Pretty sure the RCA model having superior CD playing quality is a myth. I still have mine and I can't tell a lick of a difference between that and all of my other revisions. I think some people have even hooked them up to audio analyzers and compared them with later models and differences were so minor that a human ear would never be able to detect them in a double blind test.
That's bc audiophiles are mostly full of shit. CDs are low quality sound, period. I remember reading an article about the PS1 being an outstanding CD player but only after it had been on for several days to "warm it up".
I'm not one to intentionally derail conversations, but since I started this thread, I'll do it. It was/is my understanding, as someone who takes interest in audio but is nothing even close to an "audiophile" that CD quality is, in fact, exceptional The problem I've always heard is how CDs have been mastered since, well, about 5 years or so after the CD player came out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that audio techinicians now "tighten" (for lack of a better term) the volume of the sound, and cap it often trimming the louder areas of any given audio. If a CD used it's full capability and range of volume and fidelity, it would actually sound quite amazing.
In fact, I recall when I was younger (in the 90s) I'd go to the library and occassionally check out CDs of soundtracks from the 80s and I noticed by their copyright dates, they were early CDs. I began hunting them out because I noticed they were all exceptionally quite and at that time I had no clue why. Apparently it was evidence to what I'd mentioned, but since all I had was a late-90's era CD Walkman (or a PlayStation, ha!) all I knew was that I had to turn the volume WAAAAY up to hear them and that this degraded the quality because hissing would start to show up due to the volume being so high.
Anyway, my point is, I don't think CDs are crap. Someone(s) made some ridiculous decisions to tweak the audio settings and CD players seemed to follow in how they expected audio quality on the discs. If there's an audiophile on here, I'd be interested on your better understanding of this.
Im not going to say you're wrong, however the quality CDs (stand CDs not SACDs) output is debatable when you compare it to it's analog competitors. However, I do this audiophiles are like wine experts where often times they don't agree and are mostly crowd followers. Personally i don't think everything needs to be HiFi so even mp3s have their place. But if someone thinks ripping some mp3s from the web and throwing them on a CDR is producing superior sounds because they're being played out of a PS1, they're fooling themselves or just high as shit.
...But if someone thinks ripping some mp3s from the web and throwing them on a CDR is producing superior sounds because they're being played out of a PS1, they're fooling themselves or just high as shit.
Hahaha, yeah, even that makes me laugh. Again, no expert here, but that's ridiculous. This also reminds me that they audio tested a lot of "audiophiles" and asked them how they felt about the quality of modern re-released records, or new limited run records. They tended to love the records and, of course, and agreed the quality was better than CDs... they problem was that this day an age, the overwhelming fact is that most new LPs are generated from the CD masters so if there are quality concerns with the digital audio, it's being re-translated into the audio signal on the LP.
Lol... I guess people really do prefer the pop-and-hiss of records over the general "silence" of CDs. I'll include myself in this mix, but not because I just think the sound is superior. I just like the sound better.
arguing CD vs vinyl is an eternal battle that'll never be settled like politics or SNES vs Genesis I listen to all formats. I also watch beta, vhs, dvd, Laserdisc & bluray. Laserdisc is actually superior to dvd(if they are both created from the same master). I was reading something recently that the earlier CD's were all manufactured to "redbook standard" specs but most CD's are a "CD compatible" format which have different physical specs for cheaper manufacturing. That might be the difference in audio quality you speak of
To be a little more specific in my original reply;
If you see a scph-1001 that works perfectly and you combine it with 2 non analog controllers(after cleaning it and making it all shiny) it would resell for $65+ IMO. those playstations are worth grabbing if you see em for $5.
Also if you see a scph-9001 that is in really minty shape during your travels for $5 i'd grab that too because it's the latest and greatest model before the psone redesign. I usually pass them up however. I have one perfect 1001 and a stack of 10 games. thats the extent of my playstation collection lol
and what if you don't have good speakers? you wouldn't notice any improved quality otherwise.
I'd imagine a quality receiver, amplifier and/or equalizer would matter as much as the speakers.
at that point, how much does an audophile ps1 help?
Well, regardless of the CD player, you will need a high end amplifier/receiver and a good set of speakes. The audophile PS1 helps in that you have a $30 CD player as opposed to a $250 high end CD player.
firing up a pre-dual shock playstation with the pre-analog controllers and playing 2xtreme is one of my guilty pleasures
finally... someone is speaking my language!
2Xtreme was the first NEW video game I ever bought with my own money. I bought it the day after Christmas after getting the PS1 as a Christmas gift (along with Crash and Tomb Raider).
