Cutting Down on B/S/T Drivel & Threadshitting
Kind of a purist: I feel like NA users should not be posting in a Buy/Sell/Trade thread unless they're asking the OP a question about their item, posting to say they've sent a private message, or posting to say they've paid for the item/sold an item to the OP/traded with the OP. I can look at our really fantastic online commerce subforum and pull up any thread at random, and inside of it there are conversations about item rarity, arguments about pricing, jokes flying around that most people don't even understand, and worst of all...threadshitting.
Then there are the replies along the lines of "I only need the box LOL". I mean, really, do you need to tell the world that? PM the guy selling the item and ask him to sell it to you piecemeal and move on. Additionally, I feel it's a nice gesture for mods to say "nice price on the X I hope it sells" but there are some users who will come along and take that as a green light to post a reply like "nice looking manual but the crease in the corner ruins it for me". Vaguely-masked threadshitting can be stopped altogether by going back to my first paragraph and adopting a "don't post if you're not directly working with the OP on a sale, purchase, or trade." Mods are obviously the exception, I feel like it would be a non-issue for them to promote a bargain-priced item with friendly reply.
This approach is obviously going to require some heavy moderation and some community awareness, but I think it'll help give threads their fair time on the 1st page as well as cut down on passive-aggressive threadshitting disguised as praise, which I see in a lot of threads. It probably has been a problem long before I joined and may never really get resolved, but I thought I'd toss out some suggestions.
Have a nice day everyone.
Then there are the replies along the lines of "I only need the box LOL". I mean, really, do you need to tell the world that? PM the guy selling the item and ask him to sell it to you piecemeal and move on. Additionally, I feel it's a nice gesture for mods to say "nice price on the X I hope it sells" but there are some users who will come along and take that as a green light to post a reply like "nice looking manual but the crease in the corner ruins it for me". Vaguely-masked threadshitting can be stopped altogether by going back to my first paragraph and adopting a "don't post if you're not directly working with the OP on a sale, purchase, or trade." Mods are obviously the exception, I feel like it would be a non-issue for them to promote a bargain-priced item with friendly reply.
This approach is obviously going to require some heavy moderation and some community awareness, but I think it'll help give threads their fair time on the 1st page as well as cut down on passive-aggressive threadshitting disguised as praise, which I see in a lot of threads. It probably has been a problem long before I joined and may never really get resolved, but I thought I'd toss out some suggestions.
Have a nice day everyone.
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http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&threadid=56432
Let us sticky it and never make mention of it again. (jk)
You have some valid points and in a perfect world they would work out just fine. We don't live in a perfect world so we all need to be reminded once in a while about doing these things, including me. You have to admit this train wreck was some hilarious shit though...
http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=...
i still cant believe what was said, like if people didnt believe you before....
You have some valid points and in a perfect world they would work out just fine. We don't live in a perfect world so we all need to be reminded once in a while about doing these things, including me. You have to admit this train wreck was some hilarious shit though...
http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=6&thr...
i still cant believe what was said, like if people didnt believe you before....
Hey quit shitting on this thread, you can only post positive comments and ideas about how to improve the community!!!
Thread crapping in the sense of arguing prices is something totally different and will not be tolerated. If something is priced too high it just won't sell. If something is priced to low the opp will find his inbox full. Unless it is a price check thread the seller is responsible for pricing his item.
From a purist perspective you have some good points.
That said, I don't think this is really an issue unless people are unable to use the B/S/T area for those purposes. I've never seen (although I've only been here a while) a legitimate thread in that section get clogged down and unable to hook the OP up with whatever they were trying to do.
Plus, I think that kind of additional info/discussion can actually improve a community like this, as long as it doesn't get to the point that it prevents people from buying/selling/trading.
I can see how it would bother individuals (maybe you, maybe not?). Maybe people making threads in B/S/T can ask people not to clog up their threads with random stuff. That would be a fair request, especially for people with lots to buy or sell who don't want everything getting clogged up. Then if it gets to be a hassle in that individual's thread they can contact a mod as necessary.
Edit: Added last sentence to last paragraph.
I understand what you are saying, but we are not trying to OVER moderate the forums. Cleaning up sales threads that have lots of posts is a good idea, but very time consuming. Also while deleting "pm sent" may be helpful any relevant post is worth keeping to look back at.
Thread crapping in the sense of arguing prices is something totally different and will not be tolerated. If something is priced too high it just won't sell. If something is priced to low the opp will find his inbox full. Unless it is a price check thread the seller is responsible for pricing his item.
I realize cleanup would be too much work for the mods. I was imagining a situation where thread authors could clean up their own threads. Maybe instead of outright deleting posts, the OP could flag posts as obsolete/outdated and those posts would be collapsed by default when someone opens the thread. That way no information is lost, but it's not in the way when trying to see what's new.
You have some valid points and in a perfect world they would work out just fine. We don't live in a perfect world so we all need to be reminded once in a while about doing these things, including me. You have to admit this train wreck was some hilarious shit though...
http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=...
Did he get banned this time around? I hope not, I enjoy him coming around every now and then making himself look like a nut sack.
I wish it was more allowed to post and just point out stuff that's kinda high prices, mainly with new guys trying to get eBay prices. Although some consider that shitting, it's more of a reality check IMO.
Anyhow like I said earlier if it is priced too high it won't sell. People can ask whatever they want for there items. It is up to the buyer and seller to come to an agreement
I wish it was more allowed to post and just point out stuff that's kinda high prices, mainly with new guys trying to get eBay prices. Although some consider that shitting, it's more of a reality check IMO.
