I may make a nomination for the SNES Classic Mini, that it be nominated for inclusion for the Star Fox series badge, since Star Fox 2 is an official release, not a remake of any existing game, and the only way to get it legally is to buy an SNES Classic.
It does contain Star Fox. It is an official item. If you want to include the system with other Star Fox items for the Star Fox badge I can't see you getting any resistance.
Edit : Okay, Jdurg said it, like, in the first sentence of his post, haha.
I'll say it too.
If it doesn't run on an SNES then it isn't an SNES game.
Is Mario All Stars a SNES or a NES game?
Mario AllStars contains remakes of some NES games but it is a SNES game.
What about Zelda Collectors edition for GameCube?
It is a GameCube game.
The SNES classic is the SNES classic not the SNES.
All stars did get an overhall on the graphics so not sure if anyone would argue that, though All stars on Wii is the exact same just for wii, its an example I used here earlier. Like I said, people dont collect roms, they collect the containers of the roms. If the container is different, it doesnt belong.
Not really. It's insane calling a SNES game not an SNES game solely because it is not on a cartridge and released in a later era. It's a SNES game, just the code wasn't put on a circa 1996 SNES board and chipset. If you want to argue it doesn't belong in the set, I can see that. But to call it not an SNES game is dumb.
About those questions. Nah, but they're also just re-releases of an existing released NES game. I get where you're going rom plus emulator. And on the second question same answer. Already released games for a region with the exception of the english Earthbound for NES. I don't see any hypocrisy in that as you're ignoring a re-release from a new release that never was out before. Earthbound (Beginnings) would fit with Star Fox 2 if you really wanted to get into semantics. The LTBW game on 3DS is not even a logical comparison as it wasn't on SNES ever or intended for it. Star Fox 2 like Earthbound (Beginnings) were made and completed in the era for their systems but never made it to retail. They're legit games of the time and period which slipped through time due to bad circumstances.
It is not insane. It is logical. You can not play it on the SNES so it is not a SNES game. It does not exists as a SNES game unless you want to call it a prototype. It which case nothing has changed with the release of the SNES classic. It is what it has always been.
Edit : Okay, Jdurg said it, like, in the first sentence of his post, haha.
I'll say it too.
If it doesn't run on an SNES then it isn't an SNES game.
Is Mario All Stars a SNES or a NES game?
Mario AllStars contains remakes of some NES games but it is a SNES game.
What about Zelda Collectors edition for GameCube?
It is a GameCube game.
The SNES classic is the SNES classic not the SNES.
All stars did get an overhall on the graphics so not sure if anyone would argue that, though All stars on Wii is the exact same just for wii, its an example I used here earlier. Like I said, people dont collect roms, they collect the containers of the roms. If the container is different, it doesnt belong.
I am not a fan of Star Fox so I didn't play this game but some said there were differences between this version and the prototype.
Did they tweak it any for the SNES classic?
Not that it matters. This is such a silly argument. Many example out there to pick from.
Does my Xbox One RARE replay disc count towards the N64 collection? Cross Banjo and Conkers off the list....
I may make a nomination for the SNES Classic Mini, that it be nominated for inclusion for the Star Fox series badge, since Star Fox 2 is an official release, not a remake of any existing game, and the only way to get it legally is to buy an SNES Classic.
It does contain Star Fox. It is an official item. If you want to include the system with other Star Fox items for the Star Fox badge I can't see you getting any resistance.
It actually needs to be a requirement for the starfox icon, because it's the only way to get starfox 2, which is an official starfox game.
I am not a fan of Star Fox so I didn't play this game but some said there were differences between this version and the prototype.
Did they tweak it any for the SNES classic?
Not that it matters. This is such a silly argument. Many example out there to pick from.
Does my Xbox One RARE replay disc count towards the N64 collection? Cross Banjo and Conkers off the list....
That is not the same thing and you know it. I assume they also removed the N64 logo that gets sawed in half on the game. In fact I seriously doubt there's any native n64 code in that game at all. nobody is arguing that any remake of any nintendo game should be included.
What we have on the table here is a brand new snes game released by nintendo some 31 years after it was developed. Starfox 2 is an official Nintendo release. It doesn't matter if the ROM embedded in a piece of silcon inside an snes cart or a piece of silicon inside a miniature snes. Both plug into a TV and run native snes game code.
I am not a fan of Star Fox so I didn't play this game but some said there were differences between this version and the prototype.
Did they tweak it any for the SNES classic?
Not that it matters. This is such a silly argument. Many example out there to pick from.
Does my Xbox One RARE replay disc count towards the N64 collection? Cross Banjo and Conkers off the list....
That is not the same thing and you know it. I assume they also removed the N64 logo that gets sawed in half on the game. In fact I seriously doubt there's any native n64 code in that game at all. nobody is arguing that any remake of any nintendo game should be included.
What we have on the table here is a brand new snes game released by nintendo some 31 years after it was developed. Starfox 2 is an official Nintendo release. It doesn't matter if the ROM embedded in a piece of silcon inside an snes cart or a piece of silicon inside a miniature snes. Both plug into a TV and run native snes game code.
