They may seem like trash to you and act like assholes in public, but that doesn't mean they are bad people.
I guess we have to define "bad" here and agree on whether a person can actually be bad versus just being a person who does bad things, but to keep it simple, I would lean toward saying that someone who acts like an asshole in public is a bad person. I mean, if they can't even handle basic decency, imagine what they do when no one is looking.
I acknowledge that I may have misinterpreted your point, but this was my reaction upon reading it.
Everyone had bad days. Some people are better at dealing with it in public. I'm not afraid to admit I've acted childish in public before when I was fed up with something or a situation. Does that make me a bad person? I would hope not.
What is a "bad thing" anyway? How do you know the context? Ever get cut off in traffic and get pissed off? Is that a bad person? What if they were injured and driving frantically to the hopsital? Someone was being rude and cut the line at the liquor store? Maybe they just got laid off?
My point is that it's hard to know the context of someone else's life. Especially strangers. That's why instead of having a sanctimonious "better than you" attitude all the time, I feel like it would do people some good to have more patience and understanding. Smile at a stranger. Be nice to them. I'm not saying you specifically don't do this or calling you out personally. I'm just trying to clarify my original point.
The one thing Ive learned from working in retail is that the average retail consumer is a spoiled, entitled, idiot that always assumes they are better/know more than the associate trying to help them.
more directly to your point, just because someone has something going on in their life doesn't give them license to be jer. If they can't put the effort in to compose themselves why should I afford them my patience? I have problems too but don't go broadcasting it to the general public. The old saying treat others as you want to be treated applies here
I worked retail as a store manager for a buy/sell/trade place for 8 1/2 years. I learned a lot more than one thing. For example, if a customer is a "spoiled entitled idiot who thinks they know more than me", instead of having a sanctimonious attitude about it (which is the same fucking thing by the way, lol), I let them say what they want to say and be nice to them. Then I smile when I see how much more they spent, than if I was a dick back to them.
Why should you afford them your patience? If you're still talking retail, the reason is simple. Dollars. I listened to other managers at other locations whine and bitch about "idiot customers" all the time, then complain when their sales sucked. Being nice and having patience in a retail environment goes along way. But I get it's not for everybody.
Yes, there were assholes in the store. Very few times did I interject or have anything to say to them about it. Usually only when a child was being treated a little too poorly for my taste. That was few and far between for me luckily. But someone generally acting the way you described earlier? Who cares? Let them be in their bad mood. It's not the worst thing you'll ever have to deal with. Why let it bother you so bad?
You can say "treat others as you want to be treated" and that's fine. But when you aren't treated that way, are you just gonna take your ball and go home? Or maybe, can you have a little patience, and instead of acting like a dick back, maybe you'll end up bringing someone out of the funk they are in. Probably not everyone. Some people are gonna be assholes regardless. But christ, can't we have SOME patience and understanding in this world and at least try?
Everyone thinks they are so much better than everyone else. Guess what? You aren't. Just because you conduct yourself well in public doesn't make you a good person or better than everyone else, lol. It's ridiuclous actually to think that in my opinion.
I find myself easily riled up by people who are clearly only thinking of themselves and being obnoxious. But when I take a moment to really think about what I'm feeling, I realize that my being upset about it shows how much I'm being obnoxious because I'm bent out of shape that something isn't going the way I want it to and I'm being just as bad as them. I'm not saying others aren't behaving badly, but that my being pissed off is no different because I'm getting upset for not getting my way and I'm feeling entitled about it because I'm assuming my way is right.
There are plenty of instances when someone else is doing something objectively wrong, but not all of those times are when you can or should do something about it. You see child abuse or sexual harassment? Step in or get help. Some guy jumps the turnstile at the subway? What are you going to do, a citizen’s arrest? Just be content that you play by the rules and don’t worry about other people. I don’t know if any of you are familiar with the “knock out game”, but I used to live in a neighborhood around where it was happening a lot. As I was walking along the subway platform, a bunch of kids got up from the bench and started following me with their hands in their pockets and shouting at me, because I glared at them when they tried to make me flinch as I went by. Are those kids little shits? Hell yeah. Were they planning to attack me? Who knows, they were at least banking on the reputation of the game to make me afraid. Maybe I could have taken them, but with all their hands in their pockets, any one of them might have had a knife, and “teaching them a lesson” just because I’m right or a better person isn’t worth it if I’m just going to get hurt.
In Canada it is so much different, nobody has a gun..It completely changes the psychology of all of these altercations (Not saying everywhere in the States this is a worry but more so than Canada no question).
If someone is acting like an asshole in public that person is going to get confronted 90% of the time and end up looking like a dipshit and maybe go home and think about their actions.
