Shill bidding, yes, I can see it happen. "All the time", that I do not know. Do you have evidence other than heresay to actually support this claim? I would be interested in seeing it. I also would imagine it's difficult to know/prove unless you have all the details such as transaction cancellations, etc.
By the way, here are the prices for all sold carts according to an ebay search:
$135
259.95
256
269.08
249.99
202.5
219.99
260
249.99
226
250
270
453.53
389.95
475
475
220
178.5
Let's imagine some of those are shill bids, but I find it extremely improbable that most of them are. Are people implying that those with zero feedback are shill bidders? Perhaps, but again, without evidence it's heresay. Also, here is from the auction that went for $226. Second-highest bidder has a feedback of 253.
MrWunderful, your post "in 6 months to a year no one will give a shit." was dated September 1st, so March 1st would be 6 months. It's almost December, and it looks like the item is still hot. If you're talking about 20 years from now that is a different matter, but you specifically said 6-12 months. I think in a year these will sell for around the same value, perhaps more, so 2-3 times original cost. Myself, I thought about it but ended up not purchasing a copy. Maybe it is just a quick "money grab" on Capcom's part, but so what? I personally think it's still quite cool and hope to see more officially liscensed reproductions.
Look man, I don’t know why you are singling my posts out trying to support your idea that this is some amazing item that is going to be “hot”.
Maybe it will be the new stadium events. I don’t really care. If capcom and whoever else can convince people to spend 100$ on a 5$ game because it has a cool box, good for them. If those people want to in turn flip them on eBay to nerds for 3x the amount, then awesome. I still think its stupid and wont be even remotely desirable in the future.
If you think that because 15 of these sold at a premium 3 months after release makes this some incredibly desireable item, then feel free to either pay the markup or hoard and scalp them.
I still don’t think they will be remotely valuable in the future. But hey, thats like my opinion man.
Maybe I’m wrong. If I am then I personally lost a whole bunch of respect for collectors, but I dont care what people do with their money.
Nothing personal, I think the whole "collector's market" is funky to be honest. My thinking is that every game I purchase is meant to be played. If I purchased the SNES SF II for $100, I would have opened it to play it Of course, this was before I even knew the Analogue SNES was coming out, so it was a bit of a moot point for me. Regardless, I think the success of this item does have important consequences. If Capcom can make half a million dollars so quickly, in what a matter of a day or so, simply by selling a limited reproduction, what does this mean for the market and the future? If I was Capcom I would be thinking "what other reproductions should we make now?" Mega Man 7? Mega Man X3? Will we see a Donkey Kong Trilogy on cart? (I know Capcom did not produce DK) And of course anyone that is not interested is more then welcome to not purchase any of these. I did personally think $100 was on the high end, and in the end I did not purchase said cart, but I still thought it was cool and again hope to see some rare and ideally never-before-released SNES games make it to light.
I'm still dont see even buying this for $50. I'm glad Jaleco went the opposite way and released better priced repros and they had multiple games. The way Capcom has been devaluing their IPs I wouldn't shocked to see their titles on tons of consoles and repros moving forward.
For $50 I might have purchased it. $100... just too high for a game that was fun when playing against friends back in the day, but not so great by yourself. Again, the fact that they sold what, 5000 copies in around 24 hours for $100 each shows that there is demand. I have to agree, better prices and multiple games, maybe a Mega Man compilation? That, I would certainly support.
Nothing personal, I think the whole "collector's market" is funky to be honest. My thinking is that every game I purchase is meant to be played. If I purchased the SNES SF II for $100, I would have opened it to play it Of course, this was before I even knew the Analogue SNES was coming out, so it was a bit of a moot point for me. Regardless, I think the success of this item does have important consequences. If Capcom can make half a million dollars so quickly, in what a matter of a day or so, simply by selling a limited reproduction, what does this mean for the market and the future? If I was Capcom I would be thinking "what other reproductions should we make now?" Mega Man 7? Mega Man X3? Will we see a Donkey Kong Trilogy on cart? (I know Capcom did not produce DK) And of course anyone that is not interested is more then welcome to not purchase any of these. I did personally think $100 was on the high end, and in the end I did not purchase said cart, but I still thought it was cool and again hope to see some rare and ideally never-before-released SNES games make it to light.
"collectors market" is not the same as "Playing". It should have no bearing on the other. It might be YOUR perogative to "Open it and play it" but I would wager less than 5% of these will be played.
Capcom did not make half a million dollars on this either. They were produced by Iam8bit or whatever, and probably got a small Licensing fee from each (but that is irelevant).
Capcom should be wise not to flood the market with these, like LRG. After the 10 or so good games come out, people will lose interest quick.
But like I said, if capcom can siphon money out of people by making cool boxes, then go for it. A collection of these will look cool on a shelf. I personally will stick with my collection of real carts.
Originally posted by: avatar!
Originally posted by: AtariJay
I'm still dont see even buying this for $50. I'm glad Jaleco went the opposite way and released better priced repros and they had multiple games. The way Capcom has been devaluing their IPs I wouldn't shocked to see their titles on tons of consoles and repros moving forward.
For $50 I might have purchased it. $100... just too high for a game that was fun when playing against friends back in the day, but not so great by yourself. Again, the fact that they sold what, 5000 copies in around 24 hours for $100 each shows that there is demand. I have to agree, better prices and multiple games, maybe a Mega Man compilation? That, I would certainly support.
You are assuming demand is for people who want to collect and play this, and while that might be a majority, a close amount is from speculators and scalpers who are only going to try and resell.
"collectors market" is not the same as "Playing". It should have no bearing on the other. It might be YOUR perogative to "Open it and play it" but I would wager less than 5% of these will be played.
Capcom did not make half a million dollars on this either. They were produced by Iam8bit or whatever, and probably got a small Licensing fee from each (but that is irelevant).
Capcom should be wise not to flood the market with these, like LRG. After the 10 or so good games come out, people will lose interest quick.
But like I said, if capcom can siphon money out of people by making cool boxes, then go for it. A collection of these will look cool on a shelf. I personally will stick with my collection of real carts.
You are assuming demand is for people who want to collect and play this, and while that might be a majority, a close amount is from speculators and scalpers who are only going to try and resell.
A reproduction is still a "real" cart in my opinion if it plays on the original system. Is it as "rare" or collectible as the original? Well, Capcom sold millions of original SF II for the SNES, but only 5000 Anniversary carts were made. So maybe the Anniversary carts are not vintage, but they are a heck of a lot more rare! I think that's a large part of the appeal, and nostalgia.
From Capcom's perspective, and those that sell the game, they don't care if you're a player or collector or scalper. True, Capcom didn't make half a million, probably not even close, but it is true that in about 24 hours that game generated half a million dollars in sales. As for LRG, I don't know... you may have lost interest, but many people are still interested. LRG collector's editions sell out without minutes, their regular games not so much these days, but that's a marketing decision LRG has made. Seems to be working for them, even though I personally am getting a tired of different covers, collector's editions, collector's editions with different frisbee colors, blah blah. All that said, I will still purchase a LRG game if it's a title I really want. Again, I'm coming from a play perspective rather than just a collector's, and since LRG supposedly releases games that typically are digital-only, it's different than reproduction carts.
Anyway, it looks like you're totally not interested in these reproduction carts, and again, that's your perogative. Maybe in 20 years reproduction carts will be worth nothing, maybe thousands. Don't know, guess I'll find out But, as someone that enjoys playing a good game whether it's vintage or not, I hope to see more reproductions to plug into my Super Nt!