Man it is the same thing. Call it what it is. The SNES classic is only a set of digital codes on a modern plug and play unit.
The Atari flashbacks units have had unreleased games prior to SNES. This is the first time anyone has made these silly arguments.
So starfox 2 isn't required for a full starfox set?
I'm still confused as to what you mean "full set" of what?
Full set of SNES games? No.
Full set of everything ever made by Nintendo related to Starfox? Yes.
Where is this list and what is currently on it?
Places that track the value of console games like gamevaluenow.com that don't track digital games won't include Starfox 2 by name.
Sar Fox badge requires users to collect every Star Fox release. Since Star Fox 2 is an official, physical game release by Nintendo (SNES Classic is a self contained physical release), released in North America, then you should neeed an SNES Classic to get Star Fox 2 aand complete the badge.
EDIT: And provide a screenshot evidence that you have unlocked the game on the console.
So starfox 2 isn't required for a full starfox set?
I'm still confused as to what you mean "full set" of what?
Full set of SNES games? No.
Full set of everything ever made by Nintendo related to Starfox? Yes.
Where is this list and what is currently on it?
Places that track the value of console games like gamevaluenow.com that don't track digital games won't include Starfox 2 by name.
Sar Fox badge requires users to collect every Star Fox release. Since Star Fox 2 is an official, physical game release by Nintendo (SNES Classic is a self contained physical release), released in North America, then you should neeed an SNES Classic to get Star Fox 2 aand complete the badge.
EDIT: And provide a screenshot evidence that you have unlocked the game on the console.
However, they want to do it they will do it. Personally, I don't have any badges nor care much but imho the thought process is flawed and will lead to future confusion.
Hopefully, the badge is for every physical cartridge and disc console release and you won't need the SNES classic for the badge. If they start including things like this where do you draw the line? Will you also need all Starfox titled offered on the Nintendo Eshop for every system they are offered on?
Another problem is that if you need the SNES classic for the Starfox complete set badge then you also need the SNES classic for the Final Fantasy set, Earthbound set , Castlevania set, Kirby set etc. You will also need the NES classic for the badge of every series included on it as well.
Right now there is one SNES classic. What if they update it and release new ones like they did with the Atari flashback. There are at least 7 flashbacks that I can think of but I would guess the number is closer to 10. If Starfox games are released on 5-10 different plug and play units then you will need all 5-10 units for the badge?
As I said I'm not a fan of the Starfox series nor do I have any badges but I do like to keep things logical and clean. This seems like a disaster in the making.
So starfox 2 isn't required for a full starfox set?
I'm still confused as to what you mean "full set" of what?
Full set of SNES games? No.
Full set of everything ever made by Nintendo related to Starfox? Yes.
Where is this list and what is currently on it?
Places that track the value of console games like gamevaluenow.com that don't track digital games won't include Starfox 2 by name.
Sar Fox badge requires users to collect every Star Fox release. Since Star Fox 2 is an official, physical game release by Nintendo (SNES Classic is a self contained physical release), released in North America, then you should neeed an SNES Classic to get Star Fox 2 aand complete the badge.
EDIT: And provide a screenshot evidence that you have unlocked the game on the console.
However, they want to do it they will do it. Personally, I don't have any badges nor care much but imho the thought process is flawed and will lead to future confusion.
Hopefully, the badge is for every physical cartridge and disc console release and you won't need the SNES classic for the badge. If they start including things like this where do you draw the line? Will you also need all Starfox titled offered on the Nintendo Eshop for every system they are offered on?
Another problem is that if you need the SNES classic for the Starfox complete set badge then you also need the SNES classic for the Final Fantasy set, Earthbound set , Castlevania set, Kirby set etc. You will also need the NES classic for the badge of every series included on it as well.
Right now there is one SNES classic. What if they update it and release new ones like they did with the Atari flashback. There are at least 7 flashbacks that I can think of but I would guess the number is closer to 10. If Starfox games are released on 5-10 different plug and play units then you will need all 5-10 units for the badge?
As I said I'm not a fan of the Starfox series nor do I have any badges but I do like to keep things logical and clean. This seems like a disaster in the making.
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. To me a game coded for and designed for the SNES that is a finished ROM is a SNES game. I'm not even arguing the set piece on this, but you'll never convince me it isn't a SNES game. It just didn't make it onto a cartridge due to bad circumstance, same with the NES Earthbound. Both are legit games for each system, just never made it to a period legit cartridge format is all. At least they got a release eventually. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised as it is a collector site first and collectors will have their own special reasoning on what is real and not to try and lock down a set.
Another problem is that if you need the SNES classic for the Starfox complete set badge then you also need the SNES classic for the Final Fantasy set, Earthbound set , Castlevania set, Kirby set etc. You will also need the NES classic for the badge of every series included on it as well.
No you don't need the SNES Classic for anything but Etarfox 2. Only the original release counts, not reissues and remakes. Just like you can't buy SM All Stars and not the NES Marios and still get the Mario icon.