Also, just to brag a little, I have an original US launch PS1 (with the RCA jacks) that I've had since new and it still works. I've never had to flip it over.
I loved it back in the day, but I can't say it's aged very well.
It sort of plays like road rash in that you can kick and punch your opponants, but since the racing is skates/bikes/skate boards and snow boards, you can also do tricks in the air.
An interesting piece of information is that the original game was called ESPN Extreme Games, but after they lost the ESPN license, they renamed later releases as 1Extreme. Of course, there was also a 3Extreme. But 2Extreme was the only one I played a lot of.
I loved it back in the day, but I can't say it's aged very well.
It sort of plays like road rash in that you can kick and punch your opponants, but since the racing is skates/bikes/skate boards and snow boards, you can also do tricks in the air.
An interesting piece of information is that the original game was called ESPN Extreme Games, but after they lost the ESPN license, they renamed later releases as 1Extreme. Of course, there was also a 3Extreme. But 2Extreme was the only one I played a lot of.
Definitely have a similar experience with 2Xtreme haha. I loved it so much back then, it was still fun last time I played it but its been awhile. and yeah I would describe it as extreme sports road rash.
that tidbit about the first game in the series is interesting.. for awhile I didn't realize that was the case and would look all over for a black label version of 1Xtreme in my younger days. I'm pretty sure it was greatest hits only other than the longbox? could be wrong. also dont think I played the 3rd game, but if my memory serves me correctly, it was taken over by 989 studios at that point who I despised as a kid for 'ruining' my favorite series, Twisted Metal along with other a handful of other game series' on the original PlayStation (Jet Moto & Cool Boarders also come to mind)
that tidbit about the first game in the series is interesting.. for awhile I didn't realize that was the case and would look all over for a black label version of 1Xtreme in my younger days. I'm pretty sure it was greatest hits only other than the longbox? could be wrong. also dont think I played the 3rd game, but if my memory serves me correctly, it was taken over by 989 studios at that point who I despised as a kid for 'ruining' my favorite series, Twisted Metal along with other a handful of other game series' on the original PlayStation (Jet Moto & Cool Boarders also come to mind)
ESPN Extreme Games was released as a long box and black label jewel case under that name.
1Extreme was released as Greatest Hits only under that name.
scph-1001 model with the rca jacks on the back; audiophiles buy them because they have amazing cd audio quality. the drive is defective, but if you find one that works perfect it'll probably resell for over $100.
I looked because I had no idea myself. That is not even close to correct though. Looks like they sell for 30-50 max on ebay.
If your looking for something unique I would go for a ps1 debug kit as is sports a different color and plus the system is region free and can play backups.
I want one. I don't even see any on eBay. How much do the debug kits go for? Nevermind. Answered earlier.
Just wanna say that CDs are capable of amazing an exceptional sound. It all depends on the source material and how the CD was mastered. Earlier CDs are usually of better quality becuase they were released before the loudness wars:
The PSX is a good CD player for the price. That article that says it is as good as a $6,000 high end player is just bonkers. Is it a good CD player for $30? Sure it is. It sounds great on my set up. Now does it sound better than my Pioneer Elite DV-45A CD player? No, but my Pioneer Elite player was a $700 player when it came out in 2003. You can get them now for under $100 and I would highly recommend it.
I am sort of a wanna be audiophile I guess. I have a good sounding set up with some older second hand gear. Audiophile on a budget I guess you can say.
Some people take the PSX audiphile dream way too far. Check out these examples:
That red one with the shaved controller ports and the matching preamp is Dope
Thats not a pre-amp. Its the power unit for the PSX. Some say that having the power unit in the system can distort the sound so a lot of audiophiles put them on the outside of the system. There are a few other common sound mods for it that supposedly make it sound even better. Soldering in a digital out port and using the digital connection is another one.
i'm sure it pales in comparison to whatever state of the art CD players are out there today, but there has to be something to this. anyone smart enough to perform these elaborate mods
Ok, can someone tell me why all of these modded SCPH-1001s for the audiophiles have one or two pegs added to the back of the cases? What's there purpose. Are they actually modding the internal electical hardware as well and somehow installing vacuum tubes?
Also, if anyone with electrical expertise wanted to get to the bottom of just how good one of these are, all they need to do is tear down a unit, make note of all related chips used on the device that relate to sound and then see where else Sony used those chips. As someone stated earlier, data is data. There is nothing special abour reading audio information from a disc, however, there can be a huge difference in whatever hardware translates the bits to analog waves.
