You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
So no. You don't have any proof of "retro-style" being the originating term of the stand alone word retro.
The problem with correcting people with "That's not how english works" style arguments, is that's how a language evolves. People start using works and new and different ways, and suddenly the words "Cool" and "Hot" gain new meanings.
Agreed. The English language has changed too much that I think trying to "prevent it" from changing by being the grammar police, word police, etc. is not going to get anyone very far. Meanings evolve over time, period, just have to learn to accept it and move on.
I personally would love to restore the English language back to its historical roots, replacing French and Latin-based words with their modern Icelandic equivalents, alongside obsolete Anglo Saxan words. Anyone else here with me? Maybe we could do a NA thing, a introduce a new word (and forbid an old one) each week, for a year.
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
So no. You don't have any proof of "retro-style" being the originating term of the stand alone word retro.
I deliberately chose to use an expanded version of that term to distinguish it from other usages including the current one that started this topic. I couldn't be more blatant/obvious about that. Are you really trying to use my wordiness against me? A word like this can (and does) have multiple origins. For example, you said it came from French when only one use came from French and the other came from Latin. Trying to pigeonhole it based on "retro-style" not having an entry together in the dictionary is a little strange to me and completely beside the point.
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
So no. You don't have any proof of "retro-style" being the originating term of the stand alone word retro.
I deliberately chose to use an expanded version of that term to distinguish it from other usages including the current one that started this topic. I couldn't be more blatant/obvious about that. Are you really trying to use my wordiness against me? A word like this can (and does) have multiple origins. For example, you said it came from French when only one use came from French and the other came from Latin. Trying to pigeonhole it based on "retro-style" not having an entry together in the dictionary is a little strange to me and completely beside the point.
You're the one that said it was phased out of dictionary and dropped a hyphen. I'm just pointing out that you totally pulled that "fact" out of your butt. Unless source?
Retro is an adjective used to describe something of, related to, or imitating a style of the past. Therefore both NES games and modern games that look like NES games can be considered retro.
Retro is an adjective used to describe something of, related to, or imitating a style of the past. Therefore both NES games and modern games that look like NES games can be considered retro.
Problem is that the "of" definition isn't in the dictionary yet and some people are fighting that logical usage despite it fitting the definition of the prefix that predates its use as a word.
Pfft. People. Am I right? I'm right.
I can see why people would resist considering that one meaning indicated something modern and one indicates something old and it seems like the meaning contradict each other, but that just means that they are forgetting that the prefix could always go either way depending on what it was paired with (for example, "retro-style" vs. "retro-vintage").
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
So no. You don't have any proof of "retro-style" being the originating term of the stand alone word retro.
I deliberately chose to use an expanded version of that term to distinguish it from other usages including the current one that started this topic. I couldn't be more blatant/obvious about that. Are you really trying to use my wordiness against me? A word like this can (and does) have multiple origins. For example, you said it came from French when only one use came from French and the other came from Latin. Trying to pigeonhole it based on "retro-style" not having an entry together in the dictionary is a little strange to me and completely beside the point.
You're the one that said it was phased out of dictionary and dropped a hyphen. I'm just pointing out that you totally pulled that "fact" out of your butt. Unless source?
LOL! So THAT'S your angle. I never said nor thought it was in the dictionary and then dropped from the dictionary. The hyphen retains the prefix definition of "retro-" which absolutely was (and still is) in the dictionary while combining it with any other word you want. Is the dictionary also supposed to have every word combination and every prefix+word combination?
People say "the hotness" too but you aren't going to find that in the dictionary. Does that mean it has no meaning?
OK, don't answer that, but know that every single entry in the dictionary had meaning and usage BEFORE it was in the dictionary and that using them in structured language gives them additional meaning. I think blue cheese smells like smooshed ants. I would describe the smell as "ant-like." Unless "ant-like" becomes a common-enough use of those words to be understood as a word of its own without the hyphen, you aren't going to find "ant-like" in the dictionary. Does that mean "ant-like" has no meaning and is improper? Not at all. What's next? Can't use whole paragraphs that don't have an entry in the dictionary?