Star Fox 2 was released in North America officially, for the first time, on September 29th, 2017. So you need this physical item to complete a Starfox set. All of the other games require the original release because they first came out in the 1990s.
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. To me a game coded for and designed for the SNES that is a finished ROM is a SNES game. I'm not even arguing the set piece on this, but you'll never convince me it isn't a SNES game. It just didn't make it onto a cartridge due to bad circumstance, same with the NES Earthbound. Both are legit games for each system, just never made it to a period legit cartridge format is all. At least they got a release eventually. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised as it is a collector site first and collectors will have their own special reasoning on what is real and not to try and lock down a set.
Thank you. And people do play and collect digital games, authorized or bootleg. The Classic Minis are physical not digital distribution however, so they could as physical released systems with bundled games. Even though it is possible to add games to the system, there is no authorized way to do so, so the system remains closed as far as licensing is concerned. If you own the console, unmodded, you own the games contained theirin.
For the purpose of Starfox 2, it is the only means of legitimate access to said game.
That logic does not male sense to me. Sure its an Snes game but it did not come out in the period and it still is not on a nintendo rom chip in a snes game case. I would be willing to bet alot of games were completed but dropped at the last second we just did not hear about them and they were lost to time. I will agree with your reasoning to a degree if nintendo decided to release it in a Snes standard to the time package. I would even be ok with insert adverts advertising new gen stuff, but ot would have to be a stand alone game programed on time period style pcb and rom chip.
Another problem is that if you need the SNES classic for the Starfox complete set badge then you also need the SNES classic for the Final Fantasy set, Earthbound set , Castlevania set, Kirby set etc. You will also need the NES classic for the badge of every series included on it as well.
No you don't need the SNES Classic for anything but Etarfox 2. Only the original release counts, not reissues and remakes. Just like you can't buy SM All Stars and not the NES Marios and still get the Mario icon.
Star Fox 2 was released in North America officially, for the first time, on September 29th, 2017. So you need this physical item to complete a Starfox set. All of the other games require the original release because they first came out in the 1990s.
I don't know anything about icons but I would assume you will need both the NES Mario 1 2 3 games and SNES allstars for the badge.
Different system thus different game. SNES classic does not equal SNES.
If SNES classic Starfox 2 is required then so is SNES classic Castlevania IV for the Castlevania badge.
Lucky for those who do care it has already been established that the SNES classic is not required and for good reason.
That logic does not male sense to me. Sure its an Snes game but it did not come out in the period and it still is not on a nintendo rom chip in a snes game case. I would be willing to bet alot of games were completed but dropped at the last second we just did not hear about them and they were lost to time. I will agree with your reasoning to a degree if nintendo decided to release it in a Snes standard to the time package. I would even be ok with insert adverts advertising new gen stuff, but ot would have to be a stand alone game programed on time period style pcb and rom chip. Sorry meant to quote vmprhntrd's post.
It is game code on a ROM. Console plugs into the TV and plays code natively formatted for an SNES.
One of them is one piece of software (the ROM) and two separate pieces of hardware, SNES console and cart. The other is two software components (ROM and emulator) and one single hardware component.
But that is semantics. Both run SNES code and play on a TV. You could fabricate a 30-in-1 multicart and plug it into an SNES. Now epoxy it into the cartirdge slot on the system to get the same effect on vintage hardware. It would still be an SNES system would it not? Now fold the PCB flat and glue the cart door shut. Still an SNES. Now shrink it down, add fancy menus, save states, and an HDMI port, and somehow it no longer qualifies?
That logic does not male sense to me. Sure its an Snes game but it did not come out in the period and it still is not on a nintendo rom chip in a snes game case. I would be willing to bet alot of games were completed but dropped at the last second we just did not hear about them and they were lost to time. I will agree with your reasoning to a degree if nintendo decided to release it in a Snes standard to the time package. I would even be ok with insert adverts advertising new gen stuff, but ot would have to be a stand alone game programed on time period style pcb and rom chip. Sorry meant to quote vmprhntrd's post.
It is game code on a ROM. Console plugs into the TV and plays code natively formatted for an SNES.
One of them is one piece of software (the ROM) and two separate pieces of hardware, SNES console and cart. The other is two software components (ROM and emulator) and one single hardware component.
But that is semantics. Both run SNES code and play on a TV. You could fabricate a 30-in-1 multicart and plug it into an SNES. Now epoxy it into the cartirdge slot on the system to get the same effect on vintage hardware. It would still be an SNES system would it not? Now fold the PCB flat and glue the cart door shut. Still an SNES. Now shrink it down, add fancy menus, save states, and an HDMI port, and somehow it no longer qualifies?
To the last question that is right it no longer qualifies as an snes. Its an emulation machine. The game would need to be on a standard for the time rom chip not an eprom and would need to be sold as a single game for me to consider it a late release.
To the last question that is right it no longer qualifies as an snes. Its an emulation machine. The game would need to be on a standard for the time rom chip not an eprom and would need to be sold as a single game for me to consider it a late release.
