Honestly, the conversation should be more specialized to the person. A lot of people may not be good at doing homework or paying attention in class, but is a really hard worker. They would be better in a trade. If you hate physical work but dont mind doing tons of busy work, then college is a better fit (and your job would reflect that.
The idea of college= success for everyone is outdated and perpetuated by the people that are "selling" everyone college.
However, if you want a career that requires a super high level of education like engineer/doctor/programmer then its the only path.
Honestly, the conversation should be more specialized to the person. A lot of people may not be good at doing homework or paying attention in class, but is a really hard worker. They would be better in a trade. If you hate physical work but dont mind doing tons of busy work, then college is a better fit (and your job would reflect that.
The idea of college= success for everyone is outdated and perpetuated by the people that are "selling" everyone college.
However, if you want a career that requires a super high level of education like engineer/doctor/programmer then its the only path.
People can be succesful and even very succesful without an education. My gf's boss has been here less than 10 years from the middle east and hes now a millionaire in the construction industry. That being said there are millions of poor people in the United States including millions of people that work full time that can barely support themselves. There aren't a few people falling through the cracks, we have a systemic issue.
Free public education would be a boon to the poor communities across this country especially in the midwest and the south. People with educations 1. Are more likely to create businesses, 2. Would put upward pressure on people taking advantage of corporate welfare like Amazon, Walmart, etc. , by lowering the number of workers willing to accept those type of jobs, and 3. Would create a stronger middle class by having a larger group of profesionals with disposable income that would grow our economy through spending It's a win, win, win.
I have no idea. I do know of a few local non union training centers who kind of model themselves after union trade joint apprenticeship training centers, and then you have stuff like wyotech or mechanics institute. So i would say there are more now than there used to be.
4. The book thing needs to be federally fucking regulated, its worse than heath care
I'd rather not have the Feds regulating the publishing industry as that opens a huge can of worms on free trade. Not to mention the whole first amendment thing.
Professors just need to be clued into the myriad of free and lower cost alternatives. Colleges themselves can police that if they cared to.
Even if you can't get into a trade school or apprenticeship program that pays you to attend, you could always do a two year curriculum at a community college to learn a trade like hvac or residential electrical work. That won't put you into debt, you'll be your own boss, and if your real good within a few years you should have a large enough client base to live real comfortably
Even if you can't get into a trade school or apprenticeship program that pays you to attend, you could always do a two year curriculum at a community college to learn a trade like hvac or residential electrical work. That won't put you into debt, you'll be your own boss, and if your real good within a few years you should have a large enough client base to live real comfortably
The chances of that actually happening are pretty slim. Maybe if you “apprenticed” at someone else small shop for a few years too. Or just lived off side jobs lol.
Even if you can't get into a trade school or apprenticeship program that pays you to attend, you could always do a two year curriculum at a community college to learn a trade like hvac or residential electrical work. That won't put you into debt, you'll be your own boss, and if your real good within a few years you should have a large enough client base to live real comfortably
The chances of that actually happening are pretty slim. Maybe if you “apprenticed” at someone else small shop for a few years too. Or just lived off side jobs lol.
But its definetly a good start.
I think if you know how to do your trade the correct way, you show up on time, do a real good job, act professionally, and hand out your business card, word goes around real quick.
Yea there’s people that do a poor job for cheap but the quality of their work will catch up with them
I think if you know how to do your trade the correct way, you show up on time, do a real good job, act professionally, and hand out your business card, word goes around real quick.
But you also need some business acumen on top of it to actually run your business. That's a different skill set. Some excel at both, but it's more than just "work hard."
I think if you know how to do your trade the correct way, you show up on time, do a real good job, act professionally, and hand out your business card, word goes around real quick.
But you also need some business acumen on top of it to actually run your business. That's a different skill set. Some excel at both, but it's more than just "work hard."