I imagine Sony used some top-shelf items for hte PS1 for a couple reasons. One, they wanted people to actually buy and use this item. Doubling this unit as a video game/CD player combo was a good strategy, especially if they could market that you could either get a $300 CD player of equal quality or just get a PS1 at [insert launch price here.] Sony also did this with Blu-Ray and the PS3, and I recall a lot of people were also quite happy to use their PS2s as DVD players.
Since Sony has won every major format war since they started fighting any of them, putting quality components into their game units makes a lot of since. It solidifies the new format as a viable format (though the CD wasn't new when the PS1 came out) and it's also a little cheaper for Sony to do because they don't have to pay the licensing fees anyone else has to pay in order to use CDs within the hardware. I'm not at all surprised that the PS1 was a "top-notch" CD player, but I'd guess that it would be a unit that could have competed with the best you could find at a place like Best Buy, but not from some serious audio catalog or very-high-end audio shop.
Ok, can someone tell me why all of these modded SCPH-1001s for the audiophiles have one or two pegs added to the back of the cases? What's there purpose. Are they actually modding the internal electical hardware as well and somehow installing vacuum tubes?
Also, if anyone with electrical expertise wanted to get to the bottom of just how good one of these are, all they need to do is tear down a unit, make note of all related chips used on the device that relate to sound and then see where else Sony used those chips. As someone stated earlier, data is data. There is nothing special abour reading audio information from a disc, however, there can be a huge difference in whatever hardware translates the bits to analog waves.
I imagine Sony used some top-shelf items for hte PS1 for a couple reasons. One, they wanted people to actually buy and use this item. Doubling this unit as a video game/CD player combo was a good strategy, especially if they could market that you could either get a $300 CD player of equal quality or just get a PS1 at [insert launch price here.] Sony also did this with Blu-Ray and the PS3, and I recall a lot of people were also quite happy to use their PS2s as DVD players.
Since Sony has won every major format war since they started fighting any of them, putting quality components into their game units makes a lot of since. It solidifies the new format as a viable format (though the CD wasn't new when the PS1 came out) and it's also a little cheaper for Sony to do because they don't have to pay the licensing fees anyone else has to pay in order to use CDs within the hardware. I'm not at all surprised that the PS1 was a "top-notch" CD player, but I'd guess that it would be a unit that could have competed with the best you could find at a place like Best Buy, but not from some serious audio catalog or very-high-end audio shop.
Those are feet for the system to lay on. The world of audiophiles can get very strange, lol. I am not an expert but from what I can tell it seems that what the cd player "lays on" or "sits on" can make a diference on the sound. Don't ask me to explain how. Honestly I think some of this stuff is BS. Probably just a placebo effect. Take a look at these audiophile wood blocks to lay your CD player on:
They are suppossed to make the sound better. I call BS but some people believe it. I also hear dof people putting their CDs in the freezer overnite to make them sound better. Shit gets real whacky.
UPDATE: Wait are you reffering to the AV Outs in the back? Those are for the AV cables to carry the analouge sound to the amp. Not sure what you mean by "pegs".
Ok, can someone tell me why all of these modded SCPH-1001s for the audiophiles have one or two pegs added to the back of the cases? What's there purpose. Are they actually modding the internal electical hardware as well and somehow installing vacuum tubes?
Also, if anyone with electrical expertise wanted to get to the bottom of just how good one of these are, all they need to do is tear down a unit, make note of all related chips used on the device that relate to sound and then see where else Sony used those chips. As someone stated earlier, data is data. There is nothing special abour reading audio information from a disc, however, there can be a huge difference in whatever hardware translates the bits to analog waves.
I imagine Sony used some top-shelf items for hte PS1 for a couple reasons. One, they wanted people to actually buy and use this item. Doubling this unit as a video game/CD player combo was a good strategy, especially if they could market that you could either get a $300 CD player of equal quality or just get a PS1 at [insert launch price here.] Sony also did this with Blu-Ray and the PS3, and I recall a lot of people were also quite happy to use their PS2s as DVD players.
Since Sony has won every major format war since they started fighting any of them, putting quality components into their game units makes a lot of since. It solidifies the new format as a viable format (though the CD wasn't new when the PS1 came out) and it's also a little cheaper for Sony to do because they don't have to pay the licensing fees anyone else has to pay in order to use CDs within the hardware. I'm not at all surprised that the PS1 was a "top-notch" CD player, but I'd guess that it would be a unit that could have competed with the best you could find at a place like Best Buy, but not from some serious audio catalog or very-high-end audio shop.