Some bitd games were released on eproms fyi. And besides, flash rom, arm cpu, and hdmi are very much "standard for the time" for a 2017 release, just as 5V mask rom were standard from the Atari years up through the 16-bit era.
The packaging and technology may be different, but the end result (playing snes games on a tv) is the same.
To the last question that is right it no longer qualifies as an snes. Its an emulation machine. The game would need to be on a standard for the time rom chip not an eprom and would need to be sold as a single game for me to consider it a late release.
Some bitd games were released on eproms fyi. And besides, flash rom, arm cpu, and hdmi are very much "standard for the time" for a 2017 release, just as 5V mask rom were standard from the Atari years up through the 16-bit era.
The packaging and technology may be different, but the end result (playing snes games on a tv) is the same.
Unreleased games getting out to the public concerns gamers moreso than collectors, IMO. Speaking as someone more concerned with the former than the latter. (With no interest or concern in "full sets" of anything for their own sake, so defining those as requiring the little Nintendo doesn't affect me at all. I have no horse in this race but this is my opinion as a collector/gamer/fan in general.)
It's like an unreleased demo from a band. Or a sketchbook from a comic book artist in the back of a tpb. Yes, duh, fans will be interested. But not necessary to say one has every album or every issue.
I consider this "release" of StarFox 2, in a compilation, as supplemental material and a "rarity". Required as "every Starfox thing ever"? OK. But not really akin to any other "full set" ever. As I said earlier, this is a gray area.
But I think you can't define this item as required for a list of items published for a particular format and at the same time doesn't work on that format. The fact of it theoretically working on a software version of that hardware format is interesting but irrelevant.
If SNES classic Starfox 2 is required then so is SNES classic Castlevania IV for the Castlevania badge.
Of course not. You need the original release of Castlevania IV. That's an SNES cart.
You need the original release of Starfox 2? That's a Classic Mini.
Lucky for us badges aren't subjective. So this is an easy argument to settle. Badges are established by those running the show at NA.
You have seen mods posting here that the SNES classic is not needed for the Starfox badge. So it HAS been established and there isn't much more to say.
Unreleased games getting out to the public concerns gamers moreso than collectors, IMO. Speaking as someone more concerned with the former than the latter. (With no interest or concern in "full sets" of anything for their own sake, so defining those as requiring the little Nintendo doesn't affect me at all. I have no horse in this race but this is my opinion as a collector/gamer/fan in general.)
It's like an unreleased demo from a band. Or a sketchbook from a comic book artist in the back of a tpb. Yes, duh, fans will be interested. But not necessary to say one has every album or every issue.
I consider this "release" of StarFox 2, in a compilation, as supplemental material and a "rarity". Required as "every Starfox thing ever"? OK. But not really akin to any other "full set" ever. As I said earlier, this is a gray area.
But I think you can't define this item as required for a list of items published for a particular format and at the same time doesn't work on that format. The fact of it theoretically working on a software version of that hardware format is interesting but irrelevant.
So if an old band release an old demo on CD but it's not on vinyl album like the rest of their back catalog. For the moment humor me for a bit and pretend vinyl isn't making a comeback and has been dead as a format for some time.
So the back in the day releases (12" vinyl LP albums) comprise the full body of music for the band, yet a CD greatest hits disc with an unreleased bonus demo track from back in the day doesn't count because it's a different form factor.
The one new song on the CD has a modern release date but isn't included in the body of the band's work because no 7" vinyl 45 of the new track was pressed, so vinyl collectors can't play it on their turntables?
That's how silly it is with detractors calling the SNES Mini's Starfox 2 not a legit SNES release because the form factor (cart vs mini console or Vinyl vs CD) isn't the same, and requires a different telivision set?
If SNES classic Starfox 2 is required then so is SNES classic Castlevania IV for the Castlevania badge.
Of course not. You need the original release of Castlevania IV. That's an SNES cart.
You need the original release of Starfox 2? That's a Classic Mini.
Lucky for us badges aren't subjective. So this is an easy argument to settle. Badges are established by those running the show at NA.
You have seen mods posting here that the SNES classic is not needed for the Starfox badge. So it HAS been established and there isn't much more to say.
The OP asked for opinions, not facts.
If it were my choice, the Classic Mini would be required for a Starfox set, and Mother 1 and Mother 3 imports (not repros) would be required for an Earthbound set. And you'd also need an FDS Mario 2 for the Mario badge. But remakes and reissues of games would also count as substitutes. You could ie swap 3DS Majora's Mask for N64 version if you wanted, or mix NTSC/PAL/JP games to complete a set. Famicom Panic Restaurant or Bonk's play the same as their American counterparts so feel free to sub them. And yeah, I got the alternate title screen variation of Stadium Events included on the 3-in-1 Mario so gimme mah badge already!
And yes, I'm aware I don't run the place. NintendoAge is collector centric, North American releases only as far as badges go. I get collecting a specific NTSC, PAL, or Japan region set, but series badges should include imports. Makes it more fun that way and yields more collecting/player options.