Maybe in 20 years reproduction carts will be worth nothing, maybe thousands. Don't know, guess I'll find out But, as someone that enjoys playing a good game whether it's vintage or not, I hope to see more reproductions to plug into my Super Nt!
Hard to argue with that logic right there. I have 50+ unlicensed reproductions from the late 80s for sale! Time to retire.
This is 2017. Reproduction carts can be made in 1 offs for $25 or so. Boxes and manuals in print runs as low as 100 can be made around $10-$15 a piece. Due to simple economies of scale, if you do a production run as large as 5000+, I'm sure costs are likely half of that,at most... maybe even 1/3rd of that. Not to mention $20 in shipping when you can probably ship to Zimbabwe for that price.
It's a forum of opinions and if you can't tolerate opinions than move along. It sold out because of mass marketing hype, not because of quality. And don't worry, there will be ample opportunities to buy them on eBay as people have buyer's remorse after they see second hand resale values.
There's a big difference between stating opinions and just being an ass about things. I actually agree with the majority that this is overpriced, nonetheless people are acting as if this is the devil incarnate. As to why it sold out, seems to me you are just guessing. Apparently one copy already sold on ebay for over twice the original cost, so we'll see if you're right about "second hand resale values"
2 selling over asking before they are released means nothing.
I agree with Jone, there will be virtually zero secondary market and if there is it will be at minimal mark-up.
The Box will look nice on a shelf for a street fighter collector so it has that going for it. Anyone buying to flip better do it while the iron is hot, in 6 months to a year no one will give a shit.
They have been selling consistently for over $250. Example: opening bid $0.99, sold on Nov 19th for $256 + shipping
We still have what, 4 months to see if your prediction that "no on ewill give a shit" is true, but my money is that you're wrong. People do "give a shit" when it comes to classic games. This is something that fans and Nintendo need to realize! I'm hoping Capcom realizes this and we'll see some great SNES carts released!
Ugh... really? Where to begin...
For one, it's not even out yet! "Shipping begins early December". You're either trolling, or if legitimately arguing, then his 6 month comment should be taken literally from release. You haven't even begun to see the waves that will flood eBay when they're in hand. The $400+ sales you quoted later in the thread are about as relevant as $300+ SNES Classic sales. Those were panic buyers who got taken to the cleaners. There will likely be more panic buying when the first green carts hit the market too (1000 of the 5500), but those will level off at probably 1.5-2x the red price.
Ebay BIN is the best indicator of current value, which seems to imply $250 range. That'll quickly drop on red carts when the waves come though. As for the math of it all:
$80 profit isn't bad on $100 investment, but the iron is as hot as it'll ever be most likely. Supply has no where to go but up from here and demand is fixed. Do the math and figure out where the price will go.
You may very well be correct! If so, GOOD! Maybe there will be floods on ebay and I can pick up a copy on the cheap
Would make me happy! Nonetheless, as I've said all along, there is demand, and I hope Capcom and other companies cash in on this and release more carts.
ALL that said, back and forth whatever, I never understood why some of you have had so much hate for this.
You may very well be correct! If so, GOOD! Maybe there will be floods on ebay and I can pick up a copy on the cheap
Would make me happy! Nonetheless, as I've said all along, there is demand, and I hope Capcom and other companies cash in on this and release more carts.
ALL that said, back and forth whatever, I never understood why some of you have had so much hate for this.
You necro-quoted me
I really don't even remotely care, if people want to buy it and they will enjoy it on their shelf, then thats all that matters. Jone and I were just talking about speculation and the secondary market.
That being said, I doubt they will drop below MSRP so you wont get it "cheap" but plan on paying above a little above retail.
I'm sure some of them are legit because there are a lot of really stupid people in this hobby, but I still find it hard to believe that someone spent nearly $500 on a fucking red Street Fighter II repro.
Yep. Now if it was the fucking glow in the dark Blanka one....
If people don't want the cart for their collection, so be it, but I'm tired of so much of the bullshit concerning this release.
The game was licensed by Capcom, what else is there to say? Whether it is licensed by Nintendo or not is irreleveant at this point - as proven with Star Fox 2 with the SNES classic, even if the game were unique and available, collectors would just consider it as aftermarket. With this release, people view it as a cash grab and just see it as an unlicensed repro. Well, how to say it: f*** you all.
It's for reasons such as above why collecting sucks. Yes, scalpers suck the big one, but folks that try to justify excluding releases as part of a collection suck an even bigger nut, imo. There are plenty of game releases that I wouldn't want to include in a set, or acknowledge as worthy of collecting, but I still do so, because I try my hardest to be objective about it. But the mentality here, sadly enough, is that games are only worthy of belonging to a set or being collected if they fit some ever-changing criteria, the best interest of the majority. To me, it is quite a daft way to decide how to collect something or not, being much more logical in my way of thinking.
I don't care about original price, I don't care about scalper prices, I don't care about the price ten years from now. With that said, what I see is that Capcom made a limited release of a game, to celebrate a 30 year anniversary, and it is something that should appear on collector lists, irregardless of how people feel about the release itself (good or poor quality, cash grab or not, etc). Period.
If people don't want the cart for their collection, so be it, but I'm tired of so much of the bullshit concerning this release.
The game was licensed by Capcom, what else is there to say? Whether it is licensed by Nintendo or not is irreleveant at this point - as proven with Star Fox 2 with the SNES classic, even if the game were unique and available, collectors would just consider it as aftermarket. With this release, people view it as a cash grab and just see it as an unlicensed repro. Well, how to say it: f*** you all.
It's for reasons such as above why collecting sucks. Yes, scalpers suck the big one, but folks that try to justify excluding releases as part of a collection suck an even bigger nut, imo. There are plenty of game releases that I wouldn't want to include in a set, or acknowledge as worthy of collecting, but I still do so, because I try my hardest to be objective about it. But the mentality here, sadly enough, is that games are only worthy of belonging to a set or being collected if they fit some ever-changing criteria, the best interest of the majority. To me, it is quite a daft way to decide how to collect something or not, being much more logical in my way of thinking.
I don't care about original price, I don't care about scalper prices, I don't care about the price ten years from now. With that said, what I see is that Capcom made a limited release of a game, to celebrate a 30 year anniversary, and it is something that should appear on collector lists, irregardless of how people feel about the release itself (good or poor quality, cash grab or not, etc). Period.
People have valid reasons of why it should be excluded from collectors lists. Not saying they are correct or not, but people are not just excluding it for the fun of it. Just because you happen to disagree with how they see it, doesn't make your opinion any more correct, or give you any reason to so say "fuck you" to people who are just doing the same as you, voicing their opinion.
But when it comes to lists and what should be included/not you have made it abundantly clear in many threads that your opinion is the end all be all, and anyone is else is just stupid. Pretty sure you have even been banned fairly recently for pushing your arguments a bit too far in the past . So.......yeah. Maybe take a chill pill, and learn to accept other people have opinions, just like you do, and move on instead of investing yourself this intensely how others feel and telling them "fuck you" from your high horse.
There are much better ways to get your point across, and actually have people listen to you.
If people don't want the cart for their collection, so be it, but I'm tired of so much of the bullshit concerning this release.
The game was licensed by Capcom, what else is there to say? Whether it is licensed by Nintendo or not is irreleveant at this point - as proven with Star Fox 2 with the SNES classic, even if the game were unique and available, collectors would just consider it as aftermarket. With this release, people view it as a cash grab and just see it as an unlicensed repro. Well, how to say it: f*** you all.