I agree with you on this. I knew people when I was younger that did the community college route for hvac and the money making opportunities were definitely always there but they didn’t have the business know how to stick up for themselves and get paid the market rate for what they did. It made me cringe.
That being said, the money making opportunities are definitely out there, especially today with everyone spending money they don’t even have on credit cards. But you’re right, in addition to knowing the trade, you have to know how to run the business side of things
I was half kidding. I am for free college. I think college is healthy for people and adjusts peoples view of the world and I think that a better educated united states will have a stronger more stable economy and better election results.
That being said, if people are going to whine and complain about the progressives in the U.S. trying to help society grow as a whole, I already got my degree. And the less people that have the same degree in the same field as me the less people I have to compete with, thus higher wages I can demand. Education is a tall barrier to entry.
I pretty much disagree with every single point you have made and this thread lol. I have nearly 2 degree to boot!
In all honestly, I'd just close poltical threads like this. It just brings discontent. Even if people aren't posting...it's being read by people that don't believe in what others do. I came here for video games. A way of escape from dealing with politics only to find more politics on the place where I now go for games. I don't need to know if you are a liberal, socialist, republican, progressive..or whatever else you want to be. I just want to know how much that copy of Super Mario RPG is and any cool gaming related things I haven't seen.
Personally, when I see people post like Californication it puts me off a bit. Because now I know he is someone I ideologically disagree with. I'm less inclined to interact with threads he's in or sale threads he may have. I may not sell to him if he wants to buy something from me. It sours the experience because now I can put a face to him.
While, on the other hand, I know nothing about Mr. Wonderful. He's just another gamer/collector that happens to also be a mod on the forum. He could be left leaning or right leaning. Do I know? Nope! Do I need to know? Nope! Will I judge him for his political beliefs as we all do? Yep, but I don't know them so I have no face to put on him. I'm more inclined to read his posts and buy things from him or sell to him.
I could talk politics for hours. I'm more educated that the vast majority here on it. I usually am where ever I go. But, this isn't the place for it. We're all here for those games.
That's unfortunate, I didn't mean to trigger you. I'm enjoying the games I bought from you. I'm reading back what I said, I made four points, and none of them seem controversial and all of them are accurate so I don't know what else to say.
See, I dont let politics get into my game hobbies, Mr. Wunderful and I don't see eye to eye on some things political but I still read threads that he posts in and buy stuff from him. I don't see why we can't have political discussions but I'd preferably rather do it on yahoo.
That's unfortunate, I didn't mean to trigger you. I'm enjoying the games I bought from you. I'm reading back what I said, I made four points, and none of them seem controversial and all of them are accurate so I don't know what else to say.
I'm not triggered. I'm just stating what happens when you get politics involved. Your perspective is one thing while mine/others is different. For instance, I do not view modern "progressives" as "progressives" from old Europe. I could get into why, but then it gets political and I'd rather not do that.
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Oh, and I have nothing against you. I'm just stating what happens. I would still sell you games, but that's the mindset that can be created by stating political opinions.
"Originally posted by: dragonwarrior83
See, I dont let politics get into my game hobbies, Mr. Wunderful and I don't see eye to eye on some things political but I still read threads that he posts in and buy stuff from him. I don't see why we can't have political discussions but I'd preferably rather do it on yahoo."
Some people can't do that. My point is that some people can't separate the 2. I'd always go on the side of caution and just not allow it to keep stability to the forums. There's nothing that says the extreme divisions in the real world won't extend to the virtual. It only takes a bad apple or two to ruin things. It would only work if you had a locked sub forum that you had to request access to. That way you are chosing to enter the political side of things instead of finding them randomly in the open.
Some people can't do that. My point is that some people can't separate the 2. I'd always go on the side of caution and just not allow it to keep stability to the forums. There's nothing that says the extreme divisions in the real world won't extend to the virtual. It only takes a bad apple or two to ruin things. It would only work if you had a locked sub forum that you had to request access to. That way you are chosing to enter the political side of things instead of finding them randomly in the open.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
I was half kidding. I am for free college. I think college is healthy for people and adjusts peoples view of the world and I think that a better educated united states will have a stronger more stable economy and better election results.