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I may make a nomination for the SNES Classic Mini, that it be nominated for inclusion for the Star Fox series badge, since Star Fox 2 is an official release, not a remake of any existing game, and the only way to get it legally is to buy an SNES Classic.
It does contain Star Fox. It is an official item. If you want to include the system with other Star Fox items for the Star Fox badge I can't see you getting any resistance.
Who said it wasn't a SNES game?
Edit : Okay, Jdurg said it, like, in the first sentence of his post, haha.
I'll say it too.
If it doesn't run on an SNES then it isn't an SNES game.
Is Mario All Stars a SNES or a NES game?
Mario AllStars contains remakes of some NES games but it is a SNES game.
What about Zelda Collectors edition for GameCube?
It is a GameCube game.
The SNES classic is the SNES classic not the SNES.
All stars did get an overhall on the graphics so not sure if anyone would argue that, though All stars on Wii is the exact same just for wii, its an example I used here earlier. Like I said, people dont collect roms, they collect the containers of the roms. If the container is different, it doesnt belong.
Not really. It's insane calling a SNES game not an SNES game solely because it is not on a cartridge and released in a later era. It's a SNES game, just the code wasn't put on a circa 1996 SNES board and chipset. If you want to argue it doesn't belong in the set, I can see that. But to call it not an SNES game is dumb.
About those questions. Nah, but they're also just re-releases of an existing released NES game. I get where you're going rom plus emulator. And on the second question same answer. Already released games for a region with the exception of the english Earthbound for NES. I don't see any hypocrisy in that as you're ignoring a re-release from a new release that never was out before. Earthbound (Beginnings) would fit with Star Fox 2 if you really wanted to get into semantics. The LTBW game on 3DS is not even a logical comparison as it wasn't on SNES ever or intended for it. Star Fox 2 like Earthbound (Beginnings) were made and completed in the era for their systems but never made it to retail. They're legit games of the time and period which slipped through time due to bad circumstances.
It is not insane. It is logical. You can not play it on the SNES so it is not a SNES game. It does not exists as a SNES game unless you want to call it a prototype. It which case nothing has changed with the release of the SNES classic. It is what it has always been.
Who said it wasn't a SNES game?
Edit : Okay, Jdurg said it, like, in the first sentence of his post, haha.
I'll say it too.
If it doesn't run on an SNES then it isn't an SNES game.
Is Mario All Stars a SNES or a NES game?
Mario AllStars contains remakes of some NES games but it is a SNES game.
What about Zelda Collectors edition for GameCube?
It is a GameCube game.
The SNES classic is the SNES classic not the SNES.
All stars did get an overhall on the graphics so not sure if anyone would argue that, though All stars on Wii is the exact same just for wii, its an example I used here earlier. Like I said, people dont collect roms, they collect the containers of the roms. If the container is different, it doesnt belong.
I am not a fan of Star Fox so I didn't play this game but some said there were differences between this version and the prototype.
Did they tweak it any for the SNES classic?
Not that it matters. This is such a silly argument. Many example out there to pick from.
Does my Xbox One RARE replay disc count towards the N64 collection? Cross Banjo and Conkers off the list....
The ROM is different from what I understand, haven't played it myself. I'm more interested in the official art released for it
I may make a nomination for the SNES Classic Mini, that it be nominated for inclusion for the Star Fox series badge, since Star Fox 2 is an official release, not a remake of any existing game, and the only way to get it legally is to buy an SNES Classic.
It does contain Star Fox. It is an official item. If you want to include the system with other Star Fox items for the Star Fox badge I can't see you getting any resistance.
It actually needs to be a requirement for the starfox icon, because it's the only way to get starfox 2, which is an official starfox game.
I am not a fan of Star Fox so I didn't play this game but some said there were differences between this version and the prototype.
Did they tweak it any for the SNES classic?
Not that it matters. This is such a silly argument. Many example out there to pick from.
Does my Xbox One RARE replay disc count towards the N64 collection? Cross Banjo and Conkers off the list....
That is not the same thing and you know it. I assume they also removed the N64 logo that gets sawed in half on the game. In fact I seriously doubt there's any native n64 code in that game at all. nobody is arguing that any remake of any nintendo game should be included.
What we have on the table here is a brand new snes game released by nintendo some 31 years after it was developed. Starfox 2 is an official Nintendo release. It doesn't matter if the ROM embedded in a piece of silcon inside an snes cart or a piece of silicon inside a miniature snes. Both plug into a TV and run native snes game code.
I am not a fan of Star Fox so I didn't play this game but some said there were differences between this version and the prototype.
Did they tweak it any for the SNES classic?
Not that it matters. This is such a silly argument. Many example out there to pick from.
Does my Xbox One RARE replay disc count towards the N64 collection? Cross Banjo and Conkers off the list....
That is not the same thing and you know it. I assume they also removed the N64 logo that gets sawed in half on the game. In fact I seriously doubt there's any native n64 code in that game at all. nobody is arguing that any remake of any nintendo game should be included.