Those are feet for the system to lay on. The world of audiophiles can get very strange, lol. I am not an expert but from what I can tell it seems that what the cd player "lays on" or "sits on" can make a diference on the sound. Don't ask me to explain how. Honestly I think some of this stuff is BS. Probably just a placebo effect. Take a look at these audiophile wood blocks to lay your CD player on:
They are suppossed to make the sound better. I call BS but some people believe it. I also hear dof people putting their CDs in the freezer overnite to make them sound better. Shit gets real whacky.
UPDATE: Wait are you reffering to the AV Outs in the back? Those are for the AV cables to carry the analouge sound to the amp. Not sure what you mean by "pegs".
No, I meant the wood pegs that are on the top of the unit. Some of these example units have just one on the left-side (front facing) while other units have two on the back side, on the top of the unit. I think the wood blocks are what you're talking about and, yes, those are 100% BS (sorry if there is anyone here into this and uses wood blocks on electrical audio devices.)
I could possibly buy into this if this was for a record player since it's an analog player that works off of literal vibrations but there should be absolutely no noticable vibration when converting an digital signal to electric analog, which is what some form of wood block would damp. No, I'm not an audio guy buy I am a software dev whose had to dabble in electrical design. No amount of wood blocks is going to distrupt/distort the flow of electrons within the electronic chips and/or wires.
In fact, giving it a second thought, the only thing I can thing of that would make this justifiable (but I'm still 99.999% suspiscious) is that the disc drive causes vibrations that maybe/somehow, very-slightly distorts the signal within the digital-to-analog processor. Even that, though, seems a bit ridiculous and any change in signal would have to be so miniscule, it shouldn't be noticable. Damping blocks/pegs could, I guess, balance out the wabbles of they were strategically positioned but the amount of analysis that would have to go into the actual physical nature of the casing would be considerable.
Yeah, I'm just going to call BS. Hopeful, placebo BS.
I imagine Sony used some top-shelf items for hte PS1 for a couple reasons. One, they wanted people to actually buy and use this item. Doubling this unit as a video game/CD player combo was a good strategy, especially if they could market that you could either get a $300 CD player of equal quality or just get a PS1 at [insert launch price here.] Sony also did this with Blu-Ray and the PS3, and I recall a lot of people were also quite happy to use their PS2s as DVD players.
As one of the best selling game systems of all time, it's hard to argue that the PS2 was not single handedly responsible for boosting DVD popularity to where it went. They were released in 1997, I got my first player "early" in late 1999 and was literally the only person I knew with a DVD player. But by 2000-2001 everyone had a PS2 and because of it a stack of DVDs. Netflix helped a ton as well.
As one of the largest music and movie property owners, it has always been Sony's goal to cross-promote their products to be features on their "game" systems, and they've been ultra successful with their systems making DVD and Blu-ray hits. Not so much with Super Audio CDs.
In my time living in Tennessee, any original PS1's got me $25 in store credit at Game Exchange so I usually made a small killing off them since the Goodwill's in northwest TN only sold them for $5 each.
I came across a bunch of PS1 consoles at a recent meet up, and got about three decent looking working ones. I paid an average of I think $12/ea? I've always loved the PS1 and try to keep a few on hand.
I imagine Sony used some top-shelf items for hte PS1 for a couple reasons. One, they wanted people to actually buy and use this item. Doubling this unit as a video game/CD player combo was a good strategy, especially if they could market that you could either get a $300 CD player of equal quality or just get a PS1 at [insert launch price here.] Sony also did this with Blu-Ray and the PS3, and I recall a lot of people were also quite happy to use their PS2s as DVD players.
As one of the best selling game systems of all time, it's hard to argue that the PS2 was not single handedly responsible for boosting DVD popularity to where it went. They were released in 1997, I got my first player "early" in late 1999 and was literally the only person I knew with a DVD player. But by 2000-2001 everyone had a PS2 and because of it a stack of DVDs. Netflix helped a ton as well.
As one of the largest music and movie property owners, it has always been Sony's goal to cross-promote their products to be features on their "game" systems, and they've been ultra successful with their systems making DVD and Blu-ray hits. Not so much with Super Audio CDs.
Yeah I often make this arguement when people debate why the PS2 beat the Dreamcast, it's like everyone has forgotten how important the letters D-V-D were to us back in the year 2000. NOBODY had a DVD player in the late 90s. You were very cutting edge if you did. The Playstation 2 single handedly brought DVD to the masses. I am certainly in the boat of people whose first CD player was a PS1 and first DVD player was a PS2.
