Label Check: Conker's Bad Fur Day

aguyaguy
in Collector's Corner
I just got this in from eBay and to me the label doesn't seem right. To me, it's too thick, it's not glossy at all but rather matte on heavly pitted paper, and the printing looks a little soft especially the lettering on "PUBLISHED BY". This is the first Conker's I've ever purchased so I'm not sure. I believe the cart is legitimate, but the label is a reprint. Opinions?



Full Res: https://imgur.com/a/MlgLC



eBay Listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Conkers-Bad-Fur-Day-Nintendo-64-N64/322829679996?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2648



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  • dry_bowserdry_bowser
    The front label is definitely not original. The seal of quality doesn't look legit. The back label looks legit and I think I can even see the punch code on it. Can you open it up and check the board? I think it's a legit cartridge with a replacement front label.
  • LaCLaC
    Got to love the description:



    "Game is authentic. I never sell reproductions and don't believe anyone should."



    I wonder how he feels about replacing labels "just for his collection".
  • Meteor_of_WarMeteor_of_War
    The seal of quality itself looks OK to me, but what is suspect is how close to the edge of the label it is.  Same with the ESRB rating on the other side.



    I'd be sure to open the cart and confirm the board is authentic.
  • RockyRocky
    It's probably just a replacement label but definitely make sure to open it up still when you get it. This is what the board should like it: https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1675/25060781294_2aa070ddc1_h.jpg Source: http://s9.zetaboards.com/Nintendo_64_Forever/topic/7464768/1/
  • Bort License PlateBort License Plate
    Here's my label - looks like yours has all the imagery too close to the edges



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  • Brock LandersBrock Landers
    Bottom of the Rare logo is the wrong color
  • MuNKeYMuNKeY
    "Seal Of Quality" in OP vs "Seal of Quality" on Berts
  • BouncekDeLemosBouncekDeLemos
    Compared it to mine. Yeah, it's a repro label. The "k" in "conker's" is cut off on the top, the print isn't as sharp, wrong colors, and the centering's off.



    I really hope the PCB's legit.
  • RedRed
    Looks a lot like this fake label (note how the "k" in "conker's" goes all the way to the edge):



    https://www.ebay.com/itm/272637641711



    Although your seller is not on the purchase history for that particular label, he has bought fake labels from the same seller before:



    http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=272537126743

    http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBidsLogin&item=272626213369
  • MuNKeYMuNKeY
    Originally posted by: Red

    Looks a lot like this fake label (note how the "k" in "conker's" goes all the way to the edge):



    https://www.ebay.com/itm/27263764...



    Although your seller is not on the purchase history for that particular label, he has bought fake labels from the same seller before:



    http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...

    http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...



    OH SNAP! Lol
  • Meteor_of_WarMeteor_of_War
    Looking like its most likely a case of a genuine copy of the game with a replacement label.



    When you contact the seller (you should) my guess is his response will be something along the lines of he doesn't believe a replacement label affects the game's authenticity, so long as the board is still authentic.  I would just do a return for full refund.  The item was not as desribed.
  • BouncekDeLemosBouncekDeLemos
    Originally posted by: MuNKeY

     
    Originally posted by: Red



    Looks a lot like this fake label (note how the "k" in "conker's" goes all the way to the edge):



    https://www.ebay.com/itm/27263764...



    Although your seller is not on the purchase history for that particular label, he has bought fake labels from the same seller before:



    http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...

    http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAP...







    OH SNAP! Lol

    Like MuNKeY pointed out, It's got the capitalized "O" in "of" too.



    For anyone who argues and says this never hurts the hobby... this... this right here is why unmarked repro labels are wrong. Yeah, it's your stuff and you can do what you want to, but it hurts the other guy who whould probably want everything 100% legit.



    I guess we all now have to look out for the big "O" in the seal then.  



     
  • DefaultGenDefaultGen
    This guy boasts about how bad repros are, then buys repro labels to slap on his games. I think he's the scumbag seller of the week.
  • Boosted52405Boosted52405
    Sorry for your deal OP, very shitty deal indeed, hope the guts are at least real.



