I figured it was based purely on the way both were constructed.
Like if you took X motor with X amount of horsepower and put equivelent auto trans and manual trans and see what fails first, manual would fail first.
And Im not sure consumer cars would be applicable, because like you said they are going to do the minimum to save costs.
What are you considering "equivalent"?
(And what assumptions are you making about the skill of the driver?)
The manual driver has more opportunity to damage their car, of their own accord, than the automatic driver does.
But driven properly, the manual is mechanically simpler, so SHOULD last longer, with less maintenance, when operating at a similar power level (if both were designed to satisfy a similar power specification).
It is just than "in the real world", as the power level of the car increases, the odds that the driver makes a mistake that puts additional wear on the transmission very likely increases.
Also, ammended my post above to include it, but a "dual clutch" used in European sports cars, is basically an automatically shifted "standard style" transmission (i.e. similar in construction to a manual).
I doubt that would have been their engineering choice if traditional automatics were inherently more robust.
Im really not big into American cars anymore, but for 60 grand thats a lot of car
Even though that's the MSRP, I have a feeling you won't be able to walk into a dealership with 60K and walk out with one of these. I know if somebody ends up with a Demon around here it's always way over MSRP (like those goofy Chrysler thingies were about a decade ago).
Curious what "questions" and "answers" you're referring to...folks are purely throwing out differing opinions with very little facts haha. And for my drag race question that you mentioned was already answered, you were the only one that responded on that
I counted at least 3 instances of "haven't you tried the auto?" And they were answered by several people, not just me.
To your point, this thread hasn't been that bad. I've just seen the discussion so many times that it gets old. For reasons I'll never understand, people who drive autos feel absolutely compelled to rationalize it to manual drivers.
I figured it was based purely on the way both were constructed.
Like if you took X motor with X amount of horsepower and put equivelent auto trans and manual trans and see what fails first, manual would fail first.
And Im not sure consumer cars would be applicable, because like you said they are going to do the minimum to save costs.
What are you considering "equivalent"?
(And what assumptions are you making about the skill of the driver?)
The manual driver has more opportunity to damage their car, of their own accord, than the automatic driver does.
But driven properly, the manual is mechanically simpler, so SHOULD last longer, with less maintenance, when operating at a similar power level (if both were designed to satisfy a similar power specification).
It is just than "in the real world", as the power level of the car increases, the odds that the driver makes a mistake that puts additional wear on the transmission very likely increases.
Also, ammended my post above to include it, but a "dual clutch" used in European sports cars, is basically an automatically shifted "standard style" transmission (i.e. similar in construction to a manual).
I doubt that would have been their engineering choice if traditional automatics were inherently more robust.
Im really not big into American cars anymore, but for 60 grand thats a lot of car
Even though that's the MSRP, I have a feeling you won't be able to walk into a dealership with 60K and walk out with one of these. I know if somebody ends up with a Demon around here it's always way over MSRP (like those goofy Chrysler thingies were about a decade ago).
Chevy is all-in with this though, should be mass produced. It will be tough for deals at first, but then I bet it levels off. One thing Chevy apparently does with the Vette is send them to dealers loaded with options, which makes business sense. I've heard that the base model for 60k will likely need special ordered, or may be a "unicorn" of sorts to find on a dealer lot.
I was also reading on a blog that the craze already generated is suggesting that they will sell a tremendous amount of these (like the abundant C6 generation), which in turn should produce a very attractive used market for them in a handful of years (one can hope).
Mechanically, that should mean they are rated for the same number of cycles at the same power level, so it shouldn't matter.
(and the manual will weigh less for the same power rating)
Real-world, as power level increases, you do less damage to your transmission by letting the computer do the shifting, though. (for accuracy/timing-sake)
Isn't a matter of the transmission being stronger or weaker, though.
Think of how much fun it will be when we finally get auto drive cars! Then I won't have to deal with those other two boring pedals or that clunky steering wheel, the computer will react way faster than anything I could do!
Think of how much fun it will be when we finally get auto drive cars! Then I won't have to deal with those other two boring pedals or that clunky steering wheel, the computer will react way faster than anything I could do!
That would kill off the car crash dash cam videos.
