there in something sold in 'Merica god dangit. Complains. Now your distributors are getting calls like that from all over the country. Not worth the hassle
It is still ironic that we are ready to give the benefit of the doubts to a hillbilly (we are clearly inventing this, lol) not choosing the right language between English and French and make a fuck about it, while it is better to bring it clearly to a national/provincial level by making sure the product won't be available in a whole province.
I can see both points really, and I would truly like to know if there was a conscious decision making on the part of Nintendo on this. It is their call, that I can accept. But I won't just say 'it is a stupid law and we need to get rid of it' because of that, cause that would be incredibly ridiculous on my end as a Quebecer that know his History.
Please, go on with your ranting about how my province had to fundamentally institute laws to protect its language culture because we were still an oppressed colonized nation 70 years ago.
The laws are stupid applied to this very example, but the roots of them are historically more important than this. It should be altered for sure, to circumvent things like that, but you need a very strong case in the first place to make it sound plausible politically speaking. It is not like every godamn big businesses operating in the province aren't compelling to the laws, they do.
It might sounds ridiculous to you, but it has a political weight in our society, denying it would be a bit like the equivalent of denying the US Civil war.
Took this to PM, rather than derailing the thread further.
Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the market and get 10,000 calls to Wal-Mart about why little Johnny's zelda game sounds like an es-car-got when somebody fires up the wrong rom. The confusion it would create probably wasn't worth it; easier to just shut Quebec out unfortunately.
Causing potential product confusion for 98% of their North American market to placate Quebec doesn't seem worth the hassle, to me.
C'mon...
Honestly, G, I sorta get it. I mean, imagine you are nintendo, and you slip both roms in the package.
Now some hillybilly opens up their classic, plays the wrong rom. Doesn't even know what language it is or why it would be there in something sold in 'Merica god dangit. Complains. Now your distributors are getting calls like that from all over the country. Not worth the hassle
It is still ironic that we are ready to give the benefit of the doubts to a hillbilly (we are clearly inventing this, lol) not choosing the right language between English and French and make a fuck about it, while it is better to bring it clearly to a national/provincial level by making sure the product won't be available in a whole province.
I can see both points really, and I would truly like to know if there was a conscious decision making on the part of Nintendo on this. It is their call, that I can accept. But I won't just say 'it is a stupid law and we need to get rid of it' because of that, cause that would be incredibly ridiculous on my end as a Quebecer that know his History.
I'm not saying get rid of the law. But just look at this thread. Even NOT selling it in Quebec has led to a confused discussion, right here, where no one knows vintage nintendo better than we do.
Now imagine the confusion to the soccer moms and hillbillys if you DID include the french rom.
To Arch : I don't mind taking it elsewhere, but my responses to this subject is more naturally motivated than yours really, if I derailed the thread, it was hand in hand with you pal.
Its fine, its a reasonable discussion, and it started on point, but Corey has a point in that there are probably lots of people who just want to talk pre orders.
Nonzero chance we managed to secure a pre-order for one for the studio, but this is no way to run an enterprise. Just because I happened to be up at 1am working? It's sad.
Attention Canadian, and more specifically Quebecer NAers : Toys R Us service informed me they do not expect the SNES Classic to hit Quebec at all, due to linguistic issues. I managed to snag one off target.com who also happens to ship internationally for a breezy $30CAD more.
So I paid $136 CAD for my order. I had to randomly spam the "add to cart" button at various times this afternoon and it ended going through just now.
Its fine, its a reasonable discussion, and it started on point, but Corey has a point in that there are probably lots of people who just want to talk pre orders.
Totally agree, sorry for the disturbence everyone.
And just to appease anyone, Arch and I are still in good terms
^wow, that's ridiculous that they potentially won't be sold in QC. The language laws can be strict, but this seems extreme for something like this. Is it really due to a few ROMs only being sold in French?
^wow, that's ridiculous that they potentially won't be sold in QC. The language laws can be strict, but this seems extreme for something like this. Is it really due to a few ROMs only being sold in French?
Things can change, but someone at Toys R Us told me they just plain wouldnt get any in the Quebec stores.