It's for reasons such as above why collecting sucks. Yes, scalpers suck the big one, but folks that try to justify excluding releases as part of a collection suck an even bigger nut, imo. There are plenty of game releases that I wouldn't want to include in a set, or acknowledge as worthy of collecting, but I still do so, because I try my hardest to be objective about it. But the mentality here, sadly enough, is that games are only worthy of belonging to a set or being collected if they fit some ever-changing criteria, the best interest of the majority. To me, it is quite a daft way to decide how to collect something or not, being much more logical in my way of thinking.
I don't care about original price, I don't care about scalper prices, I don't care about the price ten years from now. With that said, what I see is that Capcom made a limited release of a game, to celebrate a 30 year anniversary, and it is something that should appear on collector lists, irregardless of how people feel about the release itself (good or poor quality, cash grab or not, etc). Period.
People have valid reasons of why it should be excluded from collectors lists. Not saying they are correct or not, but people are not just excluding it for the fun of it. Just because you happen disagree with how they see it, doesn't make your opinion any more correct, or give you any reason to so say "fuck you" to people who are just doing the same as you, voicing their opinion.
But when it comes to lists and what should be included/not you have made it abundantly clear in many threads that your opinion is the end all be all, and anyone is else is just stupid. Pretty sure you have even been banned for pushing your arguments a bit too far in the past . So.......yeah. Maybe take a chill pill, and learn to accept other people have opinions, just like you do, and move on instead of investing yourself this intensely how others feel and telling them "fuck you".
Me thinks you should investigate further before making claims about which you know nothing - the reason I had been given a two-week ban, a year or two ago, was due to bring up in a thread that a guy's "translation" repro of a NES game was basically the same as one of the local editors here in Taiwan; the game the guy had "translated" had maybe one or two lines of text, as it was a platformer IIRC and had little Japanese text. I am sorry, but if someone wants to promote his or her wares in a way that is misleading, as to the work he or she did, then I am going to call it out every time. Could I have been more tactiful in my approach, sure, but I also believe in an approach where people (such as myself) should be able to express concerns, should they feel others are being diengenous in what is being said. Perhaps you feel differently, I haven't a clue on that.
Let me ask you this: Why shouldn't this game be included on lists? I am not saying that it should be counted as a necessary title for completion of a set, but I do feel it belongs on any list of SNES games circulating about. Do you object? If so, why? Because it is a cash grab? Because the parts are shoddy, and it is a fire hazard? Such way of thinking is rediculous, that is my point.
The game is not a pirate, it is not a bootleg. It was produced by the owners of said IP, and it isn't even an obscure IP. So how to say that it doesn't belong on a collector list, objectively? This isn't being a smartass, it is in ernst.
Therefore I conclude my case. There is not justification to exclude this one. Even if considered a variant, variants are still usually mentioned on collector lists and worth colleting by some.
Me thinks you should investigate further before making claims about which you know nothing - the reason I had been given a two-week ban, a year or two ago, was due to bring up in a thread that a guy's "translation" repro of a NES game was basically the same as one of the local editors here in Taiwan; the game the guy had "translated" had maybe one or two lines of text, as it was a platformer IIRC and had little Japanese text. I am sorry, but if someone wants to promote his or her wares in a way that is misleading, as to the work he or she did, then I am going to call it out every time. Could I have been more tactiful in my approach, sure, but I also believe in an approach where people (such as myself) should be able to express concerns, should they feel others are being diengenous in what is being said. Perhaps you feel differently, I haven't a clue on that.
Let me ask you this: Why shouldn't this game be included on lists? I am not saying that it should be counted as a necessary title for completion of a set, but I do feel it belongs on any list of SNES games circulating about. Do you object? If so, why? Because it is a cash grab? Because the parts are shoddy, and it is a fire hazard? Such way of thinking is rediculous, that is my point.
The game is not a pirate, it is not a bootleg. It was produced by the owners of said IP, and it isn't even an obscure IP. So how to say that it doesn't belong on a collector list, objectively? This isn't being a smartass, it is in ernst.
Therefore I conclude my case. There is not justification to exclude this one. Even if considered a variant, variants are still usually mentioned on collector lists and worth colleting by some.
Okay whether you were banned or not doesn't even matter. My point stlll stands the same, you can get your points across without saying "fuck you" to people for their opinions that you disagree with. And i know from seeing the threads with my own eyes, that you get way too aggressive than needed when discussing things. I am not going to search through all your posts for examples, but i think more than a few people here would agree with me on how you carry yourself around here, and that you would be heard more if you weren't so aggressive.
I have no interest in arguing with you, you believe whatever you want to believe. My post was aimed at your terrible attitude and how you are approaching getting your point across. Not whether or not the game should be included or not on a list. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and shouldn't be told "fuck you" because they see it differently. Regardless of what reasons they have.
You may very well be right, i am not debating that, but stop acting like these people insulted your mother.....
The only "List" most people are talking about is "complete licensed SNES set"
And, Because it wasn't released during the consoles lifetime, it is not part of said set.
/argument
It can be in whatever additional lists people want.
Lists such as:
"Other games produced"
"Snes cash grabs"
"Capcom's failing business model game set"
"Nice box ok game repro"
Exactly. On top of being overly angry. He is making up arguments that i haven't even seen on here to make his point. People not including it because it is a fire hazard?? Even if that was an opinion on here, it would be in the minority. Like you said, 9/10 people probably are just saying it doesn't belong in a licensed set, which i happen to agree with. But classify it however you want, it doesn't bother me and i am not going to go telling people fuck you because i disagree.
Me thinks you should investigate further before making claims about which you know nothing - the reason I had been given a two-week ban, a year or two ago, was due to bring up in a thread that a guy's "translation" repro of a NES game was basically the same as one of the local editors here in Taiwan; the game the guy had "translated" had maybe one or two lines of text, as it was a platformer IIRC and had little Japanese text. I am sorry, but if someone wants to promote his or her wares in a way that is misleading, as to the work he or she did, then I am going to call it out every time. Could I have been more tactiful in my approach, sure, but I also believe in an approach where people (such as myself) should be able to express concerns, should they feel others are being diengenous in what is being said. Perhaps you feel differently, I haven't a clue on that.
Let me ask you this: Why shouldn't this game be included on lists? I am not saying that it should be counted as a necessary title for completion of a set, but I do feel it belongs on any list of SNES games circulating about. Do you object? If so, why? Because it is a cash grab? Because the parts are shoddy, and it is a fire hazard? Such way of thinking is rediculous, that is my point.
The game is not a pirate, it is not a bootleg. It was produced by the owners of said IP, and it isn't even an obscure IP. So how to say that it doesn't belong on a collector list, objectively? This isn't being a smartass, it is in ernst.
Therefore I conclude my case. There is not justification to exclude this one. Even if considered a variant, variants are still usually mentioned on collector lists and worth colleting by some.
Okay whether you were banned or not doesn't even matter. My point stlll stands the same, you can get your points across without saying "fuck you" to people for their opinions that you disagree with. And i know from seeing the threads with my own eyes, that you get way too aggressive than needed when discussing things. I am not going to search through all your posts for examples, but i think more than a few people here would agree with me on how you carry yourself around here, and that you would be heard more if you weren't so aggressive.
I have no interest in arguing with you, you believe whatever you want to believe. My post was aimed at your terrible attitude and how you are approaching getting your point across. Not whether or not the game should be included or not on a list. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and shouldn't be told "fuck you" because they see it differently. Regardless of what reasons they have.
You may very well be right, i am not debating that, but stop acting like these people insulted your mother.....
