Okay, I'm caught up. Here are my thoughts right now.
If I were gambling man, I'd also say that hybrid did not come back as negaduck. I'd put my money as bushroot. ;-)
Let's run with doner's night event for a second...
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The shapeshifting of liquidator is troubling. Especially when paired with the "plainsight" reference in doner's event. Doner's event means that Taurus Bulba AND liquidator are still out there, one being a "harmless" indie. How harmless we talking? Does it involve a town win if DW dies? In which case I'd suspect Generic, since he's trying to find ways to off me (I'd like to see a counter claim to me being DW)
Would Liquidator have the alpha power as well or is the shapeshifting different? Alpha power = alignment check turns out town instead of wolf. What if the shapeshifting power = turns out the form of a harmless character when investigated by a detective (me)? Is it possible I investigated Liquidator and didn't even realize it? Unfortunately I only had the chance to investigate 2 players, NESfanatic, who was the Sheriff and promptly killed by a wolf, and Generic, who turned up as Tom Lockjaw. This is bordering on conspiracy level suspicion, though. I really don't think liquidator has another power other than role blocking and leaving his victim damp.
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With that said, still a little iffy on doner, but a little less suspicious than before.
If any townies claiming VT but with powers hasn't revealed that yet, now is a good time. Hogie, really Morgana is a VT? She was a sorceress on the show. Brock? Agent Deer? fought alongside DW at times.
Is there really no Launchpad after the reset?
If I had to vote now I'd go with either Hogie (Morgana?, neighbor with Stryphos) or Stryphos (Hooter?, neighbor with Hogie). One of these two sets of neighbors (Nesking-doner is the other) has to be a town-wolf relationship. It would be redundant to have two sets of neighbors who were all town. So let's focus on these folks I say.
Since when does looking into someone give their character name???
That's my power. I don't get power or roles, just the character name. Gloves was DW before the reset, he can confirm this. He's confirmed Gizmoduck after all, if people are doubting me as DW or even town, all you have is Gloves, who was revealed at Gizmo through a day reveal.
I cannot believe how you are all grasping for straws on DW.
Okay, I'm caught up. Here are my thoughts right now.
If I were gambling man, I'd also say that hybrid did not come back as negaduck. I'd put my money as bushroot. ;-)
Let's run with doner's night event for a second...
***
The shapeshifting of liquidator is troubling. Especially when paired with the "plainsight" reference in doner's event. Doner's event means that Taurus Bulba AND liquidator are still out there, one being a "harmless" indie. How harmless we talking? Does it involve a town win if DW dies? In which case I'd suspect Generic, since he's trying to find ways to off me (I'd like to see a counter claim to me being DW)
Would Liquidator have the alpha power as well or is the shapeshifting different? Alpha power = alignment check turns out town instead of wolf. What if the shapeshifting power = turns out the form of a harmless character when investigated by a detective (me)? Is it possible I investigated Liquidator and didn't even realize it? Unfortunately I only had the chance to investigate 2 players, NESfanatic, who was the Sheriff and promptly killed by a wolf, and Generic, who turned up as Tom Lockjaw. This is bordering on conspiracy level suspicion, though. I really don't think liquidator has another power other than role blocking and leaving his victim damp.
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With that said, still a little iffy on doner, but a little less suspicious than before.
If any townies claiming VT but with powers hasn't revealed that yet, now is a good time. Hogie, really Morgana is a VT? She was a sorceress on the show. Brock? Agent Deer? fought alongside DW at times.
Is there really no Launchpad after the reset?
If I had to vote now I'd go with either Hogie (Morgana?, neighbor with Stryphos) or Stryphos (Hooter?, neighbor with Hogie). One of these two sets of neighbors (Nesking-doner is the other) has to be a town-wolf relationship. It would be redundant to have two sets of neighbors who were all town. So let's focus on these folks I say.
Since when does looking into someone give their character name???
That's my power. I don't get power or roles, just the character name. Gloves was DW before the reset, he can confirm this. He's confirmed Gizmoduck after all, if people are doubting me as DW or even town, all you have is Gloves, who was revealed at Gizmo through a day reveal.
I cannot believe how you are all grasping for straws on DW.
I'm not grasping for anything, just trying to understand everyone's claims and make the best decision based on them.
I can confirm that DW's ability returns a name. I looked into Pimp when I was DW and he came back as Launchpad. That's all I knew about him, was his character's name. No alliance or role info was given, only the name.
Okay, I'm caught up. Here are my thoughts right now.
If I were gambling man, I'd also say that hybrid did not come back as negaduck. I'd put my money as bushroot. ;-)
Let's run with doner's night event for a second...
***
The shapeshifting of liquidator is troubling. Especially when paired with the "plainsight" reference in doner's event. Doner's event means that Taurus Bulba AND liquidator are still out there, one being a "harmless" indie. How harmless we talking? Does it involve a town win if DW dies? In which case I'd suspect Generic, since he's trying to find ways to off me (I'd like to see a counter claim to me being DW)
Would Liquidator have the alpha power as well or is the shapeshifting different? Alpha power = alignment check turns out town instead of wolf. What if the shapeshifting power = turns out the form of a harmless character when investigated by a detective (me)? Is it possible I investigated Liquidator and didn't even realize it? Unfortunately I only had the chance to investigate 2 players, NESfanatic, who was the Sheriff and promptly killed by a wolf, and Generic, who turned up as Tom Lockjaw. This is bordering on conspiracy level suspicion, though. I really don't think liquidator has another power other than role blocking and leaving his victim damp.
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With that said, still a little iffy on doner, but a little less suspicious than before.
If any townies claiming VT but with powers hasn't revealed that yet, now is a good time. Hogie, really Morgana is a VT? She was a sorceress on the show. Brock? Agent Deer? fought alongside DW at times.
Is there really no Launchpad after the reset?
If I had to vote now I'd go with either Hogie (Morgana?, neighbor with Stryphos) or Stryphos (Hooter?, neighbor with Hogie). One of these two sets of neighbors (Nesking-doner is the other) has to be a town-wolf relationship. It would be redundant to have two sets of neighbors who were all town. So let's focus on these folks I say.