What we have on the table here is a brand new snes game released by nintendo some 31 years after it was developed. Starfox 2 is an official Nintendo release. It doesn't matter if the ROM embedded in a piece of silcon inside an snes cart or a piece of silicon inside a miniature snes. Both plug into a TV and run native snes game code.
Man it is the same thing. Call it what it is. The SNES classic is only a set of digital codes on a modern plug and play unit.
The Atari flashbacks units have had unreleased games prior to SNES. This is the first time anyone has made these silly arguments.
So starfox 2 isn't required for a full starfox set?
You can include anything you want for a complete list of Star Fox items. Competition banner, pin , jacket etc etc.
These are all Star fox items. Include the SNES classic too if you wish. It does feature Starfox on the box.
So starfox 2 isn't required for a full starfox set?
I'm still confused as to what you mean "full set" of what?
Full set of SNES games? No.
Full set of everything ever made by Nintendo related to Starfox? Yes.
Where is this list and what is currently on it?
Places that track the value of console games like gamevaluenow.com that don't track digital games won't include Starfox 2 by name.
So starfox 2 isn't required for a full starfox set?
I'm still confused as to what you mean "full set" of what?
Full set of SNES games? No.
Full set of everything ever made by Nintendo related to Starfox? Yes.
Where is this list and what is currently on it?
Places that track the value of console games like gamevaluenow.com that don't track digital games won't include Starfox 2 by name.
Sar Fox badge requires users to collect every Star Fox release. Since Star Fox 2 is an official, physical game release by Nintendo (SNES Classic is a self contained physical release), released in North America, then you should neeed an SNES Classic to get Star Fox 2 aand complete the badge.
EDIT: And provide a screenshot evidence that you have unlocked the game on the console.
So starfox 2 isn't required for a full starfox set?
I'm still confused as to what you mean "full set" of what?
Full set of SNES games? No.
Full set of everything ever made by Nintendo related to Starfox? Yes.
Where is this list and what is currently on it?
Places that track the value of console games like gamevaluenow.com that don't track digital games won't include Starfox 2 by name.
Sar Fox badge requires users to collect every Star Fox release. Since Star Fox 2 is an official, physical game release by Nintendo (SNES Classic is a self contained physical release), released in North America, then you should neeed an SNES Classic to get Star Fox 2 aand complete the badge.
EDIT: And provide a screenshot evidence that you have unlocked the game on the console.
However, they want to do it they will do it. Personally, I don't have any badges nor care much but imho the thought process is flawed and will lead to future confusion.
Hopefully, the badge is for every physical cartridge and disc console release and you won't need the SNES classic for the badge. If they start including things like this where do you draw the line? Will you also need all Starfox titled offered on the Nintendo Eshop for every system they are offered on?
Another problem is that if you need the SNES classic for the Starfox complete set badge then you also need the SNES classic for the Final Fantasy set, Earthbound set , Castlevania set, Kirby set etc. You will also need the NES classic for the badge of every series included on it as well.
Right now there is one SNES classic. What if they update it and release new ones like they did with the Atari flashback. There are at least 7 flashbacks that I can think of but I would guess the number is closer to 10. If Starfox games are released on 5-10 different plug and play units then you will need all 5-10 units for the badge?
As I said I'm not a fan of the Starfox series nor do I have any badges but I do like to keep things logical and clean. This seems like a disaster in the making.
So starfox 2 isn't required for a full starfox set?
I'm still confused as to what you mean "full set" of what?
Full set of SNES games? No.
Full set of everything ever made by Nintendo related to Starfox? Yes.
Where is this list and what is currently on it?
Places that track the value of console games like gamevaluenow.com that don't track digital games won't include Starfox 2 by name.
Sar Fox badge requires users to collect every Star Fox release. Since Star Fox 2 is an official, physical game release by Nintendo (SNES Classic is a self contained physical release), released in North America, then you should neeed an SNES Classic to get Star Fox 2 aand complete the badge.
EDIT: And provide a screenshot evidence that you have unlocked the game on the console.
However, they want to do it they will do it. Personally, I don't have any badges nor care much but imho the thought process is flawed and will lead to future confusion.
Hopefully, the badge is for every physical cartridge and disc console release and you won't need the SNES classic for the badge. If they start including things like this where do you draw the line? Will you also need all Starfox titled offered on the Nintendo Eshop for every system they are offered on?
Another problem is that if you need the SNES classic for the Starfox complete set badge then you also need the SNES classic for the Final Fantasy set, Earthbound set , Castlevania set, Kirby set etc. You will also need the NES classic for the badge of every series included on it as well.
Right now there is one SNES classic. What if they update it and release new ones like they did with the Atari flashback. There are at least 7 flashbacks that I can think of but I would guess the number is closer to 10. If Starfox games are released on 5-10 different plug and play units then you will need all 5-10 units for the badge?
As I said I'm not a fan of the Starfox series nor do I have any badges but I do like to keep things logical and clean. This seems like a disaster in the making.
Starfox 2 isnt required for the badge.