You know what, I am not one for censorship, nor am I one to get offended at every little thing. Case in point:
Earlier this week, I offered to drive a colleague / good friend of mine to the immigration office, since he doesn't have a set of wheels (yet), and for him to cycle would have caused him to be late to work, aside from having to skip lunch. While outside of the building, on our way back to work, a local couple (man and wife, maybe 50 years old) asked us where we were from, in local tongue. My friend doesn't speak that, so I answered, from America (me) and England (him). The man (who was doing the talking) then commented about the age-old stereotype of Americans being fatter, as my colleague and I would fit into this stereotype, me fatter compared to him. I laughed, then told my colleague afterwards what had been discussed, we both had a good laugh, was I offended, not really, why should I be? Then we went and got lunch, and carried on with our lives.
Likewise, language is language, words are words. I have an interest in languages, in words, in word etymology. Aside from music, games, and gaming history, this is my interest. So I don't believe in censorship, but at the same token, I don't feel we should let words hold so much power, better to view them as what they are, utterances from our vocal chords. To make a point, I'm seriously half afraid for my gf to come home with me for Christmas this year, her English is terrible, and she often interjects with Chinese "that" using Taiwanese dialect, look it up and you might see what problems to be had, I certainly won't type it here though...
I feel that attitude is terrible that people do not look at things objectively, rather subjectively to aid their own agendas. If one does not want to spend $100+ for a cash grab, so be it, but stop making up bogus reasons to exclude it from collector lists. As I said before, let's hear some reasons why it should be excluded from lists, even as a variant.
The only "List" most people are talking about is "complete licensed SNES set"
And, Because it wasn't released during the consoles lifetime, it is not part of said set.
/argument
It can be in whatever additional lists people want.
Lists such as:
"Other games produced"
"Snes cash grabs"
"Capcom's failing business model game set"
"Nice box ok game repro"
Lol lol lol. The list "most" people are talking about? Seriously? Did you poll the people here? I don't think you have the authority to decide on this.
Whether the game was or was not released during the "so-called" life span of the machine should objectively have no decision on whether the game belongs in a set or not. If Nintendo were to start producing original NES games, en masse, tomorrow, and release a statement that the NES were still officially under their support, would those games be counted or not? It would create a shit storm, just as such cash grabs as this cart by Capcom did, just as the golden Duck Tales cart did, just as the Sachen released (i.e. Huge Insect) did, etc etc etc.
It isn't just about licensed or unlicensed, about until 1992...1993...1994...1995? or not, rather it is about accurately documenting game cartridges for what they are. If you choose not to collect it and feel it is a cash grab, so be it, but what harm is there in including it on a list of game carts known to have been mass produced for the SNES? Well we know the answer to that one as well, but let's just leave it unsaid.
edit: And it's not about me having a bad attitude or something like that. Ask any of the folks on here that have met me in real life, and they can tell you how I act. Or ask any of the folks here (or on Famicom World) with whom I've sold / traded goods too, I am always more than generous, often going over and beyond. At the same time, I feel things deserved to be documented, whether we personally support / like them or not. That includes cash grabs, and low quality products. Who honestly cares if it means you might not have a "complete" set by some random dude's standards?
It belongs on the same lists that have games like the Piko Interactive Super 3D Noahs Ark cart or those Retro-bit multicarts, which is to say nothing but the most thorough documentation of all releases on a console. It's possible to have a licensed (by the IP holder) rerelease of an old game that hold little interest to collectors.
I'd personally put this below Player's Choice variants which are licensed by Nintendo and homebrew which are brand new games. Sure, it's a weird release worth documenting and not pretending never existed but I think there's nothing wrong with most people dismissing it as a pointless noncollectible firmly in the "other SNES releases" footnote category. If these games had any software changes whatsoever they'd be way more interesting than a simple rerelease.
The only "List" most people are talking about is "complete licensed SNES set"
And, Because it wasn't released during the consoles lifetime, it is not part of said set.
/argument
It can be in whatever additional lists people want.
Lists such as:
"Other games produced"
"Snes cash grabs"
"Capcom's failing business model game set"
"Nice box ok game repro"
Lol lol lol. The list "most" people are talking about? Seriously? Did you poll the people here? I don't think you have the authority to decide on this.
Whether the game was or was not released during the "so-called" life span of the machine should objectively have no decision on whether the game belongs in a set or not. If Nintendo were to start producing original NES games, en masse, tomorrow, and release a statement that the NES were still officially under their support, would those games be counted or not? It would create a shit storm, just as such cash grabs as this cart by Capcom did, just as the golden Duck Tales cart did, just as the Sachen released (i.e. Huge Insect) did, etc etc etc.
It isn't just about licensed or unlicensed, about until 1992...1993...1994...1995? or not, rather it is about accurately documenting game cartridges for what they are. If you choose not to collect it and feel it is a cash grab, so be it, but what harm is there in including it on a list of game carts known to have been mass produced for the SNES? Well we know the answer to that one as well, but let's just leave it unsaid.
edit: And it's not about me having a bad attitude or something like that. Ask any of the folks on here that have met me in real life, and they can tell you how I act. Or ask any of the folks here (or on Famicom World) with whom I've sold / traded goods too, I am always more than generous, often going over and beyond. At the same time, I feel things deserved to be documented, whether we personally support / like them or not. That includes cash grabs, and low quality products. Who honestly cares if it means you might not have a "complete" set by some random dude's standards?
Cool story bro.
I don’t need to poll anyone, It really doesn’t matter. Some guy on the internet can post a list on some blog saying that this IS included. You keep preaching about whatever it is you are constantly arguing about, and the rest of us will go back to recognizing the complete licensed sets, that existed before this came out.
You know what, I am not one for censorship, nor am I one to get offended at every little thing. Case in point:
Earlier this week, I offered to drive a colleague / good friend of mine to the immigration office, since he doesn't have a set of wheels (yet), and for him to cycle would have caused him to be late to work, aside from having to skip lunch. While outside of the building, on our way back to work, a local couple (man and wife, maybe 50 years old) asked us where we were from, in local tongue. My friend doesn't speak that, so I answered, from America (me) and England (him). The man (who was doing the talking) then commented about the age-old stereotype of Americans being fatter, as my colleague and I would fit into this stereotype, me fatter compared to him. I laughed, then told my colleague afterwards what had been discussed, we both had a good laugh, was I offended, not really, why should I be? Then we went and got lunch, and carried on with our lives.
Likewise, language is language, words are words. I have an interest in languages, in words, in word etymology. Aside from music, games, and gaming history, this is my interest. So I don't believe in censorship, but at the same token, I don't feel we should let words hold so much power, better to view them as what they are, utterances from our vocal chords. To make a point, I'm seriously half afraid for my gf to come home with me for Christmas this year, her English is terrible, and she often interjects with Chinese "that" using Taiwanese dialect, look it up and you might see what problems to be had, I certainly won't type it here though...
I feel that attitude is terrible that people do not look at things objectively, rather subjectively to aid their own agendas. If one does not want to spend $100+ for a cash grab, so be it, but stop making up bogus reasons to exclude it from collector lists. As I said before, let's hear some reasons why it should be excluded from lists, even as a variant.
Is Capcom aware this game exists on the Snes classic? Where for less than $100 you can play a better version of SF, along with other classic Snes games and on their hd televisions.
Mine also shipped. When I get it, I'll open it and post some photos here. I am obviously hoping for the green cart but I'll be happy with the red one too. I hope that I can post the photos of the item here without people getting too Scrooge-y about it.