I was quite disappointed to receive a character like Morgana and have ZERO abilities. I even had to write the GM's and make sure I wasn't missing something. :-( I would love to hear the reasoning behind the decision by the GM's to make that happen.
Alakhira had provided "tons of info" that any wolf would knoW. The wolves KNOW who's a townie and who isn't.
"Generic is a townie"
Ok we that has been established by yourself and Gloves, but I'm more inclined to believe that Gloves actually looked into me.
Just as Alakhira believes a possible theory about a shapeshifter and him naming me (which is actually more convoluted than anything) as the top suspect in that situation, he could be a wolf and played this game very well.....as a wolf.
Alakhira's vote pattern has been crap. Bert was a wolf, yet Alakhira didn't want to vote him. Especially when Bert was called out as a wolf. He also stalled me on the Fox vote as well. "Generic, unvote Fox so we can here his defense".
So my reasonings make perfect sense. Especially since others are calling out Alakhira. I'm not the only one.
Wolf (fox) - ne$_pimp, Gloves, Generic, behemos, alakhira, Brock Landers
So Fox voted for Puppy because the wolves knew he was getting the axe. Did any other wolves throw a vote in to try to blend in?
Not sure, but again, Alakhira is my top suspect at this point.
If there was another Darkwing, I would assume they would have come forward with that information at this point. Or, was Pimps crazy ramblings about Darkwing being bad, actually those of an enlightened individual?
Wolf (fox) - ne$_pimp, Gloves, Generic, behemos, alakhira, Brock Landers
So Fox voted for Puppy because the wolves knew he was getting the axe. Did any other wolves throw a vote in to try to blend in?
Not sure, but again, Alakhira is my top suspect at this point.
If there was another Darkwing, I would assume they would have come forward with that information at this point. Or, was Pimps crazy ramblings about Darkwing being bad, actually those of an enlightened individual?
Could be.
Anything is quite possible, especially in this round of WW. Ther is a ton of speculation. However, I'm just going off of voting patterns at this point. Unless someone has some groundbreaking accusations.
It reminds me of a time when I was a wolf. I would vote for wolves who appeared to be on the chopping block. But the most profound thing I did was actually kill off a wolf when there were only two of us left. Of course, I was an indie/wolf, and by killing all wolves, I obtained a special power. Essentially the power was to have a night ability to kill whomever I chose.
Alakhira had provided "tons of info" that any wolf would knoW. The wolves KNOW who's a townie and who isn't.
"Generic is a townie"
Ok we that has been established by yourself and Gloves, but I'm more inclined to believe that Gloves actually looked into me.
Just as Alakhira believes a possible theory about a shapeshifter and him naming me (which is actually more convoluted than anything) as the top suspect in that situation, he could be a wolf and played this game very well.....as a wolf.
Alakhira's vote pattern has been crap. Bert was a wolf, yet Alakhira didn't want to vote him. Especially when Bert was called out as a wolf. He also stalled me on the Fox vote as well. "Generic, unvote Fox so we can here his defense".
So my reasonings make perfect sense. Especially since others are calling out Alakhira. I'm not the only one.
I voted for Bert revealing I was DW. And guess what still no orhee claimants to DW. Can't really explain that away. I hesitated on fox because it was either him or pimp or both. That's all clear from my posting.
All you're doing is giving me to question your role or your logic. Did you catch something pimp had? Why are you even pursuing this conspiracy? It's like deflection. The neighbor lead is actual a good one but you're fixated.
Doner only voted twice. Late to a townie lynch but early on Bert. The latter speaks in his favor.
Stryphos voted twice. The hammer on Townie Alex and late to Bert. Super late to role reveal. Excuses about school.
Hogie voted only twice, late to puppy and Bert. Also held out for a long time on role reveals butveas active. Which makes less sense if he is really VT. If he had a role it would make sense why he might want to hold out.
I'm debating between stryphos and hogie. Based on role claims hogie looks worse.
Still the heritage issue with behemos. He voted for everyone late or middle of the pack.
Doner only voted twice. Late to a townie lynch but early on Bert. The latter speaks in his favor.
Stryphos voted twice. The hammer on Townie Alex and late to Bert. Super late to role reveal. Excuses about school.
Hogie voted only twice, late to puppy and Bert. Also held out for a long time on role reveals butveas active. Which makes less sense if he is really VT. If he had a role it would make sense why he might want to hold out.
I'm debating between stryphos and hogie. Based on role claims hogie looks worse.
Still the heritage issue with behemos. He voted for everyone late or middle of the pack.
I was not late to the Puppy party, on the day we voted him out, he actually started to make me believe he could be Launchpad. I can admit that he began to get in my head. Also, I was the FIRST to vote puppy the day before and point out the clues left behind by our SEER. The word Lupine was used by Hybrid to signify when he was either pointing to a player or pointing us away from a player. It just so happened that everyone jumped on Bert and I still wanted Puppy. Hence being late on Bert. I did not want to reveal my role in an attempt to protect our role players. Pimp had the same thought and to be honest I probably should have held out longer. Puppy was hounding me for my role and in the end I gave in when I probably should have held strong. I have done nothing against town, and when I have not been sure about a vote, I have stood back. I am the type of person who wants facts and in this game you rarely get them. I felt I had facts on 2 votes this game, MBC and Puppy and because of that I went after them.
Doner only voted twice. Late to a townie lynch but early on Bert. The latter speaks in his favor.
Stryphos voted twice. The hammer on Townie Alex and late to Bert. Super late to role reveal. Excuses about school.
Hogie voted only twice, late to puppy and Bert. Also held out for a long time on role reveals butveas active. Which makes less sense if he is really VT. If he had a role it would make sense why he might want to hold out.
I'm debating between stryphos and hogie. Based on role claims hogie looks worse.
Still the heritage issue with behemos. He voted for everyone late or middle of the pack.
I was also very against Puppy early if you check the day we voted out Bert, I just happened to be busy traveling the day of the vote.