That being said, if people are going to whine and complain about the progressives in the U.S. trying to help society grow as a whole, I already got my degree. And the less people that have the same degree in the same field as me the less people I have to compete with, thus higher wages I can demand. Education is a tall barrier to entry.
I pretty much disagree with every single point you have made and this thread lol. I have nearly 2 degree to boot!
In all honestly, I'd just close poltical threads like this. It just brings discontent. Even if people aren't posting...it's being read by people that don't believe in what others do. I came here for video games. A way of escape from dealing with politics only to find more politics on the place where I now go for games. I don't need to know if you are a liberal, socialist, republican, progressive..or whatever else you want to be. I just want to know how much that copy of Super Mario RPG is and any cool gaming related things I haven't seen.
Personally, when I see people post like Californication it puts me off a bit. Because now I know he is someone I ideologically disagree with. I'm less inclined to interact with threads he's in or sale threads he may have. I may not sell to him if he wants to buy something from me. It sours the experience because now I can put a face to him.
While, on the other hand, I know nothing about Mr. Wonderful. He's just another gamer/collector that happens to also be a mod on the forum. He could be left leaning or right leaning. Do I know? Nope! Do I need to know? Nope! Will I judge him for his political beliefs as we all do? Yep, but I don't know them so I have no face to put on him. I'm more inclined to read his posts and buy things from him or sell to him.
I could talk politics for hours. I'm more educated that the vast majority here on it. I usually am where ever I go. But, this isn't the place for it. We're all here for those games.
Hmm if only there was some apropos example of something much more obnoxious than someone with a different political opinion than me directly in front of me right now. Oh well.
Some people can't do that. My point is that some people can't separate the 2. I'd always go on the side of caution and just not allow it to keep stability to the forums. There's nothing that says the extreme divisions in the real world won't extend to the virtual. It only takes a bad apple or two to ruin things. It would only work if you had a locked sub forum that you had to request access to. That way you are chosing to enter the political side of things instead of finding them randomly in the open.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
Some people can't do that. My point is that some people can't separate the 2. I'd always go on the side of caution and just not allow it to keep stability to the forums. There's nothing that says the extreme divisions in the real world won't extend to the virtual. It only takes a bad apple or two to ruin things. It would only work if you had a locked sub forum that you had to request access to. That way you are chosing to enter the political side of things instead of finding them randomly in the open.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
Some people can't do that. My point is that some people can't separate the 2. I'd always go on the side of caution and just not allow it to keep stability to the forums. There's nothing that says the extreme divisions in the real world won't extend to the virtual. It only takes a bad apple or two to ruin things. It would only work if you had a locked sub forum that you had to request access to. That way you are chosing to enter the political side of things instead of finding them randomly in the open.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
I would still separate politics off it. I wasn't expecting to run into a political thread. I just thought someone was complaining about college being expensive lol. My point was they will get read either on purpose or accident like I did. Most places I've worked at banned political talking. We once had someone actually get out of a moving vehical(at a light) when they found out their partner was of the opposite party. Crazy times.....
I was force to buy a book for a class the professor wrote. It was the first book he ever wrote and he wrote it just for this class. The class, did not once, require me to open said book. It was a giant waste of $100+ lol.
Some people can't do that. My point is that some people can't separate the 2. I'd always go on the side of caution and just not allow it to keep stability to the forums. There's nothing that says the extreme divisions in the real world won't extend to the virtual. It only takes a bad apple or two to ruin things. It would only work if you had a locked sub forum that you had to request access to. That way you are chosing to enter the political side of things instead of finding them randomly in the open.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
I would still separate politics off it. I wasn't expecting to run into a political thread. I just thought someone was complaining about college being expensive lol. My point was they will get read either on purpose or accident like I did. Most places I've worked at banned political talking. We once had someone actually get out of a moving vehical(at a light) when they found out their partner was of the opposite party. Crazy times.....
