Of course phleo is in favor of it - he's a pedigree chaser.
And I'll repeat - none of these folks have anything to do with these games - why the fuck are people slapping fake prominence and pedigree on something they have had zero involvement on except for purchasing a copy? Huge dick riders imo
I think Pedigrees are a good thing for the hobby if held to a specific type of standard. Since WATA is taking its cues from the comic world let us take a look at a post from the CGC. I absolutely believe Pedigree's are an important part
of the grading side of the video game collecting hobby. It is not for everyone. I can see it from all angles. I also know its very polarizing as we can all see it expressed on NA and social media platforms. Every collector market has its extreme degrees of polarization on various topics.
It is the status quo and it will remain that way. Always.
I feel the criteria to be considered a pedigree video game collection should be transparent and documented. There is no doubt the "Indiana" collection qualifies to but I can also argue the original owner died suddenly and it appears to me he was just buying
up inventory as a store owner and the games unexpectedly sat for 20 years.....Does that make it a pedigree under no guidelines previously layed out for video games? I like the part in the CGC criteria for original ownership. And of course the grades themselves. We must have standards and guidelines. I have no doubt the number of pedigree collections in the video game world will be extremely small. If you take into account the amount of comic book collectors and the 5 million graded comics in circulation and the amount of pedigrees.....That data for sure can help us see the small and limited world video game grading and pedigree collections that will happen.
Taking CIB copies
of terrible condition crap I feel appears far too exploitive and is really creating a terrible baseline for the first of the video game pedigree's to come. We need to uphold pedigree collections to the highest of standards, unfortunately that is not being done. (That is if you are considering the Carolina collection a pedigree, which it isn't)
Love the dudes behind it, but now they're trying to justify stupid nonsense is over the line. Dains collection has no more significance in preservation than the millions of roms dumped by the folks of the internet. Hell, the Nolans have done way more for preservation than this collection.
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
How is The Carolina Collection a pedigree if Dain wasn't the original owner of any of it? I thought that was a requirement for pedigree.
And what's the Indiana Collection? I have no idea what this one is, obviously it wasn't famous enough to be that well known.
I'd rather not have that on the label of a graded game, that would just cause too many questions when showing it to someone and I wouldn't want to have to explain to them what the collection is and whom Dain is. Then after the whole explanation, they still wouldn't care and would forget all of it 5 minutes later.
How is The Carolina Collection a pedigree if Dain wasn't the original owner of any of it? I thought that was a requirement for pedigree.
And what's the Indiana Collection? I have no idea what this one is, obviously it wasn't famous enough to be that well known.
I'd rather not have that on the label of a graded game, that would just cause too many questions when showing it to someone and I wouldn't want to have to explain to them what the collection is and whom Dain is. Then after the whole explanation, they still wouldn't care and would forget all of it 5 minutes later.
Check out my FS thread for the Connecticut Collection.
That changes my opinion on Wata 100%. Love the dudes behind it, but now they're trying to justify stupid nonsense is over the line. Dains collection has no more significance in preservation than the millions of roms dumped by the folks of the internet. Hell, the Nolans have done way more for preservation than this collection.
x2, although not quite the 100% for me. I still look favorably on lots of the things they're trying to do that VGA doesn't, but this is one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever heard of.
I wasn't a fan of them at first but I'm pretty indifferent at this point. I believe they stated that there is a difference between collection and pedigree, but the confusion comes in that they are denoted in the same place on the label. Dain's is obviously a collection but the Indiana stuff is more of a pedigree? I don't know nor do I care, I'd pay the same for something regardless of the label.
I wasn't a fan of them at first but I'm pretty indifferent at this point. I believe they stated that there is a difference between collection and pedigree, but the confusion comes in that they are denoted in the same place on the label. Dain's is obviously a collection but the Indiana stuff is more of a pedigree? I don't know nor do I care, I'd pay the same for something regardless of the label.
Right, there is no distinction made as to what is a "pedigree" and what is a "collection worth naming" I guess. If they are intent on making pedigree's a thing in game collecting, there should have been a better distinction made. They are both just a state with the word collection after it.
Lol, "preservation." Let's preserve these games by breaking up the collection and selling them all to different people!