I was hesitant to lead the charge on others simply because I did a horrible job finding wolves the last werewolf game as a townie as well.
Doner only voted twice. Late to a townie lynch but early on Bert. The latter speaks in his favor.
Stryphos voted twice. The hammer on Townie Alex and late to Bert. Super late to role reveal. Excuses about school.
Hogie voted only twice, late to puppy and Bert. Also held out for a long time on role reveals butveas active. Which makes less sense if he is really VT. If he had a role it would make sense why he might want to hold out.
I'm debating between stryphos and hogie. Based on role claims hogie looks worse.
Still the heritage issue with behemos. He voted for everyone late or middle of the pack.
I was also very against Puppy early if you check the day we voted out Bert, I just happened to be busy traveling the day of the vote.
I was hesitant to lead the charge on others simply because I did a horrible job finding wolves the last werewolf game as a townie as well.
You did better than most last game, as you were the first to claim that I was a wolf.
Alakhira had provided "tons of info" that any wolf would knoW. The wolves KNOW who's a townie and who isn't.
"Generic is a townie"
Ok we that has been established by yourself and Gloves, but I'm more inclined to believe that Gloves actually looked into me.
Just as Alakhira believes a possible theory about a shapeshifter and him naming me (which is actually more convoluted than anything) as the top suspect in that situation, he could be a wolf and played this game very well.....as a wolf.
Alakhira's vote pattern has been crap. Bert was a wolf, yet Alakhira didn't want to vote him. Especially when Bert was called out as a wolf. He also stalled me on the Fox vote as well. "Generic, unvote Fox so we can here his defense".
So my reasonings make perfect sense. Especially since others are calling out Alakhira. I'm not the only one.
I voted for Bert revealing I was DW. And guess what still no orhee claimants to DW. Can't really explain that away. I hesitated on fox because it was either him or pimp or both. That's all clear from my posting.
All you're doing is giving me to question your role or your logic. Did you catch something pimp had? Why are you even pursuing this conspiracy? It's like deflection. The neighbor lead is actual a good one but you're fixated.
Because it was a theory in passing and it has your feathers totally ruffled and I don't know why. If you're innocent, then good. Stop acting like your guilty if it's not true. It's all you're FIXATED on.
Also, if I'm acting suspect, then vote for me. You somehow have "cleared me" and so has Gloves. So please, vote for me and convince the others to do the same. I'd love to see how that turns out for you.
Jesus. If you paid attention I'm trying to focus on the neighbors web after having to defend myself from your crackpot theory. My feathers are ruffled because I'm having to deal with pimp level insanity. I thought we were down with that crap. There is literally nothing else for me to say on the matter. Im just repeating myself.
How about you give some thought to the issues surrounding stryphos and hogie I've outlined above? It's like you skip right over the fact there is little chance that all four neighbors are VT.
If we're looking at neighbors, stryphos and hogie are the most suspicious to me at this point.
Hogie has been discussed above. I just have trouble seeing Morgana as a VT. That's FAR stranger than my not being a heritage character. Of course, I'm biased because I know I'm town. If he's really town, he probably feels the same about me.
And stryphos has a long list of odd behavior. He's involved with the only 24-hour school in existence, refused to reveal for a super long time, and his voting pattern hasn't been great. The only "good" vote he really made was his "hammer" on Puppy. But at that point it was clear Puppy was dead and he knew I had volunteered early to drop the hammer myself. So he jumped in (strangely free from school and house stuff at that precise moment) to drop it before I could so he could say he killed a wolf.
Jesus. If you paid attention I'm trying to focus on the neighbors web after having to defend myself from your crackpot theory. My feathers are ruffled because I'm having to deal with pimp level insanity. I thought we were down with that crap. There is literally nothing else for me to say on the matter. Im just repeating myself.
How about you give some thought to the issues surrounding stryphos and hogie I've outlined above? It's like you skip right over the fact there is little chance that all four neighbors are VT.
AGAIN, it was a theory in passing. You're the one who got his undies in a wad and so I elaborated on my theory since it "made no sense" to you.
If we're looking at neighbors, stryphos and hogie are the most suspicious to me at this point.
Hogie has been discussed above. I just have trouble seeing Morgana as a VT. That's FAR stranger than my not being a heritage character. Of course, I'm biased because I know I'm town. If he's really town, he probably feels the same about me.
And stryphos has a long list of odd behavior. He's involved with the only 24-hour school in existence, refused to reveal for a super long time, and his voting pattern hasn't been great. The only "good" vote he really made was his "hammer" on Puppy. But at that point it was clear Puppy was dead and he knew I had volunteered early to drop the hammer myself. So he jumped in (strangely free from school and house stuff at that precise moment) to drop it before I could so he could say he killed a wolf.
Completely agree. He's been on the town radar anyway. Maybe this will get him talking.
**VOTE: Stryphos
Also did we ever get reports from the neighbors on what was said and when? I recall there being minimal conversation, but still, it might help clear 1 or 2 of them.
What are thoughts on a possible indy? If doner had a true night event, taurus bulba is out there with liquidator. Anyone able to crack the 4 letter clue?
No idea on the code. I think Stryphos and Hogie are educated bets, I have no idea which one has better odds but I will jump on the Stryphos bandwagon if that is what we're doing
Stryphos has basically stopped doing updates to contest leaderboards during the week, so he may just be THAT busy. Doesn't mean he's not a wolf though
So here is what is happening guys. The wolves have infiltrated us and by voting out there own they have solidified themselves into the town. Going after stryphos and I is kinda pointless if you ask me. I can guarantee you if I was a wolf or had any type of role, I would not have gone absent early after the reset. I got another non role player and I kinda just started to lose interest. This may be the same for Stryphos. I am not defending him but I would like everyone to think about looking from within rather than at those on the outskirts.
So here is what is happening guys. The wolves have infiltrated us and by voting out there own they have solidified themselves into the town. Going after stryphos and I is kinda pointless if you ask me. I can guarantee you if I was a wolf or had any type of role, I would not have gone absent early after the reset. I got another non role player and I kinda just started to lose interest. This may be the same for Stryphos. I am not defending him but I would like everyone to think about looking from within rather than at those on the outskirts.