Supposedly, GameStop was limiting orders to one per physical address, regardless of how many email addresses you had. But it's possible that other sites didn't have such restrictions.
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Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the market and get 10,000 calls to Wal-Mart about why little Johnny's zelda game sounds like an es-car-got when somebody fires up the wrong rom. The confusion it would create probably wasn't worth it; easier to just shut Quebec out unfortunately.
Causing potential product confusion for 98% of their North American market to placate Quebec doesn't seem worth the hassle, to me.
That's what I'm saying. Its too bad but you see why they chose to do what they did.
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: Bronty
I suspect its not a packaging issue . Nintendo would be all over that - easy to fix.
The issue is that there are french language versions of Zelda LTTP and I guess one other game. as in, the IN GAME language is french.
I suspect the law says... if you make the game in french, you have to sell it in french here. If you make the game in english only, we'll allow it.
So the existence of a Quebec french in-game LTTP (and one other..) is what is fucking things up. I suspect.
I think you got it absolutely right.
Now everybody will take this opportunity to claim that Quebec is a fucked up province with Nazi-like laws about French, but I don't think it would have been that hard for Nintendo to take this in account beforehand and prepare a package with the French versions in option (I haven't checked what is the other game that had a French release, but there's apparently 2).
C'mon, they probably took the time to finish/polish Starfox 2 for the release, so including French versions of games shouldn't have been that complicated either. I wish the law would be circumvent simply cause it is stupid to enforce it for such things (and it is not like we haven't played hundreds of games in English back then as primary French speakers), but as a business Nintendo should have known better as well.
The difference is that EVERYBODY benefits from Starfox 2 (and in fact an official release of that game becomes a primary selling point, even for emulator-gamers).
Whereas the benefit, to them, from providing a French language version is going to be diminishingly small.
did anyone on here manage to grab one?
All confirmations I believe were in-store pre-orders (quite a few).
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: Bronty
Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the market and get 10,000 calls to Wal-Mart about why little Johnny's zelda game sounds like an es-car-got when somebody fires up the wrong rom. The confusion it would create probably wasn't worth it; easier to just shut Quebec out unfortunately.
Causing potential product confusion for 98% of their North American market to placate Quebec doesn't seem worth the hassle, to me.
C'mon...
Maybe you don't care because it is not your State, but I live in Quebec, so I can't pretend that we aren't a video game market in North America.
Sounds like an issue to take up with your province's government.
C'mon...
You guys are suffering the consequences of a bad law that interferes with convenient commerce.
Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the market and get 10,000 calls to Wal-Mart about why little Johnny's zelda game sounds like an es-car-got when somebody fires up the wrong rom. The confusion it would create probably wasn't worth it; easier to just shut Quebec out unfortunately.
Causing potential product confusion for 98% of their North American market to placate Quebec doesn't seem worth the hassle, to me.
C'mon...
Honestly, G, I sorta get it. I mean, imagine you are nintendo, and you slip both roms in the package.
Now some hillybilly opens up their classic, plays the wrong rom. Doesn't even know what language it is or why it would be there in something sold in 'Merica god dangit. Complains. Now your distributors are getting calls like that from all over the country. Not worth the hassle
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Maybe you don't care because it is not your State, but I live in Quebec, so I can't pretend that we aren't a video game market in North America.
Sounds like an issue to take up with your province's government.
I got my order in at 13:01:30 est, someone I know at 13:03:30. So the page was good for atleast 3 and a half minutes
Maybe you don't care because it is not your State, but I live in Quebec, so I can't pretend that we aren't a video game market in North America.
Sounds like an issue to take up with your province's government.
Originally posted by: Bronty
Originally posted by: guillavoie
Originally posted by: arch_8ngel
Originally posted by: Bronty
Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the market and get 10,000 calls to Wal-Mart about why little Johnny's zelda game sounds like an es-car-got when somebody fires up the wrong rom. The confusion it would create probably wasn't worth it; easier to just shut Quebec out unfortunately.
Causing potential product confusion for 98% of their North American market to placate Quebec doesn't seem worth the hassle, to me.