How did this thread turn into working a job and interacting with customers - that's entirely different than experiences in public with randos. If you're on the job, you're 100% expected to smile and push the pricey retails to the customers. Let them act stupid or whatever. The OP is talking about public experiences with strangers in public domains - apples to oranges.
If your day is negatively impacted by a stranger being obnoxious, entitled, or a douche - you 100% have a right to think badly of them which seems to be one of the several debated topics in this thread. I don't think people are saying to start bashing in someone's face or talk down and correct them like you're up on a pedestal.
The fact is people are fucking idiots, tons of them all over the place. So many people feel they are superior to others, disrespectful, unapologetic, and/or disgusting. I personally ignore them and move along (hell even laugh/smile often), but it does bother me if they fuck my day up.
If you come out of Walmart and you see a cart up against your car door with a resulting car ding, are you going to think oh shucks somebody was probably having a bad day? Just one of countless examples...
In Canada it is so much different, nobody has a gun..It completely changes the psychology of all of these altercations (Not saying everywhere in the States this is a worry but more so than Canada no question).
If someone is acting like an asshole in public that person is going to get confronted 90% of the time and end up looking like a dipshit and maybe go home and think about their actions.
Can agree with this. Everyone was nice. The jerks walked away.
random stranger in the street made out with. Not the only thing but had a great time in Windsor.
Looking into a move and Canada would be top of the list over anywhere here in the US
In Canada it is so much different, nobody has a gun..It completely changes the psychology of all of these altercations (Not saying everywhere in the States this is a worry but more so than Canada no question).
If someone is acting like an asshole in public that person is going to get confronted 90% of the time and end up looking like a dipshit and maybe go home and think about their actions.
Can agree with this. Everyone was nice. The jerks walked away.
random stranger in the street made out with. Not the only thing but had a great time in Windsor.
Looking into a move and Canada would be top of the list over anywhere here in the US
I was just in Windsor on Saturday doing some record hunting, I live 40 mins NE of there.
Never had an issue with anyone, I am sure there are some shitty parts though just given the geographical location being close to Detroit and all.
As long as you avoid free public events around here you essentially never run into trash. All the dirts in the country are happy with their ATVs and burning on the back roads with their Civics and the city skivs stick to their own areas with exception to these free public events. Even when you do run into these people out and about you can typically ignore them pretty easy. They usually travel in packs and are complete trash with no respect for anything. There's no reasoning with these people either; as soon as you call them out on something you're the problem.
In Canada it is so much different, nobody has a gun..It completely changes the psychology of all of these altercations (Not saying everywhere in the States this is a worry but more so than Canada no question).
If someone is acting like an asshole in public that person is going to get confronted 90% of the time and end up looking like a dipshit and maybe go home and think about their actions.
Can agree with this. Everyone was nice. The jerks walked away.
random stranger in the street made out with. Not the only thing but had a great time in Windsor.
Looking into a move and Canada would be top of the list over anywhere here in the US
I was just in Windsor on Saturday doing some record hunting, I live 40 mins NE of there.
Never had an issue with anyone, I am sure there are some shitty parts though just given the geographical location being close to Detroit and all.
Windsor is the only Canadian place I've been to where the locals were rude if you went outside of the usual areas. Probably sick of partying Americans crashing the border.
How did this thread turn into working a job and interacting with customers - that's entirely different than experiences in public with randos. If you're on the job, you're 100% expected to smile and push the pricey retails to the customers. Let them act stupid or whatever. The OP is talking about public experiences with strangers in public domains - apples to oranges.
If your day is negatively impacted by a stranger being obnoxious, entitled, or a douche - you 100% have a right to think badly of them which seems to be one of the several debated topics in this thread. I don't think people are saying to start bashing in someone's face or talk down and correct them like you're up on a pedestal.
The fact is people are fucking idiots, tons of them all over the place. So many people feel they are superior to others, disrespectful, unapologetic, and/or disgusting. I personally ignore them and move along (hell even laugh/smile often), but it does bother me if they fuck my day up.
If you come out of Walmart and you see a cart up against your car door with a resulting car ding, are you going to think oh shucks somebody was probably having a bad day? Just one of countless examples...
The older I get, the more crotchety and tired of people I become. Immature things I once found stupid and funny I just find stupid and irritating. I swear as time goes on, pre-teens and teens are getting dumber, or perhaps I'm just getting more mature. I used to be much more extroverted, now all I want to do is sit at home away from everyone.
In Canada it is so much different, nobody has a gun..It completely changes the psychology of all of these altercations (Not saying everywhere in the States this is a worry but more so than Canada no question).
If someone is acting like an asshole in public that person is going to get confronted 90% of the time and end up looking like a dipshit and maybe go home and think about their actions.