Let's not forget that both "retro-" and "style" DO have entries in the dictionary and have since before "retro" alone ever did so anyone who sees "retro-style" absolutely could look up the meaning to verify. They could look up any combination of the prefix with another valid word to see that it means [before/back]-[whatever word]. The dictionary 100% supports my usage.
100%
Family Computer isn't in the dictionary either. Does that mean Family Computer or Famicom doesn't have meaning? Should they have waited until "Family Computer" was in some future dictionary before shortening it so that someone in the future wouldn't senselessly dispute the origin/meaning based on this?
Retro is an adjective used to describe something of, related to, or imitating a style of the past. Therefore both NES games and modern games that look like NES games can be considered retro.
Problem is that the "of" definition isn't in the dictionary yet and some people are fighting that logical usage despite it fitting the definition of the prefix that predates its use as a word.
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
So no. You don't have any proof of "retro-style" being the originating term of the stand alone word retro.
I deliberately chose to use an expanded version of that term to distinguish it from other usages including the current one that started this topic. I couldn't be more blatant/obvious about that. Are you really trying to use my wordiness against me? A word like this can (and does) have multiple origins. For example, you said it came from French when only one use came from French and the other came from Latin. Trying to pigeonhole it based on "retro-style" not having an entry together in the dictionary is a little strange to me and completely beside the point.
If it came from French, it ultimately came from Latin, period. French, Spanish, Romanian...they all come from Latin, basically are Latin butchered beyond all repair. Those languages are much more similar to each other than German and Plattdeutsch, Koelsch, Swiss German, etc, yet the latter are all considered dialects of one (German) language and the others as separate entities. So when I hear about one coming from French and the other from Latin, well...yeah, they all came from the same language basically. Not really much room to argue.
1974, from French rétro (1973), supposedly first used of a revival c. 1968 of Eva Peron-inspired fashions and short for rétrograde (see retrograde). There is an isolated use in English from 1768, and the word apparently was used in 19c. French as a term in billiards. As a noun, short for retro-rocket (1948) from 1961.
Most other places that mention etymology of words don't even give you that much info, because most placed hardly count it as a word. As a stand along word, it was used as a shortened form of retro-rocket and retrograde, the second one being coined as a phrase by the fashion industry.
A couple of signs I'm getting old...apparently in my state a vehicle needs to be at least 40 to qualify for an antique or historic auto plate (I forget which one)...and on Music Choice's "Classic Country" channel it's starting to include some songs I grew up listening to! Apparently 25 years is the cutoff for that channel.
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You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
you mean a retro dictionary?
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
probably not. He just likes to keep harping on it though.
I would like to see these two dudes face off in a discussion over the meaning of life. Heads would explode.
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
retro-
prefix ret·ro
Simple Definition of retro-
* : backward : back
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retro
Full Definition of retro-
* 1 : backward : back
* 2 : situated behind
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
retro-
prefix ret·ro
Simple Definition of retro-
* : backward : back
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/di...
Full Definition of retro-
* 1 : backward : back
* 2 : situated behind
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
So no. You don't have any proof of "retro-style" being the originating term of the stand alone word retro.
The problem with correcting people with "That's not how english works" style arguments, is that's how a language evolves. People start using works and new and different ways, and suddenly the words "Cool" and "Hot" gain new meanings.
Agreed. The English language has changed too much that I think trying to "prevent it" from changing by being the grammar police, word police, etc. is not going to get anyone very far. Meanings evolve over time, period, just have to learn to accept it and move on.
I personally would love to restore the English language back to its historical roots, replacing French and Latin-based words with their modern Icelandic equivalents, alongside obsolete Anglo Saxan words. Anyone else here with me? Maybe we could do a NA thing, a introduce a new word (and forbid an old one) each week, for a year.
