I landed a PSIO and got my console modded and set up with the framemeister... no going back now. Hopefully there are some cool games, I like the preservation concept of these 'classic' consoles. Really wish Sega would do a legit Genesis Classic and not those crappy aftermarket ones.
So jealous! I had one preordered and cancelled. Who did the mod for you? I am probably just going to try and do it myself, but in case i mess up!
Cybdyn did the mod. I had to ship my console to Australia and back. It was a pain (....not really, it just took time and $). The PSIO was like $150 and the mod parts and labor another $25 or so + shipping. But it's so damn cool to plau PS1 from original hardware RGB cable through the Framemeister, it's so sharp. The only major downside (aside from no Light Gun games), there are a handful of games that have compatibility issues ranging from audio-syncing to 480i vs 240p settings for cut scenes. Not all the games play nice through the Framemestier. Still playing around with all the settings. A lot of the classic titles work great though, well worth it if you can get your hands on one, in my opinion.
What no guy in a crash bandicoot suit outside Nintendo of America?
If these can be hacked I'd get one
I am sure they can. But even so, how would adding new games work if the hdd/storage inside only has room for the games on it? Can the NES and SNES have their storage expanded? Or does the whole library fit on them because SNES and NES games are so small?
yeah nes games are very small so the library fits no problem, SNES are a bit bigger, you can't fit the whole library, but a large portion of it. I don't need tons of ps1 games, I just figure I'd rather choose the games myself because I can guarantee I won't care about several of the games they choose. Even if 20 games is the max just being able to use that space as I please is enough. It's an easy way to play ps1 on a new TV
What no guy in a crash bandicoot suit outside Nintendo of America?
If these can be hacked I'd get one
I am sure they can. But even so, how would adding new games work if the hdd/storage inside only has room for the games on it? Can the NES and SNES have their storage expanded? Or does the whole library fit on them because SNES and NES games are so small?
NES and SNES classics both have enough excess storage for a good chunk of the library, since the minimum practical memory chip is so large nowadays.
PS1 probably won't have that kind of excess.space if they are populating it with full ISO rips.
I think these mini systems are great, simply due to the portability and convenience. I only have the SNES mini right now, but I wanna get the NES mini and I will definitely pick this up too (if the full game list impresses... so far it is not enough to tip the scales, but just 1 or 2 more games I want to play and it will be a yes).
I don't play my SNES mini at home though, I take it to work to play during breaks. My gaming monitor is set up, all the cables are ready. All I have to do is plug the mini into the HDMI and USB and I'm away! Now, I will be able to choose which system to bring to work in the morning, and I won't have to alter my set-up at all, just choose NES, SNES or PS1 and it's simple plug and play! I love the simplicity here.
The portability is definitely the best part.
I take mine on work trips, since if I want to play a game at the hotel at night, I would much rather unwind with a controller in hand than trying to game on the same laptop I have stared at for the previous 12 hours...
I got excited...and then saw the price tag. Nope. Especially given there's only one game so far I'd want to play...and that's FFVII. I mean yes the full list isn't out...I get that. But like someone else in this thread said...wouldn't you lure people in with some "good" titles before telling people there's only 5 good games...and the rest are so-so/junk games? They're relying heavily on FFVII here.
I might pick one up...down the line if I find one used for cheap. But new? Naw.
I landed a PSIO and got my console modded and set up with the framemeister... no going back now. Hopefully there are some cool games, I like the preservation concept of these 'classic' consoles. Really wish Sega would do a legit Genesis Classic and not those crappy aftermarket ones.
So jealous! I had one preordered and cancelled. Who did the mod for you? I am probably just going to try and do it myself, but in case i mess up!
Cybdyn did the mod. I had to ship my console to Australia and back. It was a pain (....not really, it just took time and $). The PSIO was like $150 and the mod parts and labor another $25 or so + shipping. But it's so damn cool to plau PS1 from original hardware RGB cable through the Framemeister, it's so sharp. The only major downside (aside from no Light Gun games), there are a handful of games that have compatibility issues ranging from audio-syncing to 480i vs 240p settings for cut scenes. Not all the games play nice through the Framemestier. Still playing around with all the settings. A lot of the classic titles work great though, well worth it if you can get your hands on one, in my opinion.
PSX games played on a PS2 with components cables look pretty good, also.
I landed a PSIO and got my console modded and set up with the framemeister... no going back now. Hopefully there are some cool games, I like the preservation concept of these 'classic' consoles. Really wish Sega would do a legit Genesis Classic and not those crappy aftermarket ones.
So jealous! I had one preordered and cancelled. Who did the mod for you? I am probably just going to try and do it myself, but in case i mess up!