Okay, but when you state things along these lines, you need to back it up.
Who would you start with then?
I believe doner asked you this, and you completely dodged him. You responded to everything else you were asked but this.
So here is what is happening guys. The wolves have infiltrated us and by voting out there own they have solidified themselves into the town. Going after stryphos and I is kinda pointless if you ask me. I can guarantee you if I was a wolf or had any type of role, I would not have gone absent early after the reset. I got another non role player and I kinda just started to lose interest. This may be the same for Stryphos. I am not defending him but I would like everyone to think about looking from within rather than at those on the outskirts.
Okay, but when you state things along these lines, you need to back it up. Who would you start with then? I believe doner asked you this, and you completely dodged him. You responded to everything else you were asked but this. So, who is your prime suspect?
Of course, this is where the game gets tough. The last 3 wolves were layups. The next is going to be a guess and I believe some are pointing at me not due to actions but simply due to the unknown. The 3 that I worry about are Alakahira, Gloves or Brock. This will most likely get votes sent my way which is why I was hesitant to say anything earlier. I do not think they are all wolves, they simply have had the most influence on the game to this point. I think that the last 3 wolves fell on their swords to get this one person (maybe two) trusted by town.
So here is what is happening guys. The wolves have infiltrated us and by voting out there own they have solidified themselves into the town. Going after stryphos and I is kinda pointless if you ask me. I can guarantee you if I was a wolf or had any type of role, I would not have gone absent early after the reset. I got another non role player and I kinda just started to lose interest. This may be the same for Stryphos. I am not defending him but I would like everyone to think about looking from within rather than at those on the outskirts.
Okay, but when you state things along these lines, you need to back it up. Who would you start with then? I believe doner asked you this, and you completely dodged him. You responded to everything else you were asked but this. So, who is your prime suspect?
Of course, this is where the game gets tough. The last 3 wolves were layups. The next is going to be a guess and I believe some are pointing at me not due to actions but simply due to the unknown. The 3 that I worry about are Alakahira, Gloves or Brock. This will most likely get votes sent my way which is why I was hesitant to say anything earlier. I do not think they are all wolves, they simply have had the most influence on the game to this point. I think that the last 3 wolves fell on their swords to get this one person (maybe two) trusted by town.
I'm such an active person I'd expect me to be an influence in any forum game I play. It's just how I am, even when I was DW I was active as hell, trying to lead. And the same when I became vanilla. My role will never dictate how I behave, and simply by being very very active I will always have great effect on the games I play.
I'm such an active person I'd expect me to be an influence in any forum game I play. It's just how I am, even when I was DW I was active as hell, trying to lead. And the same when I became vanilla. My role will never dictate how I behave, and simply by being very very active I will always have great effect on the games I play.
Yes, I am not saying wolves can only be those who influence the game, I just feel that in this situation the wolves have put someone like you (Not necessarily you) in charge and in gotten them in with town to lead the charge. Obviously, wolves do not have to be vocal. This is my conspiracy theory. We all have them.
So here is what is happening guys. The wolves have infiltrated us and by voting out there own they have solidified themselves into the town. Going after stryphos and I is kinda pointless if you ask me. I can guarantee you if I was a wolf or had any type of role, I would not have gone absent early after the reset. I got another non role player and I kinda just started to lose interest. This may be the same for Stryphos. I am not defending him but I would like everyone to think about looking from within rather than at those on the outskirts.
Okay, but when you state things along these lines, you need to back it up. Who would you start with then? I believe doner asked you this, and you completely dodged him. You responded to everything else you were asked but this. So, who is your prime suspect?
Of course, this is where the game gets tough. The last 3 wolves were layups. The next is going to be a guess and I believe some are pointing at me not due to actions but simply due to the unknown. The 3 that I worry about are Alakahira, Gloves or Brock. This will most likely get votes sent my way which is why I was hesitant to say anything earlier. I do not think they are all wolves, they simply have had the most influence on the game to this point. I think that the last 3 wolves fell on their swords to get this one person (maybe two) trusted by town.
I agree completely with what you are saying; the final wolf (or two, though alakhira has *hinted* there is one) is clever, or the other ones indeed died to embed him.
Gloves and Alakhira HAVE to be cleared. I cannot think of any plausible situation where they were flipped to the wolves, or were non-town from the beginning. Every death is accounted for at this point so know both roles are still alive. The story matches what happened pre-reset too.
Generic is cleared by Alakhira. That is all I can say on that matter.
That leaves everyone else as far as I'm concerned. behemos has the best cover right now due to being roleblocked, which I believe is the truth (see previous posts for logic). Everyone else is fair game.
If Taurus Bulba is the indy, and he has a benign win condition (can win with either side or something), please step forward so we have one less thing to sort out. Neither side can afford to waste a kill on you
If Taurus Bulba is the indy, and he has a benign win condition (can win with either side or something), please step forward so we have one less thing to sort out. Neither side can afford to waste a kill on you
Is there any scenario where DW and Gizmo could be wolves? Think about it, DW keeps his abilities but switches sides, this is the negaverse. Gizmo comes along as well because he is darkwings protector. As has been stated before, roles have not changed. You could not have an evil DW without Gizmo also coming along because that would change the roles.
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Okay, I'm caught up. Here are my thoughts right now.
If I were gambling man, I'd also say that hybrid did not come back as negaduck. I'd put my money as bushroot. ;-)
Let's run with doner's night event for a second...
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The shapeshifting of liquidator is troubling. Especially when paired with the "plainsight" reference in doner's event. Doner's event means that Taurus Bulba AND liquidator are still out there, one being a "harmless" indie. How harmless we talking? Does it involve a town win if DW dies? In which case I'd suspect Generic, since he's trying to find ways to off me (I'd like to see a counter claim to me being DW)
Would Liquidator have the alpha power as well or is the shapeshifting different? Alpha power = alignment check turns out town instead of wolf. What if the shapeshifting power = turns out the form of a harmless character when investigated by a detective (me)? Is it possible I investigated Liquidator and didn't even realize it? Unfortunately I only had the chance to investigate 2 players, NESfanatic, who was the Sheriff and promptly killed by a wolf, and Generic, who turned up as Tom Lockjaw. This is bordering on conspiracy level suspicion, though. I really don't think liquidator has another power other than role blocking and leaving his victim damp.