I was force to buy a book for a class the professor wrote. It was the first book he ever wrote and he wrote it just for this class. The class, did not once, require me to open said book. It was a giant waste of $100+ lol.
To your first paragraph -- some people being incapable of having a discussion on a issue shouldn't bar the issue from discussion for others. It is their responsibility to ignore or leave the topic if they find it upsetting.
To your second paragraph -- that is hugely unethical and the professor should have been reported to the university and to the state board of regents (or whatever equivalent exists in that state).
Some people can't do that. My point is that some people can't separate the 2. I'd always go on the side of caution and just not allow it to keep stability to the forums. There's nothing that says the extreme divisions in the real world won't extend to the virtual. It only takes a bad apple or two to ruin things. It would only work if you had a locked sub forum that you had to request access to. That way you are chosing to enter the political side of things instead of finding them randomly in the open.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
Apparently political threads aren't allowed
Since when?
Exactly.
Originally posted by: MrWunderful GTFO with that.
1- technically, political/controversial threads are t allowed. Not saying this is one, but keep that in mind.
2- ive seen many a similar thread need to get locked.
Some people can't do that. My point is that some people can't separate the 2. I'd always go on the side of caution and just not allow it to keep stability to the forums. There's nothing that says the extreme divisions in the real world won't extend to the virtual. It only takes a bad apple or two to ruin things. It would only work if you had a locked sub forum that you had to request access to. That way you are chosing to enter the political side of things instead of finding them randomly in the open.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
I would still separate politics off it. I wasn't expecting to run into a political thread. I just thought someone was complaining about college being expensive lol. My point was they will get read either on purpose or accident like I did. Most places I've worked at banned political talking. We once had someone actually get out of a moving vehical(at a light) when they found out their partner was of the opposite party. Crazy times.....
I was force to buy a book for a class the professor wrote. It was the first book he ever wrote and he wrote it just for this class. The class, did not once, require me to open said book. It was a giant waste of $100+ lol.
To your first paragraph -- some people being incapable of having a discussion on a issue shouldn't bar the issue from discussion for others. It is their responsibility to ignore or leave the topic if they find it upsetting.
To your second paragraph -- that is hugely unethical and the professor should have been reported to the university and to the state board of regents (or whatever equivalent exists in that state).
Oh, I'd say about 1/2 my classes and books were useless. If I could return my degree for the money back....I'd do so in a heartbeat. If anything, my college experience left me never wanting to go back. I learned more about the real world by being in the real world. I was one of those kids that got caught with scholarships and had to go. Even though I had no idea what I wanted to do. A few years in the real world did what college and last years of HS couldn't.
That also wasn't the point I was trying to make. It's not the ripple that political discourse makes, it's the under the surface effect it has on the forum. You should be concerned about the ones reading and not posting. A forum needs new blood to survive and being as apolitical as possible(except in say locked areas) helps.
Well, that is either a rules change that I missed at some point, or it was just never enforced in the past.
We have had many raging debates in Everything Else over the years, and if those kinds of topics are forbidden, I think that is a bit sad, as this was always one of the most "open" forums for discussion where people still managed to be relatively polite to each other.
Oh, I'd say about 1/2 my classes and books were useless. If I could return my degree for the money back....I'd do so in a heartbeat. If anything, my college experience left me never wanting to go back. I learned more about the real world by being in the real world. I was one of those kids that got caught with scholarships and had to go. Even though I had to idea what I wanted to do. A few years in the real world did what college and last years of HS couldn't.