Another problem is that if you need the SNES classic for the Starfox complete set badge then you also need the SNES classic for the Final Fantasy set, Earthbound set , Castlevania set, Kirby set etc. You will also need the NES classic for the badge of every series included on it as well.
No you don't need the SNES Classic for anything but Etarfox 2. Only the original release counts, not reissues and remakes. Just like you can't buy SM All Stars and not the NES Marios and still get the Mario icon.
Star Fox 2 was released in North America officially, for the first time, on September 29th, 2017. So you need this physical item to complete a Starfox set. All of the other games require the original release because they first came out in the 1990s.
Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. To me a game coded for and designed for the SNES that is a finished ROM is a SNES game. I'm not even arguing the set piece on this, but you'll never convince me it isn't a SNES game. It just didn't make it onto a cartridge due to bad circumstance, same with the NES Earthbound. Both are legit games for each system, just never made it to a period legit cartridge format is all. At least they got a release eventually. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised as it is a collector site first and collectors will have their own special reasoning on what is real and not to try and lock down a set.
Thank you. And people do play and collect digital games, authorized or bootleg. The Classic Minis are physical not digital distribution however, so they could as physical released systems with bundled games. Even though it is possible to add games to the system, there is no authorized way to do so, so the system remains closed as far as licensing is concerned. If you own the console, unmodded, you own the games contained theirin.
For the purpose of Starfox 2, it is the only means of legitimate access to said game.
Maybe just do a mini console badge after they come out with what ever other mini systems they decide.
Great idea. I am suprised there are no Amiibo badges yet as well.
Sorry meant to quote vmprhntrd's post.
Another problem is that if you need the SNES classic for the Starfox complete set badge then you also need the SNES classic for the Final Fantasy set, Earthbound set , Castlevania set, Kirby set etc. You will also need the NES classic for the badge of every series included on it as well.
No you don't need the SNES Classic for anything but Etarfox 2. Only the original release counts, not reissues and remakes. Just like you can't buy SM All Stars and not the NES Marios and still get the Mario icon.
Star Fox 2 was released in North America officially, for the first time, on September 29th, 2017. So you need this physical item to complete a Starfox set. All of the other games require the original release because they first came out in the 1990s.
I don't know anything about icons but I would assume you will need both the NES Mario 1 2 3 games and SNES allstars for the badge.
Different system thus different game. SNES classic does not equal SNES.
If SNES classic Starfox 2 is required then so is SNES classic Castlevania IV for the Castlevania badge.
Lucky for those who do care it has already been established that the SNES classic is not required and for good reason.
That logic does not male sense to me. Sure its an Snes game but it did not come out in the period and it still is not on a nintendo rom chip in a snes game case. I would be willing to bet alot of games were completed but dropped at the last second we just did not hear about them and they were lost to time. I will agree with your reasoning to a degree if nintendo decided to release it in a Snes standard to the time package. I would even be ok with insert adverts advertising new gen stuff, but ot would have to be a stand alone game programed on time period style pcb and rom chip. Sorry meant to quote vmprhntrd's post.
It is game code on a ROM. Console plugs into the TV and plays code natively formatted for an SNES.
One of them is one piece of software (the ROM) and two separate pieces of hardware, SNES console and cart. The other is two software components (ROM and emulator) and one single hardware component.
But that is semantics. Both run SNES code and play on a TV. You could fabricate a 30-in-1 multicart and plug it into an SNES. Now epoxy it into the cartirdge slot on the system to get the same effect on vintage hardware. It would still be an SNES system would it not? Now fold the PCB flat and glue the cart door shut. Still an SNES. Now shrink it down, add fancy menus, save states, and an HDMI port, and somehow it no longer qualifies?
If SNES classic Starfox 2 is required then so is SNES classic Castlevania IV for the Castlevania badge.
Of course not. You need the original release of Castlevania IV. That's an SNES cart.
You need the original release of Starfox 2? That's a Classic Mini.
That logic does not male sense to me. Sure its an Snes game but it did not come out in the period and it still is not on a nintendo rom chip in a snes game case. I would be willing to bet alot of games were completed but dropped at the last second we just did not hear about them and they were lost to time. I will agree with your reasoning to a degree if nintendo decided to release it in a Snes standard to the time package. I would even be ok with insert adverts advertising new gen stuff, but ot would have to be a stand alone game programed on time period style pcb and rom chip. Sorry meant to quote vmprhntrd's post.
It is game code on a ROM. Console plugs into the TV and plays code natively formatted for an SNES.
One of them is one piece of software (the ROM) and two separate pieces of hardware, SNES console and cart. The other is two software components (ROM and emulator) and one single hardware component.
But that is semantics. Both run SNES code and play on a TV. You could fabricate a 30-in-1 multicart and plug it into an SNES. Now epoxy it into the cartirdge slot on the system to get the same effect on vintage hardware. It would still be an SNES system would it not? Now fold the PCB flat and glue the cart door shut. Still an SNES. Now shrink it down, add fancy menus, save states, and an HDMI port, and somehow it no longer qualifies?