Harder to text while driving a manual. Let's fill the roads with manuals again!
It's fun to drive a stick. But it's also fun to play Donkey Kong. If I had to play a game of DK every morning on my way to work, there would eventually come long strings of days when I just don't feel like playing DK. Automatic is the way to go for daily drivers, and stick for funsies. So in my opinion, cars like this should be manuals, unless there are legitimately people buying these to drive to their jobs every day.
Think of how much fun it will be when we finally get auto drive cars! Then I won't have to deal with those other two boring pedals or that clunky steering wheel, the computer will react way faster than anything I could do!
They are quite prevalent around here, actually. Even starting to see driverless semi’s too (they actually have drivers though, just incase)
Think of how much fun it will be when we finally get auto drive cars! Then I won't have to deal with those other two boring pedals or that clunky steering wheel, the computer will react way faster than anything I could do!
They are quite prevalent around here, actually. Even starting to see driverless semi’s too (they actually have drivers though, just incase)
Thirty, forty years from now, this thread will be about the C15 Corvette, and everyone will be arguing over whether manual driving or self driving is better.
I own a 2013 Porsche Boxster, so I'd totally love to have this one with it's mid-engine or at least test it out! Love mid-engine cars so much (Porsche, Lotus etc.) Definitely a game changer as I never cared for any of the previous Corvettes besides the older ones like the 90s model and the 1969 sting ray.
Think of how much fun it will be when we finally get auto drive cars! Then I won't have to deal with those other two boring pedals or that clunky steering wheel, the computer will react way faster than anything I could do!
That would kill off the car crash dash cam videos.
HAHA this made me laugh. I totally know what you mean.
I have a 77 vette that is auto and am fine with that. I can drive a manual, but really don't get the hype. It's more a hassle than anything to me imo. I'm going to see how this thing sells and performs out the gate, but I'm definitely intrigued. I've been looking at getting a late 90s viper, but this might take it's place (yes, I know that vipers are manual only... that's not a deal breaker to me). I'm still not 100% sold on it's appearance though. Doesn't feel like a vette at all.
It's not quite the same without the flip up headlights though
I first saw a digital dashboard on an uncle's mid-80s Ford van when I was a kid a few years later at the time and thought it was the coolest, most futuristic thing ever! I can only imagine how it would've been to see this...it would've felt like being in a future 'Vette!
Of course with how the 2020's dashboard looks, it'd put even KITT and the Batmobile (1989) to shame! Then again it was KITT 200, not KITT 2020. It's a wonder they don't do a car's Siri function with the flashing red lights from KITT when it talks!
It's not quite the same without the flip up headlights though
Those would conk out after years of use and then you were stuck driving around with them flipped up all the time.
I had a 86 with the removable top. Aluminum heads. With those awful rims. It was a cluster fuck of (at the time) new tech tune port injection and computer tune... still I really liked that car.
Edit: picked it up around when I was 18’sh 1999-2000? Here comes the shame it was an auto.
I acyually learned to drive manual on a 48 Plymouth coupe special deluxe. Three on the tree and about 100 lbs. of pressure to push in the clutch. Flathead straight six... burned a cylinder and my dad sold it because I was to busy smoking weed to care to fix it. Still kicking myself.
Some of you talking about this car like it's commonplace to buy am i the only one who can't afford this shit?
I’m with you.
I'm hoping they sell a shit ton and the used market is welcoming in 3-5 years lol. But of course by then, they will have a further glorified version that would steal my attention and desire lol.
I'm probably the only one here who not only cannot afford any vehicle (luckily basics like the grocery store, library, grandma's house are within easy walking distance) but also cannot drive (mental/emotional issues; long story). So I guess it does me no good to dream about owning any sort of nice car...unless it's Hot Wheels!
I did have a Knight Rider big wheel when I was little though
I'm probably the only one here who not only cannot afford any vehicle (luckily basics like the grocery store, library, grandma's house are within easy walking distance) but also cannot drive (mental/emotional issues; long story). So I guess it does me no good to dream about owning any sort of nice car...unless it's Hot Wheels!
I did have a Knight Rider big wheel when I was little though
have a doctor or psychologist confirmed that you can't drive there is a possibility that your issues can be treated
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I figured it was based purely on the way both were constructed.