Sure, we're interested in the history of some stuff, like NWC's and landfill ET's. I think a lot of us would even be cool with having a piece from Dain's collection, given the choice over an identical piece at an identical price. Put it on the WATA label as a reason to up the price? Noooope. But if there's even ONE person willing to pay a premium, then it doesn't matter what any of us think. Even by using the given names of the collections, we're legitimizing the idea.
I'm interest in price and condition. Who's collection it came out of does matter. The only exception would be in certain situations such as Thors NWC cart he won or something along those lines. Where the games history is directly linked to the previous owner.
I just thought of something else. If I had worked this long on putting a collection together and was this attached to it, I'd be curious to see where it all ends up in 10 years time and if that game I see at a convention is actually the one from my collection. Maybe he requested this be added to all his games just so he can entertain that curiosity.
Lol, "preservation." Let's preserve these games by breaking up the collection and selling them all to different people!
Sure, we're interested in the history of some stuff, like NWC's and landfill ET's. I think a lot of us would even be cool with having a piece from Dain's collection, given the choice over an identical piece at an identical price. Put it on the WATA label as a reason to up the price? Noooope. But if there's even ONE person willing to pay a premium, then it doesn't matter what any of us think. Even by using the given names of the collections, we're legitimizing the idea.
Why would it be cool to have a piece of his collection? Did he have things nobody else did? If not, then what makes it coming from his collection so special aside from nothing? Aside from that, I agree with ya.
Though, if one buyer buys something at an inflated price, that doesn't mean it's worth it. It just means that person got suckered in by advertisers basically claiming something is more important or special than it really is. In those instances, I'd call those buyers "suckers".
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
On second thought I agree with you.
Perhaps labeling a collection, like the Carolina Collection, is simply a way of recognizing the collection was put together by someone who some people might consider knowledgeable in the hobby.
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
On second thought I agree with you.
Perhaps labeling a collection, like the Carolina Collection, is simply a way of recognizing the collection was put together by someone who some people might consider knowledgeable in the hobby.
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
On second thought I agree with you.
Perhaps labeling a collection, like the Carolina Collection, is simply a way of recognizing the collection was put together by someone who some people might consider knowledgeable in the hobby.
Or... it's just marketing.
Lol most likely.
I’m curious how one involved with this whole pedigree collection naming idea would phrase it though
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
On second thought I agree with you.
Perhaps labeling a collection, like the Carolina Collection, is simply a way of recognizing the collection was put together by someone who some people might consider knowledgeable in the hobby.
Or... it's just marketing.
Lol most likely.
I’m curious how one involved with this whole pedigree collection naming idea would phrase it though
I imagine they will frame it with as flowery of language as they can muster to make it sound like an important honor and distinction rather than a pure-mercenary marketing term.
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
On second thought I agree with you.
Perhaps labeling a collection, like the Carolina Collection, is simply a way of recognizing the collection was put together by someone who some people might consider knowledgeable in the hobby.
Or... it's just marketing.
I really can't imagine anyone here (or knowledgeable) to pay a premium for a game out of Dains collection. If there is...it's certainly not good marketing
Collection notations also make the seller feel good. Ie driving submissions is also good marketing; the grading company doesn't get paid based on the auction results. In some sense, what do they care if it sells for a premium or not?
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And I'll repeat - none of these folks have anything to do with these games - why the fuck are people slapping fake prominence and pedigree on something they have had zero involvement on except for purchasing a copy? Huge dick riders imo
https://www.watagames.com/learn/blog/post/the-carolina-collection/
I think Pedigrees are a good thing for the hobby if held to a specific type of standard. Since WATA is taking its cues from the comic world let us take a look at a post from the CGC. I absolutely believe Pedigree's are an important part
of the grading side of the video game collecting hobby. It is not for everyone. I can see it from all angles. I also know its very polarizing as we can all see it expressed on NA and social media platforms. Every collector market has its extreme degrees of polarization on various topics.
It is the status quo and it will remain that way. Always.