Cybdyn did the mod. I had to ship my console to Australia and back. It was a pain (....not really, it just took time and $). The PSIO was like $150 and the mod parts and labor another $25 or so + shipping. But it's so damn cool to plau PS1 from original hardware RGB cable through the Framemeister, it's so sharp. The only major downside (aside from no Light Gun games), there are a handful of games that have compatibility issues ranging from audio-syncing to 480i vs 240p settings for cut scenes. Not all the games play nice through the Framemestier. Still playing around with all the settings. A lot of the classic titles work great though, well worth it if you can get your hands on one, in my opinion.
PSX games played on a PS2 with components cables look pretty good, also.
I've heard and read about that being a good option and considered it. For me though then it's not PS1 hardware and I never really grew up playing PS2.
I got excited...and then saw the price tag. Nope. Especially given there's only one game so far I'd want to play...and that's FFVII. I mean yes the full list isn't out...I get that. But like someone else in this thread said...wouldn't you lure people in with some "good" titles before telling people there's only 5 good games...and the rest are so-so/junk games? They're relying heavily on FFVII here.
I might pick one up...down the line if I find one used for cheap. But new? Naw.
From your post, I am assuming you weren't raised with a ps1 and are a little younger. What games would you want to see?
Bushido Blade is the only PS1 game I care about. But they'd be dumb not to include Metal Gear Sold, Parappa the Rapper and Castlevania Symphony of the Night
What no guy in a crash bandicoot suit outside Nintendo of America?
If these can be hacked I'd get one
I am sure they can. But even so, how would adding new games work if the hdd/storage inside only has room for the games on it? Can the NES and SNES have their storage expanded? Or does the whole library fit on them because SNES and NES games are so small?
NES and SNES classics both have enough excess storage for a good chunk of the library, since the minimum practical memory chip is so large nowadays.
PS1 probably won't have that kind of excess.space if they are populating it with full ISO rips.
Yeah figured as much. I wonder if more memory could be added somehow
Bushido Blade is the only PS1 game I care about. But they'd be dumb not to include Metal Gear Sold, Parappa the Rapper and Castlevania Symphony of the Night
I've got a feeling that the fake parallel port cover is covering an expansion card slot and they will sell more games on something like an SD card, ala Neo Geo X Gold. It would probably be bundled with a Dual Shock controller in two volumes (buy both to get two controllers for 2p Dual Shock gaming).
I've got a feeling that the fake parallel port cover is covering an expansion card slot and they will sell more games on something like an SD card, ala Neo Geo X Gold. It would probably be bundled with a Dual Shock controller in two volumes (buy both to get two controllers for 2p Dual Shock gaming).
I mentioned earlier that the port on the back actually looked like it could be opened. I think most of us are assuming that the game library isn't expandable just because the Nintendo classics weren't. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if they went the route you are describing.
I've got a feeling that the fake parallel port cover is covering an expansion card slot and they will sell more games on something like an SD card, ala Neo Geo X Gold. It would probably be bundled with a Dual Shock controller in two volumes (buy both to get two controllers for 2p Dual Shock gaming).
I mentioned earlier that the port on the back actually looked like it could be opened. I think most of us are assuming that the game library isn't expandable just because the Nintendo classics weren't. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if they went the route you are describing.
It would make the most sense and they could release waves of games that way and make more money. But i assume that would be a nice gateway for hackers to load up the system for free. Unless they had some kind of security to keep that from happening.
I've got a feeling that the fake parallel port cover is covering an expansion card slot and they will sell more games on something like an SD card, ala Neo Geo X Gold. It would probably be bundled with a Dual Shock controller in two volumes (buy both to get two controllers for 2p Dual Shock gaming).
I mentioned earlier that the port on the back actually looked like it could be opened. I think most of us are assuming that the game library isn't expandable just because the Nintendo classics weren't. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if they went the route you are describing.
It would make the most sense and they could release waves of games that way and make more money. But i assume that would be a nice gateway for hackers to load up the system for free. Unless they had some kind of security to keep that from happening.
Well, they could try to develop some kind of security that prevents it from being hacked, or they could just accept the fact that it will happen anyway. They probably figure that regardless of it being hacked, they can still sell expansions to both people who aren't capable of hacking on their own, and to collectors who will buy anything officially licensed.
I've got a feeling that the fake parallel port cover is covering an expansion card slot and they will sell more games on something like an SD card, ala Neo Geo X Gold. It would probably be bundled with a Dual Shock controller in two volumes (buy both to get two controllers for 2p Dual Shock gaming).
I mentioned earlier that the port on the back actually looked like it could be opened. I think most of us are assuming that the game library isn't expandable just because the Nintendo classics weren't. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if they went the route you are describing.
It would make the most sense and they could release waves of games that way and make more money. But i assume that would be a nice gateway for hackers to load up the system for free. Unless they had some kind of security to keep that from happening.
