Convert NES/SNES output to 480i?
Hi All,
I did an exhaustive search on Google and NA before posting this . I also read through the majority of the guide at retrogaming.hazard-city.de, and I don't see anything that would help me. I have a bunch of retro systems attached with RCA/composite cables to a couple selector switches. The switches then output to my Onkyo TX-NR636 receiver's RCA inputs. The receiver upscales and outputs via HDMI to my TV. The problem lies in my receiver. Apparently, it will only accept 480i via composite input, I confirmed with Onkyo. So only the PS2, some SEGA devices, etc that natively output in 480i will display via the HDMI. All my HDMI inputs are full, so a cheap composite to HDMI converter is literally my last option.
Things I've tried:
1) My DVDO iScan Plus will accept the signal, but I believe it converts to 480p, so it doesn't display through the receiver. The was with the VGA to component cable that came with it. I also tried a VGA to composite cable which didn't work.
2) My only solution was to run the output through a composite to COAX converter, then COAX diretly to the TV. This is a terrible solution, as COAX video is not great, and it's an extra cable.
3) I have the same issue with component inputs on the receiver; My Wii and XBOX must be set to output at 480i to be upscaled from component to HDMI. Else, I just run another component cable from receiver to TV, which is the same issue as before.
Things I'm considering:
1) Framemeister, though don't know it would solve my issue. And it's expensive
2) OSSC, though same issues as Framemeister
3)Pulling one of my HDMI inputs and getting a cheap RCA to HDMI converter.
4) My old receiver (Pioneer VSX-1120) had no issues upscaling composite to HDMI; seems Onkyo had removed it from all of their lines. Didn't realize this before I bought it . I would consider returning to it or another cheap receiver if it will get me where I need to go.
Does anybody have a solution? I'm not necessarily looking to upgrade the video quality (though it would be a great added bonus!)
I did an exhaustive search on Google and NA before posting this . I also read through the majority of the guide at retrogaming.hazard-city.de, and I don't see anything that would help me. I have a bunch of retro systems attached with RCA/composite cables to a couple selector switches. The switches then output to my Onkyo TX-NR636 receiver's RCA inputs. The receiver upscales and outputs via HDMI to my TV. The problem lies in my receiver. Apparently, it will only accept 480i via composite input, I confirmed with Onkyo. So only the PS2, some SEGA devices, etc that natively output in 480i will display via the HDMI. All my HDMI inputs are full, so a cheap composite to HDMI converter is literally my last option.
Things I've tried:
1) My DVDO iScan Plus will accept the signal, but I believe it converts to 480p, so it doesn't display through the receiver. The was with the VGA to component cable that came with it. I also tried a VGA to composite cable which didn't work.
2) My only solution was to run the output through a composite to COAX converter, then COAX diretly to the TV. This is a terrible solution, as COAX video is not great, and it's an extra cable.
3) I have the same issue with component inputs on the receiver; My Wii and XBOX must be set to output at 480i to be upscaled from component to HDMI. Else, I just run another component cable from receiver to TV, which is the same issue as before.
Things I'm considering:
1) Framemeister, though don't know it would solve my issue. And it's expensive
2) OSSC, though same issues as Framemeister
3)Pulling one of my HDMI inputs and getting a cheap RCA to HDMI converter.
4) My old receiver (Pioneer VSX-1120) had no issues upscaling composite to HDMI; seems Onkyo had removed it from all of their lines. Didn't realize this before I bought it . I would consider returning to it or another cheap receiver if it will get me where I need to go.
Does anybody have a solution? I'm not necessarily looking to upgrade the video quality (though it would be a great added bonus!)
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If you are thinking about getting a Framemeister, then just upgrade your NES to HDMI and get the new Analogue SNES Mini.
I don't WANT to shell out for the FM, I don't even think it will solve the problem. I'm not going to upgrade individual systems to HDMI, I'd sooner use my old receiver. And no one should ever buy a NES/SNES mini when the RPi option is far superior.
If you are thinking about getting a Framemeister, then just upgrade your NES to HDMI and get the new Analogue SNES Mini.
I don't WANT to shell out for the FM, I don't even think it will solve the problem. I'm not going to upgrade individual systems to HDMI, I'd sooner use my old receiver. And no one should ever buy a NES/SNES mini when the RPi option is far superior.
I totally disagree, as I grew up with the systems I would much rather play on a real system than a clone.
If you are thinking about getting a Framemeister, then just upgrade your NES to HDMI and get the new Analogue SNES Mini.
I don't WANT to shell out for the FM, I don't even think it will solve the problem. I'm not going to upgrade individual systems to HDMI, I'd sooner use my old receiver. And no one should ever buy a NES/SNES mini when the RPi option is far superior.
I totally disagree, as I grew up with the systems I would much rather play on a real system than a clone.
Maybe I misunderstood what you meant, as I also prefer to play on the original systems. Regardless, I prefer to keep composite output through my selector switches.
If you are thinking about getting a Framemeister, then just upgrade your NES to HDMI and get the new Analogue SNES Mini.
I don't WANT to shell out for the FM, I don't even think it will solve the problem. I'm not going to upgrade individual systems to HDMI, I'd sooner use my old receiver. And no one should ever buy a NES/SNES mini when the RPi option is far superior.
I totally disagree, as I grew up with the systems I would much rather play on a real system than a clone.
Maybe I misunderstood what you meant, as I also prefer to play on the original systems. Regardless, I prefer to keep composite output through my selector switches.
You said RPi, which I took to mean a Raspberry Pi. You should definitely upgrade your systems, if possible. The picture quality is amazing with very little lag, if any.