I feel the criteria to be considered a pedigree video game collection should be transparent and documented. There is no doubt the "Indiana" collection qualifies to but I can also argue the original owner died suddenly and it appears to me he was just buying
up inventory as a store owner and the games unexpectedly sat for 20 years.....Does that make it a pedigree under no guidelines previously layed out for video games? I like the part in the CGC criteria for original ownership. And of course the grades themselves. We must have standards and guidelines. I have no doubt the number of pedigree collections in the video game world will be extremely small. If you take into account the amount of comic book collectors and the 5 million graded comics in circulation and the amount of pedigrees.....That data for sure can help us see the small and limited world video game grading and pedigree collections that will happen.
Taking CIB copies
of terrible condition crap I feel appears far too exploitive and is really creating a terrible baseline for the first of the video game pedigree's to come. We need to uphold pedigree collections to the highest of standards, unfortunately that is not being done. (That is if you are considering the Carolina collection a pedigree, which it isn't)
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
So The Carolina Collection is certainly not a pedigree. I did not see this posted or knew it posted on Watas site on July 1st
https://www.watagames.com/learn/b...
That changes my opinion on Wata 100%.
Love the dudes behind it, but now they're trying to justify stupid nonsense is over the line. Dains collection has no more significance in preservation than the millions of roms dumped by the folks of the internet. Hell, the Nolans have done way more for preservation than this collection.
I think it's for the big wig collectors.
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
And what's the Indiana Collection? I have no idea what this one is, obviously it wasn't famous enough to be that well known.
I'd rather not have that on the label of a graded game, that would just cause too many questions when showing it to someone and I wouldn't want to have to explain to them what the collection is and whom Dain is. Then after the whole explanation, they still wouldn't care and would forget all of it 5 minutes later.
How is The Carolina Collection a pedigree if Dain wasn't the original owner of any of it? I thought that was a requirement for pedigree.
And what's the Indiana Collection? I have no idea what this one is, obviously it wasn't famous enough to be that well known.
I'd rather not have that on the label of a graded game, that would just cause too many questions when showing it to someone and I wouldn't want to have to explain to them what the collection is and whom Dain is. Then after the whole explanation, they still wouldn't care and would forget all of it 5 minutes later.
Check out my FS thread for the Connecticut Collection.
So The Carolina Collection is certainly not a pedigree. I did not see this posted or knew it posted on Watas site on July 1st
https://www.watagames.com/learn/blog/post/the-carolina-colle...
That changes my opinion on Wata 100%. Love the dudes behind it, but now they're trying to justify stupid nonsense is over the line. Dains collection has no more significance in preservation than the millions of roms dumped by the folks of the internet. Hell, the Nolans have done way more for preservation than this collection.
x2, although not quite the 100% for me. I still look favorably on lots of the things they're trying to do that VGA doesn't, but this is one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever heard of.
I wasn't a fan of them at first but I'm pretty indifferent at this point. I believe they stated that there is a difference between collection and pedigree, but the confusion comes in that they are denoted in the same place on the label. Dain's is obviously a collection but the Indiana stuff is more of a pedigree? I don't know nor do I care, I'd pay the same for something regardless of the label.
Right, there is no distinction made as to what is a "pedigree" and what is a "collection worth naming" I guess. If they are intent on making pedigree's a thing in game collecting, there should have been a better distinction made. They are both just a state with the word collection after it.
Sure, we're interested in the history of some stuff, like NWC's and landfill ET's. I think a lot of us would even be cool with having a piece from Dain's collection, given the choice over an identical piece at an identical price. Put it on the WATA label as a reason to up the price? Noooope. But if there's even ONE person willing to pay a premium, then it doesn't matter what any of us think. Even by using the given names of the collections, we're legitimizing the idea.
Pedigree isnt the same as providence, as far as I know.
Provenance.
Your collection having providence would REALLY be something special.
(I mean, some of these collections are "good"... but I doubt God cares much about them one way or another )
Lol, "preservation." Let's preserve these games by breaking up the collection and selling them all to different people!
Sure, we're interested in the history of some stuff, like NWC's and landfill ET's. I think a lot of us would even be cool with having a piece from Dain's collection, given the choice over an identical piece at an identical price. Put it on the WATA label as a reason to up the price? Noooope. But if there's even ONE person willing to pay a premium, then it doesn't matter what any of us think. Even by using the given names of the collections, we're legitimizing the idea.