Well, they could try to develop some kind of security that prevents it from being hacked, or they could just accept the fact that it will happen anyway. They probably figure that regardless of it being hacked, they can still sell expansions to both people who aren't capable of hacking on their own, and to collectors who will buy anything officially licensed.
Yup that is true. And i am sure it wouldn't cost much to manufacture them at all considering how cheap storage is now.
That's another reason to bundle the Dual Shock 2 controllers with Vol 1 and Vol 2 expansions: you have another reason to buy vs. pirate. Won't do you any good to pirate the same DualShock games they want to sell you if you still have to buy the controller.
Neo Geo X had some protection on their SD cards and they even bundled it with hardware (USB cable). IIRC, the pinout was non-standard and you had to use the cable to do something while installing he card which would ensure that it couldn't be installed to more than one system. Of course, people hacked it.
That’s why I originally related it to Neo Geo X. It also kinda explains why Sony went with the classic, non-analog controller to bundle with it.
Has anyone actual seen any info about expandable games? I swore it was posted by someone (maybe in this thread) that it was a fact, something about "virtual discs", however the way I read the product info is that the "virtual discs" is basically the act of selecting a different game within the UI. If this is expandable by design in any way, that severely heightens my interest.
That's another reason to bundle the Dual Shock 2 controllers with Vol 1 and Vol 2 expansions: you have another reason to buy vs. pirate. Won't do you any good to pirate the same DualShock games they want to sell you if you still have to buy the controller.
Neo Geo X had some protection on their SD cards and they even bundled it with hardware (USB cable). IIRC, the pinout was non-standard and you had to use the cable to do something while installing he card which would ensure that it couldn't be installed to more than one system. Of course, people hacked it.
That’s why I originally related it to Neo Geo X. It also kinda explains why Sony went with the classic, non-analog controller to bundle with it.
I definitely like where you are going with it, and I hope that happens.
And I'm pretty sure that the security on the Neo Geo X was to simply reverse two of the pins in the SD card slot. Not super sophisticated, but enough to prevent someone from inserting a standard SD card.
Has anyone actual seen any info about expandable games? I swore it was posted by someone (maybe in this thread) that it was a fact, something about "virtual discs", however the way I read the product info is that the "virtual discs" is basically the act of selecting a different game within the UI. If this is expandable by design in any way, that severely heightens my interest.
That's funny because I read it somewhere else as well, but I can't find it now. I've been reading through so many different threads on different forums and sites that I lost track. Unfortunately, I haven't found anything on an official release.
That's another reason to bundle the Dual Shock 2 controllers with Vol 1 and Vol 2 expansions: you have another reason to buy vs. pirate. Won't do you any good to pirate the same DualShock games they want to sell you if you still have to buy the controller.
Neo Geo X had some protection on their SD cards and they even bundled it with hardware (USB cable). IIRC, the pinout was non-standard and you had to use the cable to do something while installing he card which would ensure that it couldn't be installed to more than one system. Of course, people hacked it.
That’s why I originally related it to Neo Geo X. It also kinda explains why Sony went with the classic, non-analog controller to bundle with it.
I definitely like where you are going with it, and I hope that happens.
And I'm pretty sure that the security on the Neo Geo X was to simply reverse two of the pins in the SD card slot. Not super sophisticated, but enough to prevent someone from inserting a standard SD card.
The expandable games came with a "rocket cable" to upgrade the system. No idea if it was part of the copy protection or not, but was a little cable with a lump in it.
Has anyone actual seen any info about expandable games? I swore it was posted by someone (maybe in this thread) that it was a fact, something about "virtual discs", however the way I read the product info is that the "virtual discs" is basically the act of selecting a different game within the UI. If this is expandable by design in any way, that severely heightens my interest.
The “virtual discs” thing is for games like Final Fantasy VII (confirmed) and Metal Gear Solid. When the game tells you to insert disc 2 or 3 or whatever, you press the Eject button instead.
That's another reason to bundle the Dual Shock 2 controllers with Vol 1 and Vol 2 expansions: you have another reason to buy vs. pirate. Won't do you any good to pirate the same DualShock games they want to sell you if you still have to buy the controller.
Neo Geo X had some protection on their SD cards and they even bundled it with hardware (USB cable). IIRC, the pinout was non-standard and you had to use the cable to do something while installing he card which would ensure that it couldn't be installed to more than one system. Of course, people hacked it.
That’s why I originally related it to Neo Geo X. It also kinda explains why Sony went with the classic, non-analog controller to bundle with it.
I definitely like where you are going with it, and I hope that happens.
And I'm pretty sure that the security on the Neo Geo X was to simply reverse two of the pins in the SD card slot. Not super sophisticated, but enough to prevent someone from inserting a standard SD card.