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With that said, still a little iffy on doner, but a little less suspicious than before.
If any townies claiming VT but with powers hasn't revealed that yet, now is a good time. Hogie, really Morgana is a VT? She was a sorceress on the show. Brock? Agent Deer? fought alongside DW at times.
Is there really no Launchpad after the reset?
If I had to vote now I'd go with either Hogie (Morgana?, neighbor with Stryphos) or Stryphos (Hooter?, neighbor with Hogie). One of these two sets of neighbors (Nesking-doner is the other) has to be a town-wolf relationship. It would be redundant to have two sets of neighbors who were all town. So let's focus on these folks I say.
Since when does looking into someone give their character name???
That's my power. I don't get power or roles, just the character name. Gloves was DW before the reset, he can confirm this. He's confirmed Gizmoduck after all, if people are doubting me as DW or even town, all you have is Gloves, who was revealed at Gizmo through a day reveal.
I cannot believe how you are all grasping for straws on DW.
Okay, I'm caught up. Here are my thoughts right now.
If I were gambling man, I'd also say that hybrid did not come back as negaduck. I'd put my money as bushroot. ;-)
Let's run with doner's night event for a second...
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The shapeshifting of liquidator is troubling. Especially when paired with the "plainsight" reference in doner's event. Doner's event means that Taurus Bulba AND liquidator are still out there, one being a "harmless" indie. How harmless we talking? Does it involve a town win if DW dies? In which case I'd suspect Generic, since he's trying to find ways to off me (I'd like to see a counter claim to me being DW)
Would Liquidator have the alpha power as well or is the shapeshifting different? Alpha power = alignment check turns out town instead of wolf. What if the shapeshifting power = turns out the form of a harmless character when investigated by a detective (me)? Is it possible I investigated Liquidator and didn't even realize it? Unfortunately I only had the chance to investigate 2 players, NESfanatic, who was the Sheriff and promptly killed by a wolf, and Generic, who turned up as Tom Lockjaw. This is bordering on conspiracy level suspicion, though. I really don't think liquidator has another power other than role blocking and leaving his victim damp.
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With that said, still a little iffy on doner, but a little less suspicious than before.
If any townies claiming VT but with powers hasn't revealed that yet, now is a good time. Hogie, really Morgana is a VT? She was a sorceress on the show. Brock? Agent Deer? fought alongside DW at times.
Is there really no Launchpad after the reset?
If I had to vote now I'd go with either Hogie (Morgana?, neighbor with Stryphos) or Stryphos (Hooter?, neighbor with Hogie). One of these two sets of neighbors (Nesking-doner is the other) has to be a town-wolf relationship. It would be redundant to have two sets of neighbors who were all town. So let's focus on these folks I say.
Since when does looking into someone give their character name???
That's my power. I don't get power or roles, just the character name. Gloves was DW before the reset, he can confirm this. He's confirmed Gizmoduck after all, if people are doubting me as DW or even town, all you have is Gloves, who was revealed at Gizmo through a day reveal.
I cannot believe how you are all grasping for straws on DW.
I'm not grasping for anything, just trying to understand everyone's claims and make the best decision based on them.
Okay, I'm caught up. Here are my thoughts right now.
If I were gambling man, I'd also say that hybrid did not come back as negaduck. I'd put my money as bushroot. ;-)
Let's run with doner's night event for a second...
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The shapeshifting of liquidator is troubling. Especially when paired with the "plainsight" reference in doner's event. Doner's event means that Taurus Bulba AND liquidator are still out there, one being a "harmless" indie. How harmless we talking? Does it involve a town win if DW dies? In which case I'd suspect Generic, since he's trying to find ways to off me (I'd like to see a counter claim to me being DW)
Would Liquidator have the alpha power as well or is the shapeshifting different? Alpha power = alignment check turns out town instead of wolf. What if the shapeshifting power = turns out the form of a harmless character when investigated by a detective (me)? Is it possible I investigated Liquidator and didn't even realize it? Unfortunately I only had the chance to investigate 2 players, NESfanatic, who was the Sheriff and promptly killed by a wolf, and Generic, who turned up as Tom Lockjaw. This is bordering on conspiracy level suspicion, though. I really don't think liquidator has another power other than role blocking and leaving his victim damp.
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With that said, still a little iffy on doner, but a little less suspicious than before.
If any townies claiming VT but with powers hasn't revealed that yet, now is a good time. Hogie, really Morgana is a VT? She was a sorceress on the show. Brock? Agent Deer? fought alongside DW at times.
Is there really no Launchpad after the reset?
If I had to vote now I'd go with either Hogie (Morgana?, neighbor with Stryphos) or Stryphos (Hooter?, neighbor with Hogie). One of these two sets of neighbors (Nesking-doner is the other) has to be a town-wolf relationship. It would be redundant to have two sets of neighbors who were all town. So let's focus on these folks I say.
I was quite disappointed to receive a character like Morgana and have ZERO abilities. I even had to write the GM's and make sure I wasn't missing something. :-( I would love to hear the reasoning behind the decision by the GM's to make that happen.
"Generic is a townie"
Ok we that has been established by yourself and Gloves, but I'm more inclined to believe that Gloves actually looked into me.
Just as Alakhira believes a possible theory about a shapeshifter and him naming me (which is actually more convoluted than anything) as the top suspect in that situation, he could be a wolf and played this game very well.....as a wolf.
Alakhira's vote pattern has been crap. Bert was a wolf, yet Alakhira didn't want to vote him. Especially when Bert was called out as a wolf. He also stalled me on the Fox vote as well. "Generic, unvote Fox so we can here his defense".
So my reasonings make perfect sense. Especially since others are calling out Alakhira. I'm not the only one.