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
retro-
prefix ret·ro
Simple Definition of retro-
* : backward : back
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retro
Full Definition of retro-
* 1 : backward : back
* 2 : situated behind
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
So no. You don't have any proof of "retro-style" being the originating term of the stand alone word retro.
I deliberately chose to use an expanded version of that term to distinguish it from other usages including the current one that started this topic. I couldn't be more blatant/obvious about that. Are you really trying to use my wordiness against me? A word like this can (and does) have multiple origins. For example, you said it came from French when only one use came from French and the other came from Latin. Trying to pigeonhole it based on "retro-style" not having an entry together in the dictionary is a little strange to me and completely beside the point.
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
retro-
prefix ret·ro
Simple Definition of retro-
* : backward : back
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retro
Full Definition of retro-
* 1 : backward : back
* 2 : situated behind
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
So no. You don't have any proof of "retro-style" being the originating term of the stand alone word retro.
I deliberately chose to use an expanded version of that term to distinguish it from other usages including the current one that started this topic. I couldn't be more blatant/obvious about that. Are you really trying to use my wordiness against me? A word like this can (and does) have multiple origins. For example, you said it came from French when only one use came from French and the other came from Latin. Trying to pigeonhole it based on "retro-style" not having an entry together in the dictionary is a little strange to me and completely beside the point.
You're the one that said it was phased out of dictionary and dropped a hyphen. I'm just pointing out that you totally pulled that "fact" out of your butt. Unless source?
Retro is an adjective used to describe something of, related to, or imitating a style of the past. Therefore both NES games and modern games that look like NES games can be considered retro.
Problem is that the "of" definition isn't in the dictionary yet and some people are fighting that logical usage despite it fitting the definition of the prefix that predates its use as a word.
Pfft. People. Am I right? I'm right.
I can see why people would resist considering that one meaning indicated something modern and one indicates something old and it seems like the meaning contradict each other, but that just means that they are forgetting that the prefix could always go either way depending on what it was paired with (for example, "retro-style" vs. "retro-vintage").
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
retro-
prefix ret·ro
Simple Definition of retro-
* : backward : back
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retro
Full Definition of retro-
* 1 : backward : back
* 2 : situated behind
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
So no. You don't have any proof of "retro-style" being the originating term of the stand alone word retro.
I deliberately chose to use an expanded version of that term to distinguish it from other usages including the current one that started this topic. I couldn't be more blatant/obvious about that. Are you really trying to use my wordiness against me? A word like this can (and does) have multiple origins. For example, you said it came from French when only one use came from French and the other came from Latin. Trying to pigeonhole it based on "retro-style" not having an entry together in the dictionary is a little strange to me and completely beside the point.
You're the one that said it was phased out of dictionary and dropped a hyphen. I'm just pointing out that you totally pulled that "fact" out of your butt. Unless source?
LOL! So THAT'S your angle. I never said nor thought it was in the dictionary and then dropped from the dictionary. The hyphen retains the prefix definition of "retro-" which absolutely was (and still is) in the dictionary while combining it with any other word you want. Is the dictionary also supposed to have every word combination and every prefix+word combination?
People say "the hotness" too but you aren't going to find that in the dictionary. Does that mean it has no meaning?
OK, don't answer that, but know that every single entry in the dictionary had meaning and usage BEFORE it was in the dictionary and that using them in structured language gives them additional meaning. I think blue cheese smells like smooshed ants. I would describe the smell as "ant-like." Unless "ant-like" becomes a common-enough use of those words to be understood as a word of its own without the hyphen, you aren't going to find "ant-like" in the dictionary. Does that mean "ant-like" has no meaning and is improper? Not at all. What's next? Can't use whole paragraphs that don't have an entry in the dictionary?
Let's not forget that both "retro-" and "style" DO have entries in the dictionary and have since before "retro" alone ever did so anyone who sees "retro-style" absolutely could look up the meaning to verify. They could look up any combination of the prefix with another valid word to see that it means [before/back]-[whatever word]. The dictionary 100% supports my usage.