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Pretty sure the RCA model having superior CD playing quality is a myth. I still have mine and I can't tell a lick of a difference between that and all of my other revisions. I think some people have even hooked them up to audio analyzers and compared them with later models and differences were so minor that a human ear would never be able to detect them in a double blind test.
That's bc audiophiles are mostly full of shit. CDs are low quality sound, period. I remember reading an article about the PS1 being an outstanding CD player but only after it had been on for several days to "warm it up".
I'm not one to intentionally derail conversations, but since I started this thread, I'll do it. It was/is my understanding, as someone who takes interest in audio but is nothing even close to an "audiophile" that CD quality is, in fact, exceptional The problem I've always heard is how CDs have been mastered since, well, about 5 years or so after the CD player came out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was my understanding that audio techinicians now "tighten" (for lack of a better term) the volume of the sound, and cap it often trimming the louder areas of any given audio. If a CD used it's full capability and range of volume and fidelity, it would actually sound quite amazing.
In fact, I recall when I was younger (in the 90s) I'd go to the library and occassionally check out CDs of soundtracks from the 80s and I noticed by their copyright dates, they were early CDs. I began hunting them out because I noticed they were all exceptionally quite and at that time I had no clue why. Apparently it was evidence to what I'd mentioned, but since all I had was a late-90's era CD Walkman (or a PlayStation, ha!) all I knew was that I had to turn the volume WAAAAY up to hear them and that this degraded the quality because hissing would start to show up due to the volume being so high.
Anyway, my point is, I don't think CDs are crap. Someone(s) made some ridiculous decisions to tweak the audio settings and CD players seemed to follow in how they expected audio quality on the discs. If there's an audiophile on here, I'd be interested on your better understanding of this.
...But if someone thinks ripping some mp3s from the web and throwing them on a CDR is producing superior sounds because they're being played out of a PS1, they're fooling themselves or just high as shit.
Hahaha, yeah, even that makes me laugh. Again, no expert here, but that's ridiculous. This also reminds me that they audio tested a lot of "audiophiles" and asked them how they felt about the quality of modern re-released records, or new limited run records. They tended to love the records and, of course, and agreed the quality was better than CDs... they problem was that this day an age, the overwhelming fact is that most new LPs are generated from the CD masters so if there are quality concerns with the digital audio, it's being re-translated into the audio signal on the LP.
Lol... I guess people really do prefer the pop-and-hiss of records over the general "silence" of CDs. I'll include myself in this mix, but not because I just think the sound is superior. I just like the sound better.
To be a little more specific in my original reply;
If you see a scph-1001 that works perfectly and you combine it with 2 non analog controllers(after cleaning it and making it all shiny) it would resell for $65+ IMO. those playstations are worth grabbing if you see em for $5.
Also if you see a scph-9001 that is in really minty shape during your travels for $5 i'd grab that too because it's the latest and greatest model before the psone redesign. I usually pass them up however. I have one perfect 1001 and a stack of 10 games. thats the extent of my playstation collection lol
and what if you don't have good speakers? you wouldn't notice any improved quality otherwise.
I'd imagine a quality receiver, amplifier and/or equalizer would matter as much as the speakers.
at that point, how much does an audophile ps1 help?
Well, regardless of the CD player, you will need a high end amplifier/receiver and a good set of speakes. The audophile PS1 helps in that you have a $30 CD player as opposed to a $250 high end CD player.
firing up a pre-dual shock playstation with the pre-analog controllers and playing 2xtreme is one of my guilty pleasures
finally... someone is speaking my language!
2Xtreme was the first NEW video game I ever bought with my own money. I bought it the day after Christmas after getting the PS1 as a Christmas gift (along with Crash and Tomb Raider).
Is 2xtreme any good?
I loved it back in the day, but I can't say it's aged very well.
It sort of plays like road rash in that you can kick and punch your opponants, but since the racing is skates/bikes/skate boards and snow boards, you can also do tricks in the air.
An interesting piece of information is that the original game was called ESPN Extreme Games, but after they lost the ESPN license, they renamed later releases as 1Extreme. Of course, there was also a 3Extreme. But 2Extreme was the only one I played a lot of.
Is 2xtreme any good?
I loved it back in the day, but I can't say it's aged very well.
It sort of plays like road rash in that you can kick and punch your opponants, but since the racing is skates/bikes/skate boards and snow boards, you can also do tricks in the air.
An interesting piece of information is that the original game was called ESPN Extreme Games, but after they lost the ESPN license, they renamed later releases as 1Extreme. Of course, there was also a 3Extreme. But 2Extreme was the only one I played a lot of.