    However, how in the world do they make such a crappy repro label? I mean to have the O in OF capitalized and the other glaring things - it's like it was photoshopped on a computer instead of an actual scan. Maybe I'm crazy in thinking they'd use an actual scan as a starting point.
  • YelirYelir
    I browsed eBay recently for this title, I've never seen so many beaten up labels (at least on the N64). Crossing my fingers for you that the PCB is legit!
  • CZroeCZroe
    Originally posted by: Boosted52405



    Sorry for your deal OP, very shitty deal indeed, hope the guts are at least real.



    However, how in the world do they make such a crappy repro label? I mean to have the O in OF capitalized and the other glaring things - it's like it was photoshopped on a computer instead of an actual scan. Maybe I'm crazy in thinking they'd use an actual scan as a starting point.

    It would show a generational loss unless they started with higher-quality assets. They might get a higher-res logo from the front of the Player's Guide, add a vector ESRB logo, use Adobe Illustrator to recreate the "Published by" and grab the highest-res RARE logo from Google Image Search.

     
  • Sign Collector GuySign Collector Guy
    I would say the obvious tell for me when comparing in addition to what everyone has says is the spacing of the ESRB to corner. The distance of the seal to the edge and look how the K in Conkers is touching the border on the repro lable. Just all pretty obvious when you compare. Very easily fooled if you don't know what you are looking for. I hate to see this. Have messaged the seller?



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  • dry_bowserdry_bowser
    I don't see how one can claim the item is not as described since the photos in the eBay listing show this same repro label.
  • Bort License PlateBort License Plate
    Originally posted by: dry_bowser



    I don't see how one can claim the item is not as described since the photos in the eBay listing show this same repro label.





    Because the description says it's not a reproduction
  • MrWunderfulMrWunderful
    Dont forget to NOT say anything about opening it.
  • TulpaTulpa
    Originally posted by: Bert

     
    Originally posted by: dry_bowser



    I don't see how one can claim the item is not as described since the photos in the eBay listing show this same repro label.





    Because the description says it's not a reproduction

    eBay also has policies prohibiting the sale of counterfeit items. Even though it's ignored most of the time, you can use it as a recourse.



     
  • dry_bowserdry_bowser
    But if the board is original it's not really a counterfeit. Will eBay side with the buyer over a sticker? Sure it's a big deal for us collectors but will eBay see it as a counterfeit?



    I'm all for the buyer getting a refund but I'm just wondering if eBay will side with the buyer in this case.
  • CZroeCZroe
    Originally posted by: dry_bowser



    But if the board is original it's not really a counterfeit. Will eBay side with the buyer over a sticker? Sure it's a big deal for us collectors but will eBay see it as a counterfeit?



    I'm all for the buyer getting a refund but I'm just wondering if eBay will side with the buyer in this case.

    It's a counterfeit label if it wasn't divulged before the sale. The label condition affects the sale price. The label can be counterfeited independently of the game itself.



    That's [not] hard for eBay to understand.

     
  • TulpaTulpa
    I know they reversed it for one guy here. Nicotine, I think got a Dino Peak that had a fake label and did get his money back.
  • CZroeCZroe
    Originally posted by: Tulpa



    I know they reversed it for one guy here. Nicotine, I think got a Dino Peak that had a fake label and did get his money back.



    Yeah. I meant to say that it's NOT hard for eBay to understand. Oops!

     
  • BrachabreBrachabre
    That Rare logo is terrible looking.
  • aguyaguy
    I contacted the seller and he claimed ignorance and said no returns. So I opened a case. We'll see what happens.
  • VGS_captmorgandrinkerVGS_captmorgandrinker
    Originally posted by: aguy



    I contacted the seller and he claimed ignorance and said no returns. So I opened a case. We'll see what happens.



    If I accidentally sold something with a repro label, I would apologize and gladly accept the return.



    Make sure you use "counterfeit" as many times as possible in your case.   Don't open the game; mention that you can tell the game is fake from the counterfeit label on it.



     
  • aguyaguy
    I knew the outside was fake so I wasn't going to bother opening it up and possibly screwing myself. I didn't say counterfeit, but instead "authentic" and "reproduction".
  • VGS_captmorgandrinkerVGS_captmorgandrinker
    Originally posted by: aguy



    I knew the outside was fake so I wasn't going to bother opening it up and possibly screwing myself. I didn't say counterfeit, but instead "authentic" and "reproduction".

    Throw "counterfeit" in your next reply.   That really trips the ebay radar.



     
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