Comments
Shill bidding, yes, I can see it happen. "All the time", that I do not know. Do you have evidence other than heresay to actually support this claim? I would be interested in seeing it. I also would imagine it's difficult to know/prove unless you have all the details such as transaction cancellations, etc.
By the way, here are the prices for all sold carts according to an ebay search:
$135
259.95
256
269.08
249.99
202.5
219.99
260
249.99
226
250
270
453.53
389.95
475
475
220
178.5
Let's imagine some of those are shill bids, but I find it extremely improbable that most of them are. Are people implying that those with zero feedback are shill bidders? Perhaps, but again, without evidence it's heresay. Also, here is from the auction that went for $226. Second-highest bidder has a feedback of 253.
MrWunderful, your post "in 6 months to a year no one will give a shit." was dated September 1st, so March 1st would be 6 months. It's almost December, and it looks like the item is still hot. If you're talking about 20 years from now that is a different matter, but you specifically said 6-12 months. I think in a year these will sell for around the same value, perhaps more, so 2-3 times original cost. Myself, I thought about it but ended up not purchasing a copy. Maybe it is just a quick "money grab" on Capcom's part, but so what? I personally think it's still quite cool and hope to see more officially liscensed reproductions.
Look man, I don’t know why you are singling my posts out trying to support your idea that this is some amazing item that is going to be “hot”.
Maybe it will be the new stadium events. I don’t really care. If capcom and whoever else can convince people to spend 100$ on a 5$ game because it has a cool box, good for them. If those people want to in turn flip them on eBay to nerds for 3x the amount, then awesome. I still think its stupid and wont be even remotely desirable in the future.
If you think that because 15 of these sold at a premium 3 months after release makes this some incredibly desireable item, then feel free to either pay the markup or hoard and scalp them.
I still don’t think they will be remotely valuable in the future. But hey, thats like my opinion man.
Maybe I’m wrong. If I am then I personally lost a whole bunch of respect for collectors, but I dont care what people do with their money.
I'm still dont see even buying this for $50. I'm glad Jaleco went the opposite way and released better priced repros and they had multiple games. The way Capcom has been devaluing their IPs I wouldn't shocked to see their titles on tons of consoles and repros moving forward.
For $50 I might have purchased it. $100... just too high for a game that was fun when playing against friends back in the day, but not so great by yourself. Again, the fact that they sold what, 5000 copies in around 24 hours for $100 each shows that there is demand. I have to agree, better prices and multiple games, maybe a Mega Man compilation? That, I would certainly support.
Nothing personal, I think the whole "collector's market" is funky to be honest. My thinking is that every game I purchase is meant to be played. If I purchased the SNES SF II for $100, I would have opened it to play it Of course, this was before I even knew the Analogue SNES was coming out, so it was a bit of a moot point for me. Regardless, I think the success of this item does have important consequences. If Capcom can make half a million dollars so quickly, in what a matter of a day or so, simply by selling a limited reproduction, what does this mean for the market and the future? If I was Capcom I would be thinking "what other reproductions should we make now?" Mega Man 7? Mega Man X3? Will we see a Donkey Kong Trilogy on cart? (I know Capcom did not produce DK) And of course anyone that is not interested is more then welcome to not purchase any of these. I did personally think $100 was on the high end, and in the end I did not purchase said cart, but I still thought it was cool and again hope to see some rare and ideally never-before-released SNES games make it to light.
"collectors market" is not the same as "Playing". It should have no bearing on the other. It might be YOUR perogative to "Open it and play it" but I would wager less than 5% of these will be played.
Capcom did not make half a million dollars on this either. They were produced by Iam8bit or whatever, and probably got a small Licensing fee from each (but that is irelevant).
Capcom should be wise not to flood the market with these, like LRG. After the 10 or so good games come out, people will lose interest quick.
But like I said, if capcom can siphon money out of people by making cool boxes, then go for it. A collection of these will look cool on a shelf. I personally will stick with my collection of real carts.
I'm still dont see even buying this for $50. I'm glad Jaleco went the opposite way and released better priced repros and they had multiple games. The way Capcom has been devaluing their IPs I wouldn't shocked to see their titles on tons of consoles and repros moving forward.
For $50 I might have purchased it. $100... just too high for a game that was fun when playing against friends back in the day, but not so great by yourself. Again, the fact that they sold what, 5000 copies in around 24 hours for $100 each shows that there is demand. I have to agree, better prices and multiple games, maybe a Mega Man compilation? That, I would certainly support.
You are assuming demand is for people who want to collect and play this, and while that might be a majority, a close amount is from speculators and scalpers who are only going to try and resell.
Maybe I’m wrong. If I am then I personally lost a whole bunch of respect for collectors, but I dont care what people do with their money.
Wait, you still had respect for collectors?
"collectors market" is not the same as "Playing". It should have no bearing on the other. It might be YOUR perogative to "Open it and play it" but I would wager less than 5% of these will be played.
Capcom did not make half a million dollars on this either. They were produced by Iam8bit or whatever, and probably got a small Licensing fee from each (but that is irelevant).
Capcom should be wise not to flood the market with these, like LRG. After the 10 or so good games come out, people will lose interest quick.
But like I said, if capcom can siphon money out of people by making cool boxes, then go for it. A collection of these will look cool on a shelf. I personally will stick with my collection of real carts.
You are assuming demand is for people who want to collect and play this, and while that might be a majority, a close amount is from speculators and scalpers who are only going to try and resell.
A reproduction is still a "real" cart in my opinion if it plays on the original system. Is it as "rare" or collectible as the original? Well, Capcom sold millions of original SF II for the SNES, but only 5000 Anniversary carts were made. So maybe the Anniversary carts are not vintage, but they are a heck of a lot more rare! I think that's a large part of the appeal, and nostalgia.
From Capcom's perspective, and those that sell the game, they don't care if you're a player or collector or scalper. True, Capcom didn't make half a million, probably not even close, but it is true that in about 24 hours that game generated half a million dollars in sales. As for LRG, I don't know... you may have lost interest, but many people are still interested. LRG collector's editions sell out without minutes, their regular games not so much these days, but that's a marketing decision LRG has made. Seems to be working for them, even though I personally am getting a tired of different covers, collector's editions, collector's editions with different frisbee colors, blah blah. All that said, I will still purchase a LRG game if it's a title I really want. Again, I'm coming from a play perspective rather than just a collector's, and since LRG supposedly releases games that typically are digital-only, it's different than reproduction carts.
Anyway, it looks like you're totally not interested in these reproduction carts, and again, that's your perogative. Maybe in 20 years reproduction carts will be worth nothing, maybe thousands. Don't know, guess I'll find out But, as someone that enjoys playing a good game whether it's vintage or not, I hope to see more reproductions to plug into my Super Nt!
Maybe I’m wrong. If I am then I personally lost a whole bunch of respect for collectors, but I dont care what people do with their money.
Wait, you still had respect for collectors?
There is still a few holdouts that are old school that I run in circles with. So some
Hard to argue with that logic right there. I have 50+ unlicensed reproductions from the late 80s for sale! Time to retire.
This is 2017. Reproduction carts can be made in 1 offs for $25 or so. Boxes and manuals in print runs as low as 100 can be made around $10-$15 a piece. Due to simple economies of scale, if you do a production run as large as 5000+, I'm sure costs are likely half of that,at most... maybe even 1/3rd of that. Not to mention $20 in shipping when you can probably ship to Zimbabwe for that price.