Definitely have a similar experience with 2Xtreme haha. I loved it so much back then, it was still fun last time I played it but its been awhile. and yeah I would describe it as extreme sports road rash.
that tidbit about the first game in the series is interesting.. for awhile I didn't realize that was the case and would look all over for a black label version of 1Xtreme in my younger days. I'm pretty sure it was greatest hits only other than the longbox? could be wrong. also dont think I played the 3rd game, but if my memory serves me correctly, it was taken over by 989 studios at that point who I despised as a kid for 'ruining' my favorite series, Twisted Metal along with other a handful of other game series' on the original PlayStation (Jet Moto & Cool Boarders also come to mind)
that tidbit about the first game in the series is interesting.. for awhile I didn't realize that was the case and would look all over for a black label version of 1Xtreme in my younger days. I'm pretty sure it was greatest hits only other than the longbox? could be wrong. also dont think I played the 3rd game, but if my memory serves me correctly, it was taken over by 989 studios at that point who I despised as a kid for 'ruining' my favorite series, Twisted Metal along with other a handful of other game series' on the original PlayStation (Jet Moto & Cool Boarders also come to mind)
ESPN Extreme Games was released as a long box and black label jewel case under that name.
1Extreme was released as Greatest Hits only under that name.
could've sworn I've seen a 1xtreme longbox as well
When in doubt, just check Game Rave.
scph-1001 model with the rca jacks on the back; audiophiles buy them because they have amazing cd audio quality. the drive is defective, but if you find one that works perfect it'll probably resell for over $100.
I looked because I had no idea myself. That is not even close to correct though. Looks like they sell for 30-50 max on ebay.
https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_...
I got a fully functional one for less than $20 shipped to me off eBay. They are still cheap as hell.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-Playstation-1-One-game-console-PS1-System-Only-SCPH-1001-console-only/311991252522?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
If your looking for something unique I would go for a ps1 debug kit as is sports a different color and plus the system is region free and can play backups.
I want one. I don't even see any on eBay. How much do the debug kits go for? Nevermind. Answered earlier.
Just wanna say that CDs are capable of amazing an exceptional sound. It all depends on the source material and how the CD was mastered. Earlier CDs are usually of better quality becuase they were released before the loudness wars:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war
The PSX is a good CD player for the price. That article that says it is as good as a $6,000 high end player is just bonkers. Is it a good CD player for $30? Sure it is. It sounds great on my set up. Now does it sound better than my Pioneer Elite DV-45A CD player? No, but my Pioneer Elite player was a $700 player when it came out in 2003. You can get them now for under $100 and I would highly recommend it.
I am sort of a wanna be audiophile I guess. I have a good sounding set up with some older second hand gear. Audiophile on a budget I guess you can say.
Some people take the PSX audiphile dream way too far. Check out these examples:
https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0493/11/1438191285806.jpg
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/V42IGpsWNZc/0.jpg
http://retrogamesandhardware.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/img2967nb.jpg
Originally posted by: MrWunderful
That red one with the shaved controller ports and the matching preamp is Dope
Thats not a pre-amp. Its the power unit for the PSX. Some say that having the power unit in the system can distort the sound so a lot of audiophiles put them on the outside of the system. There are a few other common sound mods for it that supposedly make it sound even better. Soldering in a digital out port and using the digital connection is another one.
has to at least half ass know their stuff.
Some people take the PSX audiphile dream way too far. Check out these examples:
https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0...
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/V42IGpsWNZc...
http://retrogamesandhardware.com/...
I'm not going to lie. Those look awesome.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rzFISVx1mXc/hqdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9EJvrf22Hx8/hqdefault.jpg
http://retrogamesandhardware.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/IMG_3504.jpg
Just Google "sony playstation audiophile" images. There's a bunch out there.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rzFISVx1mX...
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9EJvrf22Hx...
http://retrogamesandhardware.com/...
Ok, can someone tell me why all of these modded SCPH-1001s for the audiophiles have one or two pegs added to the back of the cases? What's there purpose. Are they actually modding the internal electical hardware as well and somehow installing vacuum tubes?
Also, if anyone with electrical expertise wanted to get to the bottom of just how good one of these are, all they need to do is tear down a unit, make note of all related chips used on the device that relate to sound and then see where else Sony used those chips. As someone stated earlier, data is data. There is nothing special abour reading audio information from a disc, however, there can be a huge difference in whatever hardware translates the bits to analog waves.
I imagine Sony used some top-shelf items for hte PS1 for a couple reasons. One, they wanted people to actually buy and use this item. Doubling this unit as a video game/CD player combo was a good strategy, especially if they could market that you could either get a $300 CD player of equal quality or just get a PS1 at [insert launch price here.] Sony also did this with Blu-Ray and the PS3, and I recall a lot of people were also quite happy to use their PS2s as DVD players.