The expandable games came with a "rocket cable" to upgrade the system. No idea if it was part of the copy protection or not, but was a little cable with a lump in it.
I'm fairly certain it wasn't. I'm trying to remember pretty far back, but I thought the cable was just for the update and charging the Neo Geo X outside of the dock, which for reasons that I'll never understand couldn't be done out of the original box.
I'm pretty sure that the reversed pins in the game card was all that they did for "security." I say that because there were instructions online where you could take a mini-SD adapter and use small wires to reverse the connection yourself which would allow you to insert any mini-SD card you wanted. From there it was just a matter of onstalling the needed program to hack it.
But again, there is a decent chance I'm remembering some of that wrong.
That's another reason to bundle the Dual Shock 2 controllers with Vol 1 and Vol 2 expansions: you have another reason to buy vs. pirate. Won't do you any good to pirate the same DualShock games they want to sell you if you still have to buy the controller.
Neo Geo X had some protection on their SD cards and they even bundled it with hardware (USB cable). IIRC, the pinout was non-standard and you had to use the cable to do something while installing he card which would ensure that it couldn't be installed to more than one system. Of course, people hacked it.
That’s why I originally related it to Neo Geo X. It also kinda explains why Sony went with the classic, non-analog controller to bundle with it.
I definitely like where you are going with it, and I hope that happens.
And I'm pretty sure that the security on the Neo Geo X was to simply reverse two of the pins in the SD card slot. Not super sophisticated, but enough to prevent someone from inserting a standard SD card.
The expandable games came with a "rocket cable" to upgrade the system. No idea if it was part of the copy protection or not, but was a little cable with a lump in it.
I'm fairly certain it wasn't. I'm trying to remember pretty far back, but I thought the cable was just for the update and charging the Neo Geo X outside of the dock, which for reasons that I'll never understand couldn't be done out of the original box.
I'm pretty sure that the reversed pins in the game card was all that they did for "security." I say that because there were instructions online where you could take a mini-SD adapter and use small wires to reverse the connection yourself which would allow you to insert any mini-SD card you wanted. From there it was just a matter of onstalling the needed program to hack it.
But again, there is a decent chance I'm remembering some of that wrong.
That’s what I meant by “non-standard pinout,” but I recall that the games were installed along with the update and the cable was a way to ensure that you couldn’t install it on multiple systems. I don’t know if they accomplished this by doing something with the “Secure” part of the “SecureDigital” standard or if it did it by deleting the original file after verifying installation or what.
Now, if these things are basically PlayStation TV inside a new shell, then they may do something completely different than I was suggesting with the Dual Shock controller+software expansion packs. If it is a PSTV then they might expect you to use a DualSock 3, 4, or SIXAXIS controller. It does mean that they’d have a non-standard card format they could use to discourage hacking/piracy.
I got excited...and then saw the price tag. Nope. Especially given there's only one game so far I'd want to play...and that's FFVII. I mean yes the full list isn't out...I get that. But like someone else in this thread said...wouldn't you lure people in with some "good" titles before telling people there's only 5 good games...and the rest are so-so/junk games? They're relying heavily on FFVII here.
I might pick one up...down the line if I find one used for cheap. But new? Naw.
From your post, I am assuming you weren't raised with a ps1 and are a little younger. What games would you want to see?
Ahaha...no. I was raised on a NES, born when the SNES came out and didn't get an PS1 until I was just starting to get bored of my N64.
Honestly Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, and Spyro would be nice to see. I didn't play fighting/driving games which is why the lineup looks so awful to me. Wild Arms is about the only other one that's decent other then FFVII of course.
I'm going off of the belief that they picked their best games for this teaser...and the junk games will be spilled later...once they have everyones pre-order lol.
For sure. Tekken 3 was a game changer when it came out. I'm not a huge fighting game person but even as late as 2004 we were still passing the sticks around on this one. To be able to side step, counter, cancel a move out, and then hit a long combo was so mind blowing. I would play this if my friends were around.
I think FF7 and Tekken 3 were their big names and the Wild Arms and Jumping Flash were them trying to be open minded or a little obscure. I'm not a racing guy so I can't speak to Ridge racer, but my friends all played Grand Turismo.
I don't know what it would be like playing RE after playing it on the GameCube. It would probably work for nonregular gamers.
If they put a little more pepper on their picks and keep this ratio of 2/2/1 it might work out.
PaRappa is mess even on CRTs, I can't imagine how anyone could beat it with emulator/LCD lag. I play Beatmania regularly and don't understand Parappa's timing. It would surely be the MTPO of this console if included.
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I landed a PSIO and got my console modded and set up with the framemeister... no going back now. Hopefully there are some cool games, I like the preservation concept of these 'classic' consoles. Really wish Sega would do a legit Genesis Classic and not those crappy aftermarket ones.