It's a forum of opinions and if you can't tolerate opinions than move along. It sold out because of mass marketing hype, not because of quality. And don't worry, there will be ample opportunities to buy them on eBay as people have buyer's remorse after they see second hand resale values.
There's a big difference between stating opinions and just being an ass about things. I actually agree with the majority that this is overpriced, nonetheless people are acting as if this is the devil incarnate. As to why it sold out, seems to me you are just guessing. Apparently one copy already sold on ebay for over twice the original cost, so we'll see if you're right about "second hand resale values"
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Street-Fi...
2 selling over asking before they are released means nothing.
I agree with Jone, there will be virtually zero secondary market and if there is it will be at minimal mark-up.
The Box will look nice on a shelf for a street fighter collector so it has that going for it. Anyone buying to flip better do it while the iron is hot, in 6 months to a year no one will give a shit.
They have been selling consistently for over $250. Example: opening bid $0.99, sold on Nov 19th for $256 + shipping
https://www.ebay.com/itm/STREET-F...
We still have what, 4 months to see if your prediction that "no on ewill give a shit" is true, but my money is that you're wrong. People do "give a shit" when it comes to classic games. This is something that fans and Nintendo need to realize! I'm hoping Capcom realizes this and we'll see some great SNES carts released!
Ugh... really? Where to begin...
For one, it's not even out yet! "Shipping begins early December". You're either trolling, or if legitimately arguing, then his 6 month comment should be taken literally from release. You haven't even begun to see the waves that will flood eBay when they're in hand. The $400+ sales you quoted later in the thread are about as relevant as $300+ SNES Classic sales. Those were panic buyers who got taken to the cleaners. There will likely be more panic buying when the first green carts hit the market too (1000 of the 5500), but those will level off at probably 1.5-2x the red price.
Ebay BIN is the best indicator of current value, which seems to imply $250 range. That'll quickly drop on red carts when the waves come though. As for the math of it all:
$100 game + $20 shipping + tax = $125-$130.
$250 sale - $32 fees (13% ebay/PP) - $5 ship = $210ish.
$80 profit isn't bad on $100 investment, but the iron is as hot as it'll ever be most likely. Supply has no where to go but up from here and demand is fixed. Do the math and figure out where the price will go.
Would make me happy! Nonetheless, as I've said all along, there is demand, and I hope Capcom and other companies cash in on this and release more carts.
ALL that said, back and forth whatever, I never understood why some of you have had so much hate for this.
ALL that said, back and forth whatever, I never understood why some of you have had so much hate for this.
No hate. It's just knowing that the new cartridge era is dead and buried. Let it rest in peace.
You may very well be correct! If so, GOOD! Maybe there will be floods on ebay and I can pick up a copy on the cheap
Would make me happy! Nonetheless, as I've said all along, there is demand, and I hope Capcom and other companies cash in on this and release more carts.
ALL that said, back and forth whatever, I never understood why some of you have had so much hate for this.
You necro-quoted me
I really don't even remotely care, if people want to buy it and they will enjoy it on their shelf, then thats all that matters. Jone and I were just talking about speculation and the secondary market.
That being said, I doubt they will drop below MSRP so you wont get it "cheap" but plan on paying above a little above retail.
I'm sure some of them are legit because there are a lot of really stupid people in this hobby, but I still find it hard to believe that someone spent nearly $500 on a fucking red Street Fighter II repro.
Yep. Now if it was the fucking glow in the dark Blanka one....
If people don't want the cart for their collection, so be it, but I'm tired of so much of the bullshit concerning this release.
The game was licensed by Capcom, what else is there to say? Whether it is licensed by Nintendo or not is irreleveant at this point - as proven with Star Fox 2 with the SNES classic, even if the game were unique and available, collectors would just consider it as aftermarket. With this release, people view it as a cash grab and just see it as an unlicensed repro. Well, how to say it: f*** you all.
It's for reasons such as above why collecting sucks. Yes, scalpers suck the big one, but folks that try to justify excluding releases as part of a collection suck an even bigger nut, imo. There are plenty of game releases that I wouldn't want to include in a set, or acknowledge as worthy of collecting, but I still do so, because I try my hardest to be objective about it. But the mentality here, sadly enough, is that games are only worthy of belonging to a set or being collected if they fit some ever-changing criteria, the best interest of the majority. To me, it is quite a daft way to decide how to collect something or not, being much more logical in my way of thinking.
I don't care about original price, I don't care about scalper prices, I don't care about the price ten years from now. With that said, what I see is that Capcom made a limited release of a game, to celebrate a 30 year anniversary, and it is something that should appear on collector lists, irregardless of how people feel about the release itself (good or poor quality, cash grab or not, etc). Period.
Oh, glad to see this thread bumped back up again.
If people don't want the cart for their collection, so be it, but I'm tired of so much of the bullshit concerning this release.
The game was licensed by Capcom, what else is there to say? Whether it is licensed by Nintendo or not is irreleveant at this point - as proven with Star Fox 2 with the SNES classic, even if the game were unique and available, collectors would just consider it as aftermarket. With this release, people view it as a cash grab and just see it as an unlicensed repro. Well, how to say it: f*** you all.
It's for reasons such as above why collecting sucks. Yes, scalpers suck the big one, but folks that try to justify excluding releases as part of a collection suck an even bigger nut, imo. There are plenty of game releases that I wouldn't want to include in a set, or acknowledge as worthy of collecting, but I still do so, because I try my hardest to be objective about it. But the mentality here, sadly enough, is that games are only worthy of belonging to a set or being collected if they fit some ever-changing criteria, the best interest of the majority. To me, it is quite a daft way to decide how to collect something or not, being much more logical in my way of thinking.
I don't care about original price, I don't care about scalper prices, I don't care about the price ten years from now. With that said, what I see is that Capcom made a limited release of a game, to celebrate a 30 year anniversary, and it is something that should appear on collector lists, irregardless of how people feel about the release itself (good or poor quality, cash grab or not, etc). Period.
People have valid reasons of why it should be excluded from collectors lists. Not saying they are correct or not, but people are not just excluding it for the fun of it. Just because you happen to disagree with how they see it, doesn't make your opinion any more correct, or give you any reason to so say "fuck you" to people who are just doing the same as you, voicing their opinion.
But when it comes to lists and what should be included/not you have made it abundantly clear in many threads that your opinion is the end all be all, and anyone is else is just stupid. Pretty sure you have even been banned fairly recently for pushing your arguments a bit too far in the past . So.......yeah. Maybe take a chill pill, and learn to accept other people have opinions, just like you do, and move on instead of investing yourself this intensely how others feel and telling them "fuck you" from your high horse.
There are much better ways to get your point across, and actually have people listen to you.
Oh, glad to see this thread bumped back up again.
If people don't want the cart for their collection, so be it, but I'm tired of so much of the bullshit concerning this release.
The game was licensed by Capcom, what else is there to say? Whether it is licensed by Nintendo or not is irreleveant at this point - as proven with Star Fox 2 with the SNES classic, even if the game were unique and available, collectors would just consider it as aftermarket. With this release, people view it as a cash grab and just see it as an unlicensed repro. Well, how to say it: f*** you all.
It's for reasons such as above why collecting sucks. Yes, scalpers suck the big one, but folks that try to justify excluding releases as part of a collection suck an even bigger nut, imo. There are plenty of game releases that I wouldn't want to include in a set, or acknowledge as worthy of collecting, but I still do so, because I try my hardest to be objective about it. But the mentality here, sadly enough, is that games are only worthy of belonging to a set or being collected if they fit some ever-changing criteria, the best interest of the majority. To me, it is quite a daft way to decide how to collect something or not, being much more logical in my way of thinking.