Town (king) - Bert, Generic, Gloves, Limbo, Brock, alekx, behemos, alakhira, Puppy, NED
Town (alekx) - Puppy, hybrid, Limbo, Gloves, behemos, NED, Bert, doner, Stryphos
Town (hybrid) - Puppy, Generic, Gloves, Bert, NED, behemos, alakhira, pimp
Wolf (Bert) - Alakhira, Generic, doner24, Brock Landers, Hogie1418, Puppywaffles, Stryphos, behemos
Wolf (Puppy) - ne$_pimp, fox, Gloves, Brock Landers, behemos, Hogie1418, Generic
Wolf (fox) - ne$_pimp, Gloves, Generic, behemos, alakhira, Brock Landers
So Fox voted for Puppy because the wolves knew he was getting the axe. Did any other wolves throw a vote in to try to blend in?
Town (king) - Bert, Generic, Gloves, Limbo, Brock, alekx, behemos, alakhira, Puppy, NED
Town (alekx) - Puppy, hybrid, Limbo, Gloves, behemos, NED, Bert, doner, Stryphos
Town (hybrid) - Puppy, Generic, Gloves, Bert, NED, behemos, alakhira, pimp
Wolf (Bert) - Alakhira, Generic, doner24, Brock Landers, Hogie1418, Puppywaffles, Stryphos, behemos
Wolf (Puppy) - ne$_pimp, fox, Gloves, Brock Landers, behemos, Hogie1418, Generic
Wolf (fox) - ne$_pimp, Gloves, Generic, behemos, alakhira, Brock Landers
So Fox voted for Puppy because the wolves knew he was getting the axe. Did any other wolves throw a vote in to try to blend in?
Not sure, but again, Alakhira is my top suspect at this point.
Town (king) - Bert, Generic, Gloves, Limbo, Brock, alekx, behemos, alakhira, Puppy, NED
Town (alekx) - Puppy, hybrid, Limbo, Gloves, behemos, NED, Bert, doner, Stryphos
Town (hybrid) - Puppy, Generic, Gloves, Bert, NED, behemos, alakhira, pimp
Wolf (Bert) - Alakhira, Generic, doner24, Brock Landers, Hogie1418, Puppywaffles, Stryphos, behemos
Wolf (Puppy) - ne$_pimp, fox, Gloves, Brock Landers, behemos, Hogie1418, Generic
Wolf (fox) - ne$_pimp, Gloves, Generic, behemos, alakhira, Brock Landers
So Fox voted for Puppy because the wolves knew he was getting the axe. Did any other wolves throw a vote in to try to blend in?
Not sure, but again, Alakhira is my top suspect at this point.
If there was another Darkwing, I would assume they would have come forward with that information at this point. Or, was Pimps crazy ramblings about Darkwing being bad, actually those of an enlightened individual?
Town (king) - Bert, Generic, Gloves, Limbo, Brock, alekx, behemos, alakhira, Puppy, NED
Town (alekx) - Puppy, hybrid, Limbo, Gloves, behemos, NED, Bert, doner, Stryphos
Town (hybrid) - Puppy, Generic, Gloves, Bert, NED, behemos, alakhira, pimp
Wolf (Bert) - Alakhira, Generic, doner24, Brock Landers, Hogie1418, Puppywaffles, Stryphos, behemos
Wolf (Puppy) - ne$_pimp, fox, Gloves, Brock Landers, behemos, Hogie1418, Generic
Wolf (fox) - ne$_pimp, Gloves, Generic, behemos, alakhira, Brock Landers
So Fox voted for Puppy because the wolves knew he was getting the axe. Did any other wolves throw a vote in to try to blend in?
Not sure, but again, Alakhira is my top suspect at this point.
If there was another Darkwing, I would assume they would have come forward with that information at this point. Or, was Pimps crazy ramblings about Darkwing being bad, actually those of an enlightened individual?
Could be.
Anything is quite possible, especially in this round of WW. Ther is a ton of speculation. However, I'm just going off of voting patterns at this point. Unless someone has some groundbreaking accusations.
Alakhira had provided "tons of info" that any wolf would knoW. The wolves KNOW who's a townie and who isn't.
"Generic is a townie"
Ok we that has been established by yourself and Gloves, but I'm more inclined to believe that Gloves actually looked into me.
Just as Alakhira believes a possible theory about a shapeshifter and him naming me (which is actually more convoluted than anything) as the top suspect in that situation, he could be a wolf and played this game very well.....as a wolf.
Alakhira's vote pattern has been crap. Bert was a wolf, yet Alakhira didn't want to vote him. Especially when Bert was called out as a wolf. He also stalled me on the Fox vote as well. "Generic, unvote Fox so we can here his defense".
So my reasonings make perfect sense. Especially since others are calling out Alakhira. I'm not the only one.
I voted for Bert revealing I was DW. And guess what still no orhee claimants to DW. Can't really explain that away. I hesitated on fox because it was either him or pimp or both. That's all clear from my posting.
All you're doing is giving me to question your role or your logic. Did you catch something pimp had? Why are you even pursuing this conspiracy? It's like deflection. The neighbor lead is actual a good one but you're fixated.
Doner only voted twice. Late to a townie lynch but early on Bert. The latter speaks in his favor.
Stryphos voted twice. The hammer on Townie Alex and late to Bert. Super late to role reveal. Excuses about school.
Hogie voted only twice, late to puppy and Bert. Also held out for a long time on role reveals butveas active. Which makes less sense if he is really VT. If he had a role it would make sense why he might want to hold out.
I'm debating between stryphos and hogie. Based on role claims hogie looks worse.
Still the heritage issue with behemos. He voted for everyone late or middle of the pack.
I was also the first vote on Bert.
Doner only voted twice. Late to a townie lynch but early on Bert. The latter speaks in his favor.
Stryphos voted twice. The hammer on Townie Alex and late to Bert. Super late to role reveal. Excuses about school.
Hogie voted only twice, late to puppy and Bert. Also held out for a long time on role reveals butveas active. Which makes less sense if he is really VT. If he had a role it would make sense why he might want to hold out.