Like if you took X motor with X amount of horsepower and put equivelent auto trans and manual trans and see what fails first, manual would fail first.
And Im not sure consumer cars would be applicable, because like you said they are going to do the minimum to save costs.
What are you considering "equivalent"?
(And what assumptions are you making about the skill of the driver?)
The manual driver has more opportunity to damage their car, of their own accord, than the automatic driver does.
But driven properly, the manual is mechanically simpler, so SHOULD last longer, with less maintenance, when operating at a similar power level (if both were designed to satisfy a similar power specification).
It is just than "in the real world", as the power level of the car increases, the odds that the driver makes a mistake that puts additional wear on the transmission very likely increases.
Also, ammended my post above to include it, but a "dual clutch" used in European sports cars, is basically an automatically shifted "standard style" transmission (i.e. similar in construction to a manual).
I doubt that would have been their engineering choice if traditional automatics were inherently more robust.
This ins't directly at anyone in particular,
If thats directed at me,
Reading comprehension is important. (That one WAS directed towards you.)
I'm just giving you shit now. I don't really care.
Thats like saying “no offense, but...... *something offensive*”
Im really not big into American cars anymore, but for 60 grand thats a lot of car
Even though that's the MSRP, I have a feeling you won't be able to walk into a dealership with 60K and walk out with one of these. I know if somebody ends up with a Demon around here it's always way over MSRP (like those goofy Chrysler thingies were about a decade ago).
Curious what "questions" and "answers" you're referring to...folks are purely throwing out differing opinions with very little facts haha. And for my drag race question that you mentioned was already answered, you were the only one that responded on that
I counted at least 3 instances of "haven't you tried the auto?" And they were answered by several people, not just me.
To your point, this thread hasn't been that bad. I've just seen the discussion so many times that it gets old. For reasons I'll never understand, people who drive autos feel absolutely compelled to rationalize it to manual drivers.
I figured it was based purely on the way both were constructed.
Like if you took X motor with X amount of horsepower and put equivelent auto trans and manual trans and see what fails first, manual would fail first.
And Im not sure consumer cars would be applicable, because like you said they are going to do the minimum to save costs.
What are you considering "equivalent"?
(And what assumptions are you making about the skill of the driver?)
The manual driver has more opportunity to damage their car, of their own accord, than the automatic driver does.
But driven properly, the manual is mechanically simpler, so SHOULD last longer, with less maintenance, when operating at a similar power level (if both were designed to satisfy a similar power specification).
It is just than "in the real world", as the power level of the car increases, the odds that the driver makes a mistake that puts additional wear on the transmission very likely increases.
Also, ammended my post above to include it, but a "dual clutch" used in European sports cars, is basically an automatically shifted "standard style" transmission (i.e. similar in construction to a manual).
I doubt that would have been their engineering choice if traditional automatics were inherently more robust.
Equivalent= Rated for same amount of hp.
Which goofy Chrysler thing? (did those fuck-ugly trucks sell at a premium?)
Plymouth Prowlers were 20 years ago.
When they debuted they had a dealer-markup that practically doubled the price in my market.
Im really not big into American cars anymore, but for 60 grand thats a lot of car
Even though that's the MSRP, I have a feeling you won't be able to walk into a dealership with 60K and walk out with one of these. I know if somebody ends up with a Demon around here it's always way over MSRP (like those goofy Chrysler thingies were about a decade ago).
Chevy is all-in with this though, should be mass produced. It will be tough for deals at first, but then I bet it levels off. One thing Chevy apparently does with the Vette is send them to dealers loaded with options, which makes business sense. I've heard that the base model for 60k will likely need special ordered, or may be a "unicorn" of sorts to find on a dealer lot.
I was also reading on a blog that the craze already generated is suggesting that they will sell a tremendous amount of these (like the abundant C6 generation), which in turn should produce a very attractive used market for them in a handful of years (one can hope).
Equivalent= Rated for same amount of hp.
OK.
Mechanically, that should mean they are rated for the same number of cycles at the same power level, so it shouldn't matter.