So jealous! I had one preordered and cancelled. Who did the mod for you? I am probably just going to try and do it myself, but in case i mess up!
Cybdyn did the mod. I had to ship my console to Australia and back. It was a pain (....not really, it just took time and $). The PSIO was like $150 and the mod parts and labor another $25 or so + shipping. But it's so damn cool to plau PS1 from original hardware RGB cable through the Framemeister, it's so sharp. The only major downside (aside from no Light Gun games), there are a handful of games that have compatibility issues ranging from audio-syncing to 480i vs 240p settings for cut scenes. Not all the games play nice through the Framemestier. Still playing around with all the settings. A lot of the classic titles work great though, well worth it if you can get your hands on one, in my opinion.
What no guy in a crash bandicoot suit outside Nintendo of America?
If these can be hacked I'd get one
I am sure they can. But even so, how would adding new games work if the hdd/storage inside only has room for the games on it? Can the NES and SNES have their storage expanded? Or does the whole library fit on them because SNES and NES games are so small?
yeah nes games are very small so the library fits no problem, SNES are a bit bigger, you can't fit the whole library, but a large portion of it. I don't need tons of ps1 games, I just figure I'd rather choose the games myself because I can guarantee I won't care about several of the games they choose. Even if 20 games is the max just being able to use that space as I please is enough. It's an easy way to play ps1 on a new TV
What no guy in a crash bandicoot suit outside Nintendo of America?
If these can be hacked I'd get one
I am sure they can. But even so, how would adding new games work if the hdd/storage inside only has room for the games on it? Can the NES and SNES have their storage expanded? Or does the whole library fit on them because SNES and NES games are so small?
NES and SNES classics both have enough excess storage for a good chunk of the library, since the minimum practical memory chip is so large nowadays.
PS1 probably won't have that kind of excess.space if they are populating it with full ISO rips.
I think these mini systems are great, simply due to the portability and convenience. I only have the SNES mini right now, but I wanna get the NES mini and I will definitely pick this up too (if the full game list impresses... so far it is not enough to tip the scales, but just 1 or 2 more games I want to play and it will be a yes).
I don't play my SNES mini at home though, I take it to work to play during breaks. My gaming monitor is set up, all the cables are ready. All I have to do is plug the mini into the HDMI and USB and I'm away! Now, I will be able to choose which system to bring to work in the morning, and I won't have to alter my set-up at all, just choose NES, SNES or PS1 and it's simple plug and play! I love the simplicity here.
The portability is definitely the best part.
I take mine on work trips, since if I want to play a game at the hotel at night, I would much rather unwind with a controller in hand than trying to game on the same laptop I have stared at for the previous 12 hours...
I might pick one up...down the line if I find one used for cheap. But new? Naw.
I landed a PSIO and got my console modded and set up with the framemeister... no going back now. Hopefully there are some cool games, I like the preservation concept of these 'classic' consoles. Really wish Sega would do a legit Genesis Classic and not those crappy aftermarket ones.
So jealous! I had one preordered and cancelled. Who did the mod for you? I am probably just going to try and do it myself, but in case i mess up!
Cybdyn did the mod. I had to ship my console to Australia and back. It was a pain (....not really, it just took time and $). The PSIO was like $150 and the mod parts and labor another $25 or so + shipping. But it's so damn cool to plau PS1 from original hardware RGB cable through the Framemeister, it's so sharp. The only major downside (aside from no Light Gun games), there are a handful of games that have compatibility issues ranging from audio-syncing to 480i vs 240p settings for cut scenes. Not all the games play nice through the Framemestier. Still playing around with all the settings. A lot of the classic titles work great though, well worth it if you can get your hands on one, in my opinion.
PSX games played on a PS2 with components cables look pretty good, also.
I landed a PSIO and got my console modded and set up with the framemeister... no going back now. Hopefully there are some cool games, I like the preservation concept of these 'classic' consoles. Really wish Sega would do a legit Genesis Classic and not those crappy aftermarket ones.
So jealous! I had one preordered and cancelled. Who did the mod for you? I am probably just going to try and do it myself, but in case i mess up!
Cybdyn did the mod. I had to ship my console to Australia and back. It was a pain (....not really, it just took time and $). The PSIO was like $150 and the mod parts and labor another $25 or so + shipping. But it's so damn cool to plau PS1 from original hardware RGB cable through the Framemeister, it's so sharp. The only major downside (aside from no Light Gun games), there are a handful of games that have compatibility issues ranging from audio-syncing to 480i vs 240p settings for cut scenes. Not all the games play nice through the Framemestier. Still playing around with all the settings. A lot of the classic titles work great though, well worth it if you can get your hands on one, in my opinion.