That also wasn't the point I was trying to make. It's not the ripple that political discourse makes, it's the under the surface effect it has on the forum. You should be concerned about the ones reading and not posting. A forum needs new blood to survive and being as apolitical as possible(except in say locked areas) helps.
1st pararaph -- I'm sorry to hear that was your college experience. It was not mine (or anyone I know in my field).
I agree that people shouldn't mindlessly go to college out of habit or expectation, though. A person needs some kind of meaningful plan.
2nd paragraph -- we have a fundamental difference of opinion on this. I think locking away certain types of discussion fails to treat forum members as adults, and that babysitting even heated discussions is insulting to the participants in the discussion.
We have different forum sections for a reason.
We have different discussion threads within those sections for a reason.
It isn't that hard for a person to avoid content they find objectionable.
I'm always going to be in favor of more open discussions about difficult topics, because seeing the opinions of other people -- opinions you might not have otherwise expected -- can help give you a pulse on things that you might otherwise be in a personal bubble about (maybe without even knowing you're in one).
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The idea of college= success for everyone is outdated and perpetuated by the people that are "selling" everyone college.
However, if you want a career that requires a super high level of education like engineer/doctor/programmer then its the only path.
Don't go to college. Just go to trade school
There used to be more of those around to teach trades. Nowadays they're getting scarce.
And the number one reason college is so expensive is the government subsidizing the loans. Get rid of that and the costs would drop like a stone.
Don't go to college. Just go to trade school
There used to be more of those around to teach trades. Nowadays they're getting scarce.
And the number one reason college is so expensive is the government subsidizing the loans. Get rid of that and the costs would drop like a stone.
That could be a good thing for the trades. Less skilled tradesmen means they can charge you an arm and a leg and you have no choice but to pay up
Don't go to college. Just go to trade school
There used to be more of those around to teach trades. Nowadays they're getting scarce.
And the number one reason college is so expensive is the government subsidizing the loans. Get rid of that and the costs would drop like a stone.
That could be a good thing for the trades. Less skilled tradesmen means they can charge you an arm and a leg and you have no choice but to pay up
Or you get underqualified people trying to horn in on the increased demand.
Don't go to college. Just go to trade school
There used to be more of those around to teach trades. Nowadays they're getting scarce.
And the number one reason college is so expensive is the government subsidizing the loans. Get rid of that and the costs would drop like a stone.
Every single union trade has a built in training program/school so in reality there are a ton around.
Don't go to college. Just go to trade school
There used to be more of those around to teach trades. Nowadays they're getting scarce.
And the number one reason college is so expensive is the government subsidizing the loans. Get rid of that and the costs would drop like a stone.
Every single union trade has a built in training program/school so in reality there are a ton around.
But have the number of schools increased with the population the way colleges have?
Even though I'm a pretty pro college guy, even I will admit that it isn't for everyone and we need skilled trades people.
Honestly, the conversation should be more specialized to the person. A lot of people may not be good at doing homework or paying attention in class, but is a really hard worker. They would be better in a trade. If you hate physical work but dont mind doing tons of busy work, then college is a better fit (and your job would reflect that.
The idea of college= success for everyone is outdated and perpetuated by the people that are "selling" everyone college.
However, if you want a career that requires a super high level of education like engineer/doctor/programmer then its the only path.
People can be succesful and even very succesful without an education. My gf's boss has been here less than 10 years from the middle east and hes now a millionaire in the construction industry. That being said there are millions of poor people in the United States including millions of people that work full time that can barely support themselves. There aren't a few people falling through the cracks, we have a systemic issue.
Free public education would be a boon to the poor communities across this country especially in the midwest and the south. People with educations 1. Are more likely to create businesses, 2. Would put upward pressure on people taking advantage of corporate welfare like Amazon, Walmart, etc. , by lowering the number of workers willing to accept those type of jobs, and 3. Would create a stronger middle class by having a larger group of profesionals with disposable income that would grow our economy through spending It's a win, win, win.