To the last question that is right it no longer qualifies as an snes. Its an emulation machine. The game would need to be on a standard for the time rom chip not an eprom and would need to be sold as a single game for me to consider it a late release.
To the last question that is right it no longer qualifies as an snes. Its an emulation machine. The game would need to be on a standard for the time rom chip not an eprom and would need to be sold as a single game for me to consider it a late release.
Some bitd games were released on eproms fyi. And besides, flash rom, arm cpu, and hdmi are very much "standard for the time" for a 2017 release, just as 5V mask rom were standard from the Atari years up through the 16-bit era.
The packaging and technology may be different, but the end result (playing snes games on a tv) is the same.
To the last question that is right it no longer qualifies as an snes. Its an emulation machine. The game would need to be on a standard for the time rom chip not an eprom and would need to be sold as a single game for me to consider it a late release.
Some bitd games were released on eproms fyi. And besides, flash rom, arm cpu, and hdmi are very much "standard for the time" for a 2017 release, just as 5V mask rom were standard from the Atari years up through the 16-bit era.
The packaging and technology may be different, but the end result (playing snes games on a tv) is the same.
Meh. Your not convincing me sorry.
It's like an unreleased demo from a band. Or a sketchbook from a comic book artist in the back of a tpb. Yes, duh, fans will be interested. But not necessary to say one has every album or every issue.
I consider this "release" of StarFox 2, in a compilation, as supplemental material and a "rarity". Required as "every Starfox thing ever"? OK. But not really akin to any other "full set" ever. As I said earlier, this is a gray area.
But I think you can't define this item as required for a list of items published for a particular format and at the same time doesn't work on that format. The fact of it theoretically working on a software version of that hardware format is interesting but irrelevant.
If SNES classic Starfox 2 is required then so is SNES classic Castlevania IV for the Castlevania badge.
Of course not. You need the original release of Castlevania IV. That's an SNES cart.
You need the original release of Starfox 2? That's a Classic Mini.
Lucky for us badges aren't subjective. So this is an easy argument to settle. Badges are established by those running the show at NA.
You have seen mods posting here that the SNES classic is not needed for the Starfox badge. So it HAS been established and there isn't much more to say.
Unreleased games getting out to the public concerns gamers moreso than collectors, IMO. Speaking as someone more concerned with the former than the latter. (With no interest or concern in "full sets" of anything for their own sake, so defining those as requiring the little Nintendo doesn't affect me at all. I have no horse in this race but this is my opinion as a collector/gamer/fan in general.)
It's like an unreleased demo from a band. Or a sketchbook from a comic book artist in the back of a tpb. Yes, duh, fans will be interested. But not necessary to say one has every album or every issue.
I consider this "release" of StarFox 2, in a compilation, as supplemental material and a "rarity". Required as "every Starfox thing ever"? OK. But not really akin to any other "full set" ever. As I said earlier, this is a gray area.
But I think you can't define this item as required for a list of items published for a particular format and at the same time doesn't work on that format. The fact of it theoretically working on a software version of that hardware format is interesting but irrelevant.
So if an old band release an old demo on CD but it's not on vinyl album like the rest of their back catalog. For the moment humor me for a bit and pretend vinyl isn't making a comeback and has been dead as a format for some time.
So the back in the day releases (12" vinyl LP albums) comprise the full body of music for the band, yet a CD greatest hits disc with an unreleased bonus demo track from back in the day doesn't count because it's a different form factor.
The one new song on the CD has a modern release date but isn't included in the body of the band's work because no 7" vinyl 45 of the new track was pressed, so vinyl collectors can't play it on their turntables?
That's how silly it is with detractors calling the SNES Mini's Starfox 2 not a legit SNES release because the form factor (cart vs mini console or Vinyl vs CD) isn't the same, and requires a different telivision set?
If SNES classic Starfox 2 is required then so is SNES classic Castlevania IV for the Castlevania badge.
Of course not. You need the original release of Castlevania IV. That's an SNES cart.
You need the original release of Starfox 2? That's a Classic Mini.
Lucky for us badges aren't subjective. So this is an easy argument to settle. Badges are established by those running the show at NA.
You have seen mods posting here that the SNES classic is not needed for the Starfox badge. So it HAS been established and there isn't much more to say.
The OP asked for opinions, not facts.
If it were my choice, the Classic Mini would be required for a Starfox set, and Mother 1 and Mother 3 imports (not repros) would be required for an Earthbound set. And you'd also need an FDS Mario 2 for the Mario badge. But remakes and reissues of games would also count as substitutes. You could ie swap 3DS Majora's Mask for N64 version if you wanted, or mix NTSC/PAL/JP games to complete a set. Famicom Panic Restaurant or Bonk's play the same as their American counterparts so feel free to sub them. And yeah, I got the alternate title screen variation of Stadium Events included on the 3-in-1 Mario so gimme mah badge already!
And yes, I'm aware I don't run the place. NintendoAge is collector centric, North American releases only as far as badges go. I get collecting a specific NTSC, PAL, or Japan region set, but series badges should include imports. Makes it more fun that way and yields more collecting/player options.