PSX games played on a PS2 with components cables look pretty good, also.
I've heard and read about that being a good option and considered it. For me though then it's not PS1 hardware and I never really grew up playing PS2.
I got excited...and then saw the price tag. Nope. Especially given there's only one game so far I'd want to play...and that's FFVII. I mean yes the full list isn't out...I get that. But like someone else in this thread said...wouldn't you lure people in with some "good" titles before telling people there's only 5 good games...and the rest are so-so/junk games? They're relying heavily on FFVII here.
I might pick one up...down the line if I find one used for cheap. But new? Naw.
From your post, I am assuming you weren't raised with a ps1 and are a little younger. What games would you want to see?
Final Fantasy VII
Wild Arms
Tekken 3
Jumping Flash
Wipeout XL
Metal Gear Solid
Resident Evil 2
Tomb Raider
Parappa
SotN
Jet Motp 2
Coolboarders 2
Syphon Filter
Spyro
Crash
Medieval
Twisted Metal 2
Battle Arena Toshinden
Warhawk
Ridge Racer Type 4
What no guy in a crash bandicoot suit outside Nintendo of America?
If these can be hacked I'd get one
I am sure they can. But even so, how would adding new games work if the hdd/storage inside only has room for the games on it? Can the NES and SNES have their storage expanded? Or does the whole library fit on them because SNES and NES games are so small?
NES and SNES classics both have enough excess storage for a good chunk of the library, since the minimum practical memory chip is so large nowadays.
PS1 probably won't have that kind of excess.space if they are populating it with full ISO rips.
Yeah figured as much. I wonder if more memory could be added somehow
Bushido Blade is the only PS1 game I care about. But they'd be dumb not to include Metal Gear Sold, Parappa the Rapper and Castlevania Symphony of the Night
bushido blade would be a fantastic choice
I've got a feeling that the fake parallel port cover is covering an expansion card slot and they will sell more games on something like an SD card, ala Neo Geo X Gold. It would probably be bundled with a Dual Shock controller in two volumes (buy both to get two controllers for 2p Dual Shock gaming).
I mentioned earlier that the port on the back actually looked like it could be opened. I think most of us are assuming that the game library isn't expandable just because the Nintendo classics weren't. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if they went the route you are describing.
I've got a feeling that the fake parallel port cover is covering an expansion card slot and they will sell more games on something like an SD card, ala Neo Geo X Gold. It would probably be bundled with a Dual Shock controller in two volumes (buy both to get two controllers for 2p Dual Shock gaming).
I mentioned earlier that the port on the back actually looked like it could be opened. I think most of us are assuming that the game library isn't expandable just because the Nintendo classics weren't. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if they went the route you are describing.
It would make the most sense and they could release waves of games that way and make more money. But i assume that would be a nice gateway for hackers to load up the system for free. Unless they had some kind of security to keep that from happening.
I've got a feeling that the fake parallel port cover is covering an expansion card slot and they will sell more games on something like an SD card, ala Neo Geo X Gold. It would probably be bundled with a Dual Shock controller in two volumes (buy both to get two controllers for 2p Dual Shock gaming).
I mentioned earlier that the port on the back actually looked like it could be opened. I think most of us are assuming that the game library isn't expandable just because the Nintendo classics weren't. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if they went the route you are describing.
It would make the most sense and they could release waves of games that way and make more money. But i assume that would be a nice gateway for hackers to load up the system for free. Unless they had some kind of security to keep that from happening.
Well, they could try to develop some kind of security that prevents it from being hacked, or they could just accept the fact that it will happen anyway. They probably figure that regardless of it being hacked, they can still sell expansions to both people who aren't capable of hacking on their own, and to collectors who will buy anything officially licensed.
I've got a feeling that the fake parallel port cover is covering an expansion card slot and they will sell more games on something like an SD card, ala Neo Geo X Gold. It would probably be bundled with a Dual Shock controller in two volumes (buy both to get two controllers for 2p Dual Shock gaming).
I mentioned earlier that the port on the back actually looked like it could be opened. I think most of us are assuming that the game library isn't expandable just because the Nintendo classics weren't. I honestly wouldn't be that surprised if they went the route you are describing.
It would make the most sense and they could release waves of games that way and make more money. But i assume that would be a nice gateway for hackers to load up the system for free. Unless they had some kind of security to keep that from happening.
Well, they could try to develop some kind of security that prevents it from being hacked, or they could just accept the fact that it will happen anyway. They probably figure that regardless of it being hacked, they can still sell expansions to both people who aren't capable of hacking on their own, and to collectors who will buy anything officially licensed.
Yup that is true. And i am sure it wouldn't cost much to manufacture them at all considering how cheap storage is now.