Why would anyone feel the need to do this? The issue is resolved by posting absolutely nothing in the OP's thread. They'll get the hint that their price is too high (or there is no interest) and the thread dies. Simple.
Calling someone out on a price that you don't agree with can spark mob-mentality gang-ups, and really, you might feel good about it but will that person want to come back here? Moral superiority at the expense of the sense of community, kind of an uneven trade if you ask me.
Easy enough to let the guy realize he isn't going to sell it for a high price, and if he does, then kudos to him. This isn't Price Guide Thunderdome: diverge from the current market price and pay with your life!
edit: there != there
I understand what you are saying, but we are not trying to OVER moderate the forums. Cleaning up sales threads that have lots of posts is a good idea, but very time consuming. Also while deleting "pm sent" may be helpful any relevant post is worth keeping to look back at.
I can imagine that the fodder is a headache to clean up, even with a team of people up at all hours. Definitely something I can appreciate. And keeping relevent posts is good, but there should be a line. If a user replies "hey i have that game but it's the gold version ftw" well, I don't think anyone can argue it's not related to the OP. But does it add to the discussion? Nope. It may as well not even exist.
In any case, it's not a huge problem but there are variants of that quote that pop up daily in B/S/T. It would be nice to stem that kind of input at the user level. Unfortunately, chances are good the percentage of new users that read the FAQ are in the single digits.
Honestly I find the "pm sent" replies to be excessive. I can understand a friendly bump if the thread had dropped down a ways, but multiple "pm sent" replies in a row in a new thread seem unnecessary to me. They get especially bad when they OP thinks they need to post "pm replied" to them. Great, no one else cares.
I wouldn't shed a tear if I never saw another "PM sent" again. There's a reason that the message indicator lights up in RED when someone's trying to get in touch with you.
It was just a suggestion. And yeah I don't do buying/selling online, but doesn't everyone's opinions matter?
Certainly! Calling folks out on high prices is just not something I would do, and it appears to be frowned upon by the mod squad.
You have some valid points and in a perfect world they would work out just fine. We don't live in a perfect world so we all need to be reminded once in a while about doing these things, including me. You have to admit this train wreck was some hilarious shit though...
http://www.nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=...
Best thread ever! I love watching people completely unravel.
I am a community man. I like peace and I want people to be able to work out there own problems. Talk it out like men, instead of crying for a mod at the slightest whiff of a problem. They are here to MODERATE, not play mommy and teach her kids how to behave.
One of the reasons I have slowed down on the forums is the massive influx of sheer assholes. Far too many people come here and talk shit and act like they know everything. I am an old collector that likes to take it easy, and help a fellow collector out. I send random stuff that will help somebody's collection, because it makes me happy not because I expect anything back. Now the new asshats are trying nickle and dime people, backstab, and just give game collectors a bad name. What ever happened to community??? I think there are far too many resellers here that don't really collect. Now I understand funding a collection by selling items, and i have no problem with people that own stores that collect. Why you ask?? Because they are collectors. The ones that have no interest in collecting and are just here to piss people off and make a buck can all F-off in my book.
I am a community man. I like peace and I want people to be able to work out there own problems. Talk it out like men, instead of crying for a mod at the slightest whiff of a problem. They are here to MODERATE, not play mommy and teach her kids how to behave.
AMEN BROTHER!
I too have noticed more and more old timers have started to disappear from the forums...
doesn't everyone's opinions matter?
No. Everyone's opinions are dumb and only opinions that jive with the correct (read: my) opinion may be posted.
That is to say, I basically agree with Ghaleon is getting at. A lot of junk gets posted here and there. But I don't know if more moderation is the way to go about it. That said, I dunno what is the way to go about it!
I don't really like the concept of users voting posts up or down based on content, since people are babies and that leads to a lot of babies crying. But I dunno, maybe something like that? Maybe if you make a BST thread you are allowed to flag posts as spam if you want, and they're hidden?
Honestly I find the "pm sent" replies to be excessive. I can understand a friendly bump if the thread had dropped down a ways, but multiple "pm sent" replies in a row in a new thread seem unnecessary to me. They get especially bad when they OP thinks they need to post "pm replied" to them. Great, no one else cares.
I wouldn't shed a tear if I never saw another "PM sent" again. There's a reason that the message indicator lights up in RED when someone's trying to get in touch with you.
PM SENT!
One of the reasons I have slowed down on the forums is the massive influx of sheer assholes. Far too many people come here and talk shit and act like they know everything. I am an old collector that likes to take it easy, and help a fellow collector out. I send random stuff that will help somebody's collection, because it makes me happy not because I expect anything back. Now the new asshats are trying nickle and dime people, backstab, and just give game collectors a bad name. What ever happened to community??? I think there are far too many resellers here that don't really collect. Now I understand funding a collection by selling items, and i have no problem with people that own stores that collect. Why you ask?? Because they are collectors. The ones that have no interest in collecting and are just here to piss people off and make a buck can all F-off in my book.
I am a community man. I like peace and I want people to be able to work out there own problems. Talk it out like men, instead of crying for a mod at the slightest whiff of a problem. They are here to MODERATE, not play mommy and teach her kids how to behave.
AMEN BROTHER!
I too have noticed more and more old timers have started to disappear from the forums...
It sucks because these "old timers" are the mods lol
There are some new members that are cool for sure, but it seems like the percentage is getting lower every month.