Since Sony has won every major format war since they started fighting any of them, putting quality components into their game units makes a lot of since. It solidifies the new format as a viable format (though the CD wasn't new when the PS1 came out) and it's also a little cheaper for Sony to do because they don't have to pay the licensing fees anyone else has to pay in order to use CDs within the hardware. I'm not at all surprised that the PS1 was a "top-notch" CD player, but I'd guess that it would be a unit that could have competed with the best you could find at a place like Best Buy, but not from some serious audio catalog or very-high-end audio shop.
Just Google "sony playstation audiophile" images. There's a bunch out there.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rzFISVx1mXc/hqdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9EJvrf22Hx8/hqdefault.jpg
http://retrogamesandhardware.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/...
Ok, can someone tell me why all of these modded SCPH-1001s for the audiophiles have one or two pegs added to the back of the cases? What's there purpose. Are they actually modding the internal electical hardware as well and somehow installing vacuum tubes?
Also, if anyone with electrical expertise wanted to get to the bottom of just how good one of these are, all they need to do is tear down a unit, make note of all related chips used on the device that relate to sound and then see where else Sony used those chips. As someone stated earlier, data is data. There is nothing special abour reading audio information from a disc, however, there can be a huge difference in whatever hardware translates the bits to analog waves.
I imagine Sony used some top-shelf items for hte PS1 for a couple reasons. One, they wanted people to actually buy and use this item. Doubling this unit as a video game/CD player combo was a good strategy, especially if they could market that you could either get a $300 CD player of equal quality or just get a PS1 at [insert launch price here.] Sony also did this with Blu-Ray and the PS3, and I recall a lot of people were also quite happy to use their PS2s as DVD players.
Since Sony has won every major format war since they started fighting any of them, putting quality components into their game units makes a lot of since. It solidifies the new format as a viable format (though the CD wasn't new when the PS1 came out) and it's also a little cheaper for Sony to do because they don't have to pay the licensing fees anyone else has to pay in order to use CDs within the hardware. I'm not at all surprised that the PS1 was a "top-notch" CD player, but I'd guess that it would be a unit that could have competed with the best you could find at a place like Best Buy, but not from some serious audio catalog or very-high-end audio shop.
Those are feet for the system to lay on. The world of audiophiles can get very strange, lol. I am not an expert but from what I can tell it seems that what the cd player "lays on" or "sits on" can make a diference on the sound. Don't ask me to explain how. Honestly I think some of this stuff is BS. Probably just a placebo effect. Take a look at these audiophile wood blocks to lay your CD player on:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Audiophile-Wood-Blocks-48mm-Turntable-Amp-Speaker-Isolation-Feet-Stand-Set-of-3-/271987997344
They are suppossed to make the sound better. I call BS but some people believe it. I also hear dof people putting their CDs in the freezer overnite to make them sound better. Shit gets real whacky.
UPDATE: Wait are you reffering to the AV Outs in the back? Those are for the AV cables to carry the analouge sound to the amp. Not sure what you mean by "pegs".
Just Google "sony playstation audiophile" images. There's a bunch out there.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rzFISVx1mXc/hqdefault.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9EJvrf22Hx8/hqdefault.jpg
http://retrogamesandhardware.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/...
Ok, can someone tell me why all of these modded SCPH-1001s for the audiophiles have one or two pegs added to the back of the cases? What's there purpose. Are they actually modding the internal electical hardware as well and somehow installing vacuum tubes?
Also, if anyone with electrical expertise wanted to get to the bottom of just how good one of these are, all they need to do is tear down a unit, make note of all related chips used on the device that relate to sound and then see where else Sony used those chips. As someone stated earlier, data is data. There is nothing special abour reading audio information from a disc, however, there can be a huge difference in whatever hardware translates the bits to analog waves.
I imagine Sony used some top-shelf items for hte PS1 for a couple reasons. One, they wanted people to actually buy and use this item. Doubling this unit as a video game/CD player combo was a good strategy, especially if they could market that you could either get a $300 CD player of equal quality or just get a PS1 at [insert launch price here.] Sony also did this with Blu-Ray and the PS3, and I recall a lot of people were also quite happy to use their PS2s as DVD players.