I'm debating between stryphos and hogie. Based on role claims hogie looks worse.
Still the heritage issue with behemos. He voted for everyone late or middle of the pack.
I was not late to the Puppy party, on the day we voted him out, he actually started to make me believe he could be Launchpad. I can admit that he began to get in my head. Also, I was the FIRST to vote puppy the day before and point out the clues left behind by our SEER. The word Lupine was used by Hybrid to signify when he was either pointing to a player or pointing us away from a player. It just so happened that everyone jumped on Bert and I still wanted Puppy. Hence being late on Bert. I did not want to reveal my role in an attempt to protect our role players. Pimp had the same thought and to be honest I probably should have held out longer. Puppy was hounding me for my role and in the end I gave in when I probably should have held strong. I have done nothing against town, and when I have not been sure about a vote, I have stood back. I am the type of person who wants facts and in this game you rarely get them. I felt I had facts on 2 votes this game, MBC and Puppy and because of that I went after them.
I was also the first vote on Bert.
Doner only voted twice. Late to a townie lynch but early on Bert. The latter speaks in his favor.
Stryphos voted twice. The hammer on Townie Alex and late to Bert. Super late to role reveal. Excuses about school.
Hogie voted only twice, late to puppy and Bert. Also held out for a long time on role reveals butveas active. Which makes less sense if he is really VT. If he had a role it would make sense why he might want to hold out.
I'm debating between stryphos and hogie. Based on role claims hogie looks worse.
Still the heritage issue with behemos. He voted for everyone late or middle of the pack.
I was also very against Puppy early if you check the day we voted out Bert, I just happened to be busy traveling the day of the vote.
I was hesitant to lead the charge on others simply because I did a horrible job finding wolves the last werewolf game as a townie as well.
I was also the first vote on Bert.
Doner only voted twice. Late to a townie lynch but early on Bert. The latter speaks in his favor.
Stryphos voted twice. The hammer on Townie Alex and late to Bert. Super late to role reveal. Excuses about school.
Hogie voted only twice, late to puppy and Bert. Also held out for a long time on role reveals butveas active. Which makes less sense if he is really VT. If he had a role it would make sense why he might want to hold out.
I'm debating between stryphos and hogie. Based on role claims hogie looks worse.
Still the heritage issue with behemos. He voted for everyone late or middle of the pack.
I was also very against Puppy early if you check the day we voted out Bert, I just happened to be busy traveling the day of the vote.
I was hesitant to lead the charge on others simply because I did a horrible job finding wolves the last werewolf game as a townie as well.
You did better than most last game, as you were the first to claim that I was a wolf.
Alakhira had provided "tons of info" that any wolf would knoW. The wolves KNOW who's a townie and who isn't.
"Generic is a townie"
Ok we that has been established by yourself and Gloves, but I'm more inclined to believe that Gloves actually looked into me.
Just as Alakhira believes a possible theory about a shapeshifter and him naming me (which is actually more convoluted than anything) as the top suspect in that situation, he could be a wolf and played this game very well.....as a wolf.
Alakhira's vote pattern has been crap. Bert was a wolf, yet Alakhira didn't want to vote him. Especially when Bert was called out as a wolf. He also stalled me on the Fox vote as well. "Generic, unvote Fox so we can here his defense".
So my reasonings make perfect sense. Especially since others are calling out Alakhira. I'm not the only one.
I voted for Bert revealing I was DW. And guess what still no orhee claimants to DW. Can't really explain that away. I hesitated on fox because it was either him or pimp or both. That's all clear from my posting.
All you're doing is giving me to question your role or your logic. Did you catch something pimp had? Why are you even pursuing this conspiracy? It's like deflection. The neighbor lead is actual a good one but you're fixated.
Because it was a theory in passing and it has your feathers totally ruffled and I don't know why. If you're innocent, then good. Stop acting like your guilty if it's not true. It's all you're FIXATED on.
Also, if I'm acting suspect, then vote for me. You somehow have "cleared me" and so has Gloves. So please, vote for me and convince the others to do the same. I'd love to see how that turns out for you.
How about you give some thought to the issues surrounding stryphos and hogie I've outlined above? It's like you skip right over the fact there is little chance that all four neighbors are VT.
Hogie has been discussed above. I just have trouble seeing Morgana as a VT. That's FAR stranger than my not being a heritage character. Of course, I'm biased because I know I'm town. If he's really town, he probably feels the same about me.
And stryphos has a long list of odd behavior. He's involved with the only 24-hour school in existence, refused to reveal for a super long time, and his voting pattern hasn't been great. The only "good" vote he really made was his "hammer" on Puppy. But at that point it was clear Puppy was dead and he knew I had volunteered early to drop the hammer myself. So he jumped in (strangely free from school and house stuff at that precise moment) to drop it before I could so he could say he killed a wolf.
Jesus. If you paid attention I'm trying to focus on the neighbors web after having to defend myself from your crackpot theory. My feathers are ruffled because I'm having to deal with pimp level insanity. I thought we were down with that crap. There is literally nothing else for me to say on the matter. Im just repeating myself.
How about you give some thought to the issues surrounding stryphos and hogie I've outlined above? It's like you skip right over the fact there is little chance that all four neighbors are VT.
AGAIN, it was a theory in passing. You're the one who got his undies in a wad and so I elaborated on my theory since it "made no sense" to you.
If we're looking at neighbors, stryphos and hogie are the most suspicious to me at this point.
Hogie has been discussed above. I just have trouble seeing Morgana as a VT. That's FAR stranger than my not being a heritage character. Of course, I'm biased because I know I'm town. If he's really town, he probably feels the same about me.
And stryphos has a long list of odd behavior. He's involved with the only 24-hour school in existence, refused to reveal for a super long time, and his voting pattern hasn't been great. The only "good" vote he really made was his "hammer" on Puppy. But at that point it was clear Puppy was dead and he knew I had volunteered early to drop the hammer myself. So he jumped in (strangely free from school and house stuff at that precise moment) to drop it before I could so he could say he killed a wolf.
Completely agree. He's been on the town radar anyway. Maybe this will get him talking.