I am a huge fan of teaching through humiliation. Learned some of my hardest lessons in life that way. It’s affective when properly executed .
I try to see the good in all people, but the worst is when you are waiting in a line, grocery, department store, gas station........and you see junky boyfriend and junky girlfriend bitching at each other and fighting over the dumbest shit ever...........These are the worst.
I find reading post #1 that it's more online than off, but off is creeping up fast since it seems ok to be a triggered dick who takes offense at anything and want to ruin someone or physically harm them over any petty stupid thing which a decade ago you would have been a grown up about, got pissed and just kept it to yourself and probably walked off.
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Originally posted by: leatherrebel5150
Originally posted by: beardcore84
Originally posted by: coffeewithmrsaturn
Originally posted by: beardcore84
They may seem like trash to you and act like assholes in public, but that doesn't mean they are bad people.
I guess we have to define "bad" here and agree on whether a person can actually be bad versus just being a person who does bad things, but to keep it simple, I would lean toward saying that someone who acts like an asshole in public is a bad person. I mean, if they can't even handle basic decency, imagine what they do when no one is looking.
I acknowledge that I may have misinterpreted your point, but this was my reaction upon reading it.
Everyone had bad days. Some people are better at dealing with it in public. I'm not afraid to admit I've acted childish in public before when I was fed up with something or a situation. Does that make me a bad person? I would hope not.
What is a "bad thing" anyway? How do you know the context? Ever get cut off in traffic and get pissed off? Is that a bad person? What if they were injured and driving frantically to the hopsital? Someone was being rude and cut the line at the liquor store? Maybe they just got laid off?
My point is that it's hard to know the context of someone else's life. Especially strangers. That's why instead of having a sanctimonious "better than you" attitude all the time, I feel like it would do people some good to have more patience and understanding. Smile at a stranger. Be nice to them. I'm not saying you specifically don't do this or calling you out personally. I'm just trying to clarify my original point.
The one thing Ive learned from working in retail is that the average retail consumer is a spoiled, entitled, idiot that always assumes they are better/know more than the associate trying to help them.
more directly to your point, just because someone has something going on in their life doesn't give them license to be jer. If they can't put the effort in to compose themselves why should I afford them my patience? I have problems too but don't go broadcasting it to the general public. The old saying treat others as you want to be treated applies here
I worked retail as a store manager for a buy/sell/trade place for 8 1/2 years. I learned a lot more than one thing. For example, if a customer is a "spoiled entitled idiot who thinks they know more than me", instead of having a sanctimonious attitude about it (which is the same fucking thing by the way, lol), I let them say what they want to say and be nice to them. Then I smile when I see how much more they spent, than if I was a dick back to them.
Why should you afford them your patience? If you're still talking retail, the reason is simple. Dollars. I listened to other managers at other locations whine and bitch about "idiot customers" all the time, then complain when their sales sucked. Being nice and having patience in a retail environment goes along way. But I get it's not for everybody.
Yes, there were assholes in the store. Very few times did I interject or have anything to say to them about it. Usually only when a child was being treated a little too poorly for my taste. That was few and far between for me luckily. But someone generally acting the way you described earlier? Who cares? Let them be in their bad mood. It's not the worst thing you'll ever have to deal with. Why let it bother you so bad?
You can say "treat others as you want to be treated" and that's fine. But when you aren't treated that way, are you just gonna take your ball and go home? Or maybe, can you have a little patience, and instead of acting like a dick back, maybe you'll end up bringing someone out of the funk they are in. Probably not everyone. Some people are gonna be assholes regardless. But christ, can't we have SOME patience and understanding in this world and at least try?
Everyone thinks they are so much better than everyone else. Guess what? You aren't. Just because you conduct yourself well in public doesn't make you a good person or better than everyone else, lol. It's ridiuclous actually to think that in my opinion.
I find myself easily riled up by people who are clearly only thinking of themselves and being obnoxious. But when I take a moment to really think about what I'm feeling, I realize that my being upset about it shows how much I'm being obnoxious because I'm bent out of shape that something isn't going the way I want it to and I'm being just as bad as them. I'm not saying others aren't behaving badly, but that my being pissed off is no different because I'm getting upset for not getting my way and I'm feeling entitled about it because I'm assuming my way is right.