4. The book thing needs to be federally fucking regulated, its worse than heath care
I'd rather not have the Feds regulating the publishing industry as that opens a huge can of worms on free trade. Not to mention the whole first amendment thing.
Professors just need to be clued into the myriad of free and lower cost alternatives. Colleges themselves can police that if they cared to.
Even if you can't get into a trade school or apprenticeship program that pays you to attend, you could always do a two year curriculum at a community college to learn a trade like hvac or residential electrical work. That won't put you into debt, you'll be your own boss, and if your real good within a few years you should have a large enough client base to live real comfortably
The chances of that actually happening are pretty slim. Maybe if you “apprenticed” at someone else small shop for a few years too. Or just lived off side jobs lol.
But its definetly a good start.
Even if you can't get into a trade school or apprenticeship program that pays you to attend, you could always do a two year curriculum at a community college to learn a trade like hvac or residential electrical work. That won't put you into debt, you'll be your own boss, and if your real good within a few years you should have a large enough client base to live real comfortably
The chances of that actually happening are pretty slim. Maybe if you “apprenticed” at someone else small shop for a few years too. Or just lived off side jobs lol.
But its definetly a good start.
I think if you know how to do your trade the correct way, you show up on time, do a real good job, act professionally, and hand out your business card, word goes around real quick.
Yea there’s people that do a poor job for cheap but the quality of their work will catch up with them
I think if you know how to do your trade the correct way, you show up on time, do a real good job, act professionally, and hand out your business card, word goes around real quick.
But you also need some business acumen on top of it to actually run your business. That's a different skill set. Some excel at both, but it's more than just "work hard."
I think if you know how to do your trade the correct way, you show up on time, do a real good job, act professionally, and hand out your business card, word goes around real quick.
But you also need some business acumen on top of it to actually run your business. That's a different skill set. Some excel at both, but it's more than just "work hard."
I agree with you on this. I knew people when I was younger that did the community college route for hvac and the money making opportunities were definitely always there but they didn’t have the business know how to stick up for themselves and get paid the market rate for what they did. It made me cringe.
That being said, the money making opportunities are definitely out there, especially today with everyone spending money they don’t even have on credit cards. But you’re right, in addition to knowing the trade, you have to know how to run the business side of things
I was half kidding. I am for free college. I think college is healthy for people and adjusts peoples view of the world and I think that a better educated united states will have a stronger more stable economy and better election results.
That being said, if people are going to whine and complain about the progressives in the U.S. trying to help society grow as a whole, I already got my degree. And the less people that have the same degree in the same field as me the less people I have to compete with, thus higher wages I can demand. Education is a tall barrier to entry.
I pretty much disagree with every single point you have made and this thread lol. I have nearly 2 degree to boot!
In all honestly, I'd just close poltical threads like this. It just brings discontent. Even if people aren't posting...it's being read by people that don't believe in what others do. I came here for video games. A way of escape from dealing with politics only to find more politics on the place where I now go for games. I don't need to know if you are a liberal, socialist, republican, progressive..or whatever else you want to be. I just want to know how much that copy of Super Mario RPG is and any cool gaming related things I haven't seen.
Personally, when I see people post like Californication it puts me off a bit. Because now I know he is someone I ideologically disagree with. I'm less inclined to interact with threads he's in or sale threads he may have. I may not sell to him if he wants to buy something from me. It sours the experience because now I can put a face to him.
While, on the other hand, I know nothing about Mr. Wonderful. He's just another gamer/collector that happens to also be a mod on the forum. He could be left leaning or right leaning. Do I know? Nope! Do I need to know? Nope! Will I judge him for his political beliefs as we all do? Yep, but I don't know them so I have no face to put on him. I'm more inclined to read his posts and buy things from him or sell to him.
I could talk politics for hours. I'm more educated that the vast majority here on it. I usually am where ever I go. But, this isn't the place for it. We're all here for those games.