**VOTE: Stryphos
Also did we ever get reports from the neighbors on what was said and when? I recall there being minimal conversation, but still, it might help clear 1 or 2 of them.
What are thoughts on a possible indy? If doner had a true night event, taurus bulba is out there with liquidator. Anyone able to crack the 4 letter clue?
I feel like if I was a wolf at this point in the game, I'd be actively trying to make it look like I'm NOT a wolf.
I'm personally leaning more Hogie than Stryphos.
Stryphos has basically stopped doing updates to contest leaderboards during the week, so he may just be THAT busy. Doesn't mean he's not a wolf though
So here is what is happening guys. The wolves have infiltrated us and by voting out there own they have solidified themselves into the town. Going after stryphos and I is kinda pointless if you ask me. I can guarantee you if I was a wolf or had any type of role, I would not have gone absent early after the reset. I got another non role player and I kinda just started to lose interest. This may be the same for Stryphos. I am not defending him but I would like everyone to think about looking from within rather than at those on the outskirts.
Okay, but when you state things along these lines, you need to back it up.
Who would you start with then?
I believe doner asked you this, and you completely dodged him. You responded to everything else you were asked but this.
So, who is your prime suspect?
So here is what is happening guys. The wolves have infiltrated us and by voting out there own they have solidified themselves into the town. Going after stryphos and I is kinda pointless if you ask me. I can guarantee you if I was a wolf or had any type of role, I would not have gone absent early after the reset. I got another non role player and I kinda just started to lose interest. This may be the same for Stryphos. I am not defending him but I would like everyone to think about looking from within rather than at those on the outskirts.
Okay, but when you state things along these lines, you need to back it up. Who would you start with then? I believe doner asked you this, and you completely dodged him. You responded to everything else you were asked but this. So, who is your prime suspect?
Of course, this is where the game gets tough. The last 3 wolves were layups. The next is going to be a guess and I believe some are pointing at me not due to actions but simply due to the unknown. The 3 that I worry about are Alakahira, Gloves or Brock. This will most likely get votes sent my way which is why I was hesitant to say anything earlier. I do not think they are all wolves, they simply have had the most influence on the game to this point. I think that the last 3 wolves fell on their swords to get this one person (maybe two) trusted by town.
So here is what is happening guys. The wolves have infiltrated us and by voting out there own they have solidified themselves into the town. Going after stryphos and I is kinda pointless if you ask me. I can guarantee you if I was a wolf or had any type of role, I would not have gone absent early after the reset. I got another non role player and I kinda just started to lose interest. This may be the same for Stryphos. I am not defending him but I would like everyone to think about looking from within rather than at those on the outskirts.
Okay, but when you state things along these lines, you need to back it up. Who would you start with then? I believe doner asked you this, and you completely dodged him. You responded to everything else you were asked but this. So, who is your prime suspect?
Of course, this is where the game gets tough. The last 3 wolves were layups. The next is going to be a guess and I believe some are pointing at me not due to actions but simply due to the unknown. The 3 that I worry about are Alakahira, Gloves or Brock. This will most likely get votes sent my way which is why I was hesitant to say anything earlier. I do not think they are all wolves, they simply have had the most influence on the game to this point. I think that the last 3 wolves fell on their swords to get this one person (maybe two) trusted by town.
I'm such an active person I'd expect me to be an influence in any forum game I play. It's just how I am, even when I was DW I was active as hell, trying to lead. And the same when I became vanilla. My role will never dictate how I behave, and simply by being very very active I will always have great effect on the games I play.
I'm such an active person I'd expect me to be an influence in any forum game I play. It's just how I am, even when I was DW I was active as hell, trying to lead. And the same when I became vanilla. My role will never dictate how I behave, and simply by being very very active I will always have great effect on the games I play.
Yes, I am not saying wolves can only be those who influence the game, I just feel that in this situation the wolves have put someone like you (Not necessarily you) in charge and in gotten them in with town to lead the charge. Obviously, wolves do not have to be vocal. This is my conspiracy theory. We all have them.
So here is what is happening guys. The wolves have infiltrated us and by voting out there own they have solidified themselves into the town. Going after stryphos and I is kinda pointless if you ask me. I can guarantee you if I was a wolf or had any type of role, I would not have gone absent early after the reset. I got another non role player and I kinda just started to lose interest. This may be the same for Stryphos. I am not defending him but I would like everyone to think about looking from within rather than at those on the outskirts.
Okay, but when you state things along these lines, you need to back it up. Who would you start with then? I believe doner asked you this, and you completely dodged him. You responded to everything else you were asked but this. So, who is your prime suspect?
Of course, this is where the game gets tough. The last 3 wolves were layups. The next is going to be a guess and I believe some are pointing at me not due to actions but simply due to the unknown. The 3 that I worry about are Alakahira, Gloves or Brock. This will most likely get votes sent my way which is why I was hesitant to say anything earlier. I do not think they are all wolves, they simply have had the most influence on the game to this point. I think that the last 3 wolves fell on their swords to get this one person (maybe two) trusted by town.
I agree completely with what you are saying; the final wolf (or two, though alakhira has *hinted* there is one) is clever, or the other ones indeed died to embed him.
Gloves and Alakhira HAVE to be cleared. I cannot think of any plausible situation where they were flipped to the wolves, or were non-town from the beginning. Every death is accounted for at this point so know both roles are still alive. The story matches what happened pre-reset too.
Generic is cleared by Alakhira. That is all I can say on that matter.
That leaves everyone else as far as I'm concerned. behemos has the best cover right now due to being roleblocked, which I believe is the truth (see previous posts for logic). Everyone else is fair game.
If Taurus Bulba is the indy, and he has a benign win condition (can win with either side or something), please step forward so we have one less thing to sort out. Neither side can afford to waste a kill on you
Is there any scenario where DW and Gizmo could be wolves? Think about it, DW keeps his abilities but switches sides, this is the negaverse. Gizmo comes along as well because he is darkwings protector. As has been stated before, roles have not changed. You could not have an evil DW without Gizmo also coming along because that would change the roles.