There are plenty of instances when someone else is doing something objectively wrong, but not all of those times are when you can or should do something about it. You see child abuse or sexual harassment? Step in or get help. Some guy jumps the turnstile at the subway? What are you going to do, a citizen’s arrest? Just be content that you play by the rules and don’t worry about other people. I don’t know if any of you are familiar with the “knock out game”, but I used to live in a neighborhood around where it was happening a lot. As I was walking along the subway platform, a bunch of kids got up from the bench and started following me with their hands in their pockets and shouting at me, because I glared at them when they tried to make me flinch as I went by. Are those kids little shits? Hell yeah. Were they planning to attack me? Who knows, they were at least banking on the reputation of the game to make me afraid. Maybe I could have taken them, but with all their hands in their pockets, any one of them might have had a knife, and “teaching them a lesson” just because I’m right or a better person isn’t worth it if I’m just going to get hurt.
If someone is acting like an asshole in public that person is going to get confronted 90% of the time and end up looking like a dipshit and maybe go home and think about their actions.
If your day is negatively impacted by a stranger being obnoxious, entitled, or a douche - you 100% have a right to think badly of them which seems to be one of the several debated topics in this thread. I don't think people are saying to start bashing in someone's face or talk down and correct them like you're up on a pedestal.
The fact is people are fucking idiots, tons of them all over the place. So many people feel they are superior to others, disrespectful, unapologetic, and/or disgusting. I personally ignore them and move along (hell even laugh/smile often), but it does bother me if they fuck my day up.
If you come out of Walmart and you see a cart up against your car door with a resulting car ding, are you going to think oh shucks somebody was probably having a bad day? Just one of countless examples...
In Canada it is so much different, nobody has a gun..It completely changes the psychology of all of these altercations (Not saying everywhere in the States this is a worry but more so than Canada no question).
If someone is acting like an asshole in public that person is going to get confronted 90% of the time and end up looking like a dipshit and maybe go home and think about their actions.
Can agree with this. Everyone was nice. The jerks walked away.
random stranger in the street made out with. Not the only thing but had a great time in Windsor.
Looking into a move and Canada would be top of the list over anywhere here in the US
In Canada it is so much different, nobody has a gun..It completely changes the psychology of all of these altercations (Not saying everywhere in the States this is a worry but more so than Canada no question).
If someone is acting like an asshole in public that person is going to get confronted 90% of the time and end up looking like a dipshit and maybe go home and think about their actions.
Can agree with this. Everyone was nice. The jerks walked away.
random stranger in the street made out with. Not the only thing but had a great time in Windsor.
Looking into a move and Canada would be top of the list over anywhere here in the US
I was just in Windsor on Saturday doing some record hunting, I live 40 mins NE of there.
Never had an issue with anyone, I am sure there are some shitty parts though just given the geographical location being close to Detroit and all.
However I lost faith in humanity long ago. So... meh.
In Canada it is so much different, nobody has a gun..It completely changes the psychology of all of these altercations (Not saying everywhere in the States this is a worry but more so than Canada no question).
If someone is acting like an asshole in public that person is going to get confronted 90% of the time and end up looking like a dipshit and maybe go home and think about their actions.
Can agree with this. Everyone was nice. The jerks walked away.
random stranger in the street made out with. Not the only thing but had a great time in Windsor.
Looking into a move and Canada would be top of the list over anywhere here in the US
I was just in Windsor on Saturday doing some record hunting, I live 40 mins NE of there.
Never had an issue with anyone, I am sure there are some shitty parts though just given the geographical location being close to Detroit and all.
Windsor is the only Canadian place I've been to where the locals were rude if you went outside of the usual areas. Probably sick of partying Americans crashing the border.
How did this thread turn into working a job and interacting with customers - that's entirely different than experiences in public with randos. If you're on the job, you're 100% expected to smile and push the pricey retails to the customers. Let them act stupid or whatever. The OP is talking about public experiences with strangers in public domains - apples to oranges.
If your day is negatively impacted by a stranger being obnoxious, entitled, or a douche - you 100% have a right to think badly of them which seems to be one of the several debated topics in this thread. I don't think people are saying to start bashing in someone's face or talk down and correct them like you're up on a pedestal.
The fact is people are fucking idiots, tons of them all over the place. So many people feel they are superior to others, disrespectful, unapologetic, and/or disgusting. I personally ignore them and move along (hell even laugh/smile often), but it does bother me if they fuck my day up.
If you come out of Walmart and you see a cart up against your car door with a resulting car ding, are you going to think oh shucks somebody was probably having a bad day? Just one of countless examples...
I didn’t wanna bring up NA members...
In Canada it is so much different, nobody has a gun..It completely changes the psychology of all of these altercations (Not saying everywhere in the States this is a worry but more so than Canada no question).
If someone is acting like an asshole in public that person is going to get confronted 90% of the time and end up looking like a dipshit and maybe go home and think about their actions.
I am a huge fan of teaching through humiliation. Learned some of my hardest lessons in life that way. It’s affective when properly executed .