Neo Geo X had some protection on their SD cards and they even bundled it with hardware (USB cable). IIRC, the pinout was non-standard and you had to use the cable to do something while installing he card which would ensure that it couldn't be installed to more than one system. Of course, people hacked it.
That’s why I originally related it to Neo Geo X. It also kinda explains why Sony went with the classic, non-analog controller to bundle with it.
That's another reason to bundle the Dual Shock 2 controllers with Vol 1 and Vol 2 expansions: you have another reason to buy vs. pirate. Won't do you any good to pirate the same DualShock games they want to sell you if you still have to buy the controller.
Neo Geo X had some protection on their SD cards and they even bundled it with hardware (USB cable). IIRC, the pinout was non-standard and you had to use the cable to do something while installing he card which would ensure that it couldn't be installed to more than one system. Of course, people hacked it.
That’s why I originally related it to Neo Geo X. It also kinda explains why Sony went with the classic, non-analog controller to bundle with it.
I definitely like where you are going with it, and I hope that happens.
And I'm pretty sure that the security on the Neo Geo X was to simply reverse two of the pins in the SD card slot. Not super sophisticated, but enough to prevent someone from inserting a standard SD card.
Has anyone actual seen any info about expandable games? I swore it was posted by someone (maybe in this thread) that it was a fact, something about "virtual discs", however the way I read the product info is that the "virtual discs" is basically the act of selecting a different game within the UI. If this is expandable by design in any way, that severely heightens my interest.
That's funny because I read it somewhere else as well, but I can't find it now. I've been reading through so many different threads on different forums and sites that I lost track. Unfortunately, I haven't found anything on an official release.
That's another reason to bundle the Dual Shock 2 controllers with Vol 1 and Vol 2 expansions: you have another reason to buy vs. pirate. Won't do you any good to pirate the same DualShock games they want to sell you if you still have to buy the controller.
Neo Geo X had some protection on their SD cards and they even bundled it with hardware (USB cable). IIRC, the pinout was non-standard and you had to use the cable to do something while installing he card which would ensure that it couldn't be installed to more than one system. Of course, people hacked it.
That’s why I originally related it to Neo Geo X. It also kinda explains why Sony went with the classic, non-analog controller to bundle with it.
I definitely like where you are going with it, and I hope that happens.
And I'm pretty sure that the security on the Neo Geo X was to simply reverse two of the pins in the SD card slot. Not super sophisticated, but enough to prevent someone from inserting a standard SD card.
The expandable games came with a "rocket cable" to upgrade the system. No idea if it was part of the copy protection or not, but was a little cable with a lump in it.
Has anyone actual seen any info about expandable games? I swore it was posted by someone (maybe in this thread) that it was a fact, something about "virtual discs", however the way I read the product info is that the "virtual discs" is basically the act of selecting a different game within the UI. If this is expandable by design in any way, that severely heightens my interest.
The “virtual discs” thing is for games like Final Fantasy VII (confirmed) and Metal Gear Solid. When the game tells you to insert disc 2 or 3 or whatever, you press the Eject button instead.
That's another reason to bundle the Dual Shock 2 controllers with Vol 1 and Vol 2 expansions: you have another reason to buy vs. pirate. Won't do you any good to pirate the same DualShock games they want to sell you if you still have to buy the controller.
Neo Geo X had some protection on their SD cards and they even bundled it with hardware (USB cable). IIRC, the pinout was non-standard and you had to use the cable to do something while installing he card which would ensure that it couldn't be installed to more than one system. Of course, people hacked it.
That’s why I originally related it to Neo Geo X. It also kinda explains why Sony went with the classic, non-analog controller to bundle with it.
I definitely like where you are going with it, and I hope that happens.
And I'm pretty sure that the security on the Neo Geo X was to simply reverse two of the pins in the SD card slot. Not super sophisticated, but enough to prevent someone from inserting a standard SD card.
The expandable games came with a "rocket cable" to upgrade the system. No idea if it was part of the copy protection or not, but was a little cable with a lump in it.
I'm fairly certain it wasn't. I'm trying to remember pretty far back, but I thought the cable was just for the update and charging the Neo Geo X outside of the dock, which for reasons that I'll never understand couldn't be done out of the original box.
I'm pretty sure that the reversed pins in the game card was all that they did for "security." I say that because there were instructions online where you could take a mini-SD adapter and use small wires to reverse the connection yourself which would allow you to insert any mini-SD card you wanted. From there it was just a matter of onstalling the needed program to hack it.
But again, there is a decent chance I'm remembering some of that wrong.
That's another reason to bundle the Dual Shock 2 controllers with Vol 1 and Vol 2 expansions: you have another reason to buy vs. pirate. Won't do you any good to pirate the same DualShock games they want to sell you if you still have to buy the controller.