Hi All,I have a bunch of retro systems attached with RCA/composite cables to a couple selector switches. The switches then output to my Onkyo TX-NR636 receiver's RCA inputs. The receiver upscales and outputs via HDMI to my TV. The problem lies in my receiver. Apparently, it will only accept 480i via composite input, I confirmed with Onkyo. So only the PS2, some SEGA devices, etc that natively output in 480i will display via the HDMI. All my HDMI inputs are full, so a cheap composite to HDMI converter is literally my last option.
A DVD recorder may be able to do what you need it to do.
Hi All,I have a bunch of retro systems attached with RCA/composite cables to a couple selector switches. The switches then output to my Onkyo TX-NR636 receiver's RCA inputs. The receiver upscales and outputs via HDMI to my TV. The problem lies in my receiver. Apparently, it will only accept 480i via composite input, I confirmed with Onkyo. So only the PS2, some SEGA devices, etc that natively output in 480i will display via the HDMI. All my HDMI inputs are full, so a cheap composite to HDMI converter is literally my last option.
A DVD recorder may be able to do what you need it to do.
Care to explain?
Care to explain?
They have both composite and usually S-video (and very, very occasionally component) inputs and outputs, and at least some have reported to take a 240p signal. They pretty much across the board output 480i (as that's the resolution of DVDs.) You don't even need the DVD recording part to work, you just need the signal processors.
Check some of the audio/video forums, like AVSforums, and they should be able to guide you in the right direction.
Care to explain?
They have both composite and usually S-video (and very, very occasionally component) inputs and outputs, and at least some have reported to take a 240p signal. They pretty much across the board output 480i (as that's the resolution of DVDs.) You don't even need the DVD recording part to work, you just need the signal processors.
Check some of the audio/video forums, like AVSforums, and they should be able to guide you in the right direction.
That could work, I'll look into it. I thought it would be an easier solution than adding a dummy device in the chain. My old receiver is looking better each minute...
That could work, I'll look into it. I thought it would be an easier solution than adding a dummy device in the chain. My old receiver is looking better each minute...
There has to be some type of processor. Line doubler/deinterlacer somewhere in the signal chain. I hear you on Onkyos, love them, but they have quirks that are frustrating.
On the plus side, DVD recorders should be mad cheap nowadays.
The standard SNES, however, outputs RGB (unless you own a SNES Jr but that wasn't specified).
OSSC can directly upscale RGB to HDMI, eliminating the need to encode/decode composite.
3) I have the same issue with component inputs on the receiver; My Wii and XBOX must be set to output at 480i to be upscaled from component to HDMI. Else, I just run another component cable from receiver to TV, which is the same issue as before.
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4) My old receiver (Pioneer VSX-1120) had no issues upscaling composite to HDMI; seems Onkyo had removed it from all of their lines. Didn't realize this before I bought it . I would consider returning to it or another cheap receiver if it will get me where I need to go.
Does anybody have a solution? I'm not necessarily looking to upgrade the video quality (though it would be a great added bonus!)
I'd find a new receiver. I can understand the Onkyo not accepting 240p as that signal resolution was never a broadcast standard and is long dead, but not accepting 480p through component is ridiculous.
That receiver isn't using a shared component/composite input is it? Just wondering if there might be a setting you have to flip for it to accept 480p or something.
No regrets.
3) I have the same issue with component inputs on the receiver; My Wii and XBOX must be set to output at 480i to be upscaled from component to HDMI. Else, I just run another component cable from receiver to TV, which is the same issue as before.
....
4) My old receiver (Pioneer VSX-1120) had no issues upscaling composite to HDMI; seems Onkyo had removed it from all of their lines. Didn't realize this before I bought it . I would consider returning to it or another cheap receiver if it will get me where I need to go.
Does anybody have a solution? I'm not necessarily looking to upgrade the video quality (though it would be a great added bonus!)
I'd find a new receiver. I can understand the Onkyo not accepting 240p as that signal resolution was never a broadcast standard and is long dead, but not accepting 480p through component is ridiculous.
That receiver isn't using a shared component/composite input is it? Just wondering if there might be a setting you have to flip for it to accept 480p or something.
I have various parts and such arriving from Amazon, so I can try all of my options this weekend. I wouldn't mind another receiver, but I wouldn't know which to choose. As I said, my old Pioneer VSX-1120 worked fine in this instance (except for the headphone jack being weird), but don't know if there is a better option?
3) I have the same issue with component inputs on the receiver; My Wii and XBOX must be set to output at 480i to be upscaled from component to HDMI. Else, I just run another component cable from receiver to TV, which is the same issue as before.
....
4) My old receiver (Pioneer VSX-1120) had no issues upscaling composite to HDMI; seems Onkyo had removed it from all of their lines. Didn't realize this before I bought it . I would consider returning to it or another cheap receiver if it will get me where I need to go.
Does anybody have a solution? I'm not necessarily looking to upgrade the video quality (though it would be a great added bonus!)
I'd find a new receiver. I can understand the Onkyo not accepting 240p as that signal resolution was never a broadcast standard and is long dead, but not accepting 480p through component is ridiculous.
That receiver isn't using a shared component/composite input is it? Just wondering if there might be a setting you have to flip for it to accept 480p or something.
I have various parts and such arriving from Amazon, so I can try all of my options this weekend. I wouldn't mind another receiver, but I wouldn't know which to choose. As I said, my old Pioneer VSX-1120 worked fine in this instance (except for the headphone jack being weird), but don't know if there is a better option?
I'm afraid I'm not too knowledgable about A/V receivers. I do know Pioneer and Denon receivers have made use of Faroudja video processor chips which handle 240p/480i signals very well.
I'd recommend running over to the System11 forums: https://shmups.system11.org/ and ask if anyone over there can recommend a receiver. That shmup community is very knowledgable about upscaling. Someone there probably could give you a list of current receivers that can do a decent job upscaling 240p/480i signals.