Since Sony has won every major format war since they started fighting any of them, putting quality components into their game units makes a lot of since. It solidifies the new format as a viable format (though the CD wasn't new when the PS1 came out) and it's also a little cheaper for Sony to do because they don't have to pay the licensing fees anyone else has to pay in order to use CDs within the hardware. I'm not at all surprised that the PS1 was a "top-notch" CD player, but I'd guess that it would be a unit that could have competed with the best you could find at a place like Best Buy, but not from some serious audio catalog or very-high-end audio shop.
Those are feet for the system to lay on. The world of audiophiles can get very strange, lol. I am not an expert but from what I can tell it seems that what the cd player "lays on" or "sits on" can make a diference on the sound. Don't ask me to explain how. Honestly I think some of this stuff is BS. Probably just a placebo effect. Take a look at these audiophile wood blocks to lay your CD player on:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Audiophi...
They are suppossed to make the sound better. I call BS but some people believe it. I also hear dof people putting their CDs in the freezer overnite to make them sound better. Shit gets real whacky.
UPDATE: Wait are you reffering to the AV Outs in the back? Those are for the AV cables to carry the analouge sound to the amp. Not sure what you mean by "pegs".
No, I meant the wood pegs that are on the top of the unit. Some of these example units have just one on the left-side (front facing) while other units have two on the back side, on the top of the unit. I think the wood blocks are what you're talking about and, yes, those are 100% BS (sorry if there is anyone here into this and uses wood blocks on electrical audio devices.)
I could possibly buy into this if this was for a record player since it's an analog player that works off of literal vibrations but there should be absolutely no noticable vibration when converting an digital signal to electric analog, which is what some form of wood block would damp. No, I'm not an audio guy buy I am a software dev whose had to dabble in electrical design. No amount of wood blocks is going to distrupt/distort the flow of electrons within the electronic chips and/or wires.
In fact, giving it a second thought, the only thing I can thing of that would make this justifiable (but I'm still 99.999% suspiscious) is that the disc drive causes vibrations that maybe/somehow, very-slightly distorts the signal within the digital-to-analog processor. Even that, though, seems a bit ridiculous and any change in signal would have to be so miniscule, it shouldn't be noticable. Damping blocks/pegs could, I guess, balance out the wabbles of they were strategically positioned but the amount of analysis that would have to go into the actual physical nature of the casing would be considerable.
Yeah, I'm just going to call BS. Hopeful, placebo BS.
I imagine Sony used some top-shelf items for hte PS1 for a couple reasons. One, they wanted people to actually buy and use this item. Doubling this unit as a video game/CD player combo was a good strategy, especially if they could market that you could either get a $300 CD player of equal quality or just get a PS1 at [insert launch price here.] Sony also did this with Blu-Ray and the PS3, and I recall a lot of people were also quite happy to use their PS2s as DVD players.
As one of the best selling game systems of all time, it's hard to argue that the PS2 was not single handedly responsible for boosting DVD popularity to where it went. They were released in 1997, I got my first player "early" in late 1999 and was literally the only person I knew with a DVD player. But by 2000-2001 everyone had a PS2 and because of it a stack of DVDs. Netflix helped a ton as well.
As one of the largest music and movie property owners, it has always been Sony's goal to cross-promote their products to be features on their "game" systems, and they've been ultra successful with their systems making DVD and Blu-ray hits. Not so much with Super Audio CDs.
Originally posted by: K.Thrower
Originally posted by: rlh
I imagine Sony used some top-shelf items for hte PS1 for a couple reasons. One, they wanted people to actually buy and use this item. Doubling this unit as a video game/CD player combo was a good strategy, especially if they could market that you could either get a $300 CD player of equal quality or just get a PS1 at [insert launch price here.] Sony also did this with Blu-Ray and the PS3, and I recall a lot of people were also quite happy to use their PS2s as DVD players.
As one of the best selling game systems of all time, it's hard to argue that the PS2 was not single handedly responsible for boosting DVD popularity to where it went. They were released in 1997, I got my first player "early" in late 1999 and was literally the only person I knew with a DVD player. But by 2000-2001 everyone had a PS2 and because of it a stack of DVDs. Netflix helped a ton as well.
As one of the largest music and movie property owners, it has always been Sony's goal to cross-promote their products to be features on their "game" systems, and they've been ultra successful with their systems making DVD and Blu-ray hits. Not so much with Super Audio CDs.
Yeah I often make this arguement when people debate why the PS2 beat the Dreamcast, it's like everyone has forgotten how important the letters D-V-D were to us back in the year 2000. NOBODY had a DVD player in the late 90s. You were very cutting edge if you did. The Playstation 2 single handedly brought DVD to the masses. I am certainly in the boat of people whose first CD player was a PS1 and first DVD player was a PS2.