Neo Geo X had some protection on their SD cards and they even bundled it with hardware (USB cable). IIRC, the pinout was non-standard and you had to use the cable to do something while installing he card which would ensure that it couldn't be installed to more than one system. Of course, people hacked it.
That’s why I originally related it to Neo Geo X. It also kinda explains why Sony went with the classic, non-analog controller to bundle with it.
I definitely like where you are going with it, and I hope that happens.
And I'm pretty sure that the security on the Neo Geo X was to simply reverse two of the pins in the SD card slot. Not super sophisticated, but enough to prevent someone from inserting a standard SD card.
The expandable games came with a "rocket cable" to upgrade the system. No idea if it was part of the copy protection or not, but was a little cable with a lump in it.
I'm fairly certain it wasn't. I'm trying to remember pretty far back, but I thought the cable was just for the update and charging the Neo Geo X outside of the dock, which for reasons that I'll never understand couldn't be done out of the original box.
I'm pretty sure that the reversed pins in the game card was all that they did for "security." I say that because there were instructions online where you could take a mini-SD adapter and use small wires to reverse the connection yourself which would allow you to insert any mini-SD card you wanted. From there it was just a matter of onstalling the needed program to hack it.
But again, there is a decent chance I'm remembering some of that wrong.
That’s what I meant by “non-standard pinout,” but I recall that the games were installed along with the update and the cable was a way to ensure that you couldn’t install it on multiple systems. I don’t know if they accomplished this by doing something with the “Secure” part of the “SecureDigital” standard or if it did it by deleting the original file after verifying installation or what.
Now, if these things are basically PlayStation TV inside a new shell, then they may do something completely different than I was suggesting with the Dual Shock controller+software expansion packs. If it is a PSTV then they might expect you to use a DualSock 3, 4, or SIXAXIS controller. It does mean that they’d have a non-standard card format they could use to discourage hacking/piracy.
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I got excited...and then saw the price tag. Nope. Especially given there's only one game so far I'd want to play...and that's FFVII. I mean yes the full list isn't out...I get that. But like someone else in this thread said...wouldn't you lure people in with some "good" titles before telling people there's only 5 good games...and the rest are so-so/junk games? They're relying heavily on FFVII here.
I might pick one up...down the line if I find one used for cheap. But new? Naw.
From your post, I am assuming you weren't raised with a ps1 and are a little younger. What games would you want to see?
Ahaha...no. I was raised on a NES, born when the SNES came out and didn't get an PS1 until I was just starting to get bored of my N64.
Honestly Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, and Spyro would be nice to see. I didn't play fighting/driving games which is why the lineup looks so awful to me. Wild Arms is about the only other one that's decent other then FFVII of course.
I'm going off of the belief that they picked their best games for this teaser...and the junk games will be spilled later...once they have everyones pre-order lol.
I think FF7 and Tekken 3 were their big names and the Wild Arms and Jumping Flash were them trying to be open minded or a little obscure. I'm not a racing guy so I can't speak to Ridge racer, but my friends all played Grand Turismo.
I don't know what it would be like playing RE after playing it on the GameCube. It would probably work for nonregular gamers.
If they put a little more pepper on their picks and keep this ratio of 2/2/1 it might work out.
According to GV the top 50 PS1 game prices (disc only).
1. Team Buddies
2. Suikoden II
3. Persona: Revelations Series
4. Misadventures of Tron Bonne
5. Tail Concerto
6. Valkyrie Profile
7. Brigandine: The Legend of Forsena
8. Adventures of Lomax
9. Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
10. Jojo's Bizarre Adventure
11. Klonoa: Door to Phantomile
12. Batman Forever: The Arcade Game
13. Tales of Destiny
14. Tales of Destiny II
15. Tomba!
16. Shadow Tower
17. Einhander
18. Namco Museum Vol.5
19. X-Men: Children of the Atom
20. R-Type Delta
21. Clock Tower II: The Struggle Within
22. Clock Tower
23. X-Men vs. Street Fighter
24. Castlevania Chronicles
25. Koudelka
26. Tomba! 2: The Evil Swine Return
27. Pink Panther: Pinkadelic Pursuit
28. Bust A Groove 2
29. Vanark
30. Mega Man Legends 2
31. Silent Bomber
32. Thousand Arms
33. Poy Poy
34. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
35. Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter
36. Diablo
37. Tactics Ogre
38. Starblade Alpha
39. Elemental Gearbolt
40. Thunder Force V: Perfect System
41.
42. Herc's Adventures
43. Konami Arcade Classics
44. Marvel vs. Capcom: Clash of the Super Heroes
45. Bust A Groove
46. Alundra
47. In The Hunt
48. Samurai Shodown: Warriors Rage
49. Raycrisis: Series Termination
50. Psychic Force