That's unfortunate, I didn't mean to trigger you. I'm enjoying the games I bought from you. I'm reading back what I said, I made four points, and none of them seem controversial and all of them are accurate so I don't know what else to say.
I'm not triggered. I'm just stating what happens when you get politics involved. Your perspective is one thing while mine/others is different. For instance, I do not view modern "progressives" as "progressives" from old Europe. I could get into why, but then it gets political and I'd rather not do that.
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Oh, and I have nothing against you. I'm just stating what happens. I would still sell you games, but that's the mindset that can be created by stating political opinions.
"Originally posted by: dragonwarrior83
See, I dont let politics get into my game hobbies, Mr. Wunderful and I don't see eye to eye on some things political but I still read threads that he posts in and buy stuff from him. I don't see why we can't have political discussions but I'd preferably rather do it on yahoo."
Some people can't do that. My point is that some people can't separate the 2. I'd always go on the side of caution and just not allow it to keep stability to the forums. There's nothing that says the extreme divisions in the real world won't extend to the virtual. It only takes a bad apple or two to ruin things. It would only work if you had a locked sub forum that you had to request access to. That way you are chosing to enter the political side of things instead of finding them randomly in the open.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
I was half kidding. I am for free college. I think college is healthy for people and adjusts peoples view of the world and I think that a better educated united states will have a stronger more stable economy and better election results.
That being said, if people are going to whine and complain about the progressives in the U.S. trying to help society grow as a whole, I already got my degree. And the less people that have the same degree in the same field as me the less people I have to compete with, thus higher wages I can demand. Education is a tall barrier to entry.
I pretty much disagree with every single point you have made and this thread lol. I have nearly 2 degree to boot!
In all honestly, I'd just close poltical threads like this. It just brings discontent. Even if people aren't posting...it's being read by people that don't believe in what others do. I came here for video games. A way of escape from dealing with politics only to find more politics on the place where I now go for games. I don't need to know if you are a liberal, socialist, republican, progressive..or whatever else you want to be. I just want to know how much that copy of Super Mario RPG is and any cool gaming related things I haven't seen.
Personally, when I see people post like Californication it puts me off a bit. Because now I know he is someone I ideologically disagree with. I'm less inclined to interact with threads he's in or sale threads he may have. I may not sell to him if he wants to buy something from me. It sours the experience because now I can put a face to him.
While, on the other hand, I know nothing about Mr. Wonderful. He's just another gamer/collector that happens to also be a mod on the forum. He could be left leaning or right leaning. Do I know? Nope! Do I need to know? Nope! Will I judge him for his political beliefs as we all do? Yep, but I don't know them so I have no face to put on him. I'm more inclined to read his posts and buy things from him or sell to him.
I could talk politics for hours. I'm more educated that the vast majority here on it. I usually am where ever I go. But, this isn't the place for it. We're all here for those games.
Hmm if only there was some apropos example of something much more obnoxious than someone with a different political opinion than me directly in front of me right now. Oh well.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
Apparently political threads aren't allowed
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
Apparently political threads aren't allowed
Since when?
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
I would still separate politics off it. I wasn't expecting to run into a political thread. I just thought someone was complaining about college being expensive lol. My point was they will get read either on purpose or accident like I did. Most places I've worked at banned political talking. We once had someone actually get out of a moving vehical(at a light) when they found out their partner was of the opposite party. Crazy times.....
I was force to buy a book for a class the professor wrote. It was the first book he ever wrote and he wrote it just for this class. The class, did not once, require me to open said book. It was a giant waste of $100+ lol.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
I would still separate politics off it. I wasn't expecting to run into a political thread. I just thought someone was complaining about college being expensive lol. My point was they will get read either on purpose or accident like I did. Most places I've worked at banned political talking. We once had someone actually get out of a moving vehical(at a light) when they found out their partner was of the opposite party. Crazy times.....