100%
Family Computer isn't in the dictionary either. Does that mean Family Computer or Famicom doesn't have meaning? Should they have waited until "Family Computer" was in some future dictionary before shortening it so that someone in the future wouldn't senselessly dispute the origin/meaning based on this?
Retro is an adjective used to describe something of, related to, or imitating a style of the past. Therefore both NES games and modern games that look like NES games can be considered retro.
Problem is that the "of" definition isn't in the dictionary yet and some people are fighting that logical usage despite it fitting the definition of the prefix that predates its use as a word.
It depends on which dictionary we're reading.
It's in these dictionaries:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retro
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/retro
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/retro
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/retro
https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/search.html?q=retro
http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/retro_1
http://www.yourdictionary.com/retro
It's not in these dictionaries:
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/retro
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/american/retro_1
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/retro
You got an old school dictionary source for retro-style?
That's like asking me for a dictionary entry for retro-car or retro-music or retro-gaming. As I already pointed out, "Retro-" has a dictionary entry as a prefix:
retro-
prefix ret·ro
Simple Definition of retro-
* : backward : back
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/retro
Full Definition of retro-
* 1 : backward : back
* 2 : situated behind
When a certain hyphenated usage becomes prevalent and understanding of it increases it is often accepted as a word without the hyphen, like unbox, undo, and (increasingly) "retrogaming." Not everything that get's hyphenated get's a dictionary entry because once they are common enough combinations the hyphen gets dropped. In the case of "retro-style," "style" is often assumed and left out. It isn't that much different if I ask my brother to "please hand me my glass of water" (the subject, you, is understood and left out).
So no. You don't have any proof of "retro-style" being the originating term of the stand alone word retro.
I deliberately chose to use an expanded version of that term to distinguish it from other usages including the current one that started this topic. I couldn't be more blatant/obvious about that. Are you really trying to use my wordiness against me? A word like this can (and does) have multiple origins. For example, you said it came from French when only one use came from French and the other came from Latin. Trying to pigeonhole it based on "retro-style" not having an entry together in the dictionary is a little strange to me and completely beside the point.
If it came from French, it ultimately came from Latin, period. French, Spanish, Romanian...they all come from Latin, basically are Latin butchered beyond all repair. Those languages are much more similar to each other than German and Plattdeutsch, Koelsch, Swiss German, etc, yet the latter are all considered dialects of one (German) language and the others as separate entities. So when I hear about one coming from French and the other from Latin, well...yeah, they all came from the same language basically. Not really much room to argue.
The NES is classic.
The AVS is a retro console used to play classic games.
Well then technically only the "toaster" NES is classic!
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=retro&allowed_in_frame=0
- retro (adj.)
- 1974, from French rétro (1973), supposedly first used of a revival c. 1968 of Eva Peron-inspired fashions and short for rétrograde (see retrograde). There is an isolated use in English from 1768, and the word apparently was used in 19c. French as a term in billiards. As a noun, short for retro-rocket (1948) from 1961.
Most other places that mention etymology of words don't even give you that much info, because most placed hardly count it as a word. As a stand along word, it was used as a shortened form of retro-rocket and retrograde, the second one being coined as a phrase by the fashion industry.Has it been long enough with enough people incorrectly using the word "retro" that it's FINALLY accepted in it's bastardized form?
Twitter is full of Retro Gamers...
Twitter is full of morons, NES games are not retro
I guess it's not only me
The amount of incorrect information in this thread as astounding, they are called "tapes".
Tapes is far more accurate than "retro".
Push it in like a VHS Tape, it's a tape! Whoa... don't say the word "tape" too many times if you're baked. It'll make you question all of reality.
The amount of incorrect information in this thread as astounding, they are called "tapes".
Bunch of old timey tapes. Play em on your Nintendo tape system, your super Nintendo tape system, tapetendo 64, tape cube, tapeboy colour.