Why would it be cool to have a piece of his collection? Did he have things nobody else did? If not, then what makes it coming from his collection so special aside from nothing? Aside from that, I agree with ya.
Though, if one buyer buys something at an inflated price, that doesn't mean it's worth it. It just means that person got suckered in by advertisers basically claiming something is more important or special than it really is. In those instances, I'd call those buyers "suckers".
Pedigree isnt the same as providence, as far as I know.
Provenance.
Your collection having providence would REALLY be something special.
(I mean, some of these collections are "good"... but I doubt God cares much about them one way or another )
You are 2 for 2 today. 3 for 3 is a temp ban
Pedigree isnt the same as providence, as far as I know.
Provenance.
Your collection having providence would REALLY be something special.
(I mean, some of these collections are "good"... but I doubt God cares much about them one way or another )
You are 2 for 2 today. 3 for 3 is a temp ban
Pretty sure the forum would break if I was banned, just from the overload of posts that have my avatar next to them
I think it's for the big wig collectors.
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
On second thought I agree with you.
Perhaps labeling a collection, like the Carolina Collection, is simply a way of recognizing the collection was put together by someone who some people might consider knowledgeable in the hobby.
I think it's for the big wig collectors.
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
On second thought I agree with you.
Perhaps labeling a collection, like the Carolina Collection, is simply a way of recognizing the collection was put together by someone who some people might consider knowledgeable in the hobby.
Or... it's just marketing.
I think it's for the big wig collectors.
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
On second thought I agree with you.
Perhaps labeling a collection, like the Carolina Collection, is simply a way of recognizing the collection was put together by someone who some people might consider knowledgeable in the hobby.
Or... it's just marketing.
Lol most likely.
I’m curious how one involved with this whole pedigree collection naming idea would phrase it though
I think it's for the big wig collectors.
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
On second thought I agree with you.
Perhaps labeling a collection, like the Carolina Collection, is simply a way of recognizing the collection was put together by someone who some people might consider knowledgeable in the hobby.
Or... it's just marketing.
Lol most likely.
I’m curious how one involved with this whole pedigree collection naming idea would phrase it though
I imagine they will frame it with as flowery of language as they can muster to make it sound like an important honor and distinction rather than a pure-mercenary marketing term.
Pedigree isnt the same as providence, as far as I know.
Provenance.
Your collection having providence would REALLY be something special.
(I mean, some of these collections are "good"... but I doubt God cares much about them one way or another )
You are 2 for 2 today. 3 for 3 is a temp ban
Pretty sure the forum would break if I was banned, just from the overload of posts that have my avatar next to them
#Spammer
Pedigree isnt the same as providence, as far as I know.
Provenance.
Your collection having providence would REALLY be something special.
(I mean, some of these collections are "good"... but I doubt God cares much about them one way or another )
hehe :-)
I think it's for the big wig collectors.
The only people that will recognize a pedigree labeled collections are other collectors with similar collections.
It's def not for the "big collectors". Jeff and Dain are far from the biggest collectors. The folks who have to brag and talk up a collection that just takes money to obtain is suffering from some kind of insecurity. There's literally no reason for any of this.
On second thought I agree with you.
Perhaps labeling a collection, like the Carolina Collection, is simply a way of recognizing the collection was put together by someone who some people might consider knowledgeable in the hobby.
Or... it's just marketing.
I really can't imagine anyone here (or knowledgeable) to pay a premium for a game out of Dains collection. If there is...it's certainly not good marketing
Collection notations also make the seller feel good. Ie driving submissions is also good marketing; the grading company doesn't get paid based on the auction results. In some sense, what do they care if it sells for a premium or not?
Pedigree isnt the same as providence, as far as I know.
Provenance.
Your collection having providence would REALLY be something special.
(I mean, some of these collections are "good"... but I doubt God cares much about them one way or another )
You are 2 for 2 today. 3 for 3 is a temp ban
Pretty sure the forum would break if I was banned, just from the overload of posts that have my avatar next to them
I dunno, it absorbed Tanooki pretty well.