I don't care about original price, I don't care about scalper prices, I don't care about the price ten years from now. With that said, what I see is that Capcom made a limited release of a game, to celebrate a 30 year anniversary, and it is something that should appear on collector lists, irregardless of how people feel about the release itself (good or poor quality, cash grab or not, etc). Period.
People have valid reasons of why it should be excluded from collectors lists. Not saying they are correct or not, but people are not just excluding it for the fun of it. Just because you happen disagree with how they see it, doesn't make your opinion any more correct, or give you any reason to so say "fuck you" to people who are just doing the same as you, voicing their opinion.
But when it comes to lists and what should be included/not you have made it abundantly clear in many threads that your opinion is the end all be all, and anyone is else is just stupid. Pretty sure you have even been banned for pushing your arguments a bit too far in the past . So.......yeah. Maybe take a chill pill, and learn to accept other people have opinions, just like you do, and move on instead of investing yourself this intensely how others feel and telling them "fuck you".
Me thinks you should investigate further before making claims about which you know nothing - the reason I had been given a two-week ban, a year or two ago, was due to bring up in a thread that a guy's "translation" repro of a NES game was basically the same as one of the local editors here in Taiwan; the game the guy had "translated" had maybe one or two lines of text, as it was a platformer IIRC and had little Japanese text. I am sorry, but if someone wants to promote his or her wares in a way that is misleading, as to the work he or she did, then I am going to call it out every time. Could I have been more tactiful in my approach, sure, but I also believe in an approach where people (such as myself) should be able to express concerns, should they feel others are being diengenous in what is being said. Perhaps you feel differently, I haven't a clue on that.
Let me ask you this: Why shouldn't this game be included on lists? I am not saying that it should be counted as a necessary title for completion of a set, but I do feel it belongs on any list of SNES games circulating about. Do you object? If so, why? Because it is a cash grab? Because the parts are shoddy, and it is a fire hazard? Such way of thinking is rediculous, that is my point.
The game is not a pirate, it is not a bootleg. It was produced by the owners of said IP, and it isn't even an obscure IP. So how to say that it doesn't belong on a collector list, objectively? This isn't being a smartass, it is in ernst.
Therefore I conclude my case. There is not justification to exclude this one. Even if considered a variant, variants are still usually mentioned on collector lists and worth colleting by some.
And, Because it wasn't released during the consoles lifetime, it is not part of said set.
/argument
It can be in whatever additional lists people want.
Lists such as:
"Other games produced"
"Snes cash grabs"
"Capcom's failing business model game set"
"Nice box ok game repro"
Me thinks you should investigate further before making claims about which you know nothing - the reason I had been given a two-week ban, a year or two ago, was due to bring up in a thread that a guy's "translation" repro of a NES game was basically the same as one of the local editors here in Taiwan; the game the guy had "translated" had maybe one or two lines of text, as it was a platformer IIRC and had little Japanese text. I am sorry, but if someone wants to promote his or her wares in a way that is misleading, as to the work he or she did, then I am going to call it out every time. Could I have been more tactiful in my approach, sure, but I also believe in an approach where people (such as myself) should be able to express concerns, should they feel others are being diengenous in what is being said. Perhaps you feel differently, I haven't a clue on that.
Let me ask you this: Why shouldn't this game be included on lists? I am not saying that it should be counted as a necessary title for completion of a set, but I do feel it belongs on any list of SNES games circulating about. Do you object? If so, why? Because it is a cash grab? Because the parts are shoddy, and it is a fire hazard? Such way of thinking is rediculous, that is my point.
The game is not a pirate, it is not a bootleg. It was produced by the owners of said IP, and it isn't even an obscure IP. So how to say that it doesn't belong on a collector list, objectively? This isn't being a smartass, it is in ernst.
Therefore I conclude my case. There is not justification to exclude this one. Even if considered a variant, variants are still usually mentioned on collector lists and worth colleting by some.
Okay whether you were banned or not doesn't even matter. My point stlll stands the same, you can get your points across without saying "fuck you" to people for their opinions that you disagree with. And i know from seeing the threads with my own eyes, that you get way too aggressive than needed when discussing things. I am not going to search through all your posts for examples, but i think more than a few people here would agree with me on how you carry yourself around here, and that you would be heard more if you weren't so aggressive.
I have no interest in arguing with you, you believe whatever you want to believe. My post was aimed at your terrible attitude and how you are approaching getting your point across. Not whether or not the game should be included or not on a list. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and shouldn't be told "fuck you" because they see it differently. Regardless of what reasons they have.
You may very well be right, i am not debating that, but stop acting like these people insulted your mother.....
The only "List" most people are talking about is "complete licensed SNES set"
And, Because it wasn't released during the consoles lifetime, it is not part of said set.
/argument
It can be in whatever additional lists people want.
Lists such as:
"Other games produced"
"Snes cash grabs"
"Capcom's failing business model game set"
"Nice box ok game repro"
Exactly. On top of being overly angry. He is making up arguments that i haven't even seen on here to make his point. People not including it because it is a fire hazard?? Even if that was an opinion on here, it would be in the minority. Like you said, 9/10 people probably are just saying it doesn't belong in a licensed set, which i happen to agree with. But classify it however you want, it doesn't bother me and i am not going to go telling people fuck you because i disagree.
Me thinks you should investigate further before making claims about which you know nothing - the reason I had been given a two-week ban, a year or two ago, was due to bring up in a thread that a guy's "translation" repro of a NES game was basically the same as one of the local editors here in Taiwan; the game the guy had "translated" had maybe one or two lines of text, as it was a platformer IIRC and had little Japanese text. I am sorry, but if someone wants to promote his or her wares in a way that is misleading, as to the work he or she did, then I am going to call it out every time. Could I have been more tactiful in my approach, sure, but I also believe in an approach where people (such as myself) should be able to express concerns, should they feel others are being diengenous in what is being said. Perhaps you feel differently, I haven't a clue on that.
Let me ask you this: Why shouldn't this game be included on lists? I am not saying that it should be counted as a necessary title for completion of a set, but I do feel it belongs on any list of SNES games circulating about. Do you object? If so, why? Because it is a cash grab? Because the parts are shoddy, and it is a fire hazard? Such way of thinking is rediculous, that is my point.
The game is not a pirate, it is not a bootleg. It was produced by the owners of said IP, and it isn't even an obscure IP. So how to say that it doesn't belong on a collector list, objectively? This isn't being a smartass, it is in ernst.
Therefore I conclude my case. There is not justification to exclude this one. Even if considered a variant, variants are still usually mentioned on collector lists and worth colleting by some.
Okay whether you were banned or not doesn't even matter. My point stlll stands the same, you can get your points across without saying "fuck you" to people for their opinions that you disagree with. And i know from seeing the threads with my own eyes, that you get way too aggressive than needed when discussing things. I am not going to search through all your posts for examples, but i think more than a few people here would agree with me on how you carry yourself around here, and that you would be heard more if you weren't so aggressive.
I have no interest in arguing with you, you believe whatever you want to believe. My post was aimed at your terrible attitude and how you are approaching getting your point across. Not whether or not the game should be included or not on a list. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and shouldn't be told "fuck you" because they see it differently. Regardless of what reasons they have.
You may very well be right, i am not debating that, but stop acting like these people insulted your mother.....