I was force to buy a book for a class the professor wrote. It was the first book he ever wrote and he wrote it just for this class. The class, did not once, require me to open said book. It was a giant waste of $100+ lol.
To your first paragraph -- some people being incapable of having a discussion on a issue shouldn't bar the issue from discussion for others. It is their responsibility to ignore or leave the topic if they find it upsetting.
To your second paragraph -- that is hugely unethical and the professor should have been reported to the university and to the state board of regents (or whatever equivalent exists in that state).
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
Apparently political threads aren't allowed
Since when?
Exactly.
1- technically, political/controversial threads are t allowed. Not saying this is one, but keep that in mind.
2- ive seen many a similar thread need to get locked.
Dont worry though, we see you.
Carry on.
This is "Everything Else". As long as people aren't engaging in hate speech or harassment, pretty much anything goes as a topic of conversation.
If that isn't your thing, you aren't forced to read or participate in threads with topics that bother you.
I would still separate politics off it. I wasn't expecting to run into a political thread. I just thought someone was complaining about college being expensive lol. My point was they will get read either on purpose or accident like I did. Most places I've worked at banned political talking. We once had someone actually get out of a moving vehical(at a light) when they found out their partner was of the opposite party. Crazy times.....
I was force to buy a book for a class the professor wrote. It was the first book he ever wrote and he wrote it just for this class. The class, did not once, require me to open said book. It was a giant waste of $100+ lol.
To your first paragraph -- some people being incapable of having a discussion on a issue shouldn't bar the issue from discussion for others. It is their responsibility to ignore or leave the topic if they find it upsetting.
To your second paragraph -- that is hugely unethical and the professor should have been reported to the university and to the state board of regents (or whatever equivalent exists in that state).
Oh, I'd say about 1/2 my classes and books were useless. If I could return my degree for the money back....I'd do so in a heartbeat. If anything, my college experience left me never wanting to go back. I learned more about the real world by being in the real world. I was one of those kids that got caught with scholarships and had to go. Even though I had no idea what I wanted to do. A few years in the real world did what college and last years of HS couldn't.
That also wasn't the point I was trying to make. It's not the ripple that political discourse makes, it's the under the surface effect it has on the forum. You should be concerned about the ones reading and not posting. A forum needs new blood to survive and being as apolitical as possible(except in say locked areas) helps.
We have had many raging debates in Everything Else over the years, and if those kinds of topics are forbidden, I think that is a bit sad, as this was always one of the most "open" forums for discussion where people still managed to be relatively polite to each other.
Oh, I'd say about 1/2 my classes and books were useless. If I could return my degree for the money back....I'd do so in a heartbeat. If anything, my college experience left me never wanting to go back. I learned more about the real world by being in the real world. I was one of those kids that got caught with scholarships and had to go. Even though I had to idea what I wanted to do. A few years in the real world did what college and last years of HS couldn't.
That also wasn't the point I was trying to make. It's not the ripple that political discourse makes, it's the under the surface effect it has on the forum. You should be concerned about the ones reading and not posting. A forum needs new blood to survive and being as apolitical as possible(except in say locked areas) helps.
1st pararaph -- I'm sorry to hear that was your college experience. It was not mine (or anyone I know in my field).
I agree that people shouldn't mindlessly go to college out of habit or expectation, though. A person needs some kind of meaningful plan.
2nd paragraph -- we have a fundamental difference of opinion on this. I think locking away certain types of discussion fails to treat forum members as adults, and that babysitting even heated discussions is insulting to the participants in the discussion.
We have different forum sections for a reason.
We have different discussion threads within those sections for a reason.
It isn't that hard for a person to avoid content they find objectionable.
I'm always going to be in favor of more open discussions about difficult topics, because seeing the opinions of other people -- opinions you might not have otherwise expected -- can help give you a pulse on things that you might otherwise be in a personal bubble about (maybe without even knowing you're in one).