C'mon...
Honestly, G, I sorta get it. I mean, imagine you are nintendo, and you slip both roms in the package.
Now some hillybilly opens up their classic, plays the wrong rom. Doesn't even know what language it is or why it would be there in something sold in 'Merica god dangit. Complains. Now your distributors are getting calls like that from all over the country. Not worth the hassle
It is still ironic that we are ready to give the benefit of the doubts to a hillbilly (we are clearly inventing this, lol) not choosing the right language between English and French and make a fuck about it, while it is better to bring it clearly to a national/provincial level by making sure the product won't be available in a whole province.
I can see both points really, and I would truly like to know if there was a conscious decision making on the part of Nintendo on this. It is their call, that I can accept. But I won't just say 'it is a stupid law and we need to get rid of it' because of that, cause that would be incredibly ridiculous on my end as a Quebecer that know his History.
Please, go on with your ranting about how my province had to fundamentally institute laws to protect its language culture because we were still an oppressed colonized nation 70 years ago.
The laws are stupid applied to this very example, but the roots of them are historically more important than this. It should be altered for sure, to circumvent things like that, but you need a very strong case in the first place to make it sound plausible politically speaking. It is not like every godamn big businesses operating in the province aren't compelling to the laws, they do.
It might sounds ridiculous to you, but it has a political weight in our society, denying it would be a bit like the equivalent of denying the US Civil war.
Took this to PM, rather than derailing the thread further.
Perhaps they didn't want to confuse the market and get 10,000 calls to Wal-Mart about why little Johnny's zelda game sounds like an es-car-got when somebody fires up the wrong rom. The confusion it would create probably wasn't worth it; easier to just shut Quebec out unfortunately.
Causing potential product confusion for 98% of their North American market to placate Quebec doesn't seem worth the hassle, to me.
C'mon...
Honestly, G, I sorta get it. I mean, imagine you are nintendo, and you slip both roms in the package.
Now some hillybilly opens up their classic, plays the wrong rom. Doesn't even know what language it is or why it would be there in something sold in 'Merica god dangit. Complains. Now your distributors are getting calls like that from all over the country. Not worth the hassle
It is still ironic that we are ready to give the benefit of the doubts to a hillbilly (we are clearly inventing this, lol) not choosing the right language between English and French and make a fuck about it, while it is better to bring it clearly to a national/provincial level by making sure the product won't be available in a whole province.
I can see both points really, and I would truly like to know if there was a conscious decision making on the part of Nintendo on this. It is their call, that I can accept. But I won't just say 'it is a stupid law and we need to get rid of it' because of that, cause that would be incredibly ridiculous on my end as a Quebecer that know his History.
I'm not saying get rid of the law. But just look at this thread. Even NOT selling it in Quebec has led to a confused discussion, right here, where no one knows vintage nintendo better than we do.
Now imagine the confusion to the soccer moms and hillbillys if you DID include the french rom.
So I paid $136 CAD for my order. I had to randomly spam the "add to cart" button at various times this afternoon and it ended going through just now.
Originally posted by: Bronty
Its fine, its a reasonable discussion, and it started on point, but Corey has a point in that there are probably lots of people who just want to talk pre orders.
Totally agree, sorry for the disturbence everyone.
And just to appease anyone, Arch and I are still in good terms
Seeing posts on Facebook about people in groups reserving 50+ classics and trying to pre-sell the pre-order for $500+ each...ugh
How the hell can you get 50? Lol
Seeing posts on Facebook about people in groups reserving 50+ classics and trying to pre-sell the pre-order for $500+ each...ugh
How the hell can you get 50? Lol
50+ email accounts? That seems to be the popular tactic I'm seeing.
^wow, that's ridiculous that they potentially won't be sold in QC. The language laws can be strict, but this seems extreme for something like this. Is it really due to a few ROMs only being sold in French?
Things can change, but someone at Toys R Us told me they just plain wouldnt get any in the Quebec stores.
Anyway I was succesful in placing an order here : https://intl.target.com/p/nintendo-174-super-nes-classic-edition/-/A-52826093#lnk=sametab