You know what, I am not one for censorship, nor am I one to get offended at every little thing. Case in point:
Earlier this week, I offered to drive a colleague / good friend of mine to the immigration office, since he doesn't have a set of wheels (yet), and for him to cycle would have caused him to be late to work, aside from having to skip lunch. While outside of the building, on our way back to work, a local couple (man and wife, maybe 50 years old) asked us where we were from, in local tongue. My friend doesn't speak that, so I answered, from America (me) and England (him). The man (who was doing the talking) then commented about the age-old stereotype of Americans being fatter, as my colleague and I would fit into this stereotype, me fatter compared to him. I laughed, then told my colleague afterwards what had been discussed, we both had a good laugh, was I offended, not really, why should I be? Then we went and got lunch, and carried on with our lives.
Likewise, language is language, words are words. I have an interest in languages, in words, in word etymology. Aside from music, games, and gaming history, this is my interest. So I don't believe in censorship, but at the same token, I don't feel we should let words hold so much power, better to view them as what they are, utterances from our vocal chords. To make a point, I'm seriously half afraid for my gf to come home with me for Christmas this year, her English is terrible, and she often interjects with Chinese "that" using Taiwanese dialect, look it up and you might see what problems to be had, I certainly won't type it here though...
I feel that attitude is terrible that people do not look at things objectively, rather subjectively to aid their own agendas. If one does not want to spend $100+ for a cash grab, so be it, but stop making up bogus reasons to exclude it from collector lists. As I said before, let's hear some reasons why it should be excluded from lists, even as a variant.
The only "List" most people are talking about is "complete licensed SNES set"
And, Because it wasn't released during the consoles lifetime, it is not part of said set.
/argument
It can be in whatever additional lists people want.
Lists such as:
"Other games produced"
"Snes cash grabs"
"Capcom's failing business model game set"
"Nice box ok game repro"
Lol lol lol. The list "most" people are talking about? Seriously? Did you poll the people here? I don't think you have the authority to decide on this.
Whether the game was or was not released during the "so-called" life span of the machine should objectively have no decision on whether the game belongs in a set or not. If Nintendo were to start producing original NES games, en masse, tomorrow, and release a statement that the NES were still officially under their support, would those games be counted or not? It would create a shit storm, just as such cash grabs as this cart by Capcom did, just as the golden Duck Tales cart did, just as the Sachen released (i.e. Huge Insect) did, etc etc etc.
It isn't just about licensed or unlicensed, about until 1992...1993...1994...1995? or not, rather it is about accurately documenting game cartridges for what they are. If you choose not to collect it and feel it is a cash grab, so be it, but what harm is there in including it on a list of game carts known to have been mass produced for the SNES? Well we know the answer to that one as well, but let's just leave it unsaid.
edit: And it's not about me having a bad attitude or something like that. Ask any of the folks on here that have met me in real life, and they can tell you how I act. Or ask any of the folks here (or on Famicom World) with whom I've sold / traded goods too, I am always more than generous, often going over and beyond. At the same time, I feel things deserved to be documented, whether we personally support / like them or not. That includes cash grabs, and low quality products. Who honestly cares if it means you might not have a "complete" set by some random dude's standards?
I'd personally put this below Player's Choice variants which are licensed by Nintendo and homebrew which are brand new games. Sure, it's a weird release worth documenting and not pretending never existed but I think there's nothing wrong with most people dismissing it as a pointless noncollectible firmly in the "other SNES releases" footnote category. If these games had any software changes whatsoever they'd be way more interesting than a simple rerelease.
The only "List" most people are talking about is "complete licensed SNES set"
And, Because it wasn't released during the consoles lifetime, it is not part of said set.
/argument
It can be in whatever additional lists people want.
Lists such as:
"Other games produced"
"Snes cash grabs"
"Capcom's failing business model game set"
"Nice box ok game repro"
Lol lol lol. The list "most" people are talking about? Seriously? Did you poll the people here? I don't think you have the authority to decide on this.
Whether the game was or was not released during the "so-called" life span of the machine should objectively have no decision on whether the game belongs in a set or not. If Nintendo were to start producing original NES games, en masse, tomorrow, and release a statement that the NES were still officially under their support, would those games be counted or not? It would create a shit storm, just as such cash grabs as this cart by Capcom did, just as the golden Duck Tales cart did, just as the Sachen released (i.e. Huge Insect) did, etc etc etc.
It isn't just about licensed or unlicensed, about until 1992...1993...1994...1995? or not, rather it is about accurately documenting game cartridges for what they are. If you choose not to collect it and feel it is a cash grab, so be it, but what harm is there in including it on a list of game carts known to have been mass produced for the SNES? Well we know the answer to that one as well, but let's just leave it unsaid.
edit: And it's not about me having a bad attitude or something like that. Ask any of the folks on here that have met me in real life, and they can tell you how I act. Or ask any of the folks here (or on Famicom World) with whom I've sold / traded goods too, I am always more than generous, often going over and beyond. At the same time, I feel things deserved to be documented, whether we personally support / like them or not. That includes cash grabs, and low quality products. Who honestly cares if it means you might not have a "complete" set by some random dude's standards?
Cool story bro.
I don’t need to poll anyone, It really doesn’t matter. Some guy on the internet can post a list on some blog saying that this IS included. You keep preaching about whatever it is you are constantly arguing about, and the rest of us will go back to recognizing the complete licensed sets, that existed before this came out.
You know what, I am not one for censorship, nor am I one to get offended at every little thing. Case in point:
Earlier this week, I offered to drive a colleague / good friend of mine to the immigration office, since he doesn't have a set of wheels (yet), and for him to cycle would have caused him to be late to work, aside from having to skip lunch. While outside of the building, on our way back to work, a local couple (man and wife, maybe 50 years old) asked us where we were from, in local tongue. My friend doesn't speak that, so I answered, from America (me) and England (him). The man (who was doing the talking) then commented about the age-old stereotype of Americans being fatter, as my colleague and I would fit into this stereotype, me fatter compared to him. I laughed, then told my colleague afterwards what had been discussed, we both had a good laugh, was I offended, not really, why should I be? Then we went and got lunch, and carried on with our lives.
Likewise, language is language, words are words. I have an interest in languages, in words, in word etymology. Aside from music, games, and gaming history, this is my interest. So I don't believe in censorship, but at the same token, I don't feel we should let words hold so much power, better to view them as what they are, utterances from our vocal chords. To make a point, I'm seriously half afraid for my gf to come home with me for Christmas this year, her English is terrible, and she often interjects with Chinese "that" using Taiwanese dialect, look it up and you might see what problems to be had, I certainly won't type it here though...
I feel that attitude is terrible that people do not look at things objectively, rather subjectively to aid their own agendas. If one does not want to spend $100+ for a cash grab, so be it, but stop making up bogus reasons to exclude it from collector lists. As I said before, let's hear some reasons why it should be excluded from lists, even as a variant.
The only "List" most people are talking about is "complete licensed SNES set"
And, Because it wasn't released during the consoles lifetime, it is not part of said set.
/argument
It can be in whatever additional lists people want.
Lists such as:
"Other games produced"
"Snes cash grabs"
"Capcom's failing business model game set"
"Nice box ok game repro"
Sachen
263! Who had post number 263? Check your scorecards folks.
The only "List" most people are talking about is "complete licensed SNES set"
And, Because it wasn't released during the consoles lifetime, it is not part of said set.
/argument
It can be in whatever additional lists people want.
Lists such as:
"Other games produced"
"Snes cash grabs"
"Capcom's failing business model game set"
"Nice box ok game repro"
Sachen
263! Who had post number 263? Check your scorecards folks.
BINGO!!