(and the manual will weigh less for the same power rating)
Real-world, as power level increases, you do less damage to your transmission by letting the computer do the shifting, though. (for accuracy/timing-sake)
Isn't a matter of the transmission being stronger or weaker, though.
I counted at least 3 instances of "haven't you tried the auto?" And they were answered by several people, not just me.
To be fair, the manual only guys were first out of the gate with "auto only? It suxxors, hurr!" comments.
Think of how much fun it will be when we finally get auto drive cars! Then I won't have to deal with those other two boring pedals or that clunky steering wheel, the computer will react way faster than anything I could do!
That would kill off the car crash dash cam videos.
It's fun to drive a stick. But it's also fun to play Donkey Kong. If I had to play a game of DK every morning on my way to work, there would eventually come long strings of days when I just don't feel like playing DK. Automatic is the way to go for daily drivers, and stick for funsies. So in my opinion, cars like this should be manuals, unless there are legitimately people buying these to drive to their jobs every day.
Think of how much fun it will be when we finally get auto drive cars! Then I won't have to deal with those other two boring pedals or that clunky steering wheel, the computer will react way faster than anything I could do!
They are quite prevalent around here, actually. Even starting to see driverless semi’s too (they actually have drivers though, just incase)
Think of how much fun it will be when we finally get auto drive cars! Then I won't have to deal with those other two boring pedals or that clunky steering wheel, the computer will react way faster than anything I could do!
They are quite prevalent around here, actually. Even starting to see driverless semi’s too (they actually have drivers though, just incase)
Thirty, forty years from now, this thread will be about the C15 Corvette, and everyone will be arguing over whether manual driving or self driving is better.
Think of how much fun it will be when we finally get auto drive cars! Then I won't have to deal with those other two boring pedals or that clunky steering wheel, the computer will react way faster than anything I could do!
That would kill off the car crash dash cam videos.
HAHA this made me laugh. I totally know what you mean.
Some of you talking about this car like it's commonplace to buy am i the only one who can't afford this shit?
I’m with you.
I first saw a digital dashboard on an uncle's mid-80s Ford van when I was a kid a few years later at the time and thought it was the coolest, most futuristic thing ever! I can only imagine how it would've been to see this...it would've felt like being in a future 'Vette!
Of course with how the 2020's dashboard looks, it'd put even KITT and the Batmobile (1989) to shame! Then again it was KITT 200, not KITT 2020. It's a wonder they don't do a car's Siri function with the flashing red lights from KITT when it talks!
It's not quite the same without the flip up headlights though
Those would conk out after years of use and then you were stuck driving around with them flipped up all the time.
It's not quite the same without the flip up headlights though
Those would conk out after years of use and then you were stuck driving around with them flipped up all the time.
I had a 86 with the removable top. Aluminum heads. With those awful rims. It was a cluster fuck of (at the time) new tech tune port injection and computer tune... still I really liked that car.
Edit: picked it up around when I was 18’sh 1999-2000? Here comes the shame it was an auto.
I acyually learned to drive manual on a 48 Plymouth coupe special deluxe. Three on the tree and about 100 lbs. of pressure to push in the clutch. Flathead straight six... burned a cylinder and my dad sold it because I was to busy smoking weed to care to fix it. Still kicking myself.
Some of you talking about this car like it's commonplace to buy am i the only one who can't afford this shit?
I’m with you.
I'm hoping they sell a shit ton and the used market is welcoming in 3-5 years lol. But of course by then, they will have a further glorified version that would steal my attention and desire lol.
I did have a Knight Rider big wheel when I was little though
I'm probably the only one here who not only cannot afford any vehicle (luckily basics like the grocery store, library, grandma's house are within easy walking distance) but also cannot drive (mental/emotional issues; long story). So I guess it does me no good to dream about owning any sort of nice car...unless it's Hot Wheels!
I did have a Knight Rider big wheel when I was little though
have a doctor or psychologist confirmed that you can't drive there is a possibility that your issues can be treated
Which goofy Chrysler thing? (did those fuck-ugly trucks sell at a premium?)
Plymouth Prowlers were 20 years ago.
When they debuted they had a dealer-markup that practically doubled the price